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2013-03-01 12:05:47 AM
At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?
 
2013-03-01 12:14:01 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?


Simple: that clause is illegal.
 
2013-03-01 12:43:04 AM
She should have gotten an abortion. Problem solved.

Also, Gloria Allred is her attorney. This could be epic.
 
2013-03-01 01:03:20 AM

GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.


In what way? They didn't fire her for being pregnant. The pregnancy simply revealed the breach in the same way a sex tape would
 
2013-03-01 01:05:02 AM
They will settle.
Unless of course they are indeed dumber than they seem.
Of course considering that they offered her fiance a job immediately after
her termination.
 
2013-03-01 01:20:21 AM

ArkAngel: They didn't fire her for being pregnant.


Oh please.  They'll lie, but come on.  The school has no right, NONE, to dictate the private lives of their employees.  No company does.
 
2013-03-01 01:32:36 AM
Reading the article it sounds like the case law on this is all over the place, but if she signed a contract that said she had to abstain from pre-marital sex and that's how they word the reason for her firing then she's boned

/again
//if ya know what I mean
 
2013-03-01 02:07:29 AM
Just Christians being their usual loving, forgiving and non-judgmental selves.

martissimo: Reading the article it sounds like the case law on this is all over the place, but if she signed a contract that said she had to abstain from pre-marital sex and that's how they word the reason for her firing then she's boned

/again
//if ya know what I mean


The contract didn't detail that she could be fired for infractions.
It's not clear whether such a contract is legal to begin with.
 
2013-03-01 03:26:59 AM
its employees sign its "community covenant,"

sounds like socialism to me.
 
2013-03-01 04:41:40 AM
So, didn't the guy have to sign the same contract to get her job?  If so, are they going to immediately fire him, since his girlfriend got pregnant before they were married?

Or does that clause only apply to the dirty, dirty, girls - not the studly guys?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-01 08:05:30 AM
Well, it's only fair.  She is the one who tempted him and destroyed his virtue with her dirty, dirty girl parts.

Bless his heart.
 
2013-03-01 08:09:29 AM
It's just nuts.
 
2013-03-01 08:10:27 AM

log_jammin: its employees sign its "community covenant,"

sounds like socialism to me.


Sounds like religious fanaticism to me.
 
2013-03-01 08:11:27 AM
Good, now they can both get jobs at real schools.
 
2013-03-01 08:11:44 AM
That's what Jesus* would do, of course. This is just more Christians demonstrating their faith through their actions.

*Republican Jesus
 
2013-03-01 08:12:01 AM
FFS, is it that hard to not get pregnant?
 
2013-03-01 08:13:00 AM

ArkAngel: GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.

In what way? They didn't fire her for being pregnant. The pregnancy simply revealed the breach in the same way a sex tape would


Immaculate Conception.
 
2013-03-01 08:13:45 AM
What the issue here. When you work for someone, follow the rules. If she wants to go out and slut it up, she should have picked a different vocation.
 
2013-03-01 08:14:24 AM
Well he's got a family now he needs to bring home the bacon to. Doesn't mean she' s suddenly not a slut.
 
2013-03-01 08:14:25 AM
How very Christian of them.
 
2013-03-01 08:14:31 AM

martissimo


Reading the article it sounds like the case law on this is all over the place, but if she signed a contract that said she had to abstain from pre-marital sex and that's how they word the reason for her firing then she's boned


OMG immaculate conception!

Then the church folk will be forced to prove that such a thing is impossible.
 
2013-03-01 08:14:41 AM
You seek out a job at a religious organization, you sign a employment contract, you play by their rules even if you don't like them.

It may suck, but she knew what she was getting into when she took the job.
 
2013-03-01 08:16:01 AM

NephilimNexus: Good, now they can both get jobs at real schools.


Moving out of country could be a bit of a gamble with a child on the way.
 
2013-03-01 08:17:32 AM

vpb: Well, it's only fair.  She is the one who tempted him and destroyed his virtue with her dirty, dirty girl parts.

Bless his heart.


RTFA? No, why would you? He didn't take the job.
 
2013-03-01 08:17:35 AM
In nearby Cincinnati, Ohio, Christa Dias, who oversaw computer systems at Holy Family and St. Lawrence schools, became pregnant by artificial insemination.

Rock me, Christa Dias.

/Christa Dias, Christa Dias
 
2013-03-01 08:17:56 AM

GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.


I don't know that it is, esp. since IANAL, but I would think her lawyer ought to be able to make hay out of them offering the position to the person she had sex with.  I mean...fire the woman for having sex, then offer the job to her male partner?  C'mon.
 
2013-03-01 08:18:41 AM
I can't feel any sympathy for her.  She signed a morally repugnant "covenant" - she probably is the sort that loves all that crap.  Well, she did, until she figured out that it applied to her as well.
 
2013-03-01 08:19:22 AM
Dirty whore. Serves her right.
 
2013-03-01 08:19:25 AM

nimbers: ArkAngel: GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.

In what way? They didn't fire her for being pregnant. The pregnancy simply revealed the breach in the same way a sex tape would

Immaculate Conception.


Oh, for fark's sake. That's not Immaculate Conception. Mary was born free of sin. That's Immaculate Conception.
 
2013-03-01 08:20:42 AM
Well, the woman-hating trolls are out in force, I see.
 
2013-03-01 08:21:01 AM
San Diego Christian College asks that its employees sign its "community covenant," a two-page contract that asks its community, which includes employees and about 500 students on-site, to abstain from drugs, alcohol and tobacco and "abusive anger, malice, jealousy, lust, sexually immoral behavior including premarital sex, adultery, pornography and homosexuality, evil desires and prejudice based on race, sex or socioeconomic status."


hello!  contradiction??
 
2013-03-01 08:21:26 AM

eKonk: I can't feel any sympathy for her.  She signed a morally repugnant "covenant" - she probably is the sort that loves all that crap.  Well, she did, until she figured out that it just applied to her as well women.


FTFY
 
2013-03-01 08:21:28 AM
Ah yes. Yet another lost opportunity to show forgiveness and the love of Christ in action.
 
2013-03-01 08:21:44 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: You seek out a job at a religious organization, you sign a employment contract, you play by their rules even if you don't like them.

It may suck, but she knew what she was getting into when she took the job.


Yep. Did she think that the contract she signed was just a gag? If someone made me sign a contract to work at a place, you better believe I would follow it. And if I thought the contract was foolish, I would either refuse the job or quit. It's not like they were holding a gun to her head and demanding that she work for them.
 
2013-03-01 08:21:49 AM
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2013-03-01 08:21:55 AM
She says she was fired because, as the termination letter included in the suit stated: "Teri engaged in activity outside the scope of the Handbook and Community Covenant that does not build up the college's mission."

/So, that mission would be telling people how to live outside of your business? Forcing your morals upon others and judging them by your draconian and bloated theocracy? And of course, you offered to hire the guy, women are worth less, and expendable. Nothing wrong with them having extramarital sex, but you should have stoned the whore in the auditorium right? Ami right? Are you sure this wasn't an Islamic fundy school? You guys suck. But that's what you get for getting a job with a bunch of right wing nutjobs.
 
2013-03-01 08:22:02 AM
You signed a contract. Don't like it? Don't sign the f*cking contract. How is this difficult?
 
2013-03-01 08:23:19 AM

ArkAngel: GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.

In what way? They didn't fire her for being pregnant. The pregnancy simply revealed the breach in the same way a sex tape would


The school's problem is that it then went and tried to hire a man who they also knew was in breach of the same policy.... that's what makes it discriminatory.
 
2013-03-01 08:23:53 AM

Tat'dGreaser: You signed a contract. Don't like it? Don't sign the f*cking contract. How is this difficult?


but the scientlogoists provided me with free water and beer  in exchange for following them for 10 BILLION YEARS!
 
2013-03-01 08:25:56 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: You seek out a job at a religious organization, you sign a employment contract, you play by their rules even if you don't like them.

It may suck, but she knew what she was getting into when she took the job.


Yet an employer cant ask if you have a kid at a job interview.
I somewhat agree with you, and somewhat would like to see the schooled sued back to the stone age.
 
2013-03-01 08:27:00 AM
What are the chances this was more about dumping an employee who would soon be demanding 6wks of maternity and random time off to take snot-nosed Jr. to the doctor and less about sexual purity of their employees?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-01 08:27:12 AM

Ed Grubermann: vpb: Well, it's only fair.  She is the one who tempted him and destroyed his virtue with her dirty, dirty girl parts.

RTFA? No, why would you? He didn't take the job.


Which has what to do with anything?
 
2013-03-01 08:27:31 AM

ArkAngel: GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.

In what way? They didn't fire her for being pregnant. The pregnancy simply revealed the breach in the same way a sex tape would


And so they offered to hire her partner in what they perceive is immoral activity?
 
2013-03-01 08:29:13 AM
Also insulting, James said, was that after firing her, the school offered a job to her then-fiancé - they are now married - even though it was known that he, too, engaged in premarital sex. He did not accept the job, she said

see, that's where I've got a problem.  look, if you want to fire a woman for having pre-marital sex...ok, that's fine.  if that's what your morality says you can do then go ahead and kick the pregnant woman out into the world with no money.  But if pre-marital sex is bad then its bad for the guy as well.  it takes two to tango guys, she ain't getting pregnant all on her own, she had help.  you wanna condemn her actions as immoral then you MUST condemn the guy who got her pregnant.

I think that school isn't as moral as they believe.  in fact, I think their morality is deeply flawed.
 
2013-03-01 08:29:36 AM

GAT_00: ArkAngel: They didn't fire her for being pregnant.

Oh please.  They'll lie, but come on.  The school has no right, NONE, to dictate the private lives of their employees.  No company does.


/Indeed, they can put down whatever bullshiat moralistic crap they want to in their "contract", but if it violates your rights under the constitution, and the bill of rights, then it would not be valid under law.  I worked at a business long ago, and they told me "no relationships in the office, no dating other workers".  I went, um..sure..i sure won't.  Anyway, they found out i was porking their favorite hottie big boobed receptionist outside work, and threw a big fit, said they were going to fire me for dating her, as i had broken the "contract" or "law" they set down.  I laughed at them and had my lawyer make them a nice little phone call, threaten them with a harassment lawsuit,  and clue them in on the law.  They never said anything after that, and i could pretty much do what i wanted.  They were religious fundies too.  Was funny to see their faces as i openly flirted with her on our breaks.
 
2013-03-01 08:30:54 AM
What I'm getting out of this thread is that she should have shut it down.
 
2013-03-01 08:31:12 AM

Ed Grubermann: Well, the woman-hating trolls are out in force, I see.


Women haters? No.

Haters of idiots who knew EXACTLY what type of place they were working for when they signed a contract stating every minute detail of what they do and don't allow in their moral code. Yes.

In another way, imagine you worked for PETA but you were caught wearing a fur coat out and about. Now you are aghast how PETA is aghast at your behavior despite the fact that you knew PETA's agenda when you signed on to work there.

Honestly, what was she thinking? If someone makes you sign a contract, there's a good chance they are going to hold you up to it even if you think that contract is dumb.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-01 08:31:19 AM
Ed Grubermann:

Immaculate Conception.

Oh, for fark's sake. That's not Immaculate Conception. Mary was born free of sin. That's Immaculate Conception.


Until she cheated on her husband with a ghost and gave birth to a bastard.
 
2013-03-01 08:31:21 AM
FTA: Speaking by phone with her lawyer, Gloria Allred, James said she felt humiliated.

Well, there's your problem.  Hire a more competent attorney.
 
2013-03-01 08:31:49 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: You seek out a job at a religious organization, you sign a employment contract, you play by their rules even if you don't like them.

It may suck, but she knew what she was getting into when she took the job.


This is exactly correct. My aunt works in a Catholic school and is she has to tow the line in terms of teaching and acting within the accepted catholic traditions despite her personal beliefs.

If you don't like the idea of saying how great God is and how wonderful the Pope is then take another job. This is going to be a tough case to win, I think, but I failed law in high school.
 
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