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2013-03-01 02:58:55 PM  

GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.


A breach of contract may be minor, material, or fundamental.  A fundamental breach relieves the aggrieved party of obligation to fulfill his end of the contract.

The contract doesn't have to spell out specific consequences for every conceivable breach.  Each case is examined on its own merits.

The SCOTUS has drawn a line:  such clauses can be applied only to employees whose jobs involve conveying the organization's religious values to constituents.
 
2013-03-01 03:07:32 PM  

GAT_00: ArkAngel: They didn't fire her for being pregnant.

Oh please.  They'll lie, but come on.  The school has no right, NONE, to dictate the private lives of their employees.  No company does.


Sorry, GAT, but when your private life publicly reflects upon your employer, it becomes the employer's business. Lots of Facebook and Twitter examples of that.  When it became obvious that this woman was pregnant and unwed, the school's reputation was tainted by association with her.  Its ability to inculcate its religious values was damaged by perceived hypocrisy.

Sucks that men don't show premarital sexual activity.  Sucks that men have no say in abortion decisions.  That's just how life is.
 
2013-03-01 03:34:29 PM  

phyrkrakr: puppetmaster745: GAT_00: ArkAngel: They didn't fire her for being pregnant.

Oh please.  They'll lie, but come on.  The school has no right, NONE, to dictate the private lives of their employees.  No company does.

So all those drug tests were illegal? I call dibs on Gloria when she's done with this case.

Well, if they only drug tested the women, then yes, they'd be illegal.  The issue isn't so much the terms of the contract, it's the selective enforcement that shows gender discrimination.

But yeah, the legal niceties in employment law are all over the place on stuff like this.  If you want to win an employment law case, you have to be able to prove that you were done wrong because of a) your membership in a protected class (and everybody can be in a protected class)/participation in a protected activity or b) some sort of whistleblower activity.

Want it to be different?  Join a union.  That's what you do when the bosses are screwing over the labor.  It's somewhat astonishing to me that people no longer understand that the main function of a union is to stop b.s. like this from happening.


I apologize if this has been covered in-depth in the thread, I don't have time to read the whole thing right now. I know it looks bad that her fiancee was offered her job, but technically he didn't violate the school's moral code WHILE he was employed by the school. Also, statistically speaking, isn't there a 20% chance he's not the father anyway?

If an unmarried male employee had a sex tape surface, I can almost guarantee he'd get the same treatment? Unfortunately, the women noted in the article carried irrefutable evidence of their activity. Why should a religious organization be forced to employ individuals who, in the view of the school, are a bad example to the students?
 
2013-03-01 03:39:15 PM  
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2013-03-01 03:46:59 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: ArkAngel: They didn't fire her for being pregnant.

Oh please.  They'll lie, but come on.  The school has no right, NONE, to dictate the private lives of their employees.  No company does.

Sorry, GAT, but when your private life publicly reflects upon your employer, it becomes the employer's business. Lots of Facebook and Twitter examples of that.  When it became obvious that this woman was pregnant and unwed, the school's reputation was tainted by association with her.  Its ability to inculcate its religious values was damaged by perceived hypocrisy.

Sucks that men don't show premarital sexual activity.  Sucks that men have no say in abortion decisions.  That's just how life is.


Huh, huh huh....He said "taint-ed"
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/this thread needs a little levity
 
2013-03-01 03:52:50 PM  

msticaries79: Nutsac_Jim: Englebert Slaptyback: martissimo

Reading the article it sounds like the case law on this is all over the place, but if she signed a contract that said she had to abstain from pre-marital sex and that's how they word the reason for her firing then she's boned


OMG immaculate conception!

Then the church folk will be forced to prove that such a thing is impossible.

You are thinking of the virgin birth.   The immaculate conception is what they came out with because they didnt want to say Jesus was born out of a dirty woman.  Im not really sure how come the Big Man could make *poof* Mary immaculately conceived, but not Jesus *poof*.

actually it's to do with Mary being born without origianl sin, but concieved in the "normal" way of things.


Right.. and Why could not Jesus have just been "poof" born without original sin, then?


Its kind of like the muslims.. they say Jesus wasnt dead, he was swapped with judas.  If you ask what happened to Jesus then, it is because he was taken my god so he wouldnt get killed.

Well, why not just take Jesus before he gets killed then?   That would be a good trick making someone disappear at the trial with all those witnesses.
 
2013-03-01 03:55:12 PM  

c4rr0tc4k3: Just going to throw this in here because most of you seem very retarded.


She worked in a religious institution. What she did there is irrelevant and she will be labeled as a minister.

Federal law says she can be fired with no regard to federal discrimination laws.


Its that easy really. Case closed. Didnt even need a contract.

I am a paralegal


You're a poor paralegal and would make a shiatty lawyer.  See Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
 
2013-03-01 04:11:48 PM  

ZeroCorpse: To all the "you signed a contract" folks:

You can't legally enforce a contract if the terms of the contract are illegal or unconstitutional. For example, a business cannot make a contract that says they can fire you if they find out you have Black ancestors. Even if you signed such a contract, it's not going to stand up to a legal challenge.

In this case, the terms of the contract would seem to be unconstitutional. It won't stand up in court. Eventually, they will determine that the contract itself is void because the terms of the contract violate higher laws.


5monkeys: I am a Christian. I am forgiving, loving, and try my best to be non-member judgemental. I would say I am non-judgemental, but who doesn't make judgements on others. Say child molesters. These kinds of actions are not Christian. They are made by aholes who misunderstand the faith they claim to live by. What they did to this woman is horrible.

I'm afraid you have it backwards. You are extraordinary and the exception-- not the rule-- when it comes to your religion. The vast majority of Christians are the "aholes who misunderstand the faith" you described. So that leads me to a question:

Why would you continue to associate with an organization in which people like you are not only rare, but considered outcasts by the overwhelming majority who consider your stance to be deviant?

Let me put it this way:  If I worked for a company whose stated goal was to give food to the starving homeless, that would be a good thing. If I found out that what they really do, in practice, is only give food to white people, I'd leave. I'd quit. I wouldn't stand around saying "Look, I know that what  all my coworkers and bosses are doing is immoral and awful, but that's just because they're assholes. And even though I can't change their minds, and they'll punish me severely if they see me feeding non-White homeless people, I choose to stay with them because what they advertise on their public relations materials is what I believe in, whether or not the organization actually honors it."

You said you're a Christian. You said you're a good person. You said other Christians are bad people. You said they were wrong. But you're still a Christian. That, to me, sounds like someone who is trying to apologize for their association with a group of assholes.

At what point do you move on and recognize that Christianity isn't what  you think it is, because decent people like you are in the minority?

I propose that you're not a Christian. You only think you're a Christian. What you are is a person who believes in Christ, possibly attends church, puts up with assholes who make you look bad, and then spends the rest of your time apologizing for their actions while you try to do good, yourself. You ceased being Christian when you realized that you were surrounded by selfish assholes. You're something else, now. You only maintain that title-- "Christian"-- out of some misguided sense of loyalty to the intentions of the religion, rather than loyalty to the  actions of the religion.

That's my take on it, anyway. Good luck to you. Keep being nice. It's your only real shield when you enter the snake pit every Sunday.


All Christians are not bad people. All Christian churches don't act this way. I am Methodist. We are the relaxed and groovy Christians. When I signed up to be a member of my church I was given the outline of our beliefs and how we express them. We don't even have a hard line opinion on abortion. As a Methodist you are there to help others. That's what I signed up for. I am not apologizing for being in a group with bad people, I am defending that just because someone says they are Christianand behaves badly doesn't mean the rest of us agree or would ever do the same. I do not think I am the minority. If you came to my church you would see that there are good people in churches.(not all churches) you just don't hear about us because we don't make the news for being stupid.
 
2013-03-01 04:47:00 PM  
Those Jesus Freaks, well, they're friendly but
The shiat they believe has got their minds all shut
An' they don't even care when the church takes a cut
Ain't it bleak when you got so much nothin'

So whaddya do? Hey!
Eat that pork, eat that ham
Laugh till ya choke on Billy Graham
Moses, Aaron 'n Abraham
They're all a waste of time
'N it's your ass that's on the line
It's your ass that's on the line
 
2013-03-01 06:05:37 PM  
The SCOTUS has ruled that religious employers can do this only to employees who are hired to perform "ministerial duties," that is, to promulgate the employer's religious values by example.

So the employer has to pay employees to keep their knees together. I wonder what that costs.
 
2013-03-01 06:27:45 PM  

Southern100: mafiageek1980: /needs more coffee

I'm on my 2nd pot of black ambrosia already. :)


I like the cut of your jib!
 
2013-03-01 09:22:07 PM  

Gifted Many Few: ciberido: Wow, I had really expected you to try denying being a misogynist, not double-down on the misogyny

Whoa there. I am by no means a misogynist. I love women. But let's be realistic here. They use their looks to get what they want. And I have no problem with that. But they need to own up to the fact of what they are doing. Call a slut a slut.


Triple down and deny at the same time?
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2013-03-01 09:22:59 PM  

mekki: ciberido: mekki: Ed Grubermann: Well, the woman-hating trolls are out in force, I see.

Women haters? No.

Haters of idiots who knew EXACTLY what type of place they were working for when they signed a contract stating every minute detail of what they do and don't allow in their moral code. Yes.

You certainly come across as extremely hateful, either way.  Trying to argue about exactly what flavor of hateful bigot you are seems rather pointless.

Wow, you need decaf.


More to the point, I need to stop reading Fark thread after Fark thread full of people like you.  It's getting depressing.  And stressful.
 
2013-03-01 10:27:46 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: c4rr0tc4k3: Just going to throw this in here because most of you seem very retarded.


She worked in a religious institution. What she did there is irrelevant and she will be labeled as a minister.

Federal law says she can be fired with no regard to federal discrimination laws.


Its that easy really. Case closed. Didnt even need a contract.

I am a paralegal

You're a poor paralegal and would make a shiatty lawyer.  See Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission


So you cant read? How dumb are you? Its pretty easy to understand. Start reading after "breathtaking implications". I dont know why you read one article and thought you knew more then me. Fool, get a clue.
 
2013-03-01 10:45:40 PM  
I have some pretty straight forward feelings about stories like this...It is a private religious school, and she agreed to the morality contract when she accepted the position.

BUT...

When the school offered a position to her not-then-husband, they farked up.
 
2013-03-01 11:18:19 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: New Testament, not so much.


If the Old Testament wasn't supposed to apply to Christians, why did the Christian editors who compiled the Bible include it?
 
2013-03-02 10:05:41 AM  
Lesson Learned: If only they had stuck to anal sex, everything would have been cool.

Thank you, San Diego Christian College. Keep up the Good Work.
 
2013-03-02 03:15:01 PM  

mekki: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: You seek out a job at a religious organization, you sign a employment contract, you play by their rules even if you don't like them.

It may suck, but she knew what she was getting into when she took the job.

Yep. Did she think that the contract she signed was just a gag? If someone made me sign a contract to work at a place, you better believe I would follow it. And if I thought the contract was foolish, I would either refuse the job or quit. It's not like they were holding a gun to her head and demanding that she work for them.


It seems the bigger issue here is that the organization itself isn't following its own rules- her fiance was offered a job after she was fired. So... they fired the woman for premarital sex, but then offered a job to someone else that they know to have engaged in it?
 
2013-03-02 10:37:19 PM  

wambu: Lesson Learned: If only they had stuck to anal sex, everything would have been cool.

Thank you, San Diego Christian College. Keep up the Good Work.


most women tell you NO to anal sex. so you TECHNICALLY have to rape them in order to perform THIS act.. even though most women ENJOY it GREATLY
 
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