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(The Sun)   62-year-old man grabs 11-year-old boy who broke his window and frogmarches him to his parents. Guess who gets fined by the courts   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 188
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2013-02-28 10:50:50 PM  
"During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.
 
2013-02-28 11:51:43 PM  
Yeah, as a rule don't touch other people's kid in any fashion and never leave a mark even if the kid is yours.  I have been in the shoes of that 11 yro boy.  I am sure he already felt bad about the incident, so next time skip the beating.
 
2013-02-28 11:53:45 PM  
frogdammit!

:-/
 
2013-03-01 12:02:26 AM  
Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."
 
2013-03-01 12:02:39 AM  
This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.
 
2013-03-01 12:04:16 AM  

calbert: frogdammit!

:-/


Fartbama!
 
2013-03-01 12:28:17 AM  
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2013-03-01 12:29:03 AM  

dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."


You don't read any good books, then. All prisoners get frogmarched.
 
2013-03-01 12:41:53 AM  

UltimaCS: "During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.


I was wondering how the door handle happened to be at face level for the kid?
 
2013-03-01 12:43:48 AM  
It's cause when someone has you and won't let you go, if you drag your feet or kick, you look like a frog that's been caught.
 
2013-03-01 01:18:53 AM  
More: stupid, lessons, doorhandles
 
2013-03-01 01:24:31 AM  
Aaaaahh!!! their poor snowflake being held accountable for his actions!?!? Not if helio-parents can help it! God help us all.
 
2013-03-01 01:25:30 AM  
Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.
 
2013-03-01 01:25:57 AM  

log_jammin: More: stupid, lessons, doorhandles


I'm actually on the side of the grandad on this one. Bruise will heal, kid won't bother the guy anymore, problem solved.
 
2013-03-01 01:26:52 AM  

davidphogan: UltimaCS: "During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.

I was wondering how the door handle happened to be at face level for the kid?


Well, his ass must have been touching the ground as he walked, hence the term "frogmarching."

Bad guy from snatch.jpg
 
2013-03-01 01:29:18 AM  
Frog blast the vent core!
 
2013-03-01 01:29:24 AM  

davidphogan: UltimaCS: "During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.

I was wondering how the door handle happened to be at face level for the kid?


Or maybe the kid was one of those nasty Sackville-Bagginses
 
2013-03-01 01:29:34 AM  
Spare the rod spoil the child sue all Good Samaritans
 
2013-03-01 01:31:40 AM  
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2013-03-01 01:31:41 AM  

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.


Which increase in crime would that be?
 
2013-03-01 01:32:53 AM  
Oh, it's no world for an old man any longer. What sort of a world is it at all? Men on the moon, and men spinning around the earth, and there's not no attention paid to earthly law and order no more.
 
2013-03-01 01:35:15 AM  
What's a little vigilante justice between friends these days anyways?
 
2013-03-01 01:35:53 AM  
Throwing stones at my house..that kid would be shiatting stones

/that's a paddlin'
//especially if he lived in a glass house
 
2013-03-01 01:36:18 AM  

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?


No. Crime was rampant during the great depression, and everyone was beating everyone quite freely.
 
2013-03-01 01:36:23 AM  
FTA : In my day, the parents would have had a strong word with the child

Kids were raised by the U.N. 50 years ago?

Anyhoo... That ship has sailed, grampa. Just thank your fate you wont live to see the decline much further.
 
2013-03-01 01:37:22 AM  

miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?


Bingo
 
2013-03-01 01:40:26 AM  
Involving the frogs probably turned the court against him.
 
2013-03-01 01:40:31 AM  
Really, at 11 years old, it's too late for parenting to have a major effect on the kid. The kid's major behavior patterns are shaped by his peers once he's entered school. Parental involvement must have happened long before now.
 
2013-03-01 01:43:45 AM  
 
2013-03-01 01:43:56 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

No. Crime was rampant during the great depression, and everyone was beating everyone quite freely.


Yeah, but that's because there was no alcohol back then and gangsters ruled the streets. Once prohibition got repealed, crime decreased dramatically.

Also, people had like zero money. Having zero money makes me tipsy, doesn't it happen to you?

President Merkin Muffley: miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Bingo


miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?


Do you guys even watch the news? Crime is rampant and everywhere.
 
2013-03-01 01:45:37 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Oh, it's no world for an old man any longer. What sort of a world is it at all? Men on the moon, and men spinning around the earth, and there's not no attention paid to earthly law and order no more.


/ laughs maniacally while twirling cane...
// viddy well, brother?
 
2013-03-01 01:48:08 AM  

lack of warmth: I am sure he already felt bad about the incident,



Not likely.....he probably felt bad because he was caught.
 
2013-03-01 01:48:32 AM  
Lots of negroes.
 
2013-03-01 01:49:25 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Really, at 11 years old, it's too late for parenting to have a major effect on the kid. The kid's major behavior patterns are shaped by his peers once he's entered school. Parental involvement must have happened long before now.


Study cited:
http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~siegler/35patterson90.pdf
 
2013-03-01 01:54:52 AM  

rocky_howard: J. Frank Parnell: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

No. Crime was rampant during the great depression, and everyone was beating everyone quite freely.

Yeah, but that's because there was no alcohol back then and gangsters ruled the streets. Once prohibition got repealed, crime decreased dramatically.

Also, people had like zero money. Having zero money makes me tipsy, doesn't it happen to you?

President Merkin Muffley: miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Bingo

miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Do you guys even watch the news? Crime is rampant and everywhere.


So because 24 hour news cycle propagates fear mongering crime has gone up over the past 50 years? Obviously because the news is reporting more crime, there is more crime.

Excellent argument. If only the actual facts supported your case though. Crime, especially violent crime, has gone down dramatically since the "good ol' days" of child abuse.

There is an interesting connection between the shift away from leaded fuel and decreased crime, but that is beside the point. There is 0 indication that a good beating does anything but create a cycle of violence and fear.

I know this is a crazy position to take, but violence is bad. If you dont have good evidence that beating children does anything but harm, seriously stop advocating violence.
 
2013-03-01 01:55:34 AM  

rocky_howard: Do you guys even watch the news? Crime is rampant and everywhere.


I've spotted your problem - you're watching the news to find out what's going on. That's been sensationalist crap for decades.

Reporting on crime is way up, but actual crime has been steadily declining since the 90's.
 
2013-03-01 02:00:30 AM  
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2013-03-01 02:01:11 AM  

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.


As others have pointed out, your feeling that crime is increasing doesn't match reality. But in addition to that, if you were to consider hitting a child a crime (which depends on where you live), your solution would actually increase crime. Be the change.
 
2013-03-01 02:04:40 AM  
When I was about 14 I got popped in the face so hard by an old man it made my ears ring.

Thinking back on it now, he nearly knocked me out.  We'd made a fort out of stolen milk crates in the alley behind his house and dude was *pissed*.  Everybody else ran, I was stupid enough to try to explain to him the alley wasn't his property.  You tell him, tiger!

/ 14 is a year when life lessons come daily.
 
2013-03-01 02:05:35 AM  
Stupid old man.  That's what 55 gallon plastic drums and Hydroflouric Acid are for.

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2013-03-01 02:06:59 AM  
In Florida, he could have just shot him.
 
2013-03-01 02:08:05 AM  
The worst part is now that the little urchin has seen the old grownup get into trouble, that means urchin is in the right - and can therefore continue his hooliganism unchecked.

But the next old man might know where to hide a body. Just sayin'.
 
2013-03-01 02:10:57 AM  
The brat's dad called the cops on the old man.  So he must think what the kid did was ok.
Since the brat's dad thinks it's ok to throw rocks  at the windows of other peoples' homes, he shouldn't mind if other people throw rocks at the windows of his home.

Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.  So it should be no surprise there are so many of them getting involved in crimes from vandalism to murder.

If I did something like that and the guy frogmarched me home, my dad would have made sure I was punished.  That punishment would have involved a belt.  If I had broken a window, my parents would have taken any money I had and put it toward replacing the guy's window.  I knew this when I was a kid so that's why I never went around trying to break windows in people's homes.
 
2013-03-01 02:12:55 AM  

dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."


You don't read good Bushhateporn. Can't tell you how much I jizmed to the mental image of Karl Rove being frogmarched out of the White House for leaking Valerie Plame as CIA to punish her husband for saying the yellowcake in Niger was a lie. Enjoy your sequester, someone has to pay for the borrowing that financed the Iraq.
 
2013-03-01 02:16:44 AM  
What?

What negroes??

There aren't any in the article.
 
2013-03-01 02:18:38 AM  

Harry_Seldon: In Florida, he could have just shot him.


That's not true.  He would have to hand the boy a bag of Skittles first.
 
2013-03-01 02:18:41 AM  

PaLarkin: Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.


It's really too bad the old geezer wasn't raised to understand that if you do something wrong...like shove a kid into a doorknob...you'll get punished.
 
2013-03-01 02:24:39 AM  

PaLarkin: The brat's dad called the cops on the old man.  So he must think what the kid did was ok.
Since the brat's dad thinks it's ok to throw rocks  at the windows of other peoples' homes, he shouldn't mind if other people throw rocks at the windows of his home.

Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.  So it should be no surprise there are so many of them getting involved in crimes from vandalism to murder.

If I did something like that and the guy frogmarched me home, my dad would have made sure I was punished.  That punishment would have involved a belt.  If I had broken a window, my parents would have taken any money I had and put it toward replacing the guy's window.  I knew this when I was a kid so that's why I never went around trying to break windows in people's homes.


Since it's the UK, perhaps the dad was scared of being arrested for neglect if he  didn't call the cops on the old man. Condoning violence to a child and all.
 
2013-03-01 02:29:32 AM  
Okay, the boy was throwing several rocks at the old man's house.  I get that the old man was fined for accidentally harming the kid (who totally had it coming), but what about the throwing rocks at the house?  Shouldn't someone, either the boy or the boy's father, be fined for that?
 
2013-03-01 02:37:16 AM  

GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.


Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.
 
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