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2013-03-01 11:04:49 AM  

OgreMagi: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Last week I asked my roommate to pick up some rocky road ice cream when he went to the grocery store.  I specifically said, "get the high end ice cream."  He brought back Breyer's.  It tastes like crap.


Blue Bell is the best out there IMO
 
2013-03-01 11:05:09 AM  

Poowaddins: NO to ∞ and beyond.

I stopped buying Breyers ice cream when it stopped being 5 simple ingredients and now has guar gum, gum arabic, cargeenan and other unknowns in it. It's like spooning into a frozen concoction made of Fluff, only worse tasting.


There's nothing wrong with guar gum, lecithin, gum arabic and carageenan. I use them in cooking. They're very useful when you have to work around dietary restrictions but still want textures the people you are serving recognize. For instance, I just finished a batch of home-made ketchup. If I hadn't used xanthan gum it would have either been completely liquid or boiled down so far the flavors would be lost.
 
2013-03-01 11:10:32 AM  

TV's Vinnie: MythDragon: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Breyer's Ice Cream
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What's in it? Only the stuff you need to make ice cream.

So on behalf of non-hipsters and regular sane people who enjoy good, reasonably priced ice cream, fark you. Breyer's rocks

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http://thefoodlabelmovement.org/2011/10/shame-list-breyers-frozen-de ss ert/


Well aparently this is recent. Though a lot of their flavors are still actual ice cream, such as mint choco, and natural vanilla. Since it looks like the flavors I like are still 'normal' it won't affect me. Won't be doing their dairy desert crap though. I guess I'll go to Blue Bunny for B&J for those flavors.
 
2013-03-01 11:23:03 AM  
We've already been oversold milk, now we want to and sweeteners to it as well as antibiotics and whoremoans hormones?

/not a fan of milk
//not happy about giant twelve-year-old boobies either
 
2013-03-01 11:33:48 AM  
Aspartame sucks, but Sucralose ("Splenda") is far, far worse to me. It tastes horrible. It's essentially added chlorine in your food. It is in no way as safe and healthy as plain old sugar.

And I drink a lot of milk. I love milk, in fact. I have such a taste for milk that I can tell what the cows are being fed (when winter comes, milk changes flavor as the cows switch to a diet without fresh grass. Grass-fed cow milk tastes better to me).

If they stick either artificial sweetener in milk and don't tell me, I will be pissed off. I take this seriously. I do not appreciate it when companies try to slip chemicals into my food without warning me on the label. I have a right to know what I am putting in my body.
 
2013-03-01 11:36:06 AM  

MythDragon: Well aparently this is recent.


Fairly recent afaik. I guess they expected to slip this crap by after the previous years as being known as a brand that makes "premium, all-natural ice cream" and think the shopper drones wouldn't notice. Fortunately for (kinda), I have allergies so I make it  a point to actually read the labels for ingredients that might screw me up, like peanut products (I'm not a snowflake who will keel over if there's so much as a peanut within ten miles of me. I can still handle REAL nuts like almonds. Just that for some reason, my body no longer seems to have what it needs to digest peanut-based products, so it'll stay in my stomach as an undigested lump until I have no choice but to do a Karen Carpenter over the white throne so I can stop being so damn queasy).

Another reason to keep a close eye on Hershey's, since they're also trying to get FDA approval to make Hershey bars without real cocoa.

As I said earlier, if these idiots want to replace their time-honored product with syntho-swill, they can, but don't try to keep it a secret that it will put the consumers at severe risk of reactions.
 
2013-03-01 11:38:19 AM  
A better article on this story makes it clear it's about milk products, not plain milk. FTFA:

As of now, those products have to clearly carry a label such as "reduced sugar," and they also have to meet stringent restrictions about how they are using such sweeteners, said Cary Frye, vice president for regulatory and scientific affairs for the International Dairy Foods Association.

If they don't, the industry can't say the product is still "milk."
 
2013-03-01 12:02:42 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Aspartame sucks, but Sucralose ("Splenda") is far, far worse to me. It tastes horrible. It's essentially added chlorine in your food. It is in no way as safe and healthy as plain old sugar.

And I drink a lot of milk. I love milk, in fact. I have such a taste for milk that I can tell what the cows are being fed (when winter comes, milk changes flavor as the cows switch to a diet without fresh grass. Grass-fed cow milk tastes better to me).

If they stick either artificial sweetener in milk and don't tell me, I will be pissed off. I take this seriously. I do not appreciate it when companies try to slip chemicals into my food without warning me on the label. I have a right to know what I am putting in my body.


The defect in this one is bleach.

But I'm right there with ya man. I love me a glass of milk with a meal. All the people in this thread who are like "People still drink milk after age 14?" are weird.

Regarding strange crap in the food, the cows will come home to roost on this sooner or later, mark my words. Don't get me wrong, I eat the same crap from the grocery store everybody else does, but all of this "food" we're eating is going to have consequences.

As a matter of fact there was an article in the paper the other day about a huge spike in aggressive breast cancer cases in girls age something to something, I forget. Immediate reaction was to wonder if it was in any way related to the underlying causes of puberty hitting kids at age 3 or whatever it is these days.

I bet the next thing will be a huge spike in male breast cancer cases, because those moobs everybody's sporting are actual boobs now from the weird-ass chemicals in the "food" being consumed.

Or maybe I'm just paranoid. I'm sure all this crap will work itself out. But if not, at least there's a lot of drugs we can't get rid of in municipal water supplies.
 
2013-03-01 12:32:30 PM  

log_jammin: Thanks for the supposition and the anecdote.

But I'll stick with science.


I wouldn't exactly call a blog post written by as self-admitted skeptoid in 2008 hard science.

That said, while I do agree there's no hard evidence, in my case I figure there's not reason to change my new lifestyle because it's obviously working.
 
2013-03-01 12:40:22 PM  

MythDragon: Breyer's rocks

ed

Ha!  Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla?  "Natural flavors" =/= Vanilla.
 
2013-03-01 12:52:25 PM  
*sigh* this should be amusing.

*contemplates dialing father*

"Hey Dad.  guess what.  Some day you're going to shiat several hours a day from the milk you're used to buying because it doesn't have anything in it that you're allergic to.  Congrats, it will.  Try buying something else.  I think the cows are stampeding"
 
2013-03-01 01:31:27 PM  
aspertane gives me acid reflux every time.
 
2013-03-01 02:01:28 PM  
Add me to the list of people whom aspartame makes horribly sick.  It actually makes my throat swell and close, and will destroy my digestion for a day or two.
 
2013-03-01 02:13:38 PM  

kaseyfarksdaladies: MythDragon: Breyer's rocksed

Ha!  Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla?  "Natural flavors" =/= Vanilla.


Oh what the dick? That used to say vanilla.
Fark you Breyers.
 
2013-03-01 02:34:43 PM  

BostonEMT: Great Porn Dragon:  I find the non-homo milk to be much nicer in mouthfeel, and without the bacterial risks of drinking raw milk without boiling it first ....

/snort.


Don't ever look at Canadian milk sections or old Borden milk adverts if this amuses you :D  (Even despite the bag milk, homogenised tends to be referred to as "homo milk" in most of the English-speaking world, and also in the US in a more innocent time :D)

/and would the sexual orientation of a cow change milk quality?  I think not
//if it did there'd be some serious effort at finding lesbian cattle
 
2013-03-01 02:39:28 PM  

phamwaa: Great Porn Dragon: I Cannot Has The NutrasweetDeath

That shiat turns me into Shakin Smith. No farking thank you.


Oh, trust me, I hear you--pretty much more than just a tiny bit of NutraDeath usually ends for me in my brain feeling like it's trying to escape my skull, weird swings in temperature sensation that tend to be linked with said headaches, multi-coloured electric confetti pixels raining down in my vision (even with the eyes closed, would be a nice effect were my head not pounding), tears, and projectile vomiting.  Not exactly fun.

(And yes, folks, this is kind of why aspartame in milk is kind of a big deal to some of us)
 
2013-03-01 02:50:23 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: phamwaa: Great Porn Dragon: I Cannot Has The NutrasweetDeath

That shiat turns me into Shakin Smith. No farking thank you.

Oh, trust me, I hear you--pretty much more than just a tiny bit of NutraDeath usually ends for me in my brain feeling like it's trying to escape my skull, weird swings in temperature sensation that tend to be linked with said headaches, multi-coloured electric confetti pixels raining down in my vision (even with the eyes closed, would be a nice effect were my head not pounding), tears, and projectile vomiting.  Not exactly fun.

(And yes, folks, this is kind of why aspartame in milk is kind of a big deal to some of us)


You might be thinking of lsd?

Common mistake.
 
2013-03-01 03:32:18 PM  
 
2013-03-01 03:33:09 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: The best way to make ice cream.

More info.


And now more info with link.
 
2013-03-01 03:54:18 PM  
Add me to the list of people who can't stand aspartame.

Aspartame causes me to spontaneously explode into a thousand pieces, and those tiny pieces then metamorphize into smaller versions of myself which then explode once more. I don't know the scientific basis upon which this occurs, but rest assured that it does, and that aspartame is much, much more harmful than sugar.
 
2013-03-01 04:01:24 PM  

Smackledorfer: Great Porn Dragon: phamwaa: Great Porn Dragon: I Cannot Has The NutrasweetDeath

That shiat turns me into Shakin Smith. No farking thank you.

Oh, trust me, I hear you--pretty much more than just a tiny bit of NutraDeath usually ends for me in my brain feeling like it's trying to escape my skull, weird swings in temperature sensation that tend to be linked with said headaches, multi-coloured electric confetti pixels raining down in my vision (even with the eyes closed, would be a nice effect were my head not pounding), tears, and projectile vomiting.  Not exactly fun.

(And yes, folks, this is kind of why aspartame in milk is kind of a big deal to some of us)

You might be thinking of lsd?

Common mistake.


Nope, aspartame.  :3   Believe it or not, migraines can cause some real weird sensory auras--the "technicolour confetti" is actually a common migraine aura, as is "snow" in one's vision and what can be best described as "electric lightning".  (Also had one migraine once as a little kid where pretty much my vision went into what I can best describe as a colour negative for about five seconds.)

In my case, when I have the really bad migraines I tend to have sensory auras (basically heat flashes directly associated with headaches), visual auras (the technicolour confetti in the corner of my visual field I mentioned) and some mild synesthesia (loud noises will make my vision "flash" and especially bright lights will literally make my ears ring).  And yes, tests by the neurologist confirmed it IS honest-to-dog migraine--when it started getting to the point I'd sick up I pretty much begged to see a neuro because I was terrified I could have something terribly wrong going on with my brain.

(Fortunately, I've not had the REALLY bad migraines for some time. :D  Those hit maybe once a year)
 
2013-03-01 04:27:30 PM  

Smackledorfer: tanman1975: Withing a day the resulting withdrawal symptoms of dizziness and nausea almost sent me to the ER half convinced I was on the verge of a stroke. This lasted over a week.

That's normal caffeine withdrawal.

Nope, I switched to coffee

tanman1975: Now, I'm losing weight, my constant bouts of apathy and depression have mysteriously disappeared and I no longer get the tired  spells I used to an hour after my diet coke fix.

Regardless of magical effects or caloric content, consuming tasty things that don't fill you up (ie. any beverages) tend to make your stomach send more hunger signals.  Unless you were already calorie counting religiously, you would see reduced appetite and consume less.

Not calorie counting, so who knows for sure. I have been drinking more water. Could be related to that.

tanman1975: Also, I went on a rare bender at a BBQ cook-off and traded my Jack & Diets for Jack and Cokes. Guess what? Didn't get drunk quite as fast or spectacularly and had very little hangover compared to the J&D induced head-smashers of old.

While sugar in a drink doesn't fill your stomach for hunger signals, it does provide calories, which may have an effect.  I also don't want to call you a liar, but in the study I read where diet mixers resulted in people who were more drunk, the folks in the diet group didn't report feeling any more drunk on average.  Finally, since you admit your bender was rare, it is very likely there are a boatload of factors going into your anecdote here.

Glady accept this as a possibility

tanman1975: What I didn't realize was that because I was limiting myself to 2-3 diet sodas early in the morning, I was actually going though withdrawal every day during the afternoon. My quality of life was in the crapper for about a year

Caffeine, how does it work?

As I indicated above, I switched to coffee, but no more evening lethargy and apathy

tanman1975: PS. I know it wasn't caffeine addiction because on the days I drank a coffee in the morning instead of a diet soda, I always felt like shiat, craved the diet soda and eventually had one.

Bullshiat.

This is where your science-y  argument takes an interesting turn. Can assure you no cow patties are being ingested or defecated related to this post

log_jammin: But I'll stick with science.

Me too.  /high five.


I'm very science-y in general. I just thought it was interesting that the doomsayer prevention article seemed to match my experiences after the fact.

Perhaps I have other factors going on that causes all this.  Certainly, whatever I'm doing right now has given me a better quality of life than before. I have no desire to mess up my new-found better life. Ain't broke, don't fix, yada yada yada.
 
2013-03-01 04:28:54 PM  
What kind of fat fark needs sweetened milk (aside from the stuff you cook with)?

If you want milk with sugar in it, you buy chocolate milk or that strawberry crap. How hard is that?
 
2013-03-01 04:43:48 PM  
I used to work with a girl who would have very serious reactions if she consumed even a small amount of some artificial sweeteners. These assholes could kill someone but who cares, right? Profits before people!
 
2013-03-01 05:03:22 PM  

anuran: Poowaddins: NO to ∞ and beyond.

I stopped buying Breyers ice cream when it stopped being 5 simple ingredients and now has guar gum, gum arabic, cargeenan and other unknowns in it. It's like spooning into a frozen concoction made of Fluff, only worse tasting.

There's nothing wrong with guar gum, lecithin, gum arabic and carageenan. I use them in cooking. They're very useful when you have to work around dietary restrictions but still want textures the people you are serving recognize. For instance, I just finished a batch of home-made ketchup. If I hadn't used xanthan gum it would have either been completely liquid or boiled down so far the flavors would be lost.


That's nice for people who can't stomach tomato paste, sugar/molasses/agave syrup, salt, vinegar, spices. But they have no place in ice cream, don't they know the workout you get from arm wrestling your ice cream with a scoop helps work off the calories from eating it?

Not to mention, I've noticed a corollary in the softer the ice cream, the more people spoon into their bowl. The harder you work for it, the less folks tend to serve. Plus, it's just fluffed junk that isn't satisfying when you do eat it, so you eat more as well to compensate. It just doesn't taste  right.
 
2013-03-01 06:53:14 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: Smackledorfer: Great Porn Dragon: phamwaa: Great Porn Dragon: I Cannot Has The NutrasweetDeath

That shiat turns me into Shakin Smith. No farking thank you.

Oh, trust me, I hear you--pretty much more than just a tiny bit of NutraDeath usually ends for me in my brain feeling like it's trying to escape my skull, weird swings in temperature sensation that tend to be linked with said headaches, multi-coloured electric confetti pixels raining down in my vision (even with the eyes closed, would be a nice effect were my head not pounding), tears, and projectile vomiting.  Not exactly fun.

(And yes, folks, this is kind of why aspartame in milk is kind of a big deal to some of us)

You might be thinking of lsd?

Common mistake.

Nope, aspartame.  :3   Believe it or not, migraines can cause some real weird sensory auras--the "technicolour confetti" is actually a common migraine aura, as is "snow" in one's vision and what can be best described as "electric lightning".  (Also had one migraine once as a little kid where pretty much my vision went into what I can best describe as a colour negative for about five seconds.)

In my case, when I have the really bad migraines I tend to have sensory auras (basically heat flashes directly associated with headaches), visual auras (the technicolour confetti in the corner of my visual field I mentioned) and some mild synesthesia (loud noises will make my vision "flash" and especially bright lights will literally make my ears ring).  And yes, tests by the neurologist confirmed it IS honest-to-dog migraine--when it started getting to the point I'd sick up I pretty much begged to see a neuro because I was terrified I could have something terribly wrong going on with my brain.

(Fortunately, I've not had the REALLY bad migraines for some time. :D  Those hit maybe once a year)


your gay
 
2013-03-01 09:09:25 PM  

tanman1975: log_jammin: Thanks for the supposition and the anecdote.

But I'll stick with science.

I wouldn't exactly call a blog post written by as self-admitted skeptoid in 2008 hard science.

That said, while I do agree there's no hard evidence, in my case I figure there's not reason to change my new lifestyle because it's obviously working.


A "self admitted skeptoid"? Um...OK...

Any way the site I linked to posted plenty of citations to back his comments. You are completely free to do the same.
 
2013-03-02 01:57:21 AM  
F*ck asspartame right in the ear.

I won't even drink it in soda pop. I check the hell outta my labels, cuz I have enough crap
going on in my head already and refuse to add artificial brain-wreck bullsh*t on top of a
perfectly natural foul temper.
 
2013-03-02 05:15:27 AM  
Yah so anecdotes aren't evidence. That said here's my anecdote. I really can't tell the difference in taste of aspartame in most sodas. On two occasions I've gotten a massive headache after having sodas at a restaurant. Both times the staff assured me I had not had diet sodas but regular ones. Both times I asked them to check the lines. Both times they had been switched. Given that I can't taste the difference and the staff really thought they were serving me regular soda, I'd call this a pretty good controlled, double blind test. Drink soda, get headache, ask them to doublecheck, find out lines were switched. That's enough evidence for me that I don't want aspartame in anything I ingest.
 
2013-03-02 10:25:29 AM  
Anecdote response: I have worked restaraunts, and it would be nearly impossible to switch the lines during replacing boxes of syrup. It is also highly unlikely that it happens that during a full cleaning nobody, including staff drinking it themselves, notice the switch untill you come in for dinner.

I have, otoh, had plenty of guests who have a tendency to constantly claim issues with drinks that weren't wrong. One lady claimed she was getting a sugar headache from her iced tea. At the time we only carried fresh brewed unsweetened. We gave her a secomd of the exact same drink and she was happy.
 
2013-03-02 10:51:02 AM  

Kittypie070: F*ck asspartame right in the ear.

I won't even drink it in soda pop. I check the hell outta my labels, cuz I have enough crap
going on in my head already and refuse to add artificial brain-wreck bullsh*t on top of a
perfectly natural foul temper.


why not just pop Adderalls with it instead
 
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