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(The Sun)   62-year-old man grabs 11-year-old boy who broke his window and frogmarches him to his parents. Guess who gets fined by the courts   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 40
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2013-03-01 01:48:08 AM
4 votes:

lack of warmth: I am sure he already felt bad about the incident,



Not likely.....he probably felt bad because he was caught.
2013-03-01 12:29:03 AM
4 votes:

dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."


You don't read any good books, then. All prisoners get frogmarched.
2013-03-01 01:25:30 AM
3 votes:
Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.
2013-02-28 10:50:50 PM
3 votes:
"During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.
2013-03-01 01:44:31 PM
2 votes:

rocky_howard: Sorry, the Atari was a fad. A cheap, bad, ugly fad.


Not sure why you think 30 Million consoles sold would be considered a "Fad".. True, the NES had double that (61 million), but I wouldn't call it a fad by any stretch of the imagination. The 2600 pretty much dominated the market until the NES was released in 1985.
2013-03-01 02:10:57 AM
2 votes:
The brat's dad called the cops on the old man.  So he must think what the kid did was ok.
Since the brat's dad thinks it's ok to throw rocks  at the windows of other peoples' homes, he shouldn't mind if other people throw rocks at the windows of his home.

Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.  So it should be no surprise there are so many of them getting involved in crimes from vandalism to murder.

If I did something like that and the guy frogmarched me home, my dad would have made sure I was punished.  That punishment would have involved a belt.  If I had broken a window, my parents would have taken any money I had and put it toward replacing the guy's window.  I knew this when I was a kid so that's why I never went around trying to break windows in people's homes.
2013-03-01 01:40:31 AM
2 votes:
Really, at 11 years old, it's too late for parenting to have a major effect on the kid. The kid's major behavior patterns are shaped by his peers once he's entered school. Parental involvement must have happened long before now.
2013-03-01 01:25:57 AM
2 votes:

log_jammin: More: stupid, lessons, doorhandles


I'm actually on the side of the grandad on this one. Bruise will heal, kid won't bother the guy anymore, problem solved.
2013-03-01 12:02:39 AM
2 votes:
This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.
2013-03-01 12:02:26 AM
2 votes:
Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."
2013-03-02 04:03:24 AM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: "When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you're paying a price for this war." - Barack Obama March 2008

"Applying that same standard to means-tested welfare spending reveals that welfare will cost each household $560 per month in 2009 and $638 per month in 2010."


*Raises hand.*

Just wanted to point out that welfare is good for the US and worth a tax hike, while the Iraq war was unnecessary and did no good at all. Not for the US taxpayers, anyway.
2013-03-01 05:27:59 PM
1 votes:

CutBoard: whidbey: Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.

I can only hope that you get to the age when you learn the difference between right and wrong.


You what now?

Yeah, this kid needed to be "frogmarched to his parents" but, only after you had taken a good leather belt to whoop his ass.
Libertarians, gotta love'em, as they're too stupid to know the difference between right and wrong.


Did you respond to the wrong person?  I am not a libertarian by any means, and I think the person who took the law into his own hands here got what he deserved.
2013-03-01 04:35:54 PM
1 votes:

Kevin72: . Enjoy your sequester, someone has to pay for the borrowing that financed the Iraq.


Way too thread-jack. But if you are going to do it at least be truthful:

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"When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you're paying a price for this war." - Barack Obama March 2008

"Applying that same standard to means-tested welfare spending reveals that welfare will cost each household $560 per month in 2009 and $638 per month in 2010."

In FY 2011, federal spending on means-tested welfare, plus state contributions to federal programs reached $940 billion per year. The federal share will come to around $695 billion, or 74 percent, while state spending will be around $250 billion, or 26 percent.

Combined federal and state means-tested welfare is now the second-largest category of overall government spending in the nation. It is exceeded only by the combined cost of Social Security and Medicare. Welfare spending is greater than the cost of public education and is greater than spending on national defense.

Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, government has spent $15.9 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars) on means-tested welfare. In comparison, the cost of all other wars in U.S. history was $6.4 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars).

Means-tested spending on cash, food, and housing increased more rapidly (196 percent) than Social Security (174 percent). The growth in means-tested medical spending (448 percent) exceeded the growth in Medicare (376 percent).[2] The growth in means-tested aid greatly exceeded the growth in government spending on education (143 percent) and defense (126 percent).

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2013-03-01 02:13:41 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: darthaegis:
The guy didn't dole out punishment.  No one is arguing that he intentionally hurt the kid, not even the kid's parents.  He merely returned him to his parents.  The kid got a bruise in the process.  Big farkin' deal.


Nah, that's right... He 'accidentally' pushed the child into the door handle hard enough to cause a bruise under his eye.  He assaulted a kid and, no matter how justified he felt, it was wrong.

GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

2013-03-01 11:44:06 AM
1 votes:
Ahem... The Internet was around before 2000.

Just sayin'.
2013-03-01 10:39:15 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: To the people here who are calling this guy a criminal, how do YOU think this kid's behavior is best corrected?


When I ran into a similar incident.  I went to the parents and didn't touch the kid, even though I wanted to slap the shiat out of him.
The child's father took care of it.

You want to dole out the punishment cuz you all mad?  Expect to be treated like the criminal you are.

The days of, "I've been wronged so I'll wrong you back till I feel satisfied," are gone.
m00
2013-03-01 10:33:38 AM
1 votes:

ktybear: If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?


war on drugs
2013-03-01 09:07:33 AM
1 votes:

doglover: HaywoodJablonski: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

9/10

Crime is down.
Beatings are down.

That's because of the decrease in pirates.


morale is great.

/i actually agree with the original comment here. I think a good swat is what some kids need. Obviously this changes kid to kid, but you're not trying to hurt them. You're trying to get their attention.
//my sister does the whole 'talk to them, go sit in the corner' bit and her kid is a terror and completely ignores everything she says.
///i got hit as a kid and i turned out pretty well, if i do say so myself.
2013-03-01 08:13:33 AM
1 votes:
Normally I'd be on the geezer's side but something here leads me to believe the kid isn't quite as much of a bad egg / lost cause as some of you are making him out to be.

The guy actually caught the kid.

This leads me to believe something like this happened: The guy heard the rocks hit, ran to the door and yelled, 'Ay! Why you lit'el scallywag! You get your right lit'el English muffins o'er 'ere right now! The kid did so and was promptly grabbed by the scruff and queried: Right! Your parents at 'ome, then? Wewl, come on then! [Dragging / manhandling in the "churning butter" style ensues.]

And why do I think it happened like that? Because the kid didn't run. Unless the old guy is a sprinter or the kid is abnormally slow: there's no way that dude is catching an 11-year-old. I did stupid sh*t when I was 11. I would have hauled some serious ass in a similar situation. But, unless I'm missing something, this kid respected this old guy enough (or knew he'd been recognized) that he didn't turn on the jets when he got caught. Either way, kid doesn't sound like a psychopath who is beyond hopeof reform as some of you are suggesting.

I would have gotten my butt tanned for similar actions (and did). I also know that if some guy I had wronged pushed my face into a door, doorknob--whatever--he would be in deep sh*t with the folks.

I await your awesome replies. Please cut and paste this: Pffft! LOL!! below your posts to save me the time.
2013-03-01 05:49:36 AM
1 votes:

vrax: HaywoodJablonski: TerminalEchoes: GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.

Do you own and use a passport? I'm guessing not. The USA is the greatest nation in the world by a large margin

Sorry, I was pretty bummed when I came back from Sweden.


When you have a population of 9 million, the problems are a lot easier to manage, especially with free oil money.
2013-03-01 05:25:14 AM
1 votes:

ktybear: the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

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/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse

If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

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Seriously?  You can't figure that one out?
2013-03-01 05:16:04 AM
1 votes:

ktybear: If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?


Prison-industrial complex and the War on Drugs?
2013-03-01 05:04:28 AM
1 votes:
The old guy and the kid are both assholes.
2013-03-01 04:47:15 AM
1 votes:

vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.


Yeah, then they could have shot him instead
2013-03-01 04:24:38 AM
1 votes:
Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.
2013-03-01 04:00:36 AM
1 votes:
A grown man came into physical contact with an 11 year old. He's very lucky to have not ended up on a sex offenders' register.
2013-03-01 03:54:39 AM
1 votes:

UltimaCS: "During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.


Yeah.  Frog-marching him to his parents is one thing, pushing him into a door handle is another.
2013-03-01 03:48:38 AM
1 votes:
Another pretty snowflake article

/seriously, I'm surprised the kid didn't get an ass whopping there on the spot
2013-03-01 03:34:42 AM
1 votes:

PaLarkin: The brat's dad called the cops on the old man.  So he must think what the kid did was ok.
Since the brat's dad thinks it's ok to throw rocks  at the windows of other peoples' homes, he shouldn't mind if other people throw rocks at the windows of his home.

Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.  So it should be no surprise there are so many of them getting involved in crimes from vandalism to murder.

If I did something like that and the guy frogmarched me home, my dad would have made sure I was punished.  That punishment would have involved a belt.  If I had broken a window, my parents would have taken any money I had and put it toward replacing the guy's window.  I knew this when I was a kid so that's why I never went around trying to break windows in people's homes.


You realize that the logic in your first two sentences does not follow, right? And that the article doesn't back up your claim in any way? And your second paragraph reeks of uninformed opinion (and grump-based bullshiat)? And your third paragraph is a hypothetical CSB?

Did you watch Gran Torino and complain about that young whippersnapper Eastwood going too easy on those kids?
2013-03-01 02:48:52 AM
1 votes:
Find out where this judge lives. Break a window in his house every day for the next year.
2013-03-01 02:29:32 AM
1 votes:
Okay, the boy was throwing several rocks at the old man's house.  I get that the old man was fined for accidentally harming the kid (who totally had it coming), but what about the throwing rocks at the house?  Shouldn't someone, either the boy or the boy's father, be fined for that?
2013-03-01 02:08:05 AM
1 votes:
The worst part is now that the little urchin has seen the old grownup get into trouble, that means urchin is in the right - and can therefore continue his hooliganism unchecked.

But the next old man might know where to hide a body. Just sayin'.
2013-03-01 02:06:59 AM
1 votes:
In Florida, he could have just shot him.
2013-03-01 02:05:35 AM
1 votes:
Stupid old man.  That's what 55 gallon plastic drums and Hydroflouric Acid are for.

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2013-03-01 02:04:40 AM
1 votes:
When I was about 14 I got popped in the face so hard by an old man it made my ears ring.

Thinking back on it now, he nearly knocked me out.  We'd made a fort out of stolen milk crates in the alley behind his house and dude was *pissed*.  Everybody else ran, I was stupid enough to try to explain to him the alley wasn't his property.  You tell him, tiger!

/ 14 is a year when life lessons come daily.
2013-03-01 01:48:32 AM
1 votes:
Lots of negroes.
2013-03-01 01:35:53 AM
1 votes:
Throwing stones at my house..that kid would be shiatting stones

/that's a paddlin'
//especially if he lived in a glass house
2013-03-01 01:31:41 AM
1 votes:

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.


Which increase in crime would that be?
2013-03-01 01:24:31 AM
1 votes:
Aaaaahh!!! their poor snowflake being held accountable for his actions!?!? Not if helio-parents can help it! God help us all.
2013-02-28 11:51:43 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, as a rule don't touch other people's kid in any fashion and never leave a mark even if the kid is yours.  I have been in the shoes of that 11 yro boy.  I am sure he already felt bad about the incident, so next time skip the beating.
 
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