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(The Sun)   62-year-old man grabs 11-year-old boy who broke his window and frogmarches him to his parents. Guess who gets fined by the courts   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 188
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2013-03-01 02:40:10 AM

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?


i.imgur.com
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse
 
2013-03-01 02:42:11 AM
The old guy should have used the "medical condition" defense...
 
2013-03-01 02:48:52 AM
Find out where this judge lives. Break a window in his house every day for the next year.
 
2013-03-01 03:09:14 AM

dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."


That's where you give someone a top hat and a cane and make them sing "Hello! Ma Baby".
 
2013-03-01 03:20:54 AM
I could understand a hearty "Get off my lawn!", returning fire with rocks, or maybe even calling the cops, but when the kid ends up with a black eye, obviously you've just caused problems for yourself. I would also like to point out that nowhere in TFA does it say that a window was broken.
 
2013-03-01 03:23:28 AM

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.


9/10

Crime is down.
Beatings are down.
 
2013-03-01 03:24:38 AM
Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.
 
2013-03-01 03:25:37 AM

TerminalEchoes: GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.


Do you own and use a passport? I'm guessing not. The USA is the greatest nation in the world by a large margin
 
2013-03-01 03:28:36 AM

HaywoodJablonski: TerminalEchoes: GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.

Do you own and use a passport? I'm guessing not. The USA is the greatest nation in the world by a large margin


Sorry, I was pretty bummed when I came back from Sweden.
 
2013-03-01 03:31:02 AM

HaywoodJablonski: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

9/10

Crime is down.
Beatings are down.


That's because of the decrease in pirates.
 
2013-03-01 03:34:42 AM

PaLarkin: The brat's dad called the cops on the old man.  So he must think what the kid did was ok.
Since the brat's dad thinks it's ok to throw rocks  at the windows of other peoples' homes, he shouldn't mind if other people throw rocks at the windows of his home.

Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.  So it should be no surprise there are so many of them getting involved in crimes from vandalism to murder.

If I did something like that and the guy frogmarched me home, my dad would have made sure I was punished.  That punishment would have involved a belt.  If I had broken a window, my parents would have taken any money I had and put it toward replacing the guy's window.  I knew this when I was a kid so that's why I never went around trying to break windows in people's homes.


You realize that the logic in your first two sentences does not follow, right? And that the article doesn't back up your claim in any way? And your second paragraph reeks of uninformed opinion (and grump-based bullshiat)? And your third paragraph is a hypothetical CSB?

Did you watch Gran Torino and complain about that young whippersnapper Eastwood going too easy on those kids?
 
2013-03-01 03:38:13 AM

vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.


Here in the US, the cops would probably follow up after you called.  In the UK they'd ignore the problem since doing anything would require they get off their banger fueled fat asses.
 
2013-03-01 03:39:56 AM
If only they had both had guns, maybe we'd have been lucky and they'd both be dead instead.
 
2013-03-01 03:42:03 AM

dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."


For real? Grab a kid, tie his hands behind his back, lift his wrists to force him to walk. Now you're frogmarching!
 
2013-03-01 03:43:07 AM
"Oh no! Your 11 year old son massacred my family with a machinegun! Since he's just 11 years old (which is a magic number that lets anyone be irresponsible without punishment), I will just let this slip and maybe gives you $20,000 compensation for the trauma inflicted on your murderous child after he killed my family."
 
2013-03-01 03:48:38 AM
Another pretty snowflake article

/seriously, I'm surprised the kid didn't get an ass whopping there on the spot
 
2013-03-01 03:54:39 AM

UltimaCS: "During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.


Yeah.  Frog-marching him to his parents is one thing, pushing him into a door handle is another.
 
2013-03-01 04:00:36 AM
A grown man came into physical contact with an 11 year old. He's very lucky to have not ended up on a sex offenders' register.
 
2013-03-01 04:10:35 AM

Glendale: Frog blast the vent core!


Nostalgia ...

/get off my lawn
 
2013-03-01 04:12:33 AM
It's The Sun, so it might be true.
 
2013-03-01 04:24:38 AM
Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.
 
2013-03-01 04:26:36 AM
Everybody is frogmarching and cornholing except me.
 
2013-03-01 04:47:15 AM

vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.


Yeah, then they could have shot him instead
 
2013-03-01 04:54:02 AM

dready zim: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.

Yeah, then they could have shot him instead


They don't have guns in the UK, silly.
 
2013-03-01 05:04:28 AM
The old guy and the kid are both assholes.
 
2013-03-01 05:05:12 AM

the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse


If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-01 05:16:04 AM

ktybear: If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?


Prison-industrial complex and the War on Drugs?
 
2013-03-01 05:25:14 AM

ktybear: the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse

If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x234]


Picard facepalm.jpg

Seriously?  You can't figure that one out?
 
2013-03-01 05:34:03 AM

karmachameleon: ktybear: the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse

If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x234]

Picard facepalm.jpg

Seriously?  You can't figure that one out?


Seriously??

www.antifeministtech.info
 
2013-03-01 05:35:36 AM

TheJoe03: ktybear: If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

Prison-industrial complex and the War on Drugs?


fantasy-faction.com
 
2013-03-01 05:35:49 AM

doglover: HaywoodJablonski: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

9/10

Crime is down.
Beatings are down.

That's because of the decrease in pirates.


There's also the theory that kids and young people behave better over the last three decades because we got the  Tetraethyl  lead out or the environment.
 
2013-03-01 05:43:21 AM

HaywoodJablonski: The USA is the greatest nation in the world by a large margin


huh ?
 
2013-03-01 05:49:36 AM

vrax: HaywoodJablonski: TerminalEchoes: GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.

Do you own and use a passport? I'm guessing not. The USA is the greatest nation in the world by a large margin

Sorry, I was pretty bummed when I came back from Sweden.


When you have a population of 9 million, the problems are a lot easier to manage, especially with free oil money.
 
2013-03-01 05:50:11 AM

dready zim: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.

Yeah, then they could have shot him instead


C'mon, it's not like the kid was carrying Skittles!
 
2013-03-01 05:59:09 AM

The_Sponge: lack of warmth: I am sure he already felt bad about the incident,


Not likely.....he probably felt bad because he was caught.


Okay, lack of warmth's comment caused me to read the article. If the kid had overthrown a baseball through the guy's window I could believe he felt bad, but the kid was throwing freakin' rocks at the guys house.

The kid is learning that if he plays the victim he can get away with shiat.
 
2013-03-01 06:12:33 AM

whidbey: Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.


I can only hope that you get to the age when you learn the difference between right and wrong. Yeah, this kid needed to be "frogmarched to his parents" but, only after you had taken a good leather belt to whoop his ass.
Libertarians, gotta love'em, as they're too stupid to know the difference between right and wrong.
 
2013-03-01 06:30:27 AM

CutBoard: whidbey: Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.

I can only hope that you get to the age when you learn the difference between right and wrong. Yeah, this kid needed to be "frogmarched to his parents" but, only after you had taken a good leather belt to whoop his ass.
Libertarians, gotta love'em, as they're too stupid to know the difference between right and wrong.


It is not a libertarian attitude but a government is the solution attitude.  The old man  attempted to get bootstrappy instead on relying on government and therefore had to be punished least some government employees be unable to justify their existence.
 
2013-03-01 06:36:56 AM

vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.


By all means get the kid a police record and cost the tax payers  some money for matter use to have been setttled  between the old man and kids parents without having to get government involved.

So now in typical big government fashion the victim is punished and now doubt the kis will go onto a future life of crime as an adult-if he survives his youth as a thug.
 
2013-03-01 06:52:16 AM
Ooh.  Tough one.

Can't blame Granddad a bit, but you still can't touch them. Given it's the UK, the police wouldn't have even bothered taking a report.  So, I will say it still is for the best that face met door.
 
2013-03-01 07:23:20 AM

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.


Crime is going down... You're an idiot.
 
2013-03-01 07:28:10 AM
www.mrtees.com
 
2013-03-01 07:30:38 AM
My dad would have probably kicked the sh*t out of that old guy
 
2013-03-01 07:56:40 AM
Boy learns a lesson.  Old man learns a lesson.  I say call this a win-win.
 
2013-03-01 08:13:33 AM
Normally I'd be on the geezer's side but something here leads me to believe the kid isn't quite as much of a bad egg / lost cause as some of you are making him out to be.

The guy actually caught the kid.

This leads me to believe something like this happened: The guy heard the rocks hit, ran to the door and yelled, 'Ay! Why you lit'el scallywag! You get your right lit'el English muffins o'er 'ere right now! The kid did so and was promptly grabbed by the scruff and queried: Right! Your parents at 'ome, then? Wewl, come on then! [Dragging / manhandling in the "churning butter" style ensues.]

And why do I think it happened like that? Because the kid didn't run. Unless the old guy is a sprinter or the kid is abnormally slow: there's no way that dude is catching an 11-year-old. I did stupid sh*t when I was 11. I would have hauled some serious ass in a similar situation. But, unless I'm missing something, this kid respected this old guy enough (or knew he'd been recognized) that he didn't turn on the jets when he got caught. Either way, kid doesn't sound like a psychopath who is beyond hopeof reform as some of you are suggesting.

I would have gotten my butt tanned for similar actions (and did). I also know that if some guy I had wronged pushed my face into a door, doorknob--whatever--he would be in deep sh*t with the folks.

I await your awesome replies. Please cut and paste this: Pffft! LOL!! below your posts to save me the time.
 
2013-03-01 08:13:36 AM

Another Government Employee: Given it's the UK, the police wouldn't have even bothered taking a report.


Not true. Criminal damage by an identifiable individual is a really, really easy clear-up. Great for the numbers.
 
2013-03-01 08:16:02 AM

dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."


It's a perfectly cromulent word round Old Blighty way. 

I first read it decades ago in connection with some article of sorts about the SMLE, to the effect of 'suggesting that the SMLE wasn't accurate among a group of WWII veterans is likely to get you frogmarched out of the pub'

It's a Limeyism, apparently.
 
2013-03-01 08:20:06 AM

GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.


Obviously what passes for "discipline" now is working fantastically.
 
2013-03-01 08:20:28 AM
I'm just going to go ahead and guess it was the guy who thought he could kidnap the child and march him where ever he wan't against his will.
 
2013-03-01 08:22:59 AM

The Snow Dog: And why do I think it happened like that? Because the kid didn't run. Unless the old guy is a sprinter or the kid is abnormally slow: there's no way that dude is catching an 11-year-old.


Unless, of course, the old guy was around the corner doing gardening or something, and the 11 year old didn't know he was there, and he managed to sneak up on him.

Or, if is as increasingly the case in the UK, the kid is obese.  A fit man in his 60's could catch someone like that.

Or unless the kid froze when he got caught, or was intimidated into not moving.  CSB follows:  Last year, a car came around the corner where I live and knocked down my mailbox.  My neighbor up the street was outside at the time, saw it happen, and she boldly stepped out into the road, forced the car to stop, and then she had the balls to make the driver (a man in his mid-20's) hand her the keys until the police arrived.

Never underestimate the ability of a mature person to intimidate a younger one into compliance, especially after the younger person was just caught doing something they know is wrong.
 
2013-03-01 08:23:49 AM

rocky_howard: J. Frank Parnell: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

No. Crime was rampant during the great depression, and everyone was beating everyone quite freely.

Yeah, but that's because there was no alcohol back then and gangsters ruled the streets. Once prohibition got repealed, crime decreased dramatically.

Also, people had like zero money. Having zero money makes me tipsy, doesn't it happen to you?

President Merkin Muffley: miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Bingo

miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Do you guys even watch the news? Crime is rampant and everywhere.


You DO realize that the news exists for the sole purpose of only telling you about the bad stuff, right?

There's a lot more going on out there which they don't bother reporting. Its not all bad.
 
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