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(The Sun)   62-year-old man grabs 11-year-old boy who broke his window and frogmarches him to his parents. Guess who gets fined by the courts   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 188
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2013-02-28 10:50:50 PM  
"During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.
 
2013-02-28 11:51:43 PM  
Yeah, as a rule don't touch other people's kid in any fashion and never leave a mark even if the kid is yours.  I have been in the shoes of that 11 yro boy.  I am sure he already felt bad about the incident, so next time skip the beating.
 
2013-02-28 11:53:45 PM  
frogdammit!

:-/
 
2013-03-01 12:02:26 AM  
Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."
 
2013-03-01 12:02:39 AM  
This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.
 
2013-03-01 12:04:16 AM  

calbert: frogdammit!

:-/


Fartbama!
 
2013-03-01 12:28:17 AM  
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2013-03-01 12:29:03 AM  

dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."


You don't read any good books, then. All prisoners get frogmarched.
 
2013-03-01 12:41:53 AM  

UltimaCS: "During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.


I was wondering how the door handle happened to be at face level for the kid?
 
2013-03-01 12:43:48 AM  
It's cause when someone has you and won't let you go, if you drag your feet or kick, you look like a frog that's been caught.
 
2013-03-01 01:18:53 AM  
More: stupid, lessons, doorhandles
 
2013-03-01 01:24:31 AM  
Aaaaahh!!! their poor snowflake being held accountable for his actions!?!? Not if helio-parents can help it! God help us all.
 
2013-03-01 01:25:30 AM  
Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.
 
2013-03-01 01:25:57 AM  

log_jammin: More: stupid, lessons, doorhandles


I'm actually on the side of the grandad on this one. Bruise will heal, kid won't bother the guy anymore, problem solved.
 
2013-03-01 01:26:52 AM  

davidphogan: UltimaCS: "During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.

I was wondering how the door handle happened to be at face level for the kid?


Well, his ass must have been touching the ground as he walked, hence the term "frogmarching."

Bad guy from snatch.jpg
 
2013-03-01 01:29:18 AM  
Frog blast the vent core!
 
2013-03-01 01:29:24 AM  

davidphogan: UltimaCS: "During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.

I was wondering how the door handle happened to be at face level for the kid?


Or maybe the kid was one of those nasty Sackville-Bagginses
 
2013-03-01 01:29:34 AM  
Spare the rod spoil the child sue all Good Samaritans
 
2013-03-01 01:31:40 AM  
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2013-03-01 01:31:41 AM  

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.


Which increase in crime would that be?
 
2013-03-01 01:32:53 AM  
Oh, it's no world for an old man any longer. What sort of a world is it at all? Men on the moon, and men spinning around the earth, and there's not no attention paid to earthly law and order no more.
 
2013-03-01 01:35:15 AM  
What's a little vigilante justice between friends these days anyways?
 
2013-03-01 01:35:53 AM  
Throwing stones at my house..that kid would be shiatting stones

/that's a paddlin'
//especially if he lived in a glass house
 
2013-03-01 01:36:18 AM  

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?


No. Crime was rampant during the great depression, and everyone was beating everyone quite freely.
 
2013-03-01 01:36:23 AM  
FTA : In my day, the parents would have had a strong word with the child

Kids were raised by the U.N. 50 years ago?

Anyhoo... That ship has sailed, grampa. Just thank your fate you wont live to see the decline much further.
 
2013-03-01 01:37:22 AM  

miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?


Bingo
 
2013-03-01 01:40:26 AM  
Involving the frogs probably turned the court against him.
 
2013-03-01 01:40:31 AM  
Really, at 11 years old, it's too late for parenting to have a major effect on the kid. The kid's major behavior patterns are shaped by his peers once he's entered school. Parental involvement must have happened long before now.
 
2013-03-01 01:43:45 AM  
 
2013-03-01 01:43:56 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

No. Crime was rampant during the great depression, and everyone was beating everyone quite freely.


Yeah, but that's because there was no alcohol back then and gangsters ruled the streets. Once prohibition got repealed, crime decreased dramatically.

Also, people had like zero money. Having zero money makes me tipsy, doesn't it happen to you?

President Merkin Muffley: miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Bingo


miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?


Do you guys even watch the news? Crime is rampant and everywhere.
 
2013-03-01 01:45:37 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Oh, it's no world for an old man any longer. What sort of a world is it at all? Men on the moon, and men spinning around the earth, and there's not no attention paid to earthly law and order no more.


/ laughs maniacally while twirling cane...
// viddy well, brother?
 
2013-03-01 01:48:08 AM  

lack of warmth: I am sure he already felt bad about the incident,



Not likely.....he probably felt bad because he was caught.
 
2013-03-01 01:48:32 AM  
Lots of negroes.
 
2013-03-01 01:49:25 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Really, at 11 years old, it's too late for parenting to have a major effect on the kid. The kid's major behavior patterns are shaped by his peers once he's entered school. Parental involvement must have happened long before now.


Study cited:
http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~siegler/35patterson90.pdf
 
2013-03-01 01:54:52 AM  

rocky_howard: J. Frank Parnell: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

No. Crime was rampant during the great depression, and everyone was beating everyone quite freely.

Yeah, but that's because there was no alcohol back then and gangsters ruled the streets. Once prohibition got repealed, crime decreased dramatically.

Also, people had like zero money. Having zero money makes me tipsy, doesn't it happen to you?

President Merkin Muffley: miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Bingo

miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Do you guys even watch the news? Crime is rampant and everywhere.


So because 24 hour news cycle propagates fear mongering crime has gone up over the past 50 years? Obviously because the news is reporting more crime, there is more crime.

Excellent argument. If only the actual facts supported your case though. Crime, especially violent crime, has gone down dramatically since the "good ol' days" of child abuse.

There is an interesting connection between the shift away from leaded fuel and decreased crime, but that is beside the point. There is 0 indication that a good beating does anything but create a cycle of violence and fear.

I know this is a crazy position to take, but violence is bad. If you dont have good evidence that beating children does anything but harm, seriously stop advocating violence.
 
2013-03-01 01:55:34 AM  

rocky_howard: Do you guys even watch the news? Crime is rampant and everywhere.


I've spotted your problem - you're watching the news to find out what's going on. That's been sensationalist crap for decades.

Reporting on crime is way up, but actual crime has been steadily declining since the 90's.
 
2013-03-01 02:00:30 AM  
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2013-03-01 02:01:11 AM  

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.


As others have pointed out, your feeling that crime is increasing doesn't match reality. But in addition to that, if you were to consider hitting a child a crime (which depends on where you live), your solution would actually increase crime. Be the change.
 
2013-03-01 02:04:40 AM  
When I was about 14 I got popped in the face so hard by an old man it made my ears ring.

Thinking back on it now, he nearly knocked me out.  We'd made a fort out of stolen milk crates in the alley behind his house and dude was *pissed*.  Everybody else ran, I was stupid enough to try to explain to him the alley wasn't his property.  You tell him, tiger!

/ 14 is a year when life lessons come daily.
 
2013-03-01 02:05:35 AM  
Stupid old man.  That's what 55 gallon plastic drums and Hydroflouric Acid are for.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-01 02:06:59 AM  
In Florida, he could have just shot him.
 
2013-03-01 02:08:05 AM  
The worst part is now that the little urchin has seen the old grownup get into trouble, that means urchin is in the right - and can therefore continue his hooliganism unchecked.

But the next old man might know where to hide a body. Just sayin'.
 
2013-03-01 02:10:57 AM  
The brat's dad called the cops on the old man.  So he must think what the kid did was ok.
Since the brat's dad thinks it's ok to throw rocks  at the windows of other peoples' homes, he shouldn't mind if other people throw rocks at the windows of his home.

Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.  So it should be no surprise there are so many of them getting involved in crimes from vandalism to murder.

If I did something like that and the guy frogmarched me home, my dad would have made sure I was punished.  That punishment would have involved a belt.  If I had broken a window, my parents would have taken any money I had and put it toward replacing the guy's window.  I knew this when I was a kid so that's why I never went around trying to break windows in people's homes.
 
2013-03-01 02:12:55 AM  

dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."


You don't read good Bushhateporn. Can't tell you how much I jizmed to the mental image of Karl Rove being frogmarched out of the White House for leaking Valerie Plame as CIA to punish her husband for saying the yellowcake in Niger was a lie. Enjoy your sequester, someone has to pay for the borrowing that financed the Iraq.
 
2013-03-01 02:16:44 AM  
What?

What negroes??

There aren't any in the article.
 
2013-03-01 02:18:38 AM  

Harry_Seldon: In Florida, he could have just shot him.


That's not true.  He would have to hand the boy a bag of Skittles first.
 
2013-03-01 02:18:41 AM  

PaLarkin: Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.


It's really too bad the old geezer wasn't raised to understand that if you do something wrong...like shove a kid into a doorknob...you'll get punished.
 
2013-03-01 02:24:39 AM  

PaLarkin: The brat's dad called the cops on the old man.  So he must think what the kid did was ok.
Since the brat's dad thinks it's ok to throw rocks  at the windows of other peoples' homes, he shouldn't mind if other people throw rocks at the windows of his home.

Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.  So it should be no surprise there are so many of them getting involved in crimes from vandalism to murder.

If I did something like that and the guy frogmarched me home, my dad would have made sure I was punished.  That punishment would have involved a belt.  If I had broken a window, my parents would have taken any money I had and put it toward replacing the guy's window.  I knew this when I was a kid so that's why I never went around trying to break windows in people's homes.


Since it's the UK, perhaps the dad was scared of being arrested for neglect if he  didn't call the cops on the old man. Condoning violence to a child and all.
 
2013-03-01 02:29:32 AM  
Okay, the boy was throwing several rocks at the old man's house.  I get that the old man was fined for accidentally harming the kid (who totally had it coming), but what about the throwing rocks at the house?  Shouldn't someone, either the boy or the boy's father, be fined for that?
 
2013-03-01 02:37:16 AM  

GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.


Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.
 
2013-03-01 02:40:10 AM  

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?


i.imgur.com
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse
 
2013-03-01 02:42:11 AM  
The old guy should have used the "medical condition" defense...
 
2013-03-01 02:48:52 AM  
Find out where this judge lives. Break a window in his house every day for the next year.
 
2013-03-01 03:09:14 AM  

dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."


That's where you give someone a top hat and a cane and make them sing "Hello! Ma Baby".
 
2013-03-01 03:20:54 AM  
I could understand a hearty "Get off my lawn!", returning fire with rocks, or maybe even calling the cops, but when the kid ends up with a black eye, obviously you've just caused problems for yourself. I would also like to point out that nowhere in TFA does it say that a window was broken.
 
2013-03-01 03:23:28 AM  

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.


9/10

Crime is down.
Beatings are down.
 
2013-03-01 03:24:38 AM  
Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.
 
2013-03-01 03:25:37 AM  

TerminalEchoes: GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.


Do you own and use a passport? I'm guessing not. The USA is the greatest nation in the world by a large margin
 
2013-03-01 03:28:36 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: TerminalEchoes: GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.

Do you own and use a passport? I'm guessing not. The USA is the greatest nation in the world by a large margin


Sorry, I was pretty bummed when I came back from Sweden.
 
2013-03-01 03:31:02 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

9/10

Crime is down.
Beatings are down.


That's because of the decrease in pirates.
 
2013-03-01 03:34:42 AM  

PaLarkin: The brat's dad called the cops on the old man.  So he must think what the kid did was ok.
Since the brat's dad thinks it's ok to throw rocks  at the windows of other peoples' homes, he shouldn't mind if other people throw rocks at the windows of his home.

Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.  So it should be no surprise there are so many of them getting involved in crimes from vandalism to murder.

If I did something like that and the guy frogmarched me home, my dad would have made sure I was punished.  That punishment would have involved a belt.  If I had broken a window, my parents would have taken any money I had and put it toward replacing the guy's window.  I knew this when I was a kid so that's why I never went around trying to break windows in people's homes.


You realize that the logic in your first two sentences does not follow, right? And that the article doesn't back up your claim in any way? And your second paragraph reeks of uninformed opinion (and grump-based bullshiat)? And your third paragraph is a hypothetical CSB?

Did you watch Gran Torino and complain about that young whippersnapper Eastwood going too easy on those kids?
 
2013-03-01 03:38:13 AM  

vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.


Here in the US, the cops would probably follow up after you called.  In the UK they'd ignore the problem since doing anything would require they get off their banger fueled fat asses.
 
2013-03-01 03:39:56 AM  
If only they had both had guns, maybe we'd have been lucky and they'd both be dead instead.
 
2013-03-01 03:42:03 AM  

dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."


For real? Grab a kid, tie his hands behind his back, lift his wrists to force him to walk. Now you're frogmarching!
 
2013-03-01 03:43:07 AM  
"Oh no! Your 11 year old son massacred my family with a machinegun! Since he's just 11 years old (which is a magic number that lets anyone be irresponsible without punishment), I will just let this slip and maybe gives you $20,000 compensation for the trauma inflicted on your murderous child after he killed my family."
 
2013-03-01 03:48:38 AM  
Another pretty snowflake article

/seriously, I'm surprised the kid didn't get an ass whopping there on the spot
 
2013-03-01 03:54:39 AM  

UltimaCS: "During the incident, David had accidentally pushed the lad's face into the door handle at his family's home in Darwen, Lancs, the court heard."

Yeah, I'm sure the cops didn't believe him either when he "accidentally" shoved his wife down a flight of stairs.


Yeah.  Frog-marching him to his parents is one thing, pushing him into a door handle is another.
 
2013-03-01 04:00:36 AM  
A grown man came into physical contact with an 11 year old. He's very lucky to have not ended up on a sex offenders' register.
 
2013-03-01 04:10:35 AM  

Glendale: Frog blast the vent core!


Nostalgia ...

/get off my lawn
 
2013-03-01 04:12:33 AM  
It's The Sun, so it might be true.
 
2013-03-01 04:24:38 AM  
Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.
 
2013-03-01 04:26:36 AM  
Everybody is frogmarching and cornholing except me.
 
2013-03-01 04:47:15 AM  

vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.


Yeah, then they could have shot him instead
 
2013-03-01 04:54:02 AM  

dready zim: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.

Yeah, then they could have shot him instead


They don't have guns in the UK, silly.
 
2013-03-01 05:04:28 AM  
The old guy and the kid are both assholes.
 
2013-03-01 05:05:12 AM  

the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse


If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-01 05:16:04 AM  

ktybear: If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?


Prison-industrial complex and the War on Drugs?
 
2013-03-01 05:25:14 AM  

ktybear: the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse

If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x234]


Picard facepalm.jpg

Seriously?  You can't figure that one out?
 
2013-03-01 05:34:03 AM  

karmachameleon: ktybear: the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse

If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x234]

Picard facepalm.jpg

Seriously?  You can't figure that one out?


Seriously??

www.antifeministtech.info
 
2013-03-01 05:35:36 AM  

TheJoe03: ktybear: If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

Prison-industrial complex and the War on Drugs?


fantasy-faction.com
 
2013-03-01 05:35:49 AM  

doglover: HaywoodJablonski: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

9/10

Crime is down.
Beatings are down.

That's because of the decrease in pirates.


There's also the theory that kids and young people behave better over the last three decades because we got the  Tetraethyl  lead out or the environment.
 
2013-03-01 05:43:21 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: The USA is the greatest nation in the world by a large margin


huh ?
 
2013-03-01 05:49:36 AM  

vrax: HaywoodJablonski: TerminalEchoes: GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.

Do you own and use a passport? I'm guessing not. The USA is the greatest nation in the world by a large margin

Sorry, I was pretty bummed when I came back from Sweden.


When you have a population of 9 million, the problems are a lot easier to manage, especially with free oil money.
 
2013-03-01 05:50:11 AM  

dready zim: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.

Yeah, then they could have shot him instead


C'mon, it's not like the kid was carrying Skittles!
 
2013-03-01 05:59:09 AM  

The_Sponge: lack of warmth: I am sure he already felt bad about the incident,


Not likely.....he probably felt bad because he was caught.


Okay, lack of warmth's comment caused me to read the article. If the kid had overthrown a baseball through the guy's window I could believe he felt bad, but the kid was throwing freakin' rocks at the guys house.

The kid is learning that if he plays the victim he can get away with shiat.
 
2013-03-01 06:12:33 AM  

whidbey: Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.


I can only hope that you get to the age when you learn the difference between right and wrong. Yeah, this kid needed to be "frogmarched to his parents" but, only after you had taken a good leather belt to whoop his ass.
Libertarians, gotta love'em, as they're too stupid to know the difference between right and wrong.
 
2013-03-01 06:30:27 AM  

CutBoard: whidbey: Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.

I can only hope that you get to the age when you learn the difference between right and wrong. Yeah, this kid needed to be "frogmarched to his parents" but, only after you had taken a good leather belt to whoop his ass.
Libertarians, gotta love'em, as they're too stupid to know the difference between right and wrong.


It is not a libertarian attitude but a government is the solution attitude.  The old man  attempted to get bootstrappy instead on relying on government and therefore had to be punished least some government employees be unable to justify their existence.
 
2013-03-01 06:36:56 AM  

vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.


By all means get the kid a police record and cost the tax payers  some money for matter use to have been setttled  between the old man and kids parents without having to get government involved.

So now in typical big government fashion the victim is punished and now doubt the kis will go onto a future life of crime as an adult-if he survives his youth as a thug.
 
2013-03-01 06:52:16 AM  
Ooh.  Tough one.

Can't blame Granddad a bit, but you still can't touch them. Given it's the UK, the police wouldn't have even bothered taking a report.  So, I will say it still is for the best that face met door.
 
2013-03-01 07:23:20 AM  

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.


Crime is going down... You're an idiot.
 
2013-03-01 07:28:10 AM  
www.mrtees.com
 
2013-03-01 07:30:38 AM  
My dad would have probably kicked the sh*t out of that old guy
 
2013-03-01 07:56:40 AM  
Boy learns a lesson.  Old man learns a lesson.  I say call this a win-win.
 
2013-03-01 08:13:33 AM  
Normally I'd be on the geezer's side but something here leads me to believe the kid isn't quite as much of a bad egg / lost cause as some of you are making him out to be.

The guy actually caught the kid.

This leads me to believe something like this happened: The guy heard the rocks hit, ran to the door and yelled, 'Ay! Why you lit'el scallywag! You get your right lit'el English muffins o'er 'ere right now! The kid did so and was promptly grabbed by the scruff and queried: Right! Your parents at 'ome, then? Wewl, come on then! [Dragging / manhandling in the "churning butter" style ensues.]

And why do I think it happened like that? Because the kid didn't run. Unless the old guy is a sprinter or the kid is abnormally slow: there's no way that dude is catching an 11-year-old. I did stupid sh*t when I was 11. I would have hauled some serious ass in a similar situation. But, unless I'm missing something, this kid respected this old guy enough (or knew he'd been recognized) that he didn't turn on the jets when he got caught. Either way, kid doesn't sound like a psychopath who is beyond hopeof reform as some of you are suggesting.

I would have gotten my butt tanned for similar actions (and did). I also know that if some guy I had wronged pushed my face into a door, doorknob--whatever--he would be in deep sh*t with the folks.

I await your awesome replies. Please cut and paste this: Pffft! LOL!! below your posts to save me the time.
 
2013-03-01 08:13:36 AM  

Another Government Employee: Given it's the UK, the police wouldn't have even bothered taking a report.


Not true. Criminal damage by an identifiable individual is a really, really easy clear-up. Great for the numbers.
 
2013-03-01 08:16:02 AM  

dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."


It's a perfectly cromulent word round Old Blighty way. 

I first read it decades ago in connection with some article of sorts about the SMLE, to the effect of 'suggesting that the SMLE wasn't accurate among a group of WWII veterans is likely to get you frogmarched out of the pub'

It's a Limeyism, apparently.
 
2013-03-01 08:20:06 AM  

GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.


Obviously what passes for "discipline" now is working fantastically.
 
2013-03-01 08:20:28 AM  
I'm just going to go ahead and guess it was the guy who thought he could kidnap the child and march him where ever he wan't against his will.
 
2013-03-01 08:22:59 AM  

The Snow Dog: And why do I think it happened like that? Because the kid didn't run. Unless the old guy is a sprinter or the kid is abnormally slow: there's no way that dude is catching an 11-year-old.


Unless, of course, the old guy was around the corner doing gardening or something, and the 11 year old didn't know he was there, and he managed to sneak up on him.

Or, if is as increasingly the case in the UK, the kid is obese.  A fit man in his 60's could catch someone like that.

Or unless the kid froze when he got caught, or was intimidated into not moving.  CSB follows:  Last year, a car came around the corner where I live and knocked down my mailbox.  My neighbor up the street was outside at the time, saw it happen, and she boldly stepped out into the road, forced the car to stop, and then she had the balls to make the driver (a man in his mid-20's) hand her the keys until the police arrived.

Never underestimate the ability of a mature person to intimidate a younger one into compliance, especially after the younger person was just caught doing something they know is wrong.
 
2013-03-01 08:23:49 AM  

rocky_howard: J. Frank Parnell: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

No. Crime was rampant during the great depression, and everyone was beating everyone quite freely.

Yeah, but that's because there was no alcohol back then and gangsters ruled the streets. Once prohibition got repealed, crime decreased dramatically.

Also, people had like zero money. Having zero money makes me tipsy, doesn't it happen to you?

President Merkin Muffley: miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Bingo

miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Do you guys even watch the news? Crime is rampant and everywhere.


You DO realize that the news exists for the sole purpose of only telling you about the bad stuff, right?

There's a lot more going on out there which they don't bother reporting. Its not all bad.
 
2013-03-01 08:29:45 AM  
Years ago (2002 maybe) I was house-sitting for my parents (in the UK). Looked out of the window one day to see a bunch of kids in the garden, one of which was uprooting my mom's flowers, just for the hell of it. I ran outside and managed to grab the little shiat. All the others escaped.

I was pissed. Had happened multiple times usually when it was dark and it gets frustrating to find your garden ruined. I took him to the police station a couple of miles away. Desk sergeant got all pissy with me right off the bat, telling me I could be arrested for abduction & other such shiat. It was somewhat of an empty threat then, though. Maybe not now. He was more pissed about me leaving the kid there and the cops having to take this kid home.

I got back to my parents house to find the kid's mother in my driveway. She started screaming at me as soon as I got out of my car. Kid's older brother had been in the group that got away. I told the mom her son was @ copshop and she could go fark herself. I went inside as she screamed at me.

/would probably get arrested today for that.
//farkin' bastages
 
2013-03-01 08:30:14 AM  

buckler: dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."

For real? Grab a kid, tie his hands behind his back, lift his wrists to force him to walk. Now you're frogmarching!


Wtf? Go full nelson with a suplex into a submission hold
 
2013-03-01 08:34:22 AM  
The one that actually committed assault?
 
2013-03-01 08:39:00 AM  
To the people here who are calling this guy a criminal, how do YOU think this kid's behavior is best corrected?
 
2013-03-01 08:39:33 AM  
"It's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs. And trust me, when I use that name, I measure my words."

Joe Wilson
 
2013-03-01 08:41:27 AM  
for the nteenth time.. no matter how farking right you THINK you are, vigilante justice is unacceptable.
 
2013-03-01 08:42:27 AM  
It is interesting to see an unusual set of folks embracing the concept that "it takes a village". Glad you all came around, though it's a shame, but not a surprise, that your inspiration was a violent assault by an adult on a child.
 
2013-03-01 08:43:58 AM  

TerminalEchoes: GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.


The country is doing nothing of the such. Authoritarians are just realizing that it's not the 1950's anymore and people are questioning "authority" and expressing free will at ever increasing rates. And that frightens authoritarians.
 
2013-03-01 08:45:08 AM  

TheOriginalEd: for the nteenth time.. no matter how farking right you THINK you are, vigilante justice is unacceptable.


So....  call the police, who have all kinds of free time to deal with a kid vandal, and will tell you as much?
 
2013-03-01 08:46:47 AM  
CtrlAltDestroy:  Authoritarians are just realizing that it's not the 1950's anymore and people are questioning "authority" and expressing free will at ever increasing rates.

Ahh yes, another liberated young man "questioning authority."
 
2013-03-01 08:47:00 AM  

dittybopper: The Snow Dog: And why do I think it happened like that? Because the kid didn't run. Unless the old guy is a sprinter or the kid is abnormally slow: there's no way that dude is catching an 11-year-old.

Unless, of course, the old guy was around the corner doing gardening or something, and the 11 year old didn't know he was there, and he managed to sneak up on him.

Or, if is as increasingly the case in the UK, the kid is obese.  A fit man in his 60's could catch someone like that.

Or unless the kid froze when he got caught, or was intimidated into not moving.  CSB follows:  Last year, a car came around the corner where I live and knocked down my mailbox.  My neighbor up the street was outside at the time, saw it happen, and she boldly stepped out into the road, forced the car to stop, and then she had the balls to make the driver (a man in his mid-20's) hand her the keys until the police arrived.

Never underestimate the ability of a mature person to intimidate a younger one into compliance, especially after the younger person was just caught doing something they know is wrong.


All I'm saying is that the kids (or adults) I know that truly seem to be "lost causes" would've beat feet (or in your case, driven away). Do they deserve punishment? Sure do. But at the point where they submit all need for rough treatment / manhandling is gone. Call the police. Talk to their parents.

And you're right kids aren't as fast these days, often. I think the guy likely knew or at least recognized the kid, though. If that is the case there should be no need to physically touch the kid. Go to or call the parents. He didn't call the cops, so it sounds like he wasn't TRYING to be a huge ass about it. Hell, the kid might've even stumbled of his own accord, but we won't ever know. But because he was touching the kid he opened himself up to liability. He should've just stuck with verbal intimidation, physical crosses the line (especially where kids are involved).
 
2013-03-01 08:51:09 AM  

The Snow Dog: Go to or call the parents.


"Not MY little snowflake!"

The Snow Dog: He should've just stuck with verbal intimidation


Yeah, that will get that window replaced.
 
kab
2013-03-01 08:58:52 AM  
The boy's dad said: "My son was really intimidated. He was left with a bruise under his eye after this man lost his temper."

Oh noes, your precious snowflake met opposition after throwing rocks at other people's houses.

An absolute tragedy, I tell you.
 
2013-03-01 09:07:33 AM  

doglover: HaywoodJablonski: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

9/10

Crime is down.
Beatings are down.

That's because of the decrease in pirates.


morale is great.

/i actually agree with the original comment here. I think a good swat is what some kids need. Obviously this changes kid to kid, but you're not trying to hurt them. You're trying to get their attention.
//my sister does the whole 'talk to them, go sit in the corner' bit and her kid is a terror and completely ignores everything she says.
///i got hit as a kid and i turned out pretty well, if i do say so myself.
 
2013-03-01 09:09:42 AM  

Darke: /i actually agree with the original comment here. I think a good swat is what some kids need. Obviously this changes kid to kid, but you're not trying to hurt them. You're trying to get their attention.
//my sister does the whole 'talk to them, go sit in the corner' bit and her kid is a terror and completely ignores everything she says.
///i got hit as a kid and i turned out pretty well, if i do say so myself.


Corporal punishment, I believe, only works when it's used sparingly, on the REALLY bad stuff.  Like intentionally damaging someone's property.
 
2013-03-01 09:17:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Really, at 11 years old, it's too late for parenting to have a major effect on the kid. The kid's major behavior patterns are shaped by his peers once he's entered school. Parental involvement must have happened long before now.


exactly why situations like this call for post-birth abortion
 
2013-03-01 09:20:26 AM  

GoldSpider: Darke: /i actually agree with the original comment here. I think a good swat is what some kids need. Obviously this changes kid to kid, but you're not trying to hurt them. You're trying to get their attention.
//my sister does the whole 'talk to them, go sit in the corner' bit and her kid is a terror and completely ignores everything she says.
///i got hit as a kid and i turned out pretty well, if i do say so myself.

Corporal punishment, I believe, only works when it's used sparingly, on the REALLY bad stuff.  Like intentionally damaging someone's property.


Sure, but I think if you establish dominance first, you can prevent a lot of problems. At one point, my mom wrote my name and my brother's name on a pingpong paddle when I was a kid.  Intimidating as hell - and she never had to use it.
 
2013-03-01 09:23:28 AM  

stellarossa: Years ago (2002 maybe) I was house-sitting for my parents (in the UK). Looked out of the window one day to see a bunch of kids in the garden, one of which was uprooting my mom's flowers, just for the hell of it. I ran outside and managed to grab the little shiat. All the others escaped.

I was pissed. Had happened multiple times usually when it was dark and it gets frustrating to find your garden ruined. I took him to the police station a couple of miles away. Desk sergeant got all pissy with me right off the bat, telling me I could be arrested for abduction & other such shiat. It was somewhat of an empty threat then, though. Maybe not now. He was more pissed about me leaving the kid there and the cops having to take this kid home.

I got back to my parents house to find the kid's mother in my driveway. She started screaming at me as soon as I got out of my car. Kid's older brother had been in the group that got away. I told the mom her son was @ copshop and she could go fark herself. I went inside as she screamed at me.

/would probably get arrested today for that.
//farkin' bastages


Nice.

CSB time.
I lived with my mom who was in a wheelchair until i finished college. Sometimes we would get ding dong ditched multiple times. It always scared my mom.. and she cant chase after anyone doing that.

So I sprang out the door next time it happened and caught the two bastards. I tackled one into the grass and the other gave up running since they were brothers. Took them to their parents which was one apartment complex away and said to their parents they were being douches.

/Didn't throw them into the door handles though
//Never happened again
/end csb
 
2013-03-01 09:24:19 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: The USA is the greatest nation in the world by a large margin


Beg to differ
 
2013-03-01 09:32:39 AM  

NameDot: AverageAmericanGuy: Really, at 11 years old, it's too late for parenting to have a major effect on the kid. The kid's major behavior patterns are shaped by his peers once he's entered school. Parental involvement must have happened long before now.

exactly why situations like this call for post-birth abortion


Same here, except it was a solid oak paddle with a red bullseye painted on it.  Never had to be used.
 
2013-03-01 09:43:01 AM  

ktybear: the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse

If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x234]



My graphs are per 100k population. Your graphs are the total number with no adjustment for population growth.

If you still can't figure it out, ask a 3rd grader.
 
2013-03-01 09:44:05 AM  
....precious snowflake....
 
2013-03-01 09:47:45 AM  
Frogmarching, what a wonderful word for such a horrible thing.

For a second there I thought he made him high-kick and sing "Hello my darlin' hello my honey hello my ragtime gaaaaaaaal" all the way home.  The actual definition is much more menacing.
 
2013-03-01 09:50:14 AM  

TerminalEchoes: GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

Which is pretty much why our country is circling the drain now.


and they keep voting Democrat...
 
2013-03-01 09:59:06 AM  
lol @ england
 
2013-03-01 10:06:45 AM  

rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.


Crime is dropping in every category though.
 
2013-03-01 10:24:00 AM  

Krieghund: PaLarkin: Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.

It's really too bad the old geezer wasn't raised to understand that if you do something wrong...like shove a kid into a doorknob...you'll get punished.


Sounds like you're saying it was ok for the kid to  throw rocks at the guy's windows.  I say the kid deserved what happened to him.  If he doesn't like it, don't go around throwing rocks at other peoples' windows.
 
2013-03-01 10:25:54 AM  

bingethinker: Find out where this judge lives. Break a window in his house every day for the next year.


Agreed.  Where's Ernest T. Bass when we need him?
 
2013-03-01 10:29:14 AM  

DoctorCal: It is interesting to see an unusual set of folks embracing the concept that "it takes a village".


It takes a village to make a village idiot
 
2013-03-01 10:29:21 AM  

No Time To Explain: Another pretty snowflake article

/seriously, I'm surprised the kid didn't get an ass whopping there on the spot


Welcome to the 21st century where society lets the little bastards get away with everything and acts surprised when they turn their violent tendencies toward people.
 
2013-03-01 10:30:14 AM  

the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse


I love how you post a fancy graph and think your argument is flawless, but no.

Check this out.

i.imgur.com

Do you think we beat our kid LESS in 1960 than in 1980? Clearly not. Notice how the increase in crime is related to the increase of presence of Child Services.
Yes, crime is down NOW, but NOW we have more options for kids to entertain themselves and not turn out to be criminals. If I had told you this in 1990 you'd have no choice but to agree that decrease in beatings = increase of crime. Do you think it's coincidental that crime starts going down once videogames become a heavy aspect of our society? And do you think is coincidental that crime starts to really go down once the Internet goes mainstream? Nope. Crime is down because we have other avenues to capture the kids attention, but the prevalent damage of not beating your kids when they need to is still there, it just moved from crime to being a precious asshole snowflake. You can agree kids today are much bigger snowflakes than in the past, no? Exactly. Their petulance just moved to another area.

Again, it's not that you cripple the kid and leave scars on him and not that you satiate the anger of your failed existence by punching your kid, no, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about that when the kid does something bad enough, you, with no emotion whatsoever (because then he learns that you're not in control), smack him across the face. A well placed slap that teaches him that bad deeds have consequences and he should try to behave.
 
2013-03-01 10:33:35 AM  
Oh and per the graphic, even though crime is lower than in the 80s, it's still double of what it was in the 60s, so you can't still say beating kids doesn't work. Of course it's gonna be down because life was shiatty during the 80s. Also crack kids are down. Read Freakonomics, it talks about it there. Roe vs. Wade caused the unintended consequence of reducing crime because lower class families didn't have to give birth to all of the kids they produced and could abort them.

If you take the 80s crack/drug explosion out of the picture, you'll see that crime HAS been increasing from the 60s to the 2010s.
 
m00
2013-03-01 10:33:38 AM  

ktybear: If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?


war on drugs
 
2013-03-01 10:34:22 AM  

Gelatinous: If only they had both had guns, maybe we'd have been lucky and they'd both be dead instead.


Agreed.  The U.K. would be better off without the dad and his little brat.
 
2013-03-01 10:39:15 AM  

GoldSpider: To the people here who are calling this guy a criminal, how do YOU think this kid's behavior is best corrected?


When I ran into a similar incident.  I went to the parents and didn't touch the kid, even though I wanted to slap the shiat out of him.
The child's father took care of it.

You want to dole out the punishment cuz you all mad?  Expect to be treated like the criminal you are.

The days of, "I've been wronged so I'll wrong you back till I feel satisfied," are gone.
 
2013-03-01 10:44:40 AM  

darthaegis: The child's father took care of it.


Those days are gone too.
 
2013-03-01 10:48:23 AM  

darthaegis: GoldSpider: To the people here who are calling this guy a criminal, how do YOU think this kid's behavior is best corrected?

When I ran into a similar incident.  I went to the parents and didn't touch the kid, even though I wanted to slap the shiat out of him.
The child's father took care of it.

You want to dole out the punishment cuz you all mad?  Expect to be treated like the criminal you are.

The days of, "I've been wronged so I'll wrong you back till I feel satisfied," are gone.


The guy didn't dole out punishment.  No one is arguing that he intentionally hurt the kid, not even the kid's parents.  He merely returned him to his parents.  The kid got a bruise in the process.  Big farkin' deal.
 
2013-03-01 11:07:37 AM  
Humans, like most other animals, learn quickest through the pain response.
 
2013-03-01 11:10:16 AM  

doglover: dickfreckle: Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."

You don't read any good books, then. All prisoners get frogmarched.


Any books with style anyway.
 
2013-03-01 11:21:57 AM  
Could have been worse, like maybe if it happened in Florida and the old guy was standing his ground.
 
2013-03-01 11:26:23 AM  

hasty ambush: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.

By all means get the kid a police record and cost the tax payers  some money for matter use to have been setttled  between the old man and kids parents without having to get government involved.

So now in typical big government fashion the victim is punished and now doubt the kis will go onto a future life of crime as an adult-if he survives his youth as a thug.


So in one hand you don't want the government involved, but, hey, it's okay if they do. That way they have a full knowledge of the governemnt system and we should by all means pay our tax dollars to deal with this when a good ol' leather belt would have done just fine. So to summarize, let's spend thousands of dollars on this, when a nice 10 piece of leather would have done the same. Hope you're children learn valuable things when they are in "time out" in their rooms, whilst they have TV, Computers, Internet, and nummerous things to do while they're in there in their "time out". Wow, you taught them, I'd hate to have been a kid in your household. Moran.
 
2013-03-01 11:30:27 AM  
More abortions = less child beating = freakonomics
 
2013-03-01 11:31:32 AM  

CutBoard: hasty ambush: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.



oh, and did I forget to mention, you really need a set of testicals, to be able to deal with these horrible bad kids to actually take them and talk to their parents about what they did. Calling the guys that actually have these danglers had to be the only way to deal with them. Gutless Wonder
 
2013-03-01 11:44:06 AM  
Ahem... The Internet was around before 2000.

Just sayin'.
 
2013-03-01 12:01:13 PM  
He had to manhandle the brat.  It's as if his parents were going to do anything about it.  Shiat, my mother would have given me some smacks for that garbage, which is why I never did crap like that as a kid.
 
2013-03-01 12:14:32 PM  

Caffandtranqs: He had to manhandle the brat.  It's as if his parents were going to do anything about it.  Shiat, my mother would have given me some smacks for that garbage, which is why I never did crap like that as a kid.


*It's NOT as if his parents......
 
2013-03-01 12:15:20 PM  

GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.


This.

Setting the parents on fire because they screwed up raising a child would be okay, though -- and in fact, recommended, so that they don't produce any more poorly-behaving parasites with the same zero-sum choices.  But leave the child out of it.
 
2013-03-01 12:15:53 PM  
Just one side of the story? An unimpeachable source like The Sun? Yep, let's all get good and outraged.

He smacked an 11 year old's face off a door handle, narrowly missing his eye.
 
2013-03-01 12:19:00 PM  

ktybear: the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse

If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x234]


In other news, population of a country has been shown to increase over time.  More at 11:00.
 
2013-03-01 12:20:57 PM  

nerftaig: rocky_howard: J. Frank Parnell: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

No. Crime was rampant during the great depression, and everyone was beating everyone quite freely.

Yeah, but that's because there was no alcohol back then and gangsters ruled the streets. Once prohibition got repealed, crime decreased dramatically.

Also, people had like zero money. Having zero money makes me tipsy, doesn't it happen to you?

President Merkin Muffley: miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Bingo

miniflea: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

Which increase in crime would that be?

Do you guys even watch the news? Crime is rampant and everywhere.

So because 24 hour news cycle propagates fear mongering crime has gone up over the past 50 years? Obviously because the news is reporting more crime, there is more crime.

Excellent argument. If only the actual facts supported your case though. Crime, especially violent crime, has gone down dramatically since the "good ol' days" of child abuse.

There is an interesting connection between the shift away from leaded fuel and decreased crime, but that is beside the point. There is 0 indication that a good beating does anything but create a cycle of violence and fear.

I know this is a crazy position to take, but violence is bad. If you dont have good evidence that beating children does anything but harm, seriously s ...


It is a crazy position to take. Nothing has solved more problems than violence.
 
2013-03-01 12:26:10 PM  
I thought the Daily Fail had the royal monopoly on this kind of article?
 
2013-03-01 12:36:34 PM  

hasty ambush: CutBoard: whidbey: Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.

I can only hope that you get to the age when you learn the difference between right and wrong. Yeah, this kid needed to be "frogmarched to his parents" but, only after you had taken a good leather belt to whoop his ass.
Libertarians, gotta love'em, as they're too stupid to know the difference between right and wrong.

It is not a libertarian attitude but a government is the solution attitude.  The old man  attempted to get bootstrappy instead on relying on government and therefore had to be punished least some government employees be unable to justify their existence.


Yes, while I agree with you on some extent, yes, it is a libertarian attitude. IF you truly believe that it is a government situation, then, hopefully you want need that government intervention, in any way, shape or form in the near future. I for one hope that you don't. But, enough of that, even in your own bible it states "spare the rod, spoil the child." In my day and are, there was no one, and I mean no one, that wasn't willing to spare the rod. You got exactly what you deserved and thankfully we turned out to be ok......Now, ok, is a relative term. It's waaaaay better than the entitlement generation that we've turned out. So go ahead and think that this was too harsh. I for one believe that you needed that boot to the ass, way too long ago, but your parents didn't want to send mixed messages to you.
 
2013-03-01 01:01:45 PM  
ts3.mm.bing.net
In the States we just shoot them.
 
2013-03-01 01:22:58 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Ahem... The Internet was around before 2000.

Just sayin'.


Of course, but it became mainstream in the late 90s, early 2000s. Videogames have existed since 1971, but it wasn't until the NES that it became really something. Sorry, the Atari was a fad. A cheap, bad, ugly fad. Or like computers, which have existed since the 50s but it was in the 90s that they massified. Or smartphones that have existed since the late 90s / early 2000s but only massified around 2008 and onwards.
 
2013-03-01 01:24:03 PM  

Goryus: ktybear: the ha ha guy: rocky_howard: Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

[i.imgur.com image 538x1030]
/Clearly the decrease is because the government has been defunding programs against child abuse

If your so called 'real crime' is declining how come this?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x234]

In other news, population of a country has been shown to increase over time.  More at 11:00.


Yeah, because the rate of increase in population and incarcerations is the same. Please take a statistic class before talking.
 
2013-03-01 01:24:30 PM  
Great, you're teaching your child to be an asshole...good parenting skills there.

Children as supposed to be yelled at and punish! They're learning to act like civilized individuals, not the simian little shiats they are born as, but way to go parents, be total dicks about teaching your kids responsibility.
 
2013-03-01 01:30:46 PM  
What frogmarching may look like:
media.skateboard.com.au
 
2013-03-01 01:44:31 PM  

rocky_howard: Sorry, the Atari was a fad. A cheap, bad, ugly fad.


Not sure why you think 30 Million consoles sold would be considered a "Fad".. True, the NES had double that (61 million), but I wouldn't call it a fad by any stretch of the imagination. The 2600 pretty much dominated the market until the NES was released in 1985.
 
2013-03-01 01:47:43 PM  

Cretony38: Aaaaahh!!! their poor snowflake being held accountable for his actions!?!? Not if helio-parents can help it! God help us all.


Same thing I thought until the whole "giving the kid a bruise on the eye" thing came up.
 
2013-03-01 01:51:14 PM  

Southern100: rocky_howard: Sorry, the Atari was a fad. A cheap, bad, ugly fad.

Not sure why you think 30 Million consoles sold would be considered a "Fad".. True, the NES had double that (61 million), but I wouldn't call it a fad by any stretch of the imagination. The 2600 pretty much dominated the market until the NES was released in 1985.


Nah, the Atari 2600 crashed and burned in 1983. And it was a fad because the games were extremely simplistic and shiatty. Sure, I played them, but I'm an outlier since I've been in love with videogames since I was born lol. But it was even worse than the Wii in its time and people make fun of the Wii for being a fad.
 
2013-03-01 01:54:00 PM  
Also, even if you don't think it was a fad, it didn't even have close to the engagement the NES caused. NES caused an incredible level of self-identification with the games. Something that didn't really happen with the 2600. Blame cute character design, we all fell in love with Mario, Mega-Man, Link, Simon Belmont, Hero from Dragon Warrior, etc. The 2600 was mostly blocks with zero identity. Character design makes all the difference in the world, man.
 
2013-03-01 02:13:06 PM  

CutBoard: hasty ambush: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.

By all means get the kid a police record and cost the tax payers  some money for matter use to have been setttled  between the old man and kids parents without having to get government involved.

So now in typical big government fashion the victim is punished and now doubt the kis will go onto a future life of crime as an adult-if he survives his youth as a thug.

So in one hand you don't want the government involved, but, hey, it's okay if they do. That way they have a full knowledge of the governemnt system and we should by all means pay our tax dollars to deal with this when a good ol' leather belt would have done just fine. So to summarize, let's spend thousands of dollars on this, when a nice 10 piece of leather would have done the same. Hope you're children learn valuable things when they are in "time out" in their rooms, whilst they have TV, Computers, Internet, and nummerous things to do while they're in there in their "time out". Wow, you taught them, I'd hate to have been a kid in your household. Moran.


I don't think  you understood what I was saying.  I don't think government should be involved and who in the heck said anything about timeout?  I favor the leather strap, or  my mom's favorite a hot wheels track.
 
2013-03-01 02:13:41 PM  

dittybopper: darthaegis:
The guy didn't dole out punishment.  No one is arguing that he intentionally hurt the kid, not even the kid's parents.  He merely returned him to his parents.  The kid got a bruise in the process.  Big farkin' deal.


Nah, that's right... He 'accidentally' pushed the child into the door handle hard enough to cause a bruise under his eye.  He assaulted a kid and, no matter how justified he felt, it was wrong.

GAT_00: This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't get to assault a kid just because they did something bad.

 
2013-03-01 02:41:53 PM  

rocky_howard: Also, even if you don't think it was a fad, it didn't even have close to the engagement the NES caused. NES caused an incredible level of self-identification with the games. Something that didn't really happen with the 2600. Blame cute character design, we all fell in love with Mario, Mega-Man, Link, Simon Belmont, Hero from Dragon Warrior, etc. The 2600 was mostly blocks with zero identity. Character design makes all the difference in the world, man.


Well, the 2600 had many popular games, like PacMan, but you have to understand the 2600 was released in 1977. The NES wasn't released until *8 years later*; that's like comparing the NES to the Sony Playstation, or a 12mhz 286 to a Pentium 5. Of course the graphics are going to be better on a 3rd generation console. :)

(The 2600 was a 2nd generation console; Games like "Pong" were considered 1st generation).

Just imagine where we'll be in another 8-10 years..

Sorry folks, I know we got a little offtopic on this one. :)
 
2013-03-01 02:52:33 PM  

dittybopper: darthaegis: GoldSpider: To the people here who are calling this guy a criminal, how do YOU think this kid's behavior is best corrected?

When I ran into a similar incident.  I went to the parents and didn't touch the kid, even though I wanted to slap the shiat out of him.
The child's father took care of it.

You want to dole out the punishment cuz you all mad?  Expect to be treated like the criminal you are.

The days of, "I've been wronged so I'll wrong you back till I feel satisfied," are gone.

The guy didn't dole out punishment.  No one is arguing that he intentionally hurt the kid, not even the kid's parents.  He merely returned him to his parents.  The kid got a bruise in the process.  Big farkin' deal.


This, so far, I haven't read in the article where he tossed the kid on a doorknob. Presumably he fell while squirming near a door.
 
2013-03-01 02:54:23 PM  

Southern100: Well, the 2600 had many popular games, like PacMan, but you have to understand the 2600 was released in 1977. The NES wasn't released until *8 years later*; that's like comparing the NES to the Sony Playstation, or a 12mhz 286 to a Pentium 5. Of course the graphics are going to be better on a 3rd generation console. :)


Oh I understand, but that's my point, pre-NES we didn't really have an engagement with videogames. We played them like we played board games. Heck, there wasn't even a story besides racking up more points. With the NES we got stories and with stories came the engagement.
 
2013-03-01 02:58:15 PM  

hasty ambush: vrax: Kid didn't deserve to get hurt.  Kid did deserve to be held accountable for his behavior.  If that were here in the US and I knew where the kid lived, which it seems the old man did, I'd have called the cops and had them deal with the little shiat.

By all means get the kid a police record and cost the tax payers  some money for matter use to have been setttled  between the old man and kids parents without having to get government involved.


Yes, "use to have been".  Apparently that's not acceptable any longer.  You can't touch a kid and their parents don't want to hear it. So, cops. Fark 'em!
 
2013-03-01 02:58:56 PM  

rocky_howard: Also, even if you don't think it was a fad, it didn't even have close to the engagement the NES caused. NES caused an incredible level of self-identification with the games. Something that didn't really happen with the 2600. Blame cute character design, we all fell in love with Mario, Mega-Man, Link, Simon Belmont, Hero from Dragon Warrior, etc. The 2600 was mostly blocks with zero identity. Character design makes all the difference in the world, man.


A generation grew up to be like general custer.

Pitfall Harry led me to believe that I too, could jump on a croc's snout.
 
2013-03-01 03:01:14 PM  
The boy's dad said: "My son was really intimidated. He was left with a bruise under his eye after this man lost his temper."
 If he was any kind of father he would have thanked the old man and gave the kid a matching bruise on his backside.
 
2013-03-01 03:01:33 PM  

rocky_howard: Southern100: Well, the 2600 had many popular games, like PacMan, but you have to understand the 2600 was released in 1977. The NES wasn't released until *8 years later*; that's like comparing the NES to the Sony Playstation, or a 12mhz 286 to a Pentium 5. Of course the graphics are going to be better on a 3rd generation console. :)

Oh I understand, but that's my point, pre-NES we didn't really have an engagement with videogames. We played them like we played board games. Heck, there wasn't even a story besides racking up more points. With the NES we got stories and with stories came the engagement.


Warlords had a story, as did Sword quest and Spike's Peak. In fact, you had to read the goddamned manual just to find out why, for instance you were a pair of eyes lurking around a haunted house, looking for pieces of a funerary urn.
 
2013-03-01 03:05:01 PM  

Fano: Warlords had a story, as did Sword quest and Spike's Peak. In fact, you had to read the goddamned manual just to find out why, for instance you were a pair of eyes lurking around a haunted house, looking for pieces of a funerary urn.


Fano: A generation grew up to be like general custer.

Pitfall Harry led me to believe that I too, could jump on a croc's snout.


Notice you're mentioning the utmost exceptions? :P
 
2013-03-01 03:18:38 PM  

rocky_howard: Fano: Warlords had a story, as did Sword quest and Spike's Peak. In fact, you had to read the goddamned manual just to find out why, for instance you were a pair of eyes lurking around a haunted house, looking for pieces of a funerary urn.

Fano: A generation grew up to be like general custer.

Pitfall Harry led me to believe that I too, could jump on a croc's snout.

Notice you're mentioning the utmost exceptions? :P


I think they spent more time on the box art and the manuals than they did the games. Star Raiders I'm sure had an explanation for why you were shooting TIE fighters, and even Yar's Revenge came with a comic book. You had to have some reason to differentiate pacman clones and space shooters from each other.

This debate is more interesting than asking whether The Sun would dramatise a story about brats.
 
2013-03-01 03:32:57 PM  

PaLarkin: Krieghund: PaLarkin: Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong.

It's really too bad the old geezer wasn't raised to understand that if you do something wrong...like shove a kid into a doorknob...you'll get punished.

Sounds like you're saying it was ok for the kid to  throw rocks at the guy's windows.  I say the kid deserved what happened to him.  If he doesn't like it, don't go around throwing rocks at other peoples' windows.


Please put the part where I said that in bold.

/I thought "two wrongs don't make a right" was such a cliche that everyone understood it
//I guess I was wrong.
 
2013-03-01 04:35:54 PM  

Kevin72: . Enjoy your sequester, someone has to pay for the borrowing that financed the Iraq.


Way too thread-jack. But if you are going to do it at least be truthful:

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"When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you're paying a price for this war." - Barack Obama March 2008

"Applying that same standard to means-tested welfare spending reveals that welfare will cost each household $560 per month in 2009 and $638 per month in 2010."

In FY 2011, federal spending on means-tested welfare, plus state contributions to federal programs reached $940 billion per year. The federal share will come to around $695 billion, or 74 percent, while state spending will be around $250 billion, or 26 percent.

Combined federal and state means-tested welfare is now the second-largest category of overall government spending in the nation. It is exceeded only by the combined cost of Social Security and Medicare. Welfare spending is greater than the cost of public education and is greater than spending on national defense.

Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, government has spent $15.9 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars) on means-tested welfare. In comparison, the cost of all other wars in U.S. history was $6.4 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars).

Means-tested spending on cash, food, and housing increased more rapidly (196 percent) than Social Security (174 percent). The growth in means-tested medical spending (448 percent) exceeded the growth in Medicare (376 percent).[2] The growth in means-tested aid greatly exceeded the growth in government spending on education (143 percent) and defense (126 percent).

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2013-03-01 04:36:55 PM  
You objected to the concept of the little brat punished for what he did.  I disagree with the notion that what the old man did was wrong.  It seems reasonable to me that the minor injury sustained by the kid was accidental.  The man is forcing him home, the kid is struggling and in the process hit something and hurt himself.

The old man has likely seen kids getting away with vandalism for most of his life.  By now he's sick and damm tired of the brats getting away with it. He worked for years to buy that home.  He earned the money then some little brat comes along and tries to destroy what he's worked so hard to own.

It's too bad the brat wasn't in Texas or Florida when he decided to attempt breaking windows in someone's home.
 
2013-03-01 05:27:59 PM  

CutBoard: whidbey: Good.  People need to realize that vigilantism is bullshiat, and I love it when the idiot who doesn't respect the rule of law is the one who gets punched in the nuts.

I can only hope that you get to the age when you learn the difference between right and wrong.


You what now?

Yeah, this kid needed to be "frogmarched to his parents" but, only after you had taken a good leather belt to whoop his ass.
Libertarians, gotta love'em, as they're too stupid to know the difference between right and wrong.


Did you respond to the wrong person?  I am not a libertarian by any means, and I think the person who took the law into his own hands here got what he deserved.
 
2013-03-01 05:35:37 PM  

GoldSpider: The Snow Dog: Go to or call the parents.

"Not MY little snowflake!"

The Snow Dog: He should've just stuck with verbal intimidation

Yeah, that will get that window replaced.


You are a moron.

I didn't say yell at him and then let the matter lie, dumbass. You yell, "Come here!" Then you go talk to the parents-just like I outlined in the post you cherry-picked that quote from. Mr. ASS (umption), IF the window was broken-which the article was not clear about--THAT'S how you get it fixed. Why do you think touching kids is a requirement to be reimbursed?

/Pffffft! LOL!
 
2013-03-01 06:02:50 PM  
hasty ambush I'll admit that my tangent could be construed as a threadjack if you'll admit that the majority of Iraq financing was achieved by BORROWING so that it wouldn't count as SPENDING.That trillion and a half down the rathole is 50 grand per capita, but fu(k the per capita getting a c-note of food stamps or unemployment.
 
2013-03-01 08:44:47 PM  

rocky_howard: Do you think it's coincidental that crime starts going down once videogames become a heavy aspect of our society? And do you think is coincidental that crime starts to really go down once the Internet goes mainstream? Nope. Crime is down because we have other avenues to capture the kids attention,


Oh wait, you're serious....let me laugh even harder.

If you think those account for crime rates over the general US population you need to just go back to your fantasy world of video games and internet porn.
 
2013-03-01 08:58:55 PM  

Happy Hours: rocky_howard: Do you think it's coincidental that crime starts going down once videogames become a heavy aspect of our society? And do you think is coincidental that crime starts to really go down once the Internet goes mainstream? Nope. Crime is down because we have other avenues to capture the kids attention,

Oh wait, you're serious....let me laugh even harder.

If you think those account for crime rates over the general US population you need to just go back to your fantasy world of video games and internet porn.


Tell me why they don't. Oh wait, you can't and you're just being a contrarian.
 
2013-03-01 09:07:18 PM  

Branniganslaw: [www.mrtees.com image 310x310]


lets just say "I know some kids", CPS, [redacted issues], therapy, and never will be 'right'.
 
2013-03-01 09:47:34 PM  

rocky_howard: Nah, the Atari 2600 crashed and burned in 1983. And it was a fad because the games were extremely simplistic and shiatty.


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2013-03-02 02:48:47 AM  
Jesus farking Christ. How many of you dipshiats  still  think this asshole is some kind of "hero?"

Fark his bullshiat.
 
2013-03-02 04:03:24 AM  

hasty ambush: "When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you're paying a price for this war." - Barack Obama March 2008

"Applying that same standard to means-tested welfare spending reveals that welfare will cost each household $560 per month in 2009 and $638 per month in 2010."


*Raises hand.*

Just wanted to point out that welfare is good for the US and worth a tax hike, while the Iraq war was unnecessary and did no good at all. Not for the US taxpayers, anyway.
 
2013-03-02 12:35:49 PM  

Uncle Tractor: hasty ambush: "When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you're paying a price for this war." - Barack Obama March 2008

"Applying that same standard to means-tested welfare spending reveals that welfare will cost each household $560 per month in 2009 and $638 per month in 2010."

*Raises hand.*

Just wanted to point out that welfare is good for the US and worth a tax hike, while the Iraq war was unnecessary and did no good at all. Not for the US taxpayers, anyway.


If by good you mean creating a multi-generational dependency class then I guess yes it would be called "good" .  But if welfare were so great then places like Detroit would be economic boom towns  wouldn't they?

On the other hand what is the economic benefit in terms of jobs etc  with building ships, jets, cruise missiles, and JDAMS per dollar spent vs. food stamps and TANF?
 
2013-03-02 01:02:17 PM  

Darke: /i actually agree with the original comment here. I think a good swat is what some kids need. Obviously this changes kid to kid, but you're not trying to hurt them. You're trying to get their attention.


I prefer to threaten them with a rectal thermometer. They hate the taste.
 
2013-03-02 02:55:00 PM  

hasty ambush: If by good you mean creating a multi-generational dependency class then I guess yes it would be called "good" .  But if welfare were so great then places like Detroit would be economic boom towns  wouldn't they?


"Welfare" doesn't mean "free handouts" ...shouldn't mean that, anyway. Welfare means not having to worry about ruinous medical bills, worrying about whether you can afford to give your kids a proper education, worrying about how you'll pay your bills while you're looking for a job, and so on.

On the other hand what is the economic benefit in terms of jobs etc  with building ships, jets, cruise missiles, and JDAMS per dollar spent vs. food stamps and TANF?

Not anywhere near enough to make up for the damage.
 
2013-03-02 03:02:16 PM  
So, Joe Wilson thinks Richard Armitage should be frogmarched down PA Ave now?
 
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