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2013-03-01 12:03:59 PM  
To all the "you signed a contract" folks:

You can't legally enforce a contract if the terms of the contract are illegal or unconstitutional. For example, a business cannot make a contract that says they can fire you if they find out you have Black ancestors. Even if you signed such a contract, it's not going to stand up to a legal challenge.

In this case, the terms of the contract would seem to be unconstitutional. It won't stand up in court. Eventually, they will determine that the contract itself is void because the terms of the contract violate higher laws.


5monkeys: I am a Christian. I am forgiving, loving, and try my best to be non-member judgemental. I would say I am non-judgemental, but who doesn't make judgements on others. Say child molesters. These kinds of actions are not Christian. They are made by aholes who misunderstand the faith they claim to live by. What they did to this woman is horrible.


I'm afraid you have it backwards. You are extraordinary and the exception-- not the rule-- when it comes to your religion. The vast majority of Christians are the "aholes who misunderstand the faith" you described. So that leads me to a question:

Why would you continue to associate with an organization in which people like you are not only rare, but considered outcasts by the overwhelming majority who consider your stance to be deviant?

Let me put it this way:  If I worked for a company whose stated goal was to give food to the starving homeless, that would be a good thing. If I found out that what they really do, in practice, is only give food to white people, I'd leave. I'd quit. I wouldn't stand around saying "Look, I know that what  all my coworkers and bosses are doing is immoral and awful, but that's just because they're assholes. And even though I can't change their minds, and they'll punish me severely if they see me feeding non-White homeless people, I choose to stay with them because what they advertise on their public relations materials is what I believe in, whether or not the organization actually honors it."

You said you're a Christian. You said you're a good person. You said other Christians are bad people. You said they were wrong. But you're still a Christian. That, to me, sounds like someone who is trying to apologize for their association with a group of assholes.

At what point do you move on and recognize that Christianity isn't what  you think it is, because decent people like you are in the minority?

I propose that you're not a Christian. You only think you're a Christian. What you are is a person who believes in Christ, possibly attends church, puts up with assholes who make you look bad, and then spends the rest of your time apologizing for their actions while you try to do good, yourself. You ceased being Christian when you realized that you were surrounded by selfish assholes. You're something else, now. You only maintain that title-- "Christian"-- out of some misguided sense of loyalty to the intentions of the religion, rather than loyalty to the  actions of the religion.

That's my take on it, anyway. Good luck to you. Keep being nice. It's your only real shield when you enter the snake pit every Sunday.
 
2013-03-01 12:07:04 PM  

NathanAllen: Easy, Pregnancy Act of 1978 makes it illegal to fire a woman because she becomes pregnant. Its considered a disability, which means the only is question is how much will they pay to make her go away.


Exactly. Like I said: You cannot enforce a contract that contains unconstitutional or illegal clauses. End of story. They're boned.

/Much like she was, out of wedlock.
 
2013-03-01 12:08:43 PM  

Molavian: FFS, is it that hard to not get pregnant?


I don't know... having children is a gift, even unplanned children can change you in ways you'd never thought of as possible.  It's the last step in becoming a true adult.
 
2013-03-01 12:12:31 PM  

Weaver95: Also insulting, James said, was that after firing her, the school offered a job to her then-fiancé - they are now married - even though it was known that he, too, engaged in premarital sex. He did not accept the job, she said

see, that's where I've got a problem.  look, if you want to fire a woman for having pre-marital sex...ok, that's fine.  if that's what your morality says you can do then go ahead and kick the pregnant woman out into the world with no money.  But if pre-marital sex is bad then its bad for the guy as well.  it takes two to tango guys, she ain't getting pregnant all on her own, she had help.  you wanna condemn her actions as immoral then you MUST condemn the guy who got her pregnant.

I think that school isn't as moral as they believe.  in fact, I think their morality is deeply flawed.


All of this.
 
2013-03-01 12:13:43 PM  

Two16: Molavian: FFS, is it that hard to not get pregnant?

I don't know... having children is a gift, even unplanned children can change you in ways you'd never thought of as possible.  It's the last step in becoming a true adult.


Oh blow it out your ass.
 
2013-03-01 12:13:49 PM  
Just going to throw this in here because most of you seem very retarded.


She worked in a religious institution. What she did there is irrelevant and she will be labeled as a minister.

Federal law says she can be fired with no regard to federal discrimination laws.


Its that easy really. Case closed. Didnt even need a contract.

I am a paralegal
 
2013-03-01 12:14:43 PM  

ArkAngel: hey didn't fire her for being pregnant


"I didn't have sex out of wedlock,  this baby is the result of IVF"
 
2013-03-01 12:15:17 PM  
Rahter then waste your time learning the law, you can also look at any case that mimics this one and check the outcome, as it will be the same as this case.
 
2013-03-01 12:16:26 PM  

c4rr0tc4k3: Just going to throw this in here because most of you seem very retarded.


She worked in a religious institution. What she did there is irrelevant and she will be labeled as a minister.

Federal law says she can be fired with no regard to federal discrimination laws.


Its that easy really. Case closed. Didnt even need a contract.

I am a paralegal


It's what God would have wanted.
 
2013-03-01 12:16:42 PM  

ZeroCorpse: You can't legally enforce a contract if the terms of the contract are illegal or unconstitutional.


Race is a protected class. Someone having sex is not a protected class.

Adultery, for instance, can STILL get you kicked out of the military.

Depending on the state, you can be fired just because you dyed your hair purple or because your boss doesn't like your new mustache.  Just because you say it's illegal or unconstitutional doesn't make it so.  That's what overpaid lawyers are for.
 
2013-03-01 12:30:58 PM  

c4rr0tc4k3: Just going to throw this in here because most of you seem very retarded.


She worked in a religious institution. What she did there is irrelevant and she will be labeled as a minister.

Federal law says she can be fired with no regard to federal discrimination laws.


Its that easy really. Case closed. Didnt even need a contract.

I am a paralegal


You think you know more just because you're in a wheelchair?!
 
2013-03-01 12:31:01 PM  
I didn't read the whole thread so these have probably been brought up already:
1. by offering the guy job the 'school' has undermined their own defense
2. no provisions in the conduct code for consequences of violating it, so firing her because of violating it is problematic.  Is Cal an at-will employment state where the employer can fire anybody at any time (unless there's a contract involved)?
3. I would have signed my w-4 and other documents normally, but signed the conduct code thing with a completely not-my-own signature.  Then, when they tried to bust me I would point out it's not my signature and they must have forged it just to fire me.  CALL THE COPS, CALL THE LAWYERS!  PROVE I SIGNED IT, ASSHOLES!
 
2013-03-01 12:33:03 PM  

2CountyFairs: thorthor: log_jammin: its employees sign its "community covenant,"

sounds like socialism to me.

Sounds like religious fanaticism to me.

Real question: Why does the religious Christian right hate Socialism so much? Both use a form of wealth sharing. Both help the helpless. Both have people that like to take advantage of the system. Both have "laws" that can be seen to limit your freedoms. It seems like both are actually kind of similar in these regards.


Maybe it has to do with the difference between give and take.
 
2013-03-01 12:36:18 PM  
To all the "you signed a contract" folks:

You can't legally enforce a contract if the terms of the contract are illegal or unconstitutional. For example, a business cannot make a contract that says they can fire you if they find out you have Black ancestors. Even if you signed such a contract, it's not going to stand up to a legal challenge.


Blah blah blah. Another Fark lawyer. You can get fired for almost anything. And barring your boss saying you're fired because he hates blacks/gays/women, most people don't have the time or money to wage a drawn out lawsuit.
 
2013-03-01 12:36:38 PM  

ksdanj: She should have gotten an abortion. Problem solved.

Also, Gloria Allred is her attorney. This could be epic.


Done in three.
 
2013-03-01 12:44:49 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Real question: Why does the religious Christian right hate Socialism so much? Both use a form of wealth sharing. Both help the helpless. Both have people that like to take advantage of the system. Both have "laws" that can be seen to limit your freedoms. It seems like both are actually kind of similar in these regards.

Maybe it has to do with the difference between give and take.


Where does rendering unto Caesar figure into it?
And Jesus said unto them, Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's if you agree with them, and don't if you disagree but use that money to lobby legislators to get rid of outrageous tax laws that benefit the meek and poor, those bastard takers, and unto God the things that are God's. And they marvelled greatly at him.

Is that how that passage goes?
 
2013-03-01 12:49:48 PM  
"I signed the contract and agreed to those terms of employment, but rules are for everyone else!"
 
2013-03-01 12:52:52 PM  

vabeard: "I signed the contract and agreed to those terms of employment, but rules are for everyone else!"


I agree, BUT, the guy who knocked her up was responsible TOO. Why the hell isn't he fired as well? He violated it too ya know!
 
2013-03-01 12:56:09 PM  

mafiageek1980: the guy who knocked her up was responsible TOO. Why the hell isn't he fired as well?


I'm no lawyer but I think that it may be due, at least in part, to the fact that he wasn't employed there.
 
2013-03-01 12:57:25 PM  

Aquapope: Nutsac_Jim: Real question: Why does the religious Christian right hate Socialism so much? Both use a form of wealth sharing. Both help the helpless. Both have people that like to take advantage of the system. Both have "laws" that can be seen to limit your freedoms. It seems like both are actually kind of similar in these regards.

Maybe it has to do with the difference between give and take.

Where does rendering unto Caesar figure into it?
And Jesus said unto them, Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's if you agree with them, and don't if you disagree but use that money to lobby legislators to get rid of outrageous tax laws that benefit the meek and poor, those bastard takers, and unto God the things that are God's. And they marvelled greatly at him.
Is that how that passage goes?


I sounds better in the original latin..
 
2013-03-01 01:02:58 PM  

Gifted Many Few: ciberido: No, no, no, of course not.  Heavens, no.  I'm sure that  Gifted Many Few only thinks it's "slutting it up" when it's a woman.

Technically only women can slut it up. They slap on makeup and whore uniforms to go out and get a mate? No, they do it to get laid. That is the only reason for all those beauty products. So they can lure men in and get laid. That is why married women tend to let themselves go. They don't need to pretend anymore. But then if they want to go whore on the town, they have to slut it up. It's common sense.



Wow, I had really expected you to try denying being a misogynist, not double-down on the misogyny.  But, ah, thanks for your honesty, I guess.
 
2013-03-01 01:03:45 PM  

Thallone1: [icons.iconarchive.com image 256x256]
/just going to leave this here...


Why?
 
2013-03-01 01:04:18 PM  

mafiageek1980: vabeard: "I signed the contract and agreed to those terms of employment, but rules are for everyone else!"

I agree, BUT, the guy who knocked her up was responsible TOO. Why the hell isn't he fired as well?


He did not work there, would be my guess.
 
2013-03-01 01:06:24 PM  

ArkAngel: GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.

In what way? They didn't fire her for being pregnant. The pregnancy simply revealed the breach in the same way a sex tape would


That is quite the assumption.  I then assume that lesbians who have children must be having sex with a penis also?  I bet I could guess your political affiliation.
 
2013-03-01 01:09:14 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: mafiageek1980: the guy who knocked her up was responsible TOO. Why the hell isn't he fired as well?

I'm no lawyer but I think that it may be due, at least in part, to the fact that he wasn't employed there.


Oh my bad.

/needs more coffee
 
2013-03-01 01:10:50 PM  

mafiageek1980: /needs more coffee


I'm on my 2nd pot of black ambrosia already. :)
 
2013-03-01 01:15:46 PM  
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2013-03-01 01:23:12 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: dustygrimp: On the one hand, I agree, but their offering the fiance a job after firing her was blindingly, staggeringly stupid from a legal standpoint. They just handed her a gender discrimination judgement on a silver platter... with a neon sign and Vegas style lights pointing to it.

Only if they had hired him, he wasn't an employee therefore the standard had not been set. he turned the job down, so it would be up to her to prove that not only had they known before but also planed to ignore their standards once hired.

Its a large hill to climb as a plaintiff to prove that, and not likely.

I swear, am I the only one here who as actually read Title 7?


You're relying purely on federal law, this is in California.

And as I read CA labor law, specifically section 98.6 and its reference to section 96 subsection k (sorry, lots more stuff in that link too), this is a blatant violation of CA labor law.  Given that she wasn't a religious employee, making Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC inapplicable, she's got a pretty damn good case under state law.  She won't even have to bring up the gender discrimination in the job offer to her fiance to prevail.
 
2013-03-01 01:23:23 PM  

ArkAngel: GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.

In what way? They didn't fire her for being pregnant. The pregnancy simply revealed the breach in the same way a sex tape would


hempvision.tv
 
2013-03-01 01:24:47 PM  

ciberido: Wow, I had really expected you to try denying being a misogynist, not double-down on the misogyny


Whoa there. I am by no means a misogynist. I love women. But let's be realistic here. They use their looks to get what they want. And I have no problem with that. But they need to own up to the fact of what they are doing. Call a slut a slut.
 
2013-03-01 01:26:18 PM  

ciberido: mekki: Ed Grubermann: Well, the woman-hating trolls are out in force, I see.

Women haters? No.

Haters of idiots who knew EXACTLY what type of place they were working for when they signed a contract stating every minute detail of what they do and don't allow in their moral code. Yes.

You certainly come across as extremely hateful, either way.  Trying to argue about exactly what flavor of hateful bigot you are seems rather pointless.


Wow, you need decaf.
 
2013-03-01 01:26:41 PM  

SpaceBison: ArkAngel:

In what way? They didn't fire her for being pregnant. The pregnancy simply revealed the breach in the same way a sex tape would

[hempvision.tv image 450x450]


Hmm.. While humorous, it does bring up a good point - what if she had Artificial Insemination? I bet that wouldn't fall under their contract.
 
2013-03-01 01:30:59 PM  

2CountyFairs: thorthor: log_jammin: its employees sign its "community covenant,"

sounds like socialism to me.

Sounds like religious fanaticism to me.

Real question: Why does the religious Christian right hate Socialism so much? Both use a form of wealth sharing. Both help the helpless. Both have people that like to take advantage of the system. Both have "laws" that can be seen to limit your freedoms. It seems like both are actually kind of similar in these regards.


I worked with a Russian just after the fall of the Berlin Wall.  He said the same thing - when you think about it, Heaven is Communism.
 
2013-03-01 01:38:07 PM  
"This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the U.S. Department of Energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by a municipal water utility.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC-regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like, using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
I watched this while eating my breakfast of U.S. Department of Agriculture-inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time, as regulated by the U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the U.S. Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration-approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank.
On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the U.S. Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and Fire Marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.
And then I log on to the internet -- which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration -- and post on Freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right."



This is the single stupidest thing anyone has ever posted that masquerades as an intelligent point. Not sure which is worse, the ignorance+100 of each example in giving credit for these things, or the general tone of "what would anyone ever do without the government" derp.
 
2013-03-01 01:48:23 PM  

doubled99: This is the single stupidest thing anyone has ever posted that masquerades as an intelligent point. Not sure which is worse, the ignorance+100 of each example in giving credit for these things, or the general tone of "what would anyone ever do without the government" derp.


Where did that even COME from, DoubleD?
 
gja
2013-03-01 02:08:50 PM  

Marcintosh: Farking Canuck: Newsflash: Christians tend to be judgemental hypocrites. Film at 11.

+1 thankyouverymuch


Not really. It would be more accurate to say "Selfish, judgmental hypocritical slobs fail at following the true tenets of the religion they claim to follow".

/am christian
// i don't judge folks
///i hope they decide to downsize the popes office now that he quit
 
2013-03-01 02:09:08 PM  
Southern100: [...]  So yeah, they probably thought they were doing her (and him) a favor by offering him a job and keeping their income flow going.. Maybe they didn't WANT to fire her, they just had no choice (because the other teachers might have complained that she violated the contract and the school didn't take action).. Who knows.

This comment is way too common-sense and reasonable to appear on Fark.  Drop the logic, grab a pitchfork.
 
2013-03-01 02:10:52 PM  
This is the single stupidest thing anyone has ever posted that masquerades as an intelligent point. Not sure which is worse, the ignorance+100 of each example in giving credit for these things, or the general tone of "what would anyone ever do without the government" derp.

Where did that even COME from, DoubleD?



Profile of Farker on this page
 
gja
2013-03-01 02:11:47 PM  

Thurston Howell: Southern100: [...]  So yeah, they probably thought they were doing her (and him) a favor by offering him a job and keeping their income flow going.. Maybe they didn't WANT to fire her, they just had no choice (because the other teachers might have complained that she violated the contract and the school didn't take action).. Who knows.

This comment is way too common-sense and reasonable to appear on Fark.  Drop the logic, grab a pitchfork.


If that's really the way it went, then it's even WORSE.
Instead of a few azzholes up top enforcing a repugnant rule you have a whole gaggle of spiteful, jealous, meddling jackwagons who are supposed to be your peers screwing you over.

Nice esprit de corps there....
 
2013-03-01 02:18:31 PM  

GAT_00: ArkAngel: They didn't fire her for being pregnant.

Oh please.  They'll lie, but come on.  The school has no right, NONE, to dictate the private lives of their employees.  No company does.


So all those drug tests were illegal? I call dibs on Gloria when she's done with this case.
 
2013-03-01 02:20:22 PM  

gja: If that's really the way it went, then it's even WORSE.
Instead of a few azzholes up top enforcing a repugnant rule you have a whole gaggle of spiteful, jealous, meddling jackwagons who are supposed to be your peers screwing you over.

Nice esprit de corps there....


That's generally how union shops are.  I don't know how teachers are organised in California, but in this part of Canuck-land, every teacher (private or public) has to be a part of the teachers union.

Plus humans in general don't like it when perqs/exceptions are extended to some but not others.  That part of our brain is factory-equipped.
 
gja
2013-03-01 02:25:38 PM  

Thurston Howell: gja: If that's really the way it went, then it's even WORSE.
Instead of a few azzholes up top enforcing a repugnant rule you have a whole gaggle of spiteful, jealous, meddling jackwagons who are supposed to be your peers screwing you over.

Nice esprit de corps there....

That's generally how union shops are.  I don't know how teachers are organised in California, but in this part of Canuck-land, every teacher (private or public) has to be a part of the teachers union.

Plus humans in general don't like it when perqs/exceptions are extended to some but not others.  That part of our brain is factory-equipped.


Wow, I am glad I had the 'option' omitted in my build sheet.

I learned the real golden rule, and live by it. I got the most farked up looks and comments when, 1 year, I had a guy working for me and they kinda dicked him on the bonus for lack of 3 weeks history.
Since i was VP level I was allowed to reallocate $$ from my bonus and award it to him. He deserved it.
He was one of my best hires ever. You need to reward good work when you see it, or you won't get it again.
 
2013-03-01 02:36:02 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: martissimo

Reading the article it sounds like the case law on this is all over the place, but if she signed a contract that said she had to abstain from pre-marital sex and that's how they word the reason for her firing then she's boned


OMG immaculate conception!

Then the church folk will be forced to prove that such a thing is impossible.


Actually immaculate conception has to do with Mary's birth and not Jesus'.
 
2013-03-01 02:38:32 PM  

puppetmaster745: GAT_00: ArkAngel: They didn't fire her for being pregnant.

Oh please.  They'll lie, but come on.  The school has no right, NONE, to dictate the private lives of their employees.  No company does.

So all those drug tests were illegal? I call dibs on Gloria when she's done with this case.


Well, if they only drug tested the women, then yes, they'd be illegal.  The issue isn't so much the terms of the contract, it's the selective enforcement that shows gender discrimination.

But yeah, the legal niceties in employment law are all over the place on stuff like this.  If you want to win an employment law case, you have to be able to prove that you were done wrong because of a) your membership in a protected class (and everybody can be in a protected class)/participation in a protected activity or b) some sort of whistleblower activity.

Want it to be different?  Join a union.  That's what you do when the bosses are screwing over the labor.  It's somewhat astonishing to me that people no longer understand that the main function of a union is to stop b.s. like this from happening.
 
2013-03-01 02:40:01 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Englebert Slaptyback: martissimo

Reading the article it sounds like the case law on this is all over the place, but if she signed a contract that said she had to abstain from pre-marital sex and that's how they word the reason for her firing then she's boned


OMG immaculate conception!

Then the church folk will be forced to prove that such a thing is impossible.

You are thinking of the virgin birth.   The immaculate conception is what they came out with because they didnt want to say Jesus was born out of a dirty woman.  Im not really sure how come the Big Man could make *poof* Mary immaculately conceived, but not Jesus *poof*.


actually it's to do with Mary being born without origianl sin, but concieved in the "normal" way of things.
 
2013-03-01 02:44:19 PM  

GAT_00: ArkAngel: They didn't fire her for being pregnant.

Oh please.  They'll lie, but come on.  The school has no right, NONE, to dictate the private lives of their employees.  No company does.


Welcome to the church!  They believe their right to run your life is limitless based on nothing but a book that tells them so.  But they're humble, right?

None of it makes logical sense? Garbage information in = Garbage information out.

The logical results of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny would do the same thing, but those myths are ridiculous right?

Sorry maam, our policy is you better not pout you better not cry.  We'll just have to let you go and I'm telling you why.

The very worst part.  This is an institution that's supposed to be based on EDUCATION.  When you mix facts with myths, you don't get equal parts.  Even the facts turn into myths.
 
2013-03-01 02:47:43 PM  

gja: I learned the real golden rule, and live by it. I got the most farked up looks and comments when, 1 year, I had a guy working for me and they kinda dicked him on the bonus for lack of 3 weeks history.
Since i was VP level I was allowed to reallocate $$ from my bonus and award it to him. He deserved it.
He was one of my best hires ever. You need to reward good work when you see it, or you won't get it again.


That's a cool story (and good example).

I agree completely.  But again, this is something that it is difficult to do in a union shop (even a white-collar shop like a government office or school).  Their collective agreements generally tend to value time-in-grade over number of widgets produced.  Which is not to say that unions are a uniformly bad thing, but there are some circumstances/environments where their model is less helpful.
 
2013-03-01 02:50:19 PM  

Two16: Molavian: FFS, is it that hard to not get pregnant?

I don't know... having children is a gift, even unplanned children can change you in ways you'd never thought of as possible.  It's the last step in becoming a true adult.


I hear ya, her cooter is never gonna be the same.
 
2013-03-01 02:55:57 PM  

Gifted Many Few: Whoa there. I am by no means a misogynist. I love women. But let's be realistic here. They use their looks to get what they want. And I have no problem with that. But they need to own up to the fact of what they are doing.


Or, the people who allow themselves to be manipulated by their looks could just wise up.
 
2013-03-01 02:58:34 PM  

Pincy: Gifted Many Few: Whoa there. I am by no means a misogynist. I love women. But let's be realistic here. They use their looks to get what they want. And I have no problem with that. But they need to own up to the fact of what they are doing.

Or, the people who allow themselves to be manipulated by their looks could just wise up.


But that sucks all the fun right out of it.
 
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  4. Click here to submit a link.

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