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(The Sun)   62-year-old man grabs 11-year-old boy who broke his window and frogmarches him to his parents. Guess who gets fined by the courts   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 188
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2013-03-01 08:29:45 AM  
Years ago (2002 maybe) I was house-sitting for my parents (in the UK). Looked out of the window one day to see a bunch of kids in the garden, one of which was uprooting my mom's flowers, just for the hell of it. I ran outside and managed to grab the little shiat. All the others escaped.

I was pissed. Had happened multiple times usually when it was dark and it gets frustrating to find your garden ruined. I took him to the police station a couple of miles away. Desk sergeant got all pissy with me right off the bat, telling me I could be arrested for abduction & other such shiat. It was somewhat of an empty threat then, though. Maybe not now. He was more pissed about me leaving the kid there and the cops having to take this kid home.

I got back to my parents house to find the kid's mother in my driveway. She started screaming at me as soon as I got out of my car. Kid's older brother had been in the group that got away. I told the mom her son was @ copshop and she could go fark herself. I went inside as she screamed at me.

/would probably get arrested today for that.
//farkin' bastages
 
2013-03-01 08:30:14 AM  

buckler: dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."

For real? Grab a kid, tie his hands behind his back, lift his wrists to force him to walk. Now you're frogmarching!


Wtf? Go full nelson with a suplex into a submission hold
 
2013-03-01 08:34:22 AM  
The one that actually committed assault?
 
2013-03-01 08:39:00 AM  
To the people here who are calling this guy a criminal, how do YOU think this kid's behavior is best corrected?
 
2013-03-01 08:39:33 AM  
"It's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs. And trust me, when I use that name, I measure my words."

Joe Wilson
 
2013-03-01 08:41:27 AM  
for the nteenth time.. no matter how farking right you THINK you are, vigilante justice is unacceptable.
 
2013-03-01 08:42:27 AM  
It is interesting to see an unusual set of folks embracing the concept that "it takes a village". Glad you all came around, though it's a shame, but not a surprise, that your inspiration was a violent assault by an adult on a child.
 
2013-03-01 08:43:58 AM  

TerminalEchoes: GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.


The country is doing nothing of the such. Authoritarians are just realizing that it's not the 1950's anymore and people are questioning "authority" and expressing free will at ever increasing rates. And that frightens authoritarians.
 
2013-03-01 08:45:08 AM  

TheOriginalEd: for the nteenth time.. no matter how farking right you THINK you are, vigilante justice is unacceptable.


So....  call the police, who have all kinds of free time to deal with a kid vandal, and will tell you as much?
 
2013-03-01 08:46:47 AM  
CtrlAltDestroy:  Authoritarians are just realizing that it's not the 1950's anymore and people are questioning "authority" and expressing free will at ever increasing rates.

Ahh yes, another liberated young man "questioning authority."
 
2013-03-01 08:47:00 AM  

dittybopper: The Snow Dog: And why do I think it happened like that? Because the kid didn't run. Unless the old guy is a sprinter or the kid is abnormally slow: there's no way that dude is catching an 11-year-old.

Unless, of course, the old guy was around the corner doing gardening or something, and the 11 year old didn't know he was there, and he managed to sneak up on him.

Or, if is as increasingly the case in the UK, the kid is obese.  A fit man in his 60's could catch someone like that.

Or unless the kid froze when he got caught, or was intimidated into not moving.  CSB follows:  Last year, a car came around the corner where I live and knocked down my mailbox.  My neighbor up the street was outside at the time, saw it happen, and she boldly stepped out into the road, forced the car to stop, and then she had the balls to make the driver (a man in his mid-20's) hand her the keys until the police arrived.

Never underestimate the ability of a mature person to intimidate a younger one into compliance, especially after the younger person was just caught doing something they know is wrong.


All I'm saying is that the kids (or adults) I know that truly seem to be "lost causes" would've beat feet (or in your case, driven away). Do they deserve punishment? Sure do. But at the point where they submit all need for rough treatment / manhandling is gone. Call the police. Talk to their parents.

And you're right kids aren't as fast these days, often. I think the guy likely knew or at least recognized the kid, though. If that is the case there should be no need to physically touch the kid. Go to or call the parents. He didn't call the cops, so it sounds like he wasn't TRYING to be a huge ass about it. Hell, the kid might've even stumbled of his own accord, but we won't ever know. But because he was touching the kid he opened himself up to liability. He should've just stuck with verbal intimidation, physical crosses the line (especially where kids are involved).
 
2013-03-01 08:51:09 AM  

The Snow Dog: Go to or call the parents.


"Not MY little snowflake!"

The Snow Dog: He should've just stuck with verbal intimidation


Yeah, that will get that window replaced.
 
kab
2013-03-01 08:58:52 AM  
The boy's dad said: "My son was really intimidated. He was left with a bruise under his eye after this man lost his temper."

Oh noes, your precious snowflake met opposition after throwing rocks at other people's houses.

An absolute tragedy, I tell you.
 
2013-03-01 09:07:33 AM  

doglover: HaywoodJablonski: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

9/10

Crime is down.
Beatings are down.

That's because of the decrease in pirates.


morale is great.

/i actually agree with the original comment here. I think a good swat is what some kids need. Obviously this changes kid to kid, but you're not trying to hurt them. You're trying to get their attention.
//my sister does the whole 'talk to them, go sit in the corner' bit and her kid is a terror and completely ignores everything she says.
///i got hit as a kid and i turned out pretty well, if i do say so myself.
 
2013-03-01 09:09:42 AM  

Darke: /i actually agree with the original comment here. I think a good swat is what some kids need. Obviously this changes kid to kid, but you're not trying to hurt them. You're trying to get their attention.
//my sister does the whole 'talk to them, go sit in the corner' bit and her kid is a terror and completely ignores everything she says.
///i got hit as a kid and i turned out pretty well, if i do say so myself.


Corporal punishment, I believe, only works when it's used sparingly, on the REALLY bad stuff.  Like intentionally damaging someone's property.
 
2013-03-01 09:17:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Really, at 11 years old, it's too late for parenting to have a major effect on the kid. The kid's major behavior patterns are shaped by his peers once he's entered school. Parental involvement must have happened long before now.


exactly why situations like this call for post-birth abortion
 
2013-03-01 09:20:26 AM  

GoldSpider: Darke: /i actually agree with the original comment here. I think a good swat is what some kids need. Obviously this changes kid to kid, but you're not trying to hurt them. You're trying to get their attention.
//my sister does the whole 'talk to them, go sit in the corner' bit and her kid is a terror and completely ignores everything she says.
///i got hit as a kid and i turned out pretty well, if i do say so myself.

Corporal punishment, I believe, only works when it's used sparingly, on the REALLY bad stuff.  Like intentionally damaging someone's property.


Sure, but I think if you establish dominance first, you can prevent a lot of problems. At one point, my mom wrote my name and my brother's name on a pingpong paddle when I was a kid.  Intimidating as hell - and she never had to use it.
 
2013-03-01 09:23:28 AM  

stellarossa: Years ago (2002 maybe) I was house-sitting for my parents (in the UK). Looked out of the window one day to see a bunch of kids in the garden, one of which was uprooting my mom's flowers, just for the hell of it. I ran outside and managed to grab the little shiat. All the others escaped.

I was pissed. Had happened multiple times usually when it was dark and it gets frustrating to find your garden ruined. I took him to the police station a couple of miles away. Desk sergeant got all pissy with me right off the bat, telling me I could be arrested for abduction & other such shiat. It was somewhat of an empty threat then, though. Maybe not now. He was more pissed about me leaving the kid there and the cops having to take this kid home.

I got back to my parents house to find the kid's mother in my driveway. She started screaming at me as soon as I got out of my car. Kid's older brother had been in the group that got away. I told the mom her son was @ copshop and she could go fark herself. I went inside as she screamed at me.

/would probably get arrested today for that.
//farkin' bastages


Nice.

CSB time.
I lived with my mom who was in a wheelchair until i finished college. Sometimes we would get ding dong ditched multiple times. It always scared my mom.. and she cant chase after anyone doing that.

So I sprang out the door next time it happened and caught the two bastards. I tackled one into the grass and the other gave up running since they were brothers. Took them to their parents which was one apartment complex away and said to their parents they were being douches.

/Didn't throw them into the door handles though
//Never happened again
/end csb
 
2013-03-01 09:24:19 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: The USA is the greatest nation in the world by a large margin


Beg to differ
 
2013-03-01 09:32:39 AM  

NameDot: AverageAmericanGuy: Really, at 11 years old, it's too late for parenting to have a major effect on the kid. The kid's major behavior patterns are shaped by his peers once he's entered school. Parental involvement must have happened long before now.

exactly why situations like this call for post-birth abortion


Same here, except it was a solid oak paddle with a red bullseye painted on it.  Never had to be used.
 
2013-03-01 09:43:01 AM  

ktybear: the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse

If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x234]



My graphs are per 100k population. Your graphs are the total number with no adjustment for population growth.

If you still can't figure it out, ask a 3rd grader.
 
2013-03-01 09:44:05 AM  
....precious snowflake....
 
2013-03-01 09:47:45 AM  
Frogmarching, what a wonderful word for such a horrible thing.

For a second there I thought he made him high-kick and sing "Hello my darlin' hello my honey hello my ragtime gaaaaaaaal" all the way home.  The actual definition is much more menacing.
 
2013-03-01 09:50:14 AM  

TerminalEchoes: GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.


and they keep voting Democrat...
 
2013-03-01 09:59:06 AM  
lol @ england
 
2013-03-01 10:06:45 AM  

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.


Crime is dropping in every category though.
 
2013-03-01 10:24:00 AM  

Krieghund: PaLarkin: Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.

It's really too bad the old geezer wasn't raised to understand that if you do something wrong...like shove a kid into a doorknob...you'll get punished.


Sounds like you're saying it was ok for the kid to  throw rocks at the guy's windows.  I say the kid deserved what happened to him.  If he doesn't like it, don't go around throwing rocks at other peoples' windows.
 
2013-03-01 10:25:54 AM  

bingethinker: Find out where this judge lives. Break a window in his house every day for the next year.


Agreed.  Where's Ernest T. Bass when we need him?
 
2013-03-01 10:29:14 AM  

DoctorCal: It is interesting to see an unusual set of folks embracing the concept that "it takes a village".


It takes a village to make a village idiot
 
2013-03-01 10:29:21 AM  

No Time To Explain: Another pretty snowflake article

/seriously, I'm surprised the kid didn't get an ass whopping there on the spot


Welcome to the 21st century where society lets the little bastards get away with everything and acts surprised when they turn their violent tendencies toward people.
 
2013-03-01 10:30:14 AM  

the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse


I love how you post a fancy graph and think your argument is flawless, but no.

Check this out.

i.imgur.com

Do you think we beat our kid LESS in 1960 than in 1980? Clearly not. Notice how the increase in crime is related to the increase of presence of Child Services.
Yes, crime is down NOW, but NOW we have more options for kids to entertain themselves and not turn out to be criminals. If I had told you this in 1990 you'd have no choice but to agree that decrease in beatings = increase of crime. Do you think it's coincidental that crime starts going down once videogames become a heavy aspect of our society? And do you think is coincidental that crime starts to really go down once the Internet goes mainstream? Nope. Crime is down because we have other avenues to capture the kids attention, but the prevalent damage of not beating your kids when they need to is still there, it just moved from crime to being a precious asshole snowflake. You can agree kids today are much bigger snowflakes than in the past, no? Exactly. Their petulance just moved to another area.

Again, it's not that you cripple the kid and leave scars on him and not that you satiate the anger of your failed existence by punching your kid, no, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about that when the kid does something bad enough, you, with no emotion whatsoever (because then he learns that you're not in control), smack him across the face. A well placed slap that teaches him that bad deeds have consequences and he should try to behave.
 
2013-03-01 10:33:35 AM  
Oh and per the graphic, even though crime is lower than in the 80s, it's still double of what it was in the 60s, so you can't still say beating kids doesn't work. Of course it's gonna be down because life was shiatty during the 80s. Also crack kids are down. Read Freakonomics, it talks about it there. Roe vs. Wade caused the unintended consequence of reducing crime because lower class families didn't have to give birth to all of the kids they produced and could abort them.

If you take the 80s crack/drug explosion out of the picture, you'll see that crime HAS been increasing from the 60s to the 2010s.
 
m00
2013-03-01 10:33:38 AM  

ktybear: If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?


war on drugs
 
2013-03-01 10:34:22 AM  

Gelatinous: If only they had both had guns, maybe we'd have been lucky and they'd both be dead instead.


Agreed.  The U.K. would be better off without the dad and his little brat.
 
2013-03-01 10:39:15 AM  

GoldSpider: To the people here who are calling this guy a criminal, how do YOU think this kid's behavior is best corrected?


When I ran into a similar incident.  I went to the parents and didn't touch the kid, even though I wanted to slap the shiat out of him.
The child's father took care of it.

You want to dole out the punishment cuz you all mad?  Expect to be treated like the criminal you are.

The days of, "I've been wronged so I'll wrong you back till I feel satisfied," are gone.
 
2013-03-01 10:44:40 AM  

darthaegis: The child's father took care of it.


Those days are gone too.
 
2013-03-01 10:48:23 AM  

darthaegis: GoldSpider: To the people here who are calling this guy a criminal, how do YOU think this kid's behavior is best corrected?

When I ran into a similar incident.  I went to the parents and didn't touch the kid, even though I wanted to slap the shiat out of him.
The child's father took care of it.

You want to dole out the punishment cuz you all mad?  Expect to be treated like the criminal you are.

The days of, "I've been wronged so I'll wrong you back till I feel satisfied," are gone.


The guy didn't dole out punishment.  No one is arguing that he intentionally hurt the kid, not even the kid's parents.  He merely returned him to his parents.  The kid got a bruise in the process.  Big farkin' deal.
 
2013-03-01 11:07:37 AM  
Humans, like most other animals, learn quickest through the pain response.
 
2013-03-01 11:10:16 AM  

doglover: dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."

You don't read any good books, then. All prisoners get frogmarched.


Any books with style anyway.
 
2013-03-01 11:21:57 AM  
Could have been worse, like maybe if it happened in Florida and the old guy was standing his ground.
 
2013-03-01 11:26:23 AM  

hasty ambush: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.

By all means get the kid a police record and cost the tax payers  some money for matter use to have been setttled  between the old man and kids parents without having to get government involved.

So now in typical big government fashion the victim is punished and now doubt the kis will go onto a future life of crime as an adult-if he survives his youth as a thug.


So in one hand you don't want the government involved, but, hey, it's okay if they do. That way they have a full knowledge of the governemnt system and we should by all means pay our tax dollars to deal with this when a good ol' leather belt would have done just fine. So to summarize, let's spend thousands of dollars on this, when a nice 10 piece of leather would have done the same. Hope you're children learn valuable things when they are in "time out" in their rooms, whilst they have TV, Computers, Internet, and nummerous things to do while they're in there in their "time out". Wow, you taught them, I'd hate to have been a kid in your household. Moran.
 
2013-03-01 11:30:27 AM  
More abortions = less child beating = freakonomics
 
2013-03-01 11:31:32 AM  

CutBoard: hasty ambush: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.



oh, and did I forget to mention, you really need a set of testicals, to be able to deal with these horrible bad kids to actually take them and talk to their parents about what they did. Calling the guys that actually have these danglers had to be the only way to deal with them. Gutless Wonder
 
2013-03-01 11:44:06 AM  
Ahem... The Internet was around before 2000.

Just sayin'.
 
2013-03-01 12:01:13 PM  
He had to manhandle the brat.  It's as if his parents were going to do anything about it.  Shiat, my mother would have given me some smacks for that garbage, which is why I never did crap like that as a kid.
 
2013-03-01 12:14:32 PM  

Caffandtranqs: He had to manhandle the brat.  It's as if his parents were going to do anything about it.  Shiat, my mother would have given me some smacks for that garbage, which is why I never did crap like that as a kid.


*It's NOT as if his parents......
 
2013-03-01 12:15:20 PM  

GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.


This.

Setting the parents on fire because they screwed up raising a child would be okay, though -- and in fact, recommended, so that they don't produce any more poorly-behaving parasites with the same zero-sum choices.  But leave the child out of it.
 
2013-03-01 12:15:53 PM  
Just one side of the story? An unimpeachable source like The Sun? Yep, let's all get good and outraged.

He smacked an 11 year old's face off a door handle, narrowly missing his eye.
 
2013-03-01 12:19:00 PM  

ktybear: the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse

If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x234]


In other news, population of a country has been shown to increase over time.  More at 11:00.
 
2013-03-01 12:20:57 PM  

nerftaig: rocky_howard: J. Frank Parnell: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

No. Crime was rampant during the great depression, and everyone was beating everyone quite freely.

Yeah, but that's because there was no alcohol back then and gangsters ruled the streets. Once prohibition got repealed, crime decreased dramatically.

Also, people had like zero money. Having zero money makes me tipsy, doesn't it happen to you?

President Merkin Muffley: miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Bingo

miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Do you guys even watch the news? Crime is rampant and everywhere.

So because 24 hour news cycle propagates fear mongering crime has gone up over the past 50 years? Obviously because the news is reporting more crime, there is more crime.

Excellent argument. If only the actual facts supported your case though. Crime, especially violent crime, has gone down dramatically since the "good ol' days" of child abuse.

There is an interesting connection between the shift away from leaded fuel and decreased crime, but that is beside the point. There is 0 indication that a good beating does anything but create a cycle of violence and fear.

I know this is a crazy position to take, but violence is bad. If you dont have good evidence that beating children does anything but harm, seriously s ...


It is a crazy position to take. Nothing has solved more problems than violence.
 
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