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2013-03-01 12:53:15 AM  
Perhaps the first time that I've ever heard of.
 
2013-03-01 06:49:59 AM  
I wish I had nothing better to do with my time than try to get my neighbors in legal trouble for shiat that I don't like.
 
2013-03-01 06:50:54 AM  
Headline troll!
 
2013-03-01 06:52:11 AM  
Next up, no slumber parties!
 
2013-03-01 06:55:15 AM  
Don't worry, they'll listen to Reason.
 
2013-03-01 06:56:31 AM  
Soooo... unrelated people can't live together to share rent payments?

I don't understand stupid people. Perhaps this is a good thing.
 
2013-03-01 06:58:12 AM  
He could always pretend to be gay. It worked for Jack Tripper.
 
2013-03-01 06:58:50 AM  
This is not one of those times.
 
2013-03-01 07:02:17 AM  
In farking Watertown? That ain't a rich place, there are probably going to be more than a few pissed people.

Anyway, the local lawyers thank the city council for being jackasses, they (and the neighbors being forced out) are going to be taking some money from the city soon.
 
2013-03-01 07:03:04 AM  
vlib.eitan.ac.il
 
2013-03-01 07:11:28 AM  
There are several towns that limit the number of non-related people living together. They are usually put it place so some poor uptight yuppies don't have to suffer through the abject horror of living next door to 4 or 5 college students renting a house.

FWIW, I think those laws are bullshiat and arbitrary, but this is not breaking news, the headline is wrong, and Reason still sucks.
 
xcv
2013-03-01 07:12:12 AM  

cptjeff: In farking Watertown? That ain't a rich place, there are probably going to be more than a few pissed people.

Anyway, the local lawyers thank the city council for being jackasses, they (and the neighbors being forced out) are going to be taking some money from the city soon.


Nobody is being forced out.

"At Monday night's public hearing, Mrs. Cavallario said she hoped Mr. Hartman and his friends "would be grandfathered in" and continue to live there. But she said the situation should not become "normal in our neighborhood.""
 
2013-03-01 07:13:32 AM  
Twisted old bat needs to diaf. What, couldn't find an HOA to terrorize you dried up old busy-body?

Hope the people on the recieving end of this fight this shiat in court.
 
2013-03-01 07:16:48 AM  
Sometimes, every once in awhile, Fark's faux-intelligencia welfare state liberals have a moment of clarity.
 
2013-03-01 07:17:05 AM  
Mark Frauenfelder at 12:36 pm Thu, Feb 28, 1713

/dafuq?
 
2013-03-01 07:26:01 AM  
Meh, they tried this about 15 years ago where I live to limit the number of students in certain areas. The courts took about 15 minutes to overturn the by-law.
 
2013-03-01 07:27:18 AM  

xcv: cptjeff: In farking Watertown? That ain't a rich place, there are probably going to be more than a few pissed people.

Anyway, the local lawyers thank the city council for being jackasses, they (and the neighbors being forced out) are going to be taking some money from the city soon.

Nobody is being forced out.

"At Monday night's public hearing, Mrs. Cavallario said she hoped Mr. Hartman and his friends "would be grandfathered in" and continue to live there. But she said the situation should not become "normal in our neighborhood.""


Lawyers and "test case X" will be getting a check then.

Seriously, I can't imagine there's any court around that would allow a city to outlaw living with a roommate.
 
xcv
2013-03-01 07:32:53 AM  

cc_rider: There are several towns that limit the number of non-related people living together. They are usually put it place so some poor uptight yuppies don't have to suffer through the abject horror of living next door to 4 or 5 college students renting a house.

FWIW, I think those laws are bullshiat and arbitrary, but this is not breaking news, the headline is wrong, and Reason still sucks.


Lots of working class neighborhoods have also been heavily burdened with single-family homes being illegally converted into multiple apartments or boarding houses.

The government shouldn't restrict people from taking a reasonable number of roommates over BS quality of life laws, but the homeowners' property taxes needs to be reassessed and increased accordingly because the house is now a multiple family dwelling.Owners of legally converted two family homes already pay more taxes than their single family home neighbors, there shouldn't be an exception for someone using craigslist to turn their home into a boarding house.

These owners are paying property taxes based on 1 or 2 adults but the additional adult tenants in the house can be expected to increase demand for government services, more trash, more library usage, more kids showing up at school etc.
 
2013-03-01 07:43:22 AM  

xcv: cc_rider: There are several towns that limit the number of non-related people living together. They are usually put it place so some poor uptight yuppies don't have to suffer through the abject horror of living next door to 4 or 5 college students renting a house.

FWIW, I think those laws are bullshiat and arbitrary, but this is not breaking news, the headline is wrong, and Reason still sucks.

Lots of working class neighborhoods have also been heavily burdened with single-family homes being illegally converted into multiple apartments or boarding houses.

The government shouldn't restrict people from taking a reasonable number of roommates over BS quality of life laws, but the homeowners' property taxes needs to be reassessed and increased accordingly because the house is now a multiple family dwelling.Owners of legally converted two family homes already pay more taxes than their single family home neighbors, there shouldn't be an exception for someone using craigslist to turn their home into a boarding house.

These owners are paying property taxes based on 1 or 2 adults but the additional adult tenants in the house can be expected to increase demand for government services, more trash, more library usage, more kids showing up at school etc.


That's largely a good point but unless the government is reevaluating the taxes based on ALL adults living in the house, related or not, it just seems pretty arbitrary and unfair.
 
2013-03-01 07:43:37 AM  
Is there a reason this is linked to BoingBoing and not the original?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-01 07:43:44 AM  
No one here realizes that if the couple was gay then all of a sudden Reason would have been on the other side of the debate???
 
2013-03-01 07:44:36 AM  

Dragonflew: [vlib.eitan.ac.il image 230x230]


Na na na na na Propellerhead!
 
2013-03-01 07:44:55 AM  

Rufus Lee King: Listen to me, you farkers.

I would suggest beginning a reading program immediately.

Begin with the late Romans, including Boethius, of course.

For the contemporary period, you should study some selected comic books.

I recommend Batman especially, for he tends to transcend the abysmal society in which he finds himself.

His morality is rather rigid, also.

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I admire both the cut of your jib, and your appreciation of geometry.

/I'll take a Dr. Nut
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-01 07:45:19 AM  

vygramul: Is there a reason this is linked to BoingBoing and not the original?


pjmedia.com

No hits for a group of braindead people that think people like Newt Gingrich are smart.
 
2013-03-01 07:48:13 AM  

d23: vygramul: Is there a reason this is linked to BoingBoing and not the original?

[pjmedia.com image 379x214]

No hits for a group of braindead people that think people like Newt Gingrich are smart.


They're clearly one of those hard-right Libertarian organizations, but if the article is just quoting them, it's not really any better because it still rewards them.
 
2013-03-01 07:50:51 AM  

d23: No one here realizes that if the couple was gay then all of a sudden Reason would have been on the other side of the debate???


Umm no.
 
2013-03-01 07:52:06 AM  
So that means that married couples can't live together.
 
2013-03-01 07:56:20 AM  

Tanthalas39: Sometimes, every once in awhile, Fark's faux-intelligencia welfare state liberals have a moment of clarity.


For newbs, "faux-intelligencia " means "people who are lots smarter than me who make me feel bad because I'm not that smart, so they're totes not REALLY smart"
 
2013-03-01 07:57:06 AM  
Because unrelated people living together is SEX, and that DURDEE DURDEE DURDEE and we need to stop that because jesus...

Damn I HATE PRUDES. I wish we could move all the sex-haters off to an island where they cannot bother us anymore.
 
2013-03-01 08:01:16 AM  

d23: No one here realizes that if the couple was gay then all of a sudden Reason would have been on the other side of the debate???


Of course they would.

Used to live in a town that had one of these laws. When these laws are put into places where gay marriage is not even recognized by the state, it means that a married couple could legally rent a room out, but a gay couple could not. How is that not arbitrary and unfair?
 
2013-03-01 08:02:05 AM  

d23: No one here realizes that if the couple was gay then all of a sudden Reason would have been on the other side of the debate???


Honestly, Reason seems to float right around hard-line Libertarian. They'd have no issue with gays, lesbians, or even LGBTBBQWTF.
 
2013-03-01 08:04:11 AM  
One of the comments on Watertown's newspaper article says: "to whom it may concern Mrs Cavalario is a non-gun owner"
 
2013-03-01 08:07:42 AM  

d23: No one here realizes that if the couple was gay then all of a sudden Reason would have been on the other side of the debate???


No. I hate Reason, but they're not social conservatives.

And I nominate Deborah Cavallario as C*nt of the Week. Maybe month, but it's only the first. Hypocrisy at its finest.
 
2013-03-01 08:09:36 AM  

NormallyTechnos: d23: No one here realizes that if the couple was gay then all of a sudden Reason would have been on the other side of the debate???

Honestly, Reason seems to float right around hard-line Libertarian. They'd have no issue with gays, lesbians, or even LGBTBBQWTF.


Yabut, they have a hard-on for voter-ID laws.  I summon the "No True Scotsman" fallacy and point out that Libertarians are not typically in the business of having the government add regulations to problems that have not been demonstrated (and are even against regulations of some problems that have).
 
2013-03-01 08:10:43 AM  

squibbits: One of the comments on Watertown's newspaper article says: "to whom it may concern Mrs Cavalario is a non-gun owner"


But does she raise cage-free chickens?
 
2013-03-01 08:11:13 AM  
One more person that should have to live deep in South America for a year. She has no clue how wonderful her life is, how terrible a person she is, and how things are for many people not living in her bizarre little bubble world.
 
2013-03-01 08:15:09 AM  

poorjon: Don't worry, they'll listen to Reason.


i thought you hated machine guns.
 
2013-03-01 08:15:13 AM  

Ehcks: Soooo... unrelated people can't live together to share rent payments?

I don't understand stupid people. Perhaps this is a good thing.


The idea, this is a planned community (not the whole city), effectively its a HOA saying they Only want families living there. They probably don't want rentals at all.
 
2013-03-01 08:18:29 AM  

cc_rider: There are several towns that limit the number of non-related people living together. They are usually put it place so some poor uptight yuppies don't have to suffer through the abject horror of living next door to 4 or 5 college students renting a house.


The town where I went to college had this happen - the old student ghetto, filled with fine old houses that were full of students, had started to gentrify so the yups passed a law that prevented more then three unrelated people from living in the same house.

Now, this was a older neighborhood filled with Victorian houses, BIG houses, often with four or five bedrooms. Unfortunately, not a lot of yuppie couples could afford those monstrosities, but the when the students moved out, families did indeed move in - BIG families, Hispanic families, with madre and papi and  three or four kids, plus Tio Hector and Tante Juana and a couple cousins. Where once were parked VWs and Toyotas are now vans with ladder racks and pickups towing trailers filled with lawn mowers.

I laugh at the few remaining yuppies whenever I drive through there.
 
2013-03-01 08:19:38 AM  

Rufus Lee King: OldManDownDRoad: But does she raise cage-free chickens?

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+ 1 internets
 
2013-03-01 08:22:11 AM  
poorjon: Don't worry, they'll listen to Reason.

2.bp.blogspot.com

Shhh! I'm listening to reason!
 
2013-03-01 08:22:18 AM  

d23: No one here realizes that if the couple was gay then all of a sudden Reason would have been on the other side of the debate???


Reason and its parent organization typically support gay rights.

/libertarianism ≠ ultra conservatism
 
2013-03-01 08:23:54 AM  
 What about all those people in section 8 housing?
A whole lot of them are living together and not related.
 
2013-03-01 08:31:30 AM  

d23: vygramul: Is there a reason this is linked to BoingBoing and not the original?

No hits for a group of braindead people that think people like Newt Gingrich are smart.


No, Fark does this as much as it can.
Gawker, Boing-Boing, and other similar news aggregates get all the links.

Yes, Fark the news aggregate links to news aggregates.
I just assume money is changing hands.
 
2013-03-01 08:36:07 AM  
God-is-a-Taco:
Yes, Fark the news aggregate links to news aggregates.
I just assume money is changing hands.


You mean the constant linking to Salon, Slate, and HuffPo is not coincidental?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, to hear it.
 
2013-03-01 08:47:54 AM  

Tanthalas39: Sometimes, every once in awhile, Fark's faux-intelligencia welfare state liberals have a moment of clarity.


Lolwut
 
2013-03-01 09:04:29 AM  
All the towns in New York that try this kind of thing do it with one target in mind: Keep Hispanic and Latino people out.  It started in Farmingville and has spread out.  They have other laws that prevent people from having more than one oven in their homes to prevent people from renting out basement apartments.  These laws are almost always unenforceable and they are quite pointless unless you recognize that their true purpose is an excuse to harass immigrants.
 
2013-03-01 09:12:13 AM  

cc_rider: There are several towns that limit the number of non-related people living together. They are usually put it place so some poor uptight yuppies don't have to suffer through the abject horror of living next door to 4 or 5 college students Mexican families renting a house.


fixed
 
2013-03-01 09:27:46 AM  

OldManDownDRoad: Now, this was a older neighborhood filled with Victorian houses, BIG houses, often with four or five bedrooms. Unfortunately, not a lot of yuppie couples could afford those monstrosities, but the when the students moved out, families did indeed move in - BIG families, Hispanic families, with madre and papi and three or four kids, plus Tio Hector and Tante Juana and a couple cousins. Where once were parked VWs and Toyotas are now vans with ladder racks and pickups towing trailers filled with lawn mowers.


This. Some people are apparently unaware that this an old practice. Binghamton, NY, and other college towns around the country use this same type of law to prevent slumlords from turning larger single-family residences into what are essentially flophouses for large numbers of students, with the attendant noise and parking problems, not to mention fire code violations.

I've tried to make the same point you make, that it's a legitimate concern to address, but that the actual families are often much worse. Plus, the end result is often, as the story notes, openly classist: it can turn into a deliberate attempt to "ghettoize" people just because they're too poor to live there without roommates, not because they're actually making trouble.
  If you want to deal with noise and parking problems, pass and enforce noise and parking ordinances. Yeah, I know it's "hard" to do your jobs, but it's a lot better than dreaming up some bullshiat proxy because you're too cheap to calibrate the sound meter and train code enforcement to use it, or actually send someone out in a timely manner when people complain.
 
2013-03-01 09:29:13 AM  
I'm so sick of the incessant attacks on anything that doesn't follow the liberal narrative. Libertarians are the "in-between" party - they are socially liberal, and fiscally conservative.

Sorry if not everyone believes that their lives should be controlled by the government from cradle to grave.
 
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