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(The Sun)   62-year-old man grabs 11-year-old boy who broke his window and frogmarches him to his parents. Guess who gets fined by the courts   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 188
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2013-03-01 12:26:10 PM  
I thought the Daily Fail had the royal monopoly on this kind of article?
 
2013-03-01 12:36:34 PM  

hasty ambush: CutBoard: whidbey: Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.

I can only hope that you get to the age when you learn the difference between right and wrong. Yeah, this kid needed to be "frogmarched to his parents" but, only after you had taken a good leather belt to whoop his ass.
Libertarians, gotta love'em, as they're too stupid to know the difference between right and wrong.

It is not a libertarian attitude but a government is the solution attitude.  The old man  attempted to get bootstrappy instead on relying on government and therefore had to be punished least some government employees be unable to justify their existence.


Yes, while I agree with you on some extent, yes, it is a libertarian attitude. IF you truly believe that it is a government situation, then, hopefully you want need that government intervention, in any way, shape or form in the near future. I for one hope that you don't. But, enough of that, even in your own bible it states "spare the rod, spoil the child." In my day and are, there was no one, and I mean no one, that wasn't willing to spare the rod. You got exactly what you deserved and thankfully we turned out to be ok......Now, ok, is a relative term. It's waaaaay better than the entitlement generation that we've turned out. So go ahead and think that this was too harsh. I for one believe that you needed that boot to the ass, way too long ago, but your parents didn't want to send mixed messages to you.
 
2013-03-01 01:01:45 PM  
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In the States we just shoot them.
 
2013-03-01 01:22:58 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Ahem... The Internet was around before 2000.

Just sayin'.


Of course, but it became mainstream in the late 90s, early 2000s. Videogames have existed since 1971, but it wasn't until the NES that it became really something. Sorry, the Atari was a fad. A cheap, bad, ugly fad. Or like computers, which have existed since the 50s but it was in the 90s that they massified. Or smartphones that have existed since the late 90s / early 2000s but only massified around 2008 and onwards.
 
2013-03-01 01:24:03 PM  

Goryus: ktybear: the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

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/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse

If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

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In other news, population of a country has been shown to increase over time.  More at 11:00.


Yeah, because the rate of increase in population and incarcerations is the same. Please take a statistic class before talking.
 
2013-03-01 01:24:30 PM  
Great, you're teaching your child to be an asshole...good parenting skills there.

Children as supposed to be yelled at and punish! They're learning to act like civilized individuals, not the simian little shiats they are born as, but way to go parents, be total dicks about teaching your kids responsibility.
 
2013-03-01 01:30:46 PM  
What frogmarching may look like:
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2013-03-01 01:44:31 PM  

rocky_howard: Sorry, the Atari was a fad. A cheap, bad, ugly fad.


Not sure why you think 30 Million consoles sold would be considered a "Fad".. True, the NES had double that (61 million), but I wouldn't call it a fad by any stretch of the imagination. The 2600 pretty much dominated the market until the NES was released in 1985.
 
2013-03-01 01:47:43 PM  

Cretony38: Aaaaahh!!! their poor snowflake being held accountable for his actions!?!? Not if helio-parents can help it! God help us all.


Same thing I thought until the whole "giving the kid a bruise on the eye" thing came up.
 
2013-03-01 01:51:14 PM  

Southern100: rocky_howard: Sorry, the Atari was a fad. A cheap, bad, ugly fad.

Not sure why you think 30 Million consoles sold would be considered a "Fad".. True, the NES had double that (61 million), but I wouldn't call it a fad by any stretch of the imagination. The 2600 pretty much dominated the market until the NES was released in 1985.


Nah, the Atari 2600 crashed and burned in 1983. And it was a fad because the games were extremely simplistic and shiatty. Sure, I played them, but I'm an outlier since I've been in love with videogames since I was born lol. But it was even worse than the Wii in its time and people make fun of the Wii for being a fad.
 
2013-03-01 01:54:00 PM  
Also, even if you don't think it was a fad, it didn't even have close to the engagement the NES caused. NES caused an incredible level of self-identification with the games. Something that didn't really happen with the 2600. Blame cute character design, we all fell in love with Mario, Mega-Man, Link, Simon Belmont, Hero from Dragon Warrior, etc. The 2600 was mostly blocks with zero identity. Character design makes all the difference in the world, man.
 
2013-03-01 02:13:06 PM  

CutBoard: hasty ambush: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.

By all means get the kid a police record and cost the tax payers  some money for matter use to have been setttled  between the old man and kids parents without having to get government involved.

So now in typical big government fashion the victim is punished and now doubt the kis will go onto a future life of crime as an adult-if he survives his youth as a thug.

So in one hand you don't want the government involved, but, hey, it's okay if they do. That way they have a full knowledge of the governemnt system and we should by all means pay our tax dollars to deal with this when a good ol' leather belt would have done just fine. So to summarize, let's spend thousands of dollars on this, when a nice 10 piece of leather would have done the same. Hope you're children learn valuable things when they are in "time out" in their rooms, whilst they have TV, Computers, Internet, and nummerous things to do while they're in there in their "time out". Wow, you taught them, I'd hate to have been a kid in your household. Moran.


I don't think  you understood what I was saying.  I don't think government should be involved and who in the heck said anything about timeout?  I favor the leather strap, or  my mom's favorite a hot wheels track.
 
2013-03-01 02:13:41 PM  

dittybopper: darthaegis:
The guy didn't dole out punishment.  No one is arguing that he intentionally hurt the kid, not even the kid's parents.  He merely returned him to his parents.  The kid got a bruise in the process.  Big farkin' deal.


Nah, that's right... He 'accidentally' pushed the child into the door handle hard enough to cause a bruise under his eye.  He assaulted a kid and, no matter how justified he felt, it was wrong.

GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

 
2013-03-01 02:41:53 PM  

rocky_howard: Also, even if you don't think it was a fad, it didn't even have close to the engagement the NES caused. NES caused an incredible level of self-identification with the games. Something that didn't really happen with the 2600. Blame cute character design, we all fell in love with Mario, Mega-Man, Link, Simon Belmont, Hero from Dragon Warrior, etc. The 2600 was mostly blocks with zero identity. Character design makes all the difference in the world, man.


Well, the 2600 had many popular games, like PacMan, but you have to understand the 2600 was released in 1977. The NES wasn't released until *8 years later*; that's like comparing the NES to the Sony Playstation, or a 12mhz 286 to a Pentium 5. Of course the graphics are going to be better on a 3rd generation console. :)

(The 2600 was a 2nd generation console; Games like "Pong" were considered 1st generation).

Just imagine where we'll be in another 8-10 years..

Sorry folks, I know we got a little offtopic on this one. :)
 
2013-03-01 02:52:33 PM  

dittybopper: darthaegis: GoldSpider: To the people here who are calling this guy a criminal, how do YOU think this kid's behavior is best corrected?

When I ran into a similar incident.  I went to the parents and didn't touch the kid, even though I wanted to slap the shiat out of him.
The child's father took care of it.

You want to dole out the punishment cuz you all mad?  Expect to be treated like the criminal you are.

The days of, "I've been wronged so I'll wrong you back till I feel satisfied," are gone.

The guy didn't dole out punishment.  No one is arguing that he intentionally hurt the kid, not even the kid's parents.  He merely returned him to his parents.  The kid got a bruise in the process.  Big farkin' deal.


This, so far, I haven't read in the article where he tossed the kid on a doorknob. Presumably he fell while squirming near a door.
 
2013-03-01 02:54:23 PM  

Southern100: Well, the 2600 had many popular games, like PacMan, but you have to understand the 2600 was released in 1977. The NES wasn't released until *8 years later*; that's like comparing the NES to the Sony Playstation, or a 12mhz 286 to a Pentium 5. Of course the graphics are going to be better on a 3rd generation console. :)


Oh I understand, but that's my point, pre-NES we didn't really have an engagement with videogames. We played them like we played board games. Heck, there wasn't even a story besides racking up more points. With the NES we got stories and with stories came the engagement.
 
2013-03-01 02:58:15 PM  

hasty ambush: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.

By all means get the kid a police record and cost the tax payers  some money for matter use to have been setttled  between the old man and kids parents without having to get government involved.


Yes, "use to have been".  Apparently that's not acceptable any longer.  You can't touch a kid and their parents don't want to hear it. So, cops. Fark 'em!
 
2013-03-01 02:58:56 PM  

rocky_howard: Also, even if you don't think it was a fad, it didn't even have close to the engagement the NES caused. NES caused an incredible level of self-identification with the games. Something that didn't really happen with the 2600. Blame cute character design, we all fell in love with Mario, Mega-Man, Link, Simon Belmont, Hero from Dragon Warrior, etc. The 2600 was mostly blocks with zero identity. Character design makes all the difference in the world, man.


A generation grew up to be like general custer.

Pitfall Harry led me to believe that I too, could jump on a croc's snout.
 
2013-03-01 03:01:14 PM  
The boy's dad said: "My son was really intimidated. He was left with a bruise under his eye after this man lost his temper."
 If he was any kind of father he would have thanked the old man and gave the kid a matching bruise on his backside.
 
2013-03-01 03:01:33 PM  

rocky_howard: Southern100: Well, the 2600 had many popular games, like PacMan, but you have to understand the 2600 was released in 1977. The NES wasn't released until *8 years later*; that's like comparing the NES to the Sony Playstation, or a 12mhz 286 to a Pentium 5. Of course the graphics are going to be better on a 3rd generation console. :)

Oh I understand, but that's my point, pre-NES we didn't really have an engagement with videogames. We played them like we played board games. Heck, there wasn't even a story besides racking up more points. With the NES we got stories and with stories came the engagement.


Warlords had a story, as did Sword quest and Spike's Peak. In fact, you had to read the goddamned manual just to find out why, for instance you were a pair of eyes lurking around a haunted house, looking for pieces of a funerary urn.
 
2013-03-01 03:05:01 PM  

Fano: Warlords had a story, as did Sword quest and Spike's Peak. In fact, you had to read the goddamned manual just to find out why, for instance you were a pair of eyes lurking around a haunted house, looking for pieces of a funerary urn.


Fano: A generation grew up to be like general custer.

Pitfall Harry led me to believe that I too, could jump on a croc's snout.


Notice you're mentioning the utmost exceptions? :P
 
2013-03-01 03:18:38 PM  

rocky_howard: Fano: Warlords had a story, as did Sword quest and Spike's Peak. In fact, you had to read the goddamned manual just to find out why, for instance you were a pair of eyes lurking around a haunted house, looking for pieces of a funerary urn.

Fano: A generation grew up to be like general custer.

Pitfall Harry led me to believe that I too, could jump on a croc's snout.

Notice you're mentioning the utmost exceptions? :P


I think they spent more time on the box art and the manuals than they did the games. Star Raiders I'm sure had an explanation for why you were shooting TIE fighters, and even Yar's Revenge came with a comic book. You had to have some reason to differentiate pacman clones and space shooters from each other.

This debate is more interesting than asking whether The Sun would dramatise a story about brats.
 
2013-03-01 03:32:57 PM  

PaLarkin: Krieghund: PaLarkin: Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.

It's really too bad the old geezer wasn't raised to understand that if you do something wrong...like shove a kid into a doorknob...you'll get punished.

Sounds like you're saying it was ok for the kid to  throw rocks at the guy's windows.  I say the kid deserved what happened to him.  If he doesn't like it, don't go around throwing rocks at other peoples' windows.


Please put the part where I said that in bold.

/I thought "two wrongs don't make a right" was such a cliche that everyone understood it
//I guess I was wrong.
 
2013-03-01 04:35:54 PM  

Kevin72: . Enjoy your sequester, someone has to pay for the borrowing that financed the Iraq.


Way too thread-jack. But if you are going to do it at least be truthful:

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"When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you're paying a price for this war." - Barack Obama March 2008

"Applying that same standard to means-tested welfare spending reveals that welfare will cost each household $560 per month in 2009 and $638 per month in 2010."

In FY 2011, federal spending on means-tested welfare, plus state contributions to federal programs reached $940 billion per year. The federal share will come to around $695 billion, or 74 percent, while state spending will be around $250 billion, or 26 percent.

Combined federal and state means-tested welfare is now the second-largest category of overall government spending in the nation. It is exceeded only by the combined cost of Social Security and Medicare. Welfare spending is greater than the cost of public education and is greater than spending on national defense.

Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, government has spent $15.9 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars) on means-tested welfare. In comparison, the cost of all other wars in U.S. history was $6.4 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars).

Means-tested spending on cash, food, and housing increased more rapidly (196 percent) than Social Security (174 percent). The growth in means-tested medical spending (448 percent) exceeded the growth in Medicare (376 percent).[2] The growth in means-tested aid greatly exceeded the growth in government spending on education (143 percent) and defense (126 percent).

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2013-03-01 04:36:55 PM  
You objected to the concept of the little brat punished for what he did.  I disagree with the notion that what the old man did was wrong.  It seems reasonable to me that the minor injury sustained by the kid was accidental.  The man is forcing him home, the kid is struggling and in the process hit something and hurt himself.

The old man has likely seen kids getting away with vandalism for most of his life.  By now he's sick and damm tired of the brats getting away with it. He worked for years to buy that home.  He earned the money then some little brat comes along and tries to destroy what he's worked so hard to own.

It's too bad the brat wasn't in Texas or Florida when he decided to attempt breaking windows in someone's home.
 
2013-03-01 05:27:59 PM  

CutBoard: whidbey: Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.

I can only hope that you get to the age when you learn the difference between right and wrong.


You what now?

Yeah, this kid needed to be "frogmarched to his parents" but, only after you had taken a good leather belt to whoop his ass.
Libertarians, gotta love'em, as they're too stupid to know the difference between right and wrong.


Did you respond to the wrong person?  I am not a libertarian by any means, and I think the person who took the law into his own hands here got what he deserved.
 
2013-03-01 05:35:37 PM  

GoldSpider: The Snow Dog: Go to or call the parents.

"Not MY little snowflake!"

The Snow Dog: He should've just stuck with verbal intimidation

Yeah, that will get that window replaced.


You are a moron.

I didn't say yell at him and then let the matter lie, dumbass. You yell, "Come here!" Then you go talk to the parents-just like I outlined in the post you cherry-picked that quote from. Mr. ASS (umption), IF the window was broken-which the article was not clear about--THAT'S how you get it fixed. Why do you think touching kids is a requirement to be reimbursed?

/Pffffft! LOL!
 
2013-03-01 06:02:50 PM  
hasty ambush I'll admit that my tangent could be construed as a threadjack if you'll admit that the majority of Iraq financing was achieved by BORROWING so that it wouldn't count as SPENDING.That trillion and a half down the rathole is 50 grand per capita, but fu(k the per capita getting a c-note of food stamps or unemployment.
 
2013-03-01 08:44:47 PM  

rocky_howard: Do you think it's coincidental that crime starts going down once videogames become a heavy aspect of our society? And do you think is coincidental that crime starts to really go down once the Internet goes mainstream? Nope. Crime is down because we have other avenues to capture the kids attention,


Oh wait, you're serious....let me laugh even harder.

If you think those account for crime rates over the general US population you need to just go back to your fantasy world of video games and internet porn.
 
2013-03-01 08:58:55 PM  

Happy Hours: rocky_howard: Do you think it's coincidental that crime starts going down once videogames become a heavy aspect of our society? And do you think is coincidental that crime starts to really go down once the Internet goes mainstream? Nope. Crime is down because we have other avenues to capture the kids attention,

Oh wait, you're serious....let me laugh even harder.

If you think those account for crime rates over the general US population you need to just go back to your fantasy world of video games and internet porn.


Tell me why they don't. Oh wait, you can't and you're just being a contrarian.
 
2013-03-01 09:07:18 PM  

Branniganslaw: [www.mrtees.com image 310x310]


lets just say "I know some kids", CPS, [redacted issues], therapy, and never will be 'right'.
 
2013-03-01 09:47:34 PM  

rocky_howard: Nah, the Atari 2600 crashed and burned in 1983. And it was a fad because the games were extremely simplistic and shiatty.


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2013-03-02 02:48:47 AM  
Jesus farking Christ. How many of you dipshiats  still  think this asshole is some kind of "hero?"

Fark his bullshiat.
 
2013-03-02 04:03:24 AM  

hasty ambush: "When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you're paying a price for this war." - Barack Obama March 2008

"Applying that same standard to means-tested welfare spending reveals that welfare will cost each household $560 per month in 2009 and $638 per month in 2010."


*Raises hand.*

Just wanted to point out that welfare is good for the US and worth a tax hike, while the Iraq war was unnecessary and did no good at all. Not for the US taxpayers, anyway.
 
2013-03-02 12:35:49 PM  

Uncle Tractor: hasty ambush: "When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you're paying a price for this war." - Barack Obama March 2008

"Applying that same standard to means-tested welfare spending reveals that welfare will cost each household $560 per month in 2009 and $638 per month in 2010."

*Raises hand.*

Just wanted to point out that welfare is good for the US and worth a tax hike, while the Iraq war was unnecessary and did no good at all. Not for the US taxpayers, anyway.


If by good you mean creating a multi-generational dependency class then I guess yes it would be called "good" .  But if welfare were so great then places like Detroit would be economic boom towns  wouldn't they?

On the other hand what is the economic benefit in terms of jobs etc  with building ships, jets, cruise missiles, and JDAMS per dollar spent vs. food stamps and TANF?
 
2013-03-02 01:02:17 PM  

Darke: /i actually agree with the original comment here. I think a good swat is what some kids need. Obviously this changes kid to kid, but you're not trying to hurt them. You're trying to get their attention.


I prefer to threaten them with a rectal thermometer. They hate the taste.
 
2013-03-02 02:55:00 PM  

hasty ambush: If by good you mean creating a multi-generational dependency class then I guess yes it would be called "good" .  But if welfare were so great then places like Detroit would be economic boom towns  wouldn't they?


"Welfare" doesn't mean "free handouts" ...shouldn't mean that, anyway. Welfare means not having to worry about ruinous medical bills, worrying about whether you can afford to give your kids a proper education, worrying about how you'll pay your bills while you're looking for a job, and so on.

On the other hand what is the economic benefit in terms of jobs etc  with building ships, jets, cruise missiles, and JDAMS per dollar spent vs. food stamps and TANF?

Not anywhere near enough to make up for the damage.
 
2013-03-02 03:02:16 PM  
So, Joe Wilson thinks Richard Armitage should be frogmarched down PA Ave now?
 
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