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2013-02-28 11:51:45 PM  
I would be really upset if aspartame was added to dairy products and wasn't on the label. Not only does that shiat triggers migraines for me, but I have a right, as does everyone else, to what is in what I eat and drink.
 
2013-02-28 11:59:12 PM  
I already made my public comment about aspartame. It makes me really, really, really, really dizzy for about 24 hours. Weird shiat.
 
2013-03-01 12:04:17 AM  
 
2013-03-01 12:13:00 AM  
HOW ABOUT NO?
FARK NO
DIAF NO
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
 
2013-03-01 12:44:47 AM  
Oh Corrupt Republican Dairy Industry, is there nothing you can't do
 
2013-03-01 12:47:27 AM  
So what will happen is I think, the same thing that happened with growth hormone.

1) Most of us will reject buying any milk at all for a while

2) Regional local dairies will start providing ASPARTAME-FREE milk, which will immediately outsell this crap

3) Walmart, Safeway and their ilk will wind up with the crap

4) Moar subsidies to the asswit dairy farmers who now can't sell their milk

5) Subsidized exports to third world countries

6) Dairy farmers complaining about the government taxing them too much and Obamacare while they keep getting more subsidies not to produce milk because the public has said go to hell with this aspartame-in-milk BS.
 
2013-03-01 02:12:41 AM  

Generation_D: 3) Walmart, Safeway, Costco and their ilk will wind up with the crap


Walmart and Costco sell an AMAZING amount of the milk in the US.
If even a small fraction of their purchasers started complaining and protesting, enough to generate nation media attention, you would find that Walmart can trivial change a supplier, just by its own regulations.

THE farkED up part about this, is that it isnt even making more milk, but just marketing. FFS
Label then, give us the choice ... sweetend vs regular ... let the market sort it out.
 
2013-03-01 03:04:27 AM  
i.imgur.com

/did not rtfa
 
2013-03-01 03:09:00 AM  
This pisses me off. Not the idea of using artificial sweetener in milk, but not wanting it on the label. People need to know what is in something and then can decide if they want it or not. Plus I can't see the harm of it being on the label. Artificially sweetened drinks are VERY popular in the US, plenty of people have no issue with them.

I can see no good reason for wanting to not have it on the label.

However on the other side, this author is quite clearly an anti-sweetener alarmist, so I'm not sure that her claims are valid. I haven't the time to read the original petition, but it is quite possible he's overstating the issue (like they are ok with it in the ingredient labeling, they just don't want to have to do anything special other than that).
 
2013-03-01 03:09:14 AM  
Horizon organic milk FTW.
 
2013-03-01 03:10:44 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I would be really upset if aspartame was added to dairy products and wasn't on the label. Not only does that shiat triggers migraines for me, but I have a right, as does everyone else, to what is in what I eat and drink.


ahh, that's so cute. you think you know now? or ever really have?
 
2013-03-01 03:12:15 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Bathia_Mapes: I would be really upset if aspartame was added to dairy products and wasn't on the label. Not only does that shiat triggers migraines for me, but I have a right, as does everyone else, to what is in what I eat and drink.

ahh, that's so cute. you think you know now? or ever really have?


The sad part is that the excuse for us not knowing is due to "trade secrets"

It's milk. How can it be a secret?
 
2013-03-01 03:12:42 AM  
I fail to see how people find artificial sweetener to be edible. Stevia, sucrolose, aspartame, or whatever, it all tastes like ass to me.
 
2013-03-01 03:14:22 AM  
Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.
 
2013-03-01 03:14:35 AM  
Yo dawg! I heard you like complex amino acid chains, so I put NutraSweet in your Sucralose and both of those in your milk, so you can have chemicals in your chemicals when you're ingesting chemicals!
 
2013-03-01 03:14:58 AM  
I wonder why this is happening. Is it because the dairy industry (or some other food-related industry) is planning on doing something worse, or if they already have done something worse.

Or, maybe, they're testing the system to see what they can get away with.

Ever since I heard about Monsanto and their bullshiat with the seeds, I'm starting to get a little more paranoid than I was before.
 
2013-03-01 03:15:58 AM  
The first link in the article goes to the FDA site where you can comment.For those too lazy to look for it, I've linked it   here
/I submitted the comment page yesterday with a different headline, but it didn't get listed :(
//Lets comment the hell out of this one.
///Behold, the power of FARK
 
2013-03-01 03:16:47 AM  

namatad: HOW ABOUT NO?
FARK NO
DIAF NO
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO


I want to add to this, but can't think of a significant contribution.

Sneakernets:
It's milk. How can it be a secret?

Seriously.
 
2013-03-01 03:21:36 AM  
Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?
 
mhd
2013-03-01 03:23:25 AM  
Is this worse than rice beer?
 
2013-03-01 03:26:39 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?


You have mental problems, d00d.

Maybe from the aspartame in yer milk?
 
2013-03-01 03:30:22 AM  
farm4.staticflickr.com

oblig
 
2013-03-01 03:32:24 AM  
Except aspartame will still be on the ingredients label. This just allows them to sell it as 'milk' and not 'reduced-calorie milk' or a 'milk product'.
 
2013-03-01 03:32:34 AM  
Milk Plus?

www.frontroomcinema.com
 
2013-03-01 03:35:13 AM  
content6.flixster.com
That's bad.
 
2013-03-01 03:36:02 AM  
I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

IMO, if these industries are going to slip their sh*t into our foods then we have every gawd-damned right to know what's in it. That was why everyone backlashed against "pink slime". Regardless if you think "It's Just Beef" or not, it's the fact that they've been sneaking that stuff into our beef supply in secret for over a decade without telling us.
 
2013-03-01 03:36:03 AM  
Why stop at flavoring to boost sales?

Just add cocaine.
 
2013-03-01 03:37:11 AM  

robohobo: Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.


Me too sometimes. Yay, New York.

:/
 
2013-03-01 03:38:05 AM  

buklau: Except aspartame will still be on the ingredients label. This just allows them to sell it as 'milk' and not 'reduced-calorie milk' or a 'milk product'.


"without any special label to alert consumers. "

so yah
the PROBLEM is that now, in order to buy FARKING MILK, you would have to read the ingredients?

HOW ABOUT FARKING NO!
DIAF NONO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO  NO NO NO NO
 
2013-03-01 03:38:11 AM  

log_jammin: The truth about aspartame


Do you have anything that explains why aspartame tastes so nasty?
 
2013-03-01 03:38:50 AM  

Reverend Monkeypants: robohobo: Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.

Me too sometimes. Yay, New York.

:/


Hooray for raw milk in general?

/compromise...it's not just for ordering pizza
 
2013-03-01 03:41:44 AM  
Our government will grant the milk industry's request.  This s because the government has defaulted on their job to protect the citizens and now only care about deep pocket donations.  If you think Obama is any different than previous presidents, you haven't been paying attention.
 
2013-03-01 03:43:04 AM  

robohobo: Reverend Monkeypants: robohobo: Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.

Me too sometimes. Yay, New York.

:/

Hooray for raw milk in general?


The bacterio-American community thanks you for your support. Pasteur was a genocidal maniac.
 
2013-03-01 03:43:41 AM  

TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).


Last week I asked my roommate to pick up some rocky road ice cream when he went to the grocery store.  I specifically said, "get the high end ice cream."  He brought back Breyer's.  It tastes like crap.
 
2013-03-01 03:45:13 AM  
Another reason not to drink that shiat. It's for calves.
 
2013-03-01 03:47:47 AM  

TV's Vinnie: log_jammin: The truth about aspartame

Do you have anything that explains why aspartame tastes so nasty?


best I can do
PDF warning though.
 
2013-03-01 03:49:14 AM  
OMFG, America has lost its sh*t.


Think of the kids! Put sweeteners in their fraking milk to get them to drink it!
 
2013-03-01 03:50:46 AM  
I think calling the  International Dairy Foods Association (IDFA) and the National Milk Producers Federation (NMPF)  would be a good idea.
 
2013-03-01 03:52:13 AM  

wraith95: I fail to see how people find artificial sweetener to be edible. Stevia, sucrolose, aspartame, or whatever, it all tastes like POISON ass to me.


FTFY. Seriously, I agree. Not only do they taste bad, I don't believe we should be consuming them in the first place. I predict many years down the line people will point and laugh at our time saying how stupid it was that we ate this garbage.
 
2013-03-01 03:53:08 AM  

OgreMagi: Our government will grant the milk industry's request. WAAAAHHHHH Fartbama.


Noooooooooooo, them industry lobbyists have NOTHING to do with anything!!!

Why, "industry lobbyists" don't even exist, right??
 
2013-03-01 03:53:57 AM  

OgreMagi: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Last week I asked my roommate to pick up some rocky road ice cream when he went to the grocery store.  I specifically said, "get the high end ice cream."  He brought back Breyer's.  It tastes like crap.


Breyer's used to be 'premium'-ish ice cream. Very few ingredients in each. It's only recently that they made the changes that make them unable to actually call it real ice cream anymore.
 
2013-03-01 03:57:01 AM  
i.huffpost.com
/sorry joe
 
2013-03-01 03:57:02 AM  
Lenny_da_Hog:
The bacterio-American community thanks you for your support. Pasteur was a genocidal maniac.

Meh.  It's clean enough and good for cookin' which is what we use milk for anyway around here.  I only know one person over 14 who drinks glasses of milk.
 
2013-03-01 03:59:12 AM  

NicoFinn: OMFG, America has lost its sh*t.


Think of the kids! Put sweeteners in their fraking milk to get them to drink it!


Especially since there's already a sweetener to put in milk to get kids to drink it -- it's called chocolate.
 
2013-03-01 04:01:28 AM  

OgreMagi: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Last week I asked my roommate to pick up some rocky road ice cream when he went to the grocery store.  I specifically said, "get the high end ice cream."  He brought back Breyer's.  It tastes like crap.


Damned Obama.
 
2013-03-01 04:03:16 AM  

SpdrJay: Yo dawg! I heard you like complex amino acid chains, so I put NutraSweet in your Sucralose and both of those in your milk, so you can have chemicals in your chemicals when you're ingesting chemicals!


win! so much win!
 
2013-03-01 04:03:22 AM  

OgreMagi: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Last week I asked my roommate to pick up some rocky road ice cream when he went to the grocery store.  I specifically said, "get the high end ice cream."  He brought back Breyer's.  It tastes like crap.


If you want good ice cream, you should be making it yourself. It's not hard.
 
2013-03-01 04:04:53 AM  
FTA: IDFA and NMPF argue that nutrient content claims such as "reduced calorie" are not attractive to children and maintain that consumers can more easily identify the overall nutritional value of milk products that are flavored with non-nutritive sweeteners if the labels do not include such claims. Further, the petitioners assert that consumers do not recognize milk-including flavored milk-as necessarily containing sugar. Accordingly, the petitioners state that milk flavored with non-nutritive sweeteners should be labeled as milk without further claims so that consumers can "more easily identify its overall nutritional value."

This shiat is so bizarre that it's not even English, anymore. We can "more easily identify the overall nutritional value of" something by not knowing what's in it? Huh?!?

I realize that it's always been profitable, but when did selling transparent nonsense to people become so utterly consequence-free?
 
2013-03-01 04:07:47 AM  

robohobo: OgreMagi: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Last week I asked my roommate to pick up some rocky road ice cream when he went to the grocery store.  I specifically said, "get the high end ice cream."  He brought back Breyer's.  It tastes like crap.

If you want good ice cream, you should be making it yourself. It's not hard.


You tell him.

BTW, Martha, I think you got screwed over on that whole stock dealing conviction. You were just a celebrity token. I was on your side.
 
2013-03-01 04:10:04 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: robohobo: OgreMagi: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Last week I asked my roommate to pick up some rocky road ice cream when he went to the grocery store.  I specifically said, "get the high end ice cream."  He brought back Breyer's.  It tastes like crap.

If you want good ice cream, you should be making it yourself. It's not hard.

You tell him.

BTW, Martha, I think you got screwed over on that whole stock dealing conviction. You were just a celebrity token. I was on your side.


I know you're being sarcastic, but yes, she did get screwed over.

Also, Martha Stewart is farking awesome.
 
2013-03-01 04:12:17 AM  
What the fark is the deal with companies wanting to not disclose what's in foods?
 
2013-03-01 04:14:15 AM  

OgreMagi: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Last week I asked my roommate to pick up some rocky road ice cream when he went to the grocery store.  I specifically said, "get the high end ice cream."  He brought back Breyer's.  It tastes like crap.


Here you go:

www.bluebunny.com
 
2013-03-01 04:14:37 AM  

LaughingRadish: What the fark is the deal with companies wanting to not disclose what's in foods?


Ask the US government. Again, avoid processed foods. Buy direct. Farmer's markets are great. Pringles, not so much.
 
2013-03-01 04:16:27 AM  

LaughingRadish: What the fark is the deal with companies wanting to not disclose what's in foods?


Because the further the food additive gets from being actual food, the less they want people to know so they can sell more product.

Jamie Oliver's  Food Evolution did a good job of breaking this down.  He'd go to high schools and elementary schools and show them what was actually in popular deserts and fast food items.
 
2013-03-01 04:16:44 AM  
it's fake.  meaning they'd have to REMOVE the lactose first, which ain't gonna happen.  it's impossible, from a chemical point of view
 
2013-03-01 04:19:12 AM  
It's interesting that we see so many attempts to avoid labeling. Industry doesn't want tell you if there's Aspertame in your milk. They don't want people to label their competing products as Bovine Growth Hormone free. They don't want to have to label their own products as containing GMO ingredients. The list goes on. It's as if they have something to hide.
 
2013-03-01 04:19:50 AM  
I'm pretty sure that article was misleading.

What it sounds like to me, is that this is not about whether the ingredients will be listed on the back label or not, but whether the finished product can be called milk.

For example, you can call a combination of milk, cocoa, and sugar: Chocolate Milk. Could you do the same if you mixed milk, cocoa, and aspartame? I think that is what's in question.

It's the same thing with chocolate. The FDA forced Starbucks to stop calling some of their products chocolate because they didn't meet the definition of what the FDA calls chocolate so now they're "chocolatey." Similarly, some types of ice cream are called "dairy desserts" (I believe it has to do with how much dairy fat is in them).

I am almost positive this has nothing to do with whether the ingredients would be listed on the product's labeling or not.
 
2013-03-01 04:20:11 AM  
They already sell a "fat free" half and half at my local Kroger, they remove all the milk fat and replaced it with high fructose corn syrup., LOL. I laughed out loud in the store as I read its label.
 
2013-03-01 04:23:44 AM  

swingerofbirches: What it sounds like to me, is that this is not about whether the ingredients will be listed on the back label or not, but whether the finished product can be called milk.


Milk should probably be milk.
 
2013-03-01 04:27:39 AM  

lolpix: Milk should probably be milk.


milk is milk. this is about....

Acidified milk (§ 131.111), cultured milk (§ 131.112), sweetened condensed milk (§ 131.120), nonfat dry milk (§ 131.125), nonfat dry milk fortified with vitamins A and D (§ 131.127), evaporated milk (§ 131.130), dry cream (§ 131.149), heavy cream (§ 131.150), light cream (§ 131.155), light whipping cream (§ 131.157), sour cream (§ 131.160), acidified sour cream (§ 131.162), eggnog (§ 131.170), half-and-half (§ 131.180), yogurt (§ 131.200), lowfat yogurt (§ 131.203), and nonfat yogurt (§ 131.206).

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/02/20/2013-03835/flavo re d-milk-petition-to-amend-the-standard-of-identity-for-milk-and-17-addi tional-dairy-products
 
2013-03-01 04:28:31 AM  
The NMPF has released a statement.


National Milk Producers Federation Statement Regarding Non-Nutritive Sweeteners Petition


As required by the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) food labeling regulations, all food products that include non-nutritive sweeteners as an ingredient must be clearly labeled and include the name of the sweetener on the package's ingredient statement.

The FDA petition would not change any existing requirements that aspartame, sucralose or any other non-nutritive sweetener be included in the list of ingredients if it is present.

This petition was initially filed with FDA several years ago to help address the growing issues surrounding both caloric limits and added sugars for flavored milk sold in schools. Some schools have removed flavored milk altogether, resulting in less consumption of milk by children and less consumption of milk's important nutrients. Allowing the use of FDA-approved sweeteners in flavored milk will allow those consumers who want a lower-calorie flavored milk to have that choice.


And from their own petition:

However, IDFA and NMPF argue that nutrient content claims such as "reduced calorie" are not attractive to children, and maintain that consumers can more easily identify the overall nutritional value of milk products that are flavored with non-nutritive sweeteners if the labels do not include such claims. Further, the petitioners assert that consumers do not recognize milk-including flavored milk-as necessarily containing sugar. Accordingly, the petitioners state that milk flavored with non-nutritive sweeteners should be labeled as milk without further claims so that consumers can "more easily identify its overall nutritional value."
 
2013-03-01 04:30:40 AM  
more like asparLAME
 
2013-03-01 04:31:41 AM  
NO to ∞ and beyond.

I stopped buying Breyers ice cream when it stopped being 5 simple ingredients and now has guar gum, gum arabic, cargeenan and other unknowns in it. It's like spooning into a frozen concoction made of Fluff, only worse tasting. I even went so far as to write the company to complain, they sent me a canned response and some useless coupons I never used. Like, really? If you want to do me a favor give me some coupons to Häagen Dazs or something better quality. Now we just spend a few afternoons throughout the spring and summer and make homemade ice cream. Tastes better anyway.

Whatever happened to real good milk? All of the shiat they sell here in Southern Indiana now spoils in less than a week and tastes horrid. Lots of people around here with cows but none that I know of that actually milk them. I've been craving to make a batch of homemade butter like my grandmother used to do. Homemade buttermilk biscuits with homemade butter and honey. Yum.
 
2013-03-01 04:35:21 AM  

Dr.Zom: And from their own petition:


the key part is nutrient content claims such as "reduced calorie"

Claims, not ingredients. all this really is, is they are asking permission to use artificial sweeteners in products instead of HFCS, and still be able to call it "chocolate milk" instead of "chocolate milk product" or the like.
 
2013-03-01 04:36:14 AM  

robohobo: Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.


Pasteurization is just a massive conspiracy that results from the evil triad of Pasteur and Big Pharma that has existed for 100s of years. There is no risk in drinking it, and the FDA just keeps it illegal for interstate trade to ensure that big agribusiness can keep ripping the sheeple off!

Anything that says otherwise is a lie, especially the claim that raw milk ever killed anyone! (Mostly infants and children, but they're really not important.)

But, I digress. YAY CAMPYLOBACTER!
 
2013-03-01 04:37:13 AM  

neongoats: They already sell a "fat free" half and half at my local Kroger, they remove all the milk fat and replaced it with high fructose corn syrup., LOL. I laughed out loud in the store as I read its label.


Do you know how hard it is to find regular half & half? In my little town of 7,000 lard arses they have 3 rows of Land O'Lakes Fat Free Half & Half in the dairy case, it sits there till it goes bad and they chuck it out. And you're right, it's all sugar and thickeners. Yet, the one piddly little row they devote to Prairie Farms half & half is empty 90% of the time and I have to hassle a stock boy to go back to the back and grab me a couple.

http://www.landolakes.com/product/15102/fat-free-half-half

Hmph.
 
2013-03-01 04:40:43 AM  

Insurgent: more like asparLAME


settle down BOY. they tested that chemical of phenylalanine and aspartic acid (both compounds that bodybuilders use) and tested them REPEATEDLY so that it's REAL TAME.
 
2013-03-01 04:41:43 AM  

BronyMedic: robohobo: Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.

Pasteurization is just a massive conspiracy that results from the evil triad of Pasteur and Big Pharma that has existed for 100s of years. There is no risk in drinking it, and the FDA just keeps it illegal for interstate trade to ensure that big agribusiness can keep ripping the sheeple off!

Anything that says otherwise is a lie, especially the claim that raw milk ever killed anyone! (Mostly infants and children, but they're really not important.)

But, I digress. YAY CAMPYLOBACTER!


Oh bother.
 
2013-03-01 04:44:45 AM  

Summoner101: Oh bother.


Pre-emptive strike against the Raw Milkies. What you do to your body, as an adult, is your business. Just don't go making it out to be anything it's not. If you want to suck it fresh from the teat, do so, with all the fun microbiota that it comes with (there's a reason modern milkers automatically detect things like udder abcess rupture and stop themselves) Just don't complain if and when you get sick.
 
2013-03-01 04:45:08 AM  

BronyMedic: robohobo: Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.

Pasteurization is just a massive conspiracy that results from the evil triad of Pasteur and Big Pharma that has existed for 100s of years. There is no risk in drinking it, and the FDA just keeps it illegal for interstate trade to ensure that big agribusiness can keep ripping the sheeple off!

Anything that says otherwise is a lie, especially the claim that raw milk ever killed anyone! (Mostly infants and children, but they're really not important.)

But, I digress. YAY CAMPYLOBACTER!


I've been cooking and baking with raw milk for years. It'd be more dangerous if I did intravenous drugs or had sex with common women.  So, what, how dare I buck the FDA? How dare I besmirch Pasteur? What's the problem?
 
2013-03-01 04:47:10 AM  

Summoner101: BronyMedic: robohobo: Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.

Pasteurization is just a massive conspiracy that results from the evil triad of Pasteur and Big Pharma that has existed for 100s of years. There is no risk in drinking it, and the FDA just keeps it illegal for interstate trade to ensure that big agribusiness can keep ripping the sheeple off!

Anything that says otherwise is a lie, especially the claim that raw milk ever killed anyone! (Mostly infants and children, but they're really not important.)

But, I digress. YAY CAMPYLOBACTER!

Oh bother.


You're going 50/50 with Alton. 50 for Fark's love of science, -50 for Fark's hatred of conservatives.
 
2013-03-01 04:47:16 AM  

robohobo: I've been cooking and baking with raw milk for years. It'd be more dangerous if I did intravenous drugs or had sex with common women.


And that's your decision. For a Raw Milk person, you're unusually calm and level-headed about it. Most of them I've encountered tend to tout unproven health benefits, vast misinformation about vitamins, and downplay the dangers of raw milk to children and infants. Believe it or not, it's as conspiracy theory laden and woo-filled as something like Homeopathy.

robohobo: So, what, how dare I buck the FDA? How dare I besmirch Pasteur? What's the problem?


Pre-emptive strike. I believe the military calls you collateral damage.
 
2013-03-01 04:48:23 AM  
On another note, Raw Milk wouldn't even be bad if the US would allow x-ray pasteurization for food products reaching consumers on a mass scale.

But no. TEH RADIATIONZ.
 
2013-03-01 04:51:15 AM  

BronyMedic: robohobo: I've been cooking and baking with raw milk for years. It'd be more dangerous if I did intravenous drugs or had sex with common women.

And that's your decision. For a Raw Milk person, you're unusually calm and level-headed about it. Most of them I've encountered tend to tout unproven health benefits, vast misinformation about vitamins, and downplay the dangers of raw milk to children and infants. Believe it or not, it's as conspiracy theory laden and woo-filled as something like Homeopathy.

robohobo: So, what, how dare I buck the FDA? How dare I besmirch Pasteur? What's the problem?

Pre-emptive strike. I believe the military calls you collateral damage.


I'm not a child or an infant. Nor do I care about the effects on children or infants. I'm not running commercials, or running a campaign. I find raw milk tastes better both in liquid and cooked/baked varieties. Since most folk don't have it as an option, I don't see what the issue is.
 
2013-03-01 04:52:03 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I would be really upset if aspartame was added to dairy products and wasn't on the label. Not only does that shiat triggers migraines for me, but I have a right, as does everyone else, to what is in what I eat and drink.


THIS.  If they start throwing aspartame in dairy products, that's going to pretty much result in dairy being alongside chewing gum and most diet drinks in the "Can never has again" category for me.  (Yes, I'm one of those unfortunates who is an actual, neurologist-diagnosed, aspartame-triggered migraneur.  Added bonus: A very large portion of my circle of friends and pretty much the entirety of my maternal family over the age of 40 is diabetic, and I've had to constantly note to family that I Cannot Has The Nutrasweet Unless I Like The Idea Of My Brain Trying To Kill Me.)

Which I'm sure is going to lead to some very interesting conversations in future with certain physicians I see who do worry I'm not getting enough dairy as is. :P

That, or I get to resign myself to going to the fully-organic non-homogenised "buy it in glass bottles from the groceries catering to locavores and foodies at about twice the price of normal".  (At least then I'll have a MEDICAL excuse for it, hehe. :D  Actually like the non-homogenised stuff better, it's creamier and easier to make stuff like palak paneer and yogurt and butter out of it.)

/albeit one of my friends may actually have it worse--diabetic, aspartame-triggered migraneur, AND has a hubby who is an actual gastroenterologist-diagnosed celiac...and yes, I'm also aware of people who are type I diabetic and celiac simultaneously (and actually clinically diagnosed with the latter--not a huge shock there as both are autoimmune disorders with strong epigenetic components)
 
2013-03-01 04:54:06 AM  

BronyMedic: On another note, Raw Milk wouldn't even be bad if the US would allow x-ray pasteurization for food products reaching consumers on a mass scale.


I'm still holding out for z-ray. It's two better than x.
 
2013-03-01 04:55:04 AM  

robohobo: I'm not a child or an infant. Nor do I care about the effects on children or infants. I'm not running commercials, or running a campaign. I find raw milk tastes better both in liquid and cooked/baked varieties. Since most folk don't have it as an option, I don't see what the issue is.


The problem is that it's touted as something it isn't by many people. That's why I made the statement that I did.

It wouldn't even be a problem to distribute the stuff commercially if we could go to X-ray pasteurization versus heat pasteurization in the United States, which wouldn't change the taste in the least. But that is fought against in every step of the way by people who seem to think irradiation of food is going to create Frankenstein's veggie monster.
 
2013-03-01 04:58:04 AM  
Item 1:  Whenever I see the word aspartame, I mentally pronounce it like a conjugated Spanish verb.  Aspartame, mi amor!

Item 2:  Why isn't the real news that companies are allowed to add high fructose corn syrup to milk and still call it milk?
 
2013-03-01 05:01:20 AM  

BronyMedic: robohobo: I'm not a child or an infant. Nor do I care about the effects on children or infants. I'm not running commercials, or running a campaign. I find raw milk tastes better both in liquid and cooked/baked varieties. Since most folk don't have it as an option, I don't see what the issue is.

The problem is that it's touted as something it isn't by many people. That's why I made the statement that I did.

It wouldn't even be a problem to distribute the stuff commercially if we could go to X-ray pasteurization versus heat pasteurization in the United States, which wouldn't change the taste in the least. But that is fought against in every step of the way by people who seem to think irradiation of food is going to create Frankenstein's veggie monster.


Fair enough. Personally, I buy, roughly, 95% of what I consumen straight from farms with little to no processing, and I find I'm healthier for it. Being in farm land, it's easy. I recognize for most it isn't a possibility. That being said, while I do drink glasses of milk, I don't like straight milk, though raw still tastes better. Also a good many cheeses use raw milk.  Again, it's not really an issue as most can't afford it raw.
 
2013-03-01 05:19:03 AM  

robohobo: Summoner101: BronyMedic: robohobo: Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.

Pasteurization is just a massive conspiracy that results from the evil triad of Pasteur and Big Pharma that has existed for 100s of years. There is no risk in drinking it, and the FDA just keeps it illegal for interstate trade to ensure that big agribusiness can keep ripping the sheeple off!

Anything that says otherwise is a lie, especially the claim that raw milk ever killed anyone! (Mostly infants and children, but they're really not important.)

But, I digress. YAY CAMPYLOBACTER!

Oh bother.

You're going 50/50 with Alton. 50 for Fark's love of science, -50 for Fark's hatred of conservatives.


Alton Brown doesn't bang the proverbial conservative gong all that often.  From my experience, most Farkers can separate the good things a person does from the things they disagree with that the person mostly keeps to themselves anyway.  It's called being an adult.
 
2013-03-01 05:22:37 AM  

BronyMedic: robohobo: I'm not a child or an infant. Nor do I care about the effects on children or infants. I'm not running commercials, or running a campaign. I find raw milk tastes better both in liquid and cooked/baked varieties. Since most folk don't have it as an option, I don't see what the issue is.

The problem is that it's touted as something it isn't by many people. That's why I made the statement that I did.

It wouldn't even be a problem to distribute the stuff commercially if we could go to X-ray pasteurization versus heat pasteurization in the United States, which wouldn't change the taste in the least. But that is fought against in every step of the way by people who seem to think irradiation of food is going to create Frankenstein's veggie monster.


Hell, I know people who won't microwave their kids food because "radiation".

Like, white folks from the burbs. Your beige dial tone types.
 
2013-03-01 05:23:07 AM  
It's MILK. It does not require sweeteners. Anyone who thinks otherwise has already been twisted by the factory food industry and should be put out of their misery. Hell, what they do with skim is bad enough, but I got used to the taste (and lower price) so I can't go back to the whole milk...
 
2013-03-01 05:26:15 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Item 1:  Whenever I see the word aspartame, I mentally pronounce it like a conjugated Spanish verb.  Aspartame, mi amor!

Item 2:  Why isn't the real news that companies are allowed to add high fructose corn syrup to milk and still call it milk?


"All natural" no less....
 
2013-03-01 05:28:15 AM  

ladyfortuna: It's MILK. It does not require sweeteners. Anyone who thinks otherwise has already been twisted by the factory food industry and should be put out of their misery. Hell, what they do with skim is bad enough, but I got used to the taste (and lower price) so I can't go back to the whole milk...


You can pry my chocolate milk from my fat, dead from a coronary fingers, Miss.

GIVE ME

1.bp.blogspot.com

OR GIVE ME DEATH!
 
2013-03-01 05:29:29 AM  

robohobo: BronyMedic: robohobo: Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.

Pasteurization is just a massive conspiracy that results from the evil triad of Pasteur and Big Pharma that has existed for 100s of years. There is no risk in drinking it, and the FDA just keeps it illegal for interstate trade to ensure that big agribusiness can keep ripping the sheeple off!

Anything that says otherwise is a lie, especially the claim that raw milk ever killed anyone! (Mostly infants and children, but they're really not important.)

But, I digress. YAY CAMPYLOBACTER!

I've been cooking and baking with raw milk for years. It'd be more dangerous if I did intravenous drugs or had sex with common women.  So, what, how dare I buck the FDA? How dare I besmirch Pasteur? What's the problem?


In your case, since you seem to mostly cook with it, I'd actually say there's probably not the risk that is involved in (say) people giving raw milk to kids or immunocompromised people.  (Cooking should kill off the bacteria most folks are worried about re raw milk; pasteurisation heats milk to 160 degrees F for fifteen seconds, whilst cake mixes...well...heat milk to rather higher degrees of 375 F for quite a bit longer than fifteen seconds in the oven. :D)

As an aside, though--in general, a lot of the complaints from folks who "drink raw milk for the taste" re store milk--and most of the real differences in raw versus pasteurised milk sold in stores that would account for differences in flavor profiles--tend to be from three major sources:

a) Raw milk is unhomogenised whilst the vast majority of milk sold in stores is homogenised.  (There ARE a few places that sell non-homogenised milk, mostly for the "foodie" and locavore market.  I find the non-homo milk to be much nicer in mouthfeel, and without the bacterial risks of drinking raw milk without boiling it first (I am immunocompromised--asthma, specifically--so I do have to worry re the health risks).)

b) A lot of raw milk is from breeds with a higher butterfat content in the milk--Jerseys, Brown Swiss, and the like--whereas most store brands are from Holstein cattle.  (Yes, this matters.  There is actually a chain in the Southeast that specialises in gourmet food (Fresh Market) that sells (homogenised) Jersey milk, and it does have a creamier and different flavour profile than that of Holsteins--it's like comparing a free-range heritage breed of chicken to, say, the usual battery-bred Plymouth White or Cornish Cross chickens.)

c) There is some difference with distance--not as much as one would honestly think, though.  (Also, re non-homogenised milk--that tends to be available mostly within a 50 mile radius or so of a particular dairy, if THAT far away, so again non-homo pasteurised tends to be almost exactly equivalent to raw milk save for the former being exposed to heat at 160 degrees F for 15 seconds.

(To be honest, I don't quite buy all the hoohah re "raw milk" cheese because realistically it's not truly raw milk by the time the cheesemaking process starts in earnest. :D  All cultured dairy products, from cheese to yogurt to sour cream, involve milk that is first heated up (usually to the point of boiling with "raw milk" cheeses, which effectively does the same thing as pasteurisation AND partially cooks the milk to boot) and then live cultures are added at around the same temperature as the human core body temperature (around 97-99 degrees F).  This is done because, quite frankly, it would be utterly impossible to turn out a reliable cheese or cultured dairy product otherwise--if they tried to make it with raw milk without boiling or pasteurising it first, they'd lose a lot of their product due to contamination from the bacteria (pathogenic and otherwise) that live in raw milk.)

(And yes, I highly recommend making your own yogurt at least once--not quite as complicated as with cheese, but you get a good feel for how the process of fermentation works to produce niftiness.  You can also make it creamier than you can get in the stores, and considerably cheaper too. :D  Just be sure to boil the milk (or at least heat to frothing), let it cool, then add some yogurt with active cultures as a starter once it gets to about 110 degrees F per a cooking thermometer...and then cover and let sit in a nice, warm, dark place for a day or two.  Strain it in cheesecloth if you want "Greek style". :D)

/boo camphylobacter
//yay lactobacillus! :D
///also yay bifidobacteria (Bifidobacterium, of note, is the proper name of the "Acidophilus" stuff you sometimes see in probiotic dairy products)
 
2013-03-01 05:29:48 AM  

BronyMedic: ladyfortuna: It's MILK. It does not require sweeteners. Anyone who thinks otherwise has already been twisted by the factory food industry and should be put out of their misery. Hell, what they do with skim is bad enough, but I got used to the taste (and lower price) so I can't go back to the whole milk...

You can pry my chocolate milk from my fat, dead from a coronary fingers, Miss.

GIVE ME

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 250x188]

OR GIVE ME DEATH!


It was better when it was chocolate, not "Chocolate flavor"

In 100 years there will be no food. Just "food".
 
2013-03-01 05:33:34 AM  

BronyMedic: ladyfortuna: It's MILK. It does not require sweeteners. Anyone who thinks otherwise has already been twisted by the factory food industry and should be put out of their misery. Hell, what they do with skim is bad enough, but I got used to the taste (and lower price) so I can't go back to the whole milk...

You can pry my chocolate milk from my fat, dead from a coronary fingers, Miss.

GIVE ME

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 250x188]

OR GIVE ME DEATH!


Am I the only one who prefers it from the can, instead of the squeeze whatever?
 
2013-03-01 05:56:47 AM  

MurphyMurphy:

In 100 years there will be no food. Just "food".


Futurama is proving sadly prescient.
 
2013-03-01 06:03:24 AM  
If you need sweeteners added to milk before you will drink it please kill yourself.
 
2013-03-01 06:10:29 AM  
www.whydoesthisnotexist.com
 
2013-03-01 06:11:13 AM  

Reverend Monkeypants: robohobo: Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.

Me too sometimes. Yay, New York.

:/


My wife and I started buying from a local dairy about 5 years ago.  It's the first milk I've actually wanted to drink a glass of in as long as I can remember.  SO delicious (though eeeevry once in a while if there's a lot of rain, it has a little bit of "muddy hay" flavor).  And after the refund on the glass bottles it comes in, it's cheaper than most other milk too.
 
2013-03-01 06:19:58 AM  

Oldiron_79: If you need sweeteners added to milk before you will drink it please kill yourself.


the dairy industry wants to add sweeteners to milk without informing the consumer. they should be held responsible.

personally i think all milk is gross. do people still drink straight milk from a glass?

i am not opposed to dairy products in general. i like cheese and butter and yogurt, but i've never enjoyed the taste of milk.
 
2013-03-01 06:42:51 AM  
I won't be able to tell is the headache, upset stomach and dry mouth is from my hangover or my breakfast cereal.

/Take artificial sweeteners and HFCS out back and shoot them both please
 
2013-03-01 06:47:06 AM  
I can't do aspartame, it makes me ill.
 
2013-03-01 06:54:51 AM  

ladyfortuna: It's MILK. It does not require sweeteners. Anyone who thinks otherwise has already been twisted by the factory food industry and should be put out of their misery. Hell, what they do with skim is bad enough, but I got used to the taste (and lower price) so I can't go back to the whole milk...


skim milk is watery semen
 
2013-03-01 06:58:06 AM  
www.foodrepublic.com
What? Where? I don't see anything!
 
2013-03-01 07:00:12 AM  
Great Porn Dragon:  I find the non-homo milk to be much nicer in mouthfeel, and without the bacterial risks of drinking raw milk without boiling it first ....

/snort.
 
2013-03-01 07:04:23 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Item 1:  Whenever I see the word aspartame, I mentally pronounce it like a conjugated Spanish verb.  Aspartame, mi amor!

Item 2:  Why isn't the real news that companies are allowed to add high fructose corn syrup to milk and still call it milk?


farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-03-01 07:07:18 AM  

LadySusan: I already made my public comment about aspartame. It makes me really, really, really, really dizzy for about 24 hours. Weird shiat.


gives me severe intestnal cramps and makes me a nasty SOb for a few hours.  fortunately you can always find it on the label because of the required warning :
Phenylketonurics - contains phenylalaninethat they have to put on things containing itr
 
2013-03-01 07:08:44 AM  

log_jammin: The truth about aspartame


So if something hasn't been linked to any diseases you are ok having it added to your food with no clear notice?
 
2013-03-01 07:08:56 AM  

NotARocketScientist: The first link in the article goes to the FDA site where you can comment.For those too lazy to look for it, I've linked it   here
/I submitted the comment page yesterday with a different headline, but it didn't get listed :(
//Lets comment the hell out of this one.
///Behold, the power of FARK


thank you for that link. I went over and commented.
 
2013-03-01 07:09:39 AM  

swingerofbirches: I'm pretty sure that article was misleading.

What it sounds like to me, is that this is not about whether the ingredients will be listed on the back label or not, but whether the finished product can be called milk.

For example, you can call a combination of milk, cocoa, and sugar: Chocolate Milk. Could you do the same if you mixed milk, cocoa, and aspartame? I think that is what's in question.

It's the same thing with chocolate. The FDA forced Starbucks to stop calling some of their products chocolate because they didn't meet the definition of what the FDA calls chocolate so now they're "chocolatey." Similarly, some types of ice cream are called "dairy desserts" (I believe it has to do with how much dairy fat is in them).

I am almost positive this has nothing to do with whether the ingredients would be listed on the product's labeling or not.


Stop being reasonable. This is not a thread for reasonable people.
 
2013-03-01 07:13:00 AM  

Onyx Serpent: NicoFinn: OMFG, America has lost its sh*t.


Think of the kids! Put sweeteners in their fraking milk to get them to drink it!

Especially since there's already a sweetener to put in milk to get kids to drink it -- it's called chocolate.


uh... no

chocolate is not sweet till you add sugar to it.
 
2013-03-01 07:14:18 AM  
I'm not worried about the ingredients list. Regardless, producers will be required to put all ingredients including artificial sweeteners on the label.

What gets me is that the whole point behind this push is to FEED ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS TO KIDS. There is NO reason for it. Eat less other crap. It's like the fat guy downing a Big Mac, fries and apple pie, but it's okay because he got a diet coke to go with it.

If I were in charge of the world, we wouldn't be putting artificial colors in our kids' food, much less artificial sweeteners.
 
2013-03-01 07:23:05 AM  

liam76: So if something hasn't been linked to any diseases you are ok having it added to your food with no clear notice?


again...it would still be listed as an ingredient. This is about not having to rename a product just because it uses a different type of sweetener.

for example, a company that makes chocolate milk and uses HFCS to sweeten it could still call their product "Chocolate milk" and not something like "low fact chocolate drink product" just because they switched to aspartame to sweeten it instead.
 
2013-03-01 07:25:13 AM  

ladyfortuna: It's MILK. It does not require sweeteners. Anyone who thinks otherwise has already been twisted by the factory food industry and should be put out of their misery. Hell, what they do with skim is bad enough, but I got used to the taste (and lower price) so I can't go back to the whole milk...


skim is not milk, it is colored water.
 
2013-03-01 07:26:16 AM  

BronyMedic: ladyfortuna: It's MILK. It does not require sweeteners. Anyone who thinks otherwise has already been twisted by the factory food industry and should be put out of their misery. Hell, what they do with skim is bad enough, but I got used to the taste (and lower price) so I can't go back to the whole milk...

You can pry my chocolate milk from my fat, dead from a coronary fingers, Miss.

GIVE ME

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 250x188]

OR GIVE ME DEATH!


i think you better re-read that label... it's not chocolate any more. (no cocoa butter)
 
2013-03-01 07:36:36 AM  

TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).


Breyer's Ice Cream
www.ideawerksstudios.com
Ingedients
1.bp.blogspot.com

What's in it? Only the stuff you need to make ice cream.

So on behalf of non-hipsters and regular sane people who enjoy good, reasonably priced ice cream, fark you. Breyer's rocks
 
2013-03-01 07:38:25 AM  

MythDragon: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Breyer's Ice Cream
[www.ideawerksstudios.com image 300x300]
Ingedients
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 654x495]

What's in it? Only the stuff you need to make ice cream.

So on behalf of non-hipsters and regular sane people who enjoy good, reasonably priced ice cream, fark you. Breyer's rocks


so does marmite, and lipton.  other AWESOME unilever products!!
 
2013-03-01 07:42:02 AM  

OgreMagi: Last week I asked my roommate to pick up some rocky road ice cream when he went to the grocery store. I specifically said, "get the high end ice cream." He brought back Breyer's. It tastes like crap.



You have been added to my "Fark you, Breyer's rocks" list.

/It's a short list. Currently only has 1 other person on it.
 
2013-03-01 07:47:37 AM  

Those standards (hereinafter referred to as the "additional dairy standards") are as follows: Acidified milk (§ 131.111), cultured milk (§ 131.112), sweetened condensed milk (§ 131.120), nonfat dry milk (§ 131.125), nonfat dry milk fortified with vitamins A and D (§ 131.127), evaporated milk (§ 131.130), dry cream (§ 131.149), heavy cream (§ 131.150), light cream (§ 131.155), light whipping cream (§ 131.157), sour cream (§ 131.160), acidified sour cream (§ 131.162), eggnog (§ 131.170), half-and-half (§ 131.180), yogurt (§ 131.200), lowfat yogurt (§ 131.203), and nonfat yogurt (§ 131.206).



These are the items it talks about... It seems like it's things that are already flavored... like chocolate milk or cherry yogurt. The only thing I'm confused about is if "acidified milk" and "cultured milk" is the normal 1% stuff we put in our cereal.
 
2013-03-01 07:48:07 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: I Cannot Has The Nutrasweet

Death

That shiat turns me into Shakin Smith. No farking thank you.
 
2013-03-01 08:01:08 AM  

Darke: These are the items it talks about... It seems like it's things that are already flavored... like chocolate milk or cherry yogurt. The only thing I'm confused about is if "acidified milk" and "cultured milk" is the normal 1% stuff we put in our cereal.


No, they aren't. Skim, 1%, and 2% are all skimmed of their fat, not acidified or cultured. Cultured would be a yogurt/kefir/cottage cheese style process. Acidified milk is not very popular in the US as it tastes like sour milk; used for baking aspects primarily.
 
2013-03-01 08:07:13 AM  

TanSau: ok, so no more milk then...

got it


almond milk is delish.

/mildly lactose-intolerant.
 
2013-03-01 08:09:21 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Onyx Serpent: NicoFinn: OMFG, America has lost its sh*t.


Think of the kids! Put sweeteners in their fraking milk to get them to drink it!

Especially since there's already a sweetener to put in milk to get kids to drink it -- it's called chocolate.

uh... no

chocolate is not sweet till you add sugar to it.


Actually, I think chocolate is sweet. It's the Cocoa that isn't sweet until you add sugar and create chocolate.

/could be wrong though
 
2013-03-01 08:14:26 AM  
Who the f*ck drinks milk in this day and age?
 
2013-03-01 08:19:23 AM  
Although I don't think there is evidence that artificial sweeteners are super evil super toxic going to cause cancer next year substances I still avoid them. I'd rather just limit my junk food to food with real sugar and limit it. I do think there could be something about artificial sweeteners that could screw up the body's 'I'm full because I just ate xx calories' mechanism. Your body tastes sweetness, doesn't get calories, this keeps happening to it, shiat gets messed up.

People think that sugar free gives them a ticket to eat the food- uh no it still has calories from other things grr.

My mom is a BIG Splenda user. She never uses real sugar and always uses Splenda. I don't think it taste weird, I just think they didn't add enough dextrose so it is sweeter than sugar and makes thing too sweet.
 
2013-03-01 08:19:33 AM  
Is aspartame cheaper than stevia for these producers?

/DNRTFA
 
2013-03-01 08:22:03 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Who the f*ck drinks milk in this day and age?


i have to drink it every night before bed, or i can't sleep
 
2013-03-01 08:33:32 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Who the f*ck drinks milk in this day and age?


I personally find it to be a great "decloying" agent if you will after eating very sweet things, it's traditionally something I drink when I eat breakfast, and also occasionally when I eat pasta with a tomato based sauce.

And in response to all of the Breyer's references, is it just me, or does the vanilla taste like mini thins?
 
2013-03-01 08:34:38 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Who the f*ck drinks milk in this day and age?


I know, that's like talking to your mom. Who does that shiat.
 
2013-03-01 08:39:41 AM  

parahaps: Breyer's used to be 'premium'-ish ice cream. Very few ingredients in each. It's only recently that they made the changes that make them unable to actually call it real ice cream anymore.


I've noticed this with some, but not all, of the Breyer's flavors. I prefer my ice cream without the texture modifiers that most manufacturers add to make it easier to scoop.

Turkey Hill goes on sale more often at my usual store, so I'll often pick up their Philadelphia Style.
 
2013-03-01 08:40:57 AM  
Meanwhile Uncle Sam continues to wage a KGB-style war against raw milk farmers...
 
2013-03-01 08:43:21 AM  

log_jammin: liam76: So if something hasn't been linked to any diseases you are ok having it added to your food with no clear notice?

again...it would still be listed as an ingredient. This is about not having to rename a product just because it uses a different type of sweetener.

for example, a company that makes chocolate milk and uses HFCS to sweeten it could still call their product "Chocolate milk" and not something like "low fact chocolate drink product" just because they switched to aspartame to sweeten it instead.


HFCS has calories. Adding a sweetener with no known nutritional value is enough to Chang it from 'chocolate milk' to some type of diet milk drink.
 
2013-03-01 08:45:07 AM  

spap-oop: If I were in charge of the world, we wouldn't be putting artificial colors in our kids' food, much less artificial sweeteners.


I get severe migraines from azo dyes, specifically Yellow 5, Yellow 6, and Red 40. I have to be very careful about  reading labels and asking questions at restaurants.
 
2013-03-01 08:47:59 AM  

log_jammin: The truth about aspartame


I'm not worried about aspartame being "bad."  I'm worried about crap being added to my food without showing up on the damn label.
 
2013-03-01 08:48:40 AM  

Generation_D: Oh Corrupt Republican Dairy Industry, is there nothing you can't do


Tell the truth, apparently.
 
2013-03-01 08:53:28 AM  

TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).


I also have to double-check when I'm trying to buy cheese that I don't get "pasteurized cheese product" instead.  I don't know what the hell that stuff is, but it doesn't taste like cheese.

And while we're on the topic, the fact that Kraft gets to call Kraft Dinner "Kraft Macaroni and Cheese" in the USA is pretty damn sad.
 
2013-03-01 08:57:48 AM  

namatad: Generation_D: 3) Walmart, Safeway, Costco and their ilk will wind up with the crap

Walmart and Costco sell an AMAZING amount of the milk in the US.
If even a small fraction of their purchasers started complaining and protesting, enough to generate nation media attention, you would find that Walmart can trivial change a supplier, just by its own regulations.

THE farkED up part about this, is that it isnt even making more milk, but just marketing. FFS
Label then, give us the choice ... sweetend vs regular ... let the market sort it out.


They tried that with growth hormone in milk, everyone knew Organic didn't have it, and within 5 yrs there was nothing that wasn't organic, except for the crap at walmart.
 
2013-03-01 09:10:24 AM  

Frosty_Icehole: And in response to all of the Breyer's references, is it just me, or does the vanilla taste like mini thins?


Never tried them. Maybe it's the mini thins that taste like vanilla?
 
2013-03-01 09:11:04 AM  

liam76: HFCS has calories. Adding a sweetener with no known nutritional value is enough to Chang it from 'chocolate milk' to some type of diet milk drink.


yes it does have calories, that's one reason people think our kids are getting fat. too much HFCS. Hence the request for the change.

The rest of your comment is nonsensical. Does a coffee cream and sugar become something else if you use an artificial sweetener? of course not. just because it's a sweetener with no calories that doesn't change the drink it's added to.
 
2013-03-01 09:18:01 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Why stop at flavoring to boost sales?

Just add cocaine.


That would give my morning coffee the extra something that it needs.
 
2013-03-01 09:18:28 AM  
I wish they had sweeteners stuck up their ass.  Why does everything have to have mutha farking sweetener?  How about giving me non-sweetened shiat?
 
2013-03-01 09:37:49 AM  
I'm not a big yogurt guy, but I just landed some epicness from this farm in Plano, TX...

www.luckylayla.com

/hol-ee shiat it's good
//and their milk is awesome too
 
2013-03-01 09:44:31 AM  

OgreMagi: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Last week I asked my roommate to pick up some rocky road ice cream when he went to the grocery store.  I specifically said, "get the high end ice cream."  He brought back Breyer's.  It tastes like crap.


I started making my own ice cream. Coming up with new flavors is fun. Surprisingly, peanut butter and banana work well (when combined with other ingredients, of course).
 
2013-03-01 09:59:42 AM  

Bob Down: Another reason not to drink that shiat. It's for calves.


I assume you consume no dairy products at all then, right?

And anything else you think god/mother nature/personified natural selection forces* intended for humans?

*tempered by personal beliefs on paar with 'area man passionate about what he perceives constitution to be', of course.


/science or gtfo
 
2013-03-01 10:20:09 AM  

MythDragon: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Breyer's Ice Cream
[www.ideawerksstudios.com image 300x300]
Ingedients
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 654x495]

What's in it? Only the stuff you need to make ice cream.

So on behalf of non-hipsters and regular sane people who enjoy good, reasonably priced ice cream, fark you. Breyer's rocks


springsbargains.com

http://thefoodlabelmovement.org/2011/10/shame-list-breyers-frozen-de ss ert/
 
2013-03-01 10:22:19 AM  

log_jammin: The truth about aspartame


I decided to kick my two diet soda a day habit a several weeks ago, knowing absolutely nothing about the supposed evils of aspartame.

Withing a day the resulting withdrawal symptoms of dizziness and nausea almost sent me to the ER half convinced I was on the verge of a stroke. This lasted over a week.

Now, I'm losing weight, my constant bouts of apathy and depression have mysteriously disappeared and I no longer get the tired  spells I used to an hour after my diet coke fix.

Also, I went on a rare bender at a BBQ cook-off and traded my Jack & Diets for Jack and Cokes. Guess what? Didn't get drunk quite as fast or spectacularly and had very little hangover compared to the J&D induced head-smashers of old.

What I didn't realize was that because I was limiting myself to 2-3 diet sodas early in the morning, I was actually going though withdrawal every day during the afternoon. My quality of life was in the crapper for about a year

I only recently found out about the supposed evils of aspartame after I was at the tail end of diet soda bannination hell, but a lot of the accusations seem to fit my experience. Can't vouch for the kidney failure though.

PS. I know it wasn't caffeine addiction because on the days I drank a coffee in the morning instead of a diet soda, I always felt like shiat, craved the diet soda and eventually had one. Besides, Coke Zero was my usual poison, which is lower on the caffeine scale than most
 
2013-03-01 10:25:46 AM  
That milk will be disgustingly watery. Think of skim milk only with the exact consistency of water. I highly doubt that aspartame will be able to replicate the mouth feel or exact sweetness of lactose.
 
2013-03-01 10:29:00 AM  

TV's Vinnie: MythDragon: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Breyer's Ice Cream
[www.ideawerksstudios.com image 300x300]
Ingedients
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 654x495]

What's in it? Only the stuff you need to make ice cream.

So on behalf of non-hipsters and regular sane people who enjoy good, reasonably priced ice cream, fark you. Breyer's rocks

[springsbargains.com image 350x261]

http://thefoodlabelmovement.org/2011/10/shame-list-breyers-frozen-de ss ert/


Having made a lot of ice cream in my life and being familiar with its keeping qualities, especially when frozen (which is why, if memory serves, they call it ICE cream), how bad does your frozen dessert product have to be to require preservatives. which some of those ingredients are?
 
2013-03-01 10:32:18 AM  
The only thing these people will understand is a string of very public executions.
 
2013-03-01 10:33:33 AM  

robohobo: BronyMedic: ladyfortuna: It's MILK. It does not require sweeteners. Anyone who thinks otherwise has already been twisted by the factory food industry and should be put out of their misery. Hell, what they do with skim is bad enough, but I got used to the taste (and lower price) so I can't go back to the whole milk...

You can pry my chocolate milk from my fat, dead from a coronary fingers, Miss.

GIVE ME

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 250x188]

OR GIVE ME DEATH!

Am I the only one who prefers it from the can, instead of the squeeze whatever?


How YOU Doin?  You'd be the first one I've been with.

/Not sure your gender, but I guess a but is a but.
 
2013-03-01 10:43:36 AM  

tanman1975: log_jammin: The truth about aspartame

I decided to kick my two diet soda a day habit a several weeks ago, knowing absolutely nothing about the supposed evils of aspartame.

Withing a day the resulting withdrawal symptoms of dizziness and nausea almost sent me to the ER half convinced I was on the verge of a stroke. This lasted over a week.

Now, I'm losing weight, my constant bouts of apathy and depression have mysteriously disappeared and I no longer get the tired  spells I used to an hour after my diet coke fix.

Also, I went on a rare bender at a BBQ cook-off and traded my Jack & Diets for Jack and Cokes. Guess what? Didn't get drunk quite as fast or spectacularly and had very little hangover compared to the J&D induced head-smashers of old.

What I didn't realize was that because I was limiting myself to 2-3 diet sodas early in the morning, I was actually going though withdrawal every day during the afternoon. My quality of life was in the crapper for about a year

I only recently found out about the supposed evils of aspartame after I was at the tail end of diet soda bannination hell, but a lot of the accusations seem to fit my experience. Can't vouch for the kidney failure though.

PS. I know it wasn't caffeine addiction because on the days I drank a coffee in the morning instead of a diet soda, I always felt like shiat, craved the diet soda and eventually had one. Besides, Coke Zero was my usual poison, which is lower on the caffeine scale than most


Thanks for the supposition and the anecdote.

But I'll stick with science.
 
2013-03-01 10:50:01 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: robohobo: BronyMedic: robohobo: Buy my milk raw from a local dairy. Yay, Kansas.

Pasteurization is just a massive conspiracy that results from the evil triad of Pasteur and Big Pharma that has existed for 100s of years. There is no risk in drinking it, and the FDA just keeps it illegal for interstate trade to ensure that big agribusiness can keep ripping the sheeple off!

Anything that says otherwise is a lie, especially the claim that raw milk ever killed anyone! (Mostly infants and children, but they're really not important.)

But, I digress. YAY CAMPYLOBACTER!

I've been cooking and baking with raw milk for years. It'd be more dangerous if I did intravenous drugs or had sex with common women.  So, what, how dare I buck the FDA? How dare I besmirch Pasteur? What's the problem?

In your case, since you seem to mostly cook with it, I'd actually say there's probably not the risk that is involved in (say) people giving raw milk to kids or immunocompromised people.  (Cooking should kill off the bacteria most folks are worried about re raw milk; pasteurisation heats milk to 160 degrees F for fifteen seconds, whilst cake mixes...well...heat milk to rather higher degrees of 375 F for quite a bit longer than fifteen seconds in the oven. :D)

As an aside, though--in general, a lot of the complaints from folks who "drink raw milk for the taste" re store milk--and most of the real differences in raw versus pasteurised milk sold in stores that would account for differences in flavor profiles--tend to be from three major sources:

a) Raw milk is unhomogenised whilst the vast majority of milk sold in stores is homogenised.  (There ARE a few places that sell non-homogenised milk, mostly for the "foodie" and locavore market.  I find the non-homo milk to be much nicer in mouthfeel, and without the bacterial risks of drinking raw milk without boiling it first (I am immunocompromised--asthma, specifically--so I do have to worry re the health risks).)

b) A lot of raw milk is from br ...



You're partly right about the cheese. Most soft cheeses are only heated up to about 110-115F, with cultures (mesophilic) and rennet added in the 85-95F range. Hard cheeses like parmesan, gruyère, etc. are heated to around 170F, but the cultures (thermophilic) are added at a lower temperature.
So, if you're going to make a mesophilic culture cheese, for example cheddar, you have the option of pasturising your milk beforehand--I think heating it at 145F for 30 minutes or 165F for 5 minutes (there seems to be a range of times and temps)--or, optionally and what I think many artesan cheese makers do, is age the cheese for at least 6 months. I think the FDA allows raw milk cheese to be sold this way, at least in Vermont.
I do agree with you about the yogurt. Got a Yogotherm several months ago, make 2 litres of yogurt every Sunday night, and there's a fresh batch for my lunches come Monday morning.
/hobby cheesemaker
 
2013-03-01 10:52:03 AM  

log_jammin: The truth about aspartame


Is that it tastes farking disgusting and therefore doesn't belong anywhere near food, much less farking MILK.
 
2013-03-01 10:53:28 AM  

sycraft: This pisses me off. Not the idea of using artificial sweetener in milk, but not wanting it on the label. People need to know what is in something and then can decide if they want it or not. Plus I can't see the harm of it being on the label. Artificially sweetened drinks are VERY popular in the US, plenty of people have no issue with them.

I can see no good reason for wanting to not have it on the label.

However on the other side, this author is quite clearly an anti-sweetener alarmist, so I'm not sure that her claims are valid. I haven't the time to read the original petition, but it is quite possible he's overstating the issue (like they are ok with it in the ingredient labeling, they just don't want to have to do anything special other than that).


I feel the same way about GMO.  If you are that confident in your product that you are trying to sell it to us anyway, farking TELL US.
 
2013-03-01 10:54:56 AM  

tanman1975: Withing a day the resulting withdrawal symptoms of dizziness and nausea almost sent me to the ER half convinced I was on the verge of a stroke. This lasted over a week.


That's normal caffeine withdrawal.

tanman1975: Now, I'm losing weight, my constant bouts of apathy and depression have mysteriously disappeared and I no longer get the tired  spells I used to an hour after my diet coke fix.


Regardless of magical effects or caloric content, consuming tasty things that don't fill you up (ie. any beverages) tend to make your stomach send more hunger signals.  Unless you were already calorie counting religiously, you would see reduced appetite and consume less.

tanman1975: Also, I went on a rare bender at a BBQ cook-off and traded my Jack & Diets for Jack and Cokes. Guess what? Didn't get drunk quite as fast or spectacularly and had very little hangover compared to the J&D induced head-smashers of old.


While sugar in a drink doesn't fill your stomach for hunger signals, it does provide calories, which may have an effect.  I also don't want to call you a liar, but in the study I read where diet mixers resulted in people who were more drunk, the folks in the diet group didn't report feeling any more drunk on average.  Finally, since you admit your bender was rare, it is very likely there are a boatload of factors going into your anecdote here.

tanman1975: What I didn't realize was that because I was limiting myself to 2-3 diet sodas early in the morning, I was actually going though withdrawal every day during the afternoon. My quality of life was in the crapper for about a year


Caffeine, how does it work?

tanman1975: PS. I know it wasn't caffeine addiction because on the days I drank a coffee in the morning instead of a diet soda, I always felt like shiat, craved the diet soda and eventually had one.


Bullshiat.


log_jammin: But I'll stick with science.


Me too.  /high five.
 
2013-03-01 10:57:55 AM  

Communist_Manifesto: That milk will be disgustingly watery. Think of skim milk only with the exact consistency of water. I highly doubt that aspartame will be able to replicate the mouth feel or exact sweetness of lactose.


Don't fret, they'll find another chemical to balance that effect out. Plus this is, according to the dairy industry themselves, all about adjusting children to the new milk and slipping it past them without them thinking its a 'diet' product. An entire generation will never know, and when my son is my age, he'll be mocking people who drink and defend shiatty milk the same way I mock people on fark for thinking wonderbread is a miracle of science.

When your parents never introduce you to real food, you continue liking garbage as an adult, afaict.
 
2013-03-01 11:04:33 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Horizon organic milk FTW.


lolno
that stuff is shiat

/raw milk ftw
 
2013-03-01 11:04:49 AM  

OgreMagi: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Last week I asked my roommate to pick up some rocky road ice cream when he went to the grocery store.  I specifically said, "get the high end ice cream."  He brought back Breyer's.  It tastes like crap.


Blue Bell is the best out there IMO
 
2013-03-01 11:05:09 AM  

Poowaddins: NO to ∞ and beyond.

I stopped buying Breyers ice cream when it stopped being 5 simple ingredients and now has guar gum, gum arabic, cargeenan and other unknowns in it. It's like spooning into a frozen concoction made of Fluff, only worse tasting.


There's nothing wrong with guar gum, lecithin, gum arabic and carageenan. I use them in cooking. They're very useful when you have to work around dietary restrictions but still want textures the people you are serving recognize. For instance, I just finished a batch of home-made ketchup. If I hadn't used xanthan gum it would have either been completely liquid or boiled down so far the flavors would be lost.
 
2013-03-01 11:10:32 AM  

TV's Vinnie: MythDragon: TV's Vinnie: I already avoid Breyer's because they are a "frozen dessert" (they can't legally call their stuff "ice cream" because, it isn't).

Breyer's Ice Cream
[www.ideawerksstudios.com image 300x300]
Ingedients
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 654x495]

What's in it? Only the stuff you need to make ice cream.

So on behalf of non-hipsters and regular sane people who enjoy good, reasonably priced ice cream, fark you. Breyer's rocks

[springsbargains.com image 350x261]

http://thefoodlabelmovement.org/2011/10/shame-list-breyers-frozen-de ss ert/


Well aparently this is recent. Though a lot of their flavors are still actual ice cream, such as mint choco, and natural vanilla. Since it looks like the flavors I like are still 'normal' it won't affect me. Won't be doing their dairy desert crap though. I guess I'll go to Blue Bunny for B&J for those flavors.
 
2013-03-01 11:23:03 AM  
We've already been oversold milk, now we want to and sweeteners to it as well as antibiotics and whoremoans hormones?

/not a fan of milk
//not happy about giant twelve-year-old boobies either
 
2013-03-01 11:33:48 AM  
Aspartame sucks, but Sucralose ("Splenda") is far, far worse to me. It tastes horrible. It's essentially added chlorine in your food. It is in no way as safe and healthy as plain old sugar.

And I drink a lot of milk. I love milk, in fact. I have such a taste for milk that I can tell what the cows are being fed (when winter comes, milk changes flavor as the cows switch to a diet without fresh grass. Grass-fed cow milk tastes better to me).

If they stick either artificial sweetener in milk and don't tell me, I will be pissed off. I take this seriously. I do not appreciate it when companies try to slip chemicals into my food without warning me on the label. I have a right to know what I am putting in my body.
 
2013-03-01 11:36:06 AM  

MythDragon: Well aparently this is recent.


Fairly recent afaik. I guess they expected to slip this crap by after the previous years as being known as a brand that makes "premium, all-natural ice cream" and think the shopper drones wouldn't notice. Fortunately for (kinda), I have allergies so I make it  a point to actually read the labels for ingredients that might screw me up, like peanut products (I'm not a snowflake who will keel over if there's so much as a peanut within ten miles of me. I can still handle REAL nuts like almonds. Just that for some reason, my body no longer seems to have what it needs to digest peanut-based products, so it'll stay in my stomach as an undigested lump until I have no choice but to do a Karen Carpenter over the white throne so I can stop being so damn queasy).

Another reason to keep a close eye on Hershey's, since they're also trying to get FDA approval to make Hershey bars without real cocoa.

As I said earlier, if these idiots want to replace their time-honored product with syntho-swill, they can, but don't try to keep it a secret that it will put the consumers at severe risk of reactions.
 
2013-03-01 11:38:19 AM  
A better article on this story makes it clear it's about milk products, not plain milk. FTFA:

As of now, those products have to clearly carry a label such as "reduced sugar," and they also have to meet stringent restrictions about how they are using such sweeteners, said Cary Frye, vice president for regulatory and scientific affairs for the International Dairy Foods Association.

If they don't, the industry can't say the product is still "milk."
 
2013-03-01 12:02:42 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Aspartame sucks, but Sucralose ("Splenda") is far, far worse to me. It tastes horrible. It's essentially added chlorine in your food. It is in no way as safe and healthy as plain old sugar.

And I drink a lot of milk. I love milk, in fact. I have such a taste for milk that I can tell what the cows are being fed (when winter comes, milk changes flavor as the cows switch to a diet without fresh grass. Grass-fed cow milk tastes better to me).

If they stick either artificial sweetener in milk and don't tell me, I will be pissed off. I take this seriously. I do not appreciate it when companies try to slip chemicals into my food without warning me on the label. I have a right to know what I am putting in my body.


The defect in this one is bleach.

But I'm right there with ya man. I love me a glass of milk with a meal. All the people in this thread who are like "People still drink milk after age 14?" are weird.

Regarding strange crap in the food, the cows will come home to roost on this sooner or later, mark my words. Don't get me wrong, I eat the same crap from the grocery store everybody else does, but all of this "food" we're eating is going to have consequences.

As a matter of fact there was an article in the paper the other day about a huge spike in aggressive breast cancer cases in girls age something to something, I forget. Immediate reaction was to wonder if it was in any way related to the underlying causes of puberty hitting kids at age 3 or whatever it is these days.

I bet the next thing will be a huge spike in male breast cancer cases, because those moobs everybody's sporting are actual boobs now from the weird-ass chemicals in the "food" being consumed.

Or maybe I'm just paranoid. I'm sure all this crap will work itself out. But if not, at least there's a lot of drugs we can't get rid of in municipal water supplies.
 
2013-03-01 12:32:30 PM  

log_jammin: Thanks for the supposition and the anecdote.

But I'll stick with science.


I wouldn't exactly call a blog post written by as self-admitted skeptoid in 2008 hard science.

That said, while I do agree there's no hard evidence, in my case I figure there's not reason to change my new lifestyle because it's obviously working.
 
2013-03-01 12:40:22 PM  

MythDragon: Breyer's rocks

ed

Ha!  Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla?  "Natural flavors" =/= Vanilla.
 
2013-03-01 12:52:25 PM  
*sigh* this should be amusing.

*contemplates dialing father*

"Hey Dad.  guess what.  Some day you're going to shiat several hours a day from the milk you're used to buying because it doesn't have anything in it that you're allergic to.  Congrats, it will.  Try buying something else.  I think the cows are stampeding"
 
2013-03-01 01:31:27 PM  
aspertane gives me acid reflux every time.
 
2013-03-01 02:01:28 PM  
Add me to the list of people whom aspartame makes horribly sick.  It actually makes my throat swell and close, and will destroy my digestion for a day or two.
 
2013-03-01 02:13:38 PM  

kaseyfarksdaladies: MythDragon: Breyer's rocksed

Ha!  Vanilla ice cream with no vanilla?  "Natural flavors" =/= Vanilla.


Oh what the dick? That used to say vanilla.
Fark you Breyers.
 
2013-03-01 02:34:43 PM  

BostonEMT: Great Porn Dragon:  I find the non-homo milk to be much nicer in mouthfeel, and without the bacterial risks of drinking raw milk without boiling it first ....

/snort.


Don't ever look at Canadian milk sections or old Borden milk adverts if this amuses you :D  (Even despite the bag milk, homogenised tends to be referred to as "homo milk" in most of the English-speaking world, and also in the US in a more innocent time :D)

/and would the sexual orientation of a cow change milk quality?  I think not
//if it did there'd be some serious effort at finding lesbian cattle
 
2013-03-01 02:39:28 PM  

phamwaa: Great Porn Dragon: I Cannot Has The NutrasweetDeath

That shiat turns me into Shakin Smith. No farking thank you.


Oh, trust me, I hear you--pretty much more than just a tiny bit of NutraDeath usually ends for me in my brain feeling like it's trying to escape my skull, weird swings in temperature sensation that tend to be linked with said headaches, multi-coloured electric confetti pixels raining down in my vision (even with the eyes closed, would be a nice effect were my head not pounding), tears, and projectile vomiting.  Not exactly fun.

(And yes, folks, this is kind of why aspartame in milk is kind of a big deal to some of us)
 
2013-03-01 02:50:23 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: phamwaa: Great Porn Dragon: I Cannot Has The NutrasweetDeath

That shiat turns me into Shakin Smith. No farking thank you.

Oh, trust me, I hear you--pretty much more than just a tiny bit of NutraDeath usually ends for me in my brain feeling like it's trying to escape my skull, weird swings in temperature sensation that tend to be linked with said headaches, multi-coloured electric confetti pixels raining down in my vision (even with the eyes closed, would be a nice effect were my head not pounding), tears, and projectile vomiting.  Not exactly fun.

(And yes, folks, this is kind of why aspartame in milk is kind of a big deal to some of us)


You might be thinking of lsd?

Common mistake.
 
2013-03-01 03:32:18 PM  
 
2013-03-01 03:33:09 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: The best way to make ice cream.

More info.


And now more info with link.
 
2013-03-01 03:54:18 PM  
Add me to the list of people who can't stand aspartame.

Aspartame causes me to spontaneously explode into a thousand pieces, and those tiny pieces then metamorphize into smaller versions of myself which then explode once more. I don't know the scientific basis upon which this occurs, but rest assured that it does, and that aspartame is much, much more harmful than sugar.
 
2013-03-01 04:01:24 PM  

Smackledorfer: Great Porn Dragon: phamwaa: Great Porn Dragon: I Cannot Has The NutrasweetDeath

That shiat turns me into Shakin Smith. No farking thank you.

Oh, trust me, I hear you--pretty much more than just a tiny bit of NutraDeath usually ends for me in my brain feeling like it's trying to escape my skull, weird swings in temperature sensation that tend to be linked with said headaches, multi-coloured electric confetti pixels raining down in my vision (even with the eyes closed, would be a nice effect were my head not pounding), tears, and projectile vomiting.  Not exactly fun.

(And yes, folks, this is kind of why aspartame in milk is kind of a big deal to some of us)

You might be thinking of lsd?

Common mistake.


Nope, aspartame.  :3   Believe it or not, migraines can cause some real weird sensory auras--the "technicolour confetti" is actually a common migraine aura, as is "snow" in one's vision and what can be best described as "electric lightning".  (Also had one migraine once as a little kid where pretty much my vision went into what I can best describe as a colour negative for about five seconds.)

In my case, when I have the really bad migraines I tend to have sensory auras (basically heat flashes directly associated with headaches), visual auras (the technicolour confetti in the corner of my visual field I mentioned) and some mild synesthesia (loud noises will make my vision "flash" and especially bright lights will literally make my ears ring).  And yes, tests by the neurologist confirmed it IS honest-to-dog migraine--when it started getting to the point I'd sick up I pretty much begged to see a neuro because I was terrified I could have something terribly wrong going on with my brain.

(Fortunately, I've not had the REALLY bad migraines for some time. :D  Those hit maybe once a year)
 
2013-03-01 04:27:30 PM  

Smackledorfer: tanman1975: Withing a day the resulting withdrawal symptoms of dizziness and nausea almost sent me to the ER half convinced I was on the verge of a stroke. This lasted over a week.

That's normal caffeine withdrawal.

Nope, I switched to coffee

tanman1975: Now, I'm losing weight, my constant bouts of apathy and depression have mysteriously disappeared and I no longer get the tired  spells I used to an hour after my diet coke fix.

Regardless of magical effects or caloric content, consuming tasty things that don't fill you up (ie. any beverages) tend to make your stomach send more hunger signals.  Unless you were already calorie counting religiously, you would see reduced appetite and consume less.

Not calorie counting, so who knows for sure. I have been drinking more water. Could be related to that.

tanman1975: Also, I went on a rare bender at a BBQ cook-off and traded my Jack & Diets for Jack and Cokes. Guess what? Didn't get drunk quite as fast or spectacularly and had very little hangover compared to the J&D induced head-smashers of old.

While sugar in a drink doesn't fill your stomach for hunger signals, it does provide calories, which may have an effect.  I also don't want to call you a liar, but in the study I read where diet mixers resulted in people who were more drunk, the folks in the diet group didn't report feeling any more drunk on average.  Finally, since you admit your bender was rare, it is very likely there are a boatload of factors going into your anecdote here.

Glady accept this as a possibility

tanman1975: What I didn't realize was that because I was limiting myself to 2-3 diet sodas early in the morning, I was actually going though withdrawal every day during the afternoon. My quality of life was in the crapper for about a year

Caffeine, how does it work?

As I indicated above, I switched to coffee, but no more evening lethargy and apathy

tanman1975: PS. I know it wasn't caffeine addiction because on the days I drank a coffee in the morning instead of a diet soda, I always felt like shiat, craved the diet soda and eventually had one.

Bullshiat.

This is where your science-y  argument takes an interesting turn. Can assure you no cow patties are being ingested or defecated related to this post

log_jammin: But I'll stick with science.

Me too.  /high five.


I'm very science-y in general. I just thought it was interesting that the doomsayer prevention article seemed to match my experiences after the fact.

Perhaps I have other factors going on that causes all this.  Certainly, whatever I'm doing right now has given me a better quality of life than before. I have no desire to mess up my new-found better life. Ain't broke, don't fix, yada yada yada.
 
2013-03-01 04:28:54 PM  
What kind of fat fark needs sweetened milk (aside from the stuff you cook with)?

If you want milk with sugar in it, you buy chocolate milk or that strawberry crap. How hard is that?
 
2013-03-01 04:43:48 PM  
I used to work with a girl who would have very serious reactions if she consumed even a small amount of some artificial sweeteners. These assholes could kill someone but who cares, right? Profits before people!
 
2013-03-01 05:03:22 PM  

anuran: Poowaddins: NO to ∞ and beyond.

I stopped buying Breyers ice cream when it stopped being 5 simple ingredients and now has guar gum, gum arabic, cargeenan and other unknowns in it. It's like spooning into a frozen concoction made of Fluff, only worse tasting.

There's nothing wrong with guar gum, lecithin, gum arabic and carageenan. I use them in cooking. They're very useful when you have to work around dietary restrictions but still want textures the people you are serving recognize. For instance, I just finished a batch of home-made ketchup. If I hadn't used xanthan gum it would have either been completely liquid or boiled down so far the flavors would be lost.


That's nice for people who can't stomach tomato paste, sugar/molasses/agave syrup, salt, vinegar, spices. But they have no place in ice cream, don't they know the workout you get from arm wrestling your ice cream with a scoop helps work off the calories from eating it?

Not to mention, I've noticed a corollary in the softer the ice cream, the more people spoon into their bowl. The harder you work for it, the less folks tend to serve. Plus, it's just fluffed junk that isn't satisfying when you do eat it, so you eat more as well to compensate. It just doesn't taste  right.
 
2013-03-01 06:53:14 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: Smackledorfer: Great Porn Dragon: phamwaa: Great Porn Dragon: I Cannot Has The NutrasweetDeath

That shiat turns me into Shakin Smith. No farking thank you.

Oh, trust me, I hear you--pretty much more than just a tiny bit of NutraDeath usually ends for me in my brain feeling like it's trying to escape my skull, weird swings in temperature sensation that tend to be linked with said headaches, multi-coloured electric confetti pixels raining down in my vision (even with the eyes closed, would be a nice effect were my head not pounding), tears, and projectile vomiting.  Not exactly fun.

(And yes, folks, this is kind of why aspartame in milk is kind of a big deal to some of us)

You might be thinking of lsd?

Common mistake.

Nope, aspartame.  :3   Believe it or not, migraines can cause some real weird sensory auras--the "technicolour confetti" is actually a common migraine aura, as is "snow" in one's vision and what can be best described as "electric lightning".  (Also had one migraine once as a little kid where pretty much my vision went into what I can best describe as a colour negative for about five seconds.)

In my case, when I have the really bad migraines I tend to have sensory auras (basically heat flashes directly associated with headaches), visual auras (the technicolour confetti in the corner of my visual field I mentioned) and some mild synesthesia (loud noises will make my vision "flash" and especially bright lights will literally make my ears ring).  And yes, tests by the neurologist confirmed it IS honest-to-dog migraine--when it started getting to the point I'd sick up I pretty much begged to see a neuro because I was terrified I could have something terribly wrong going on with my brain.

(Fortunately, I've not had the REALLY bad migraines for some time. :D  Those hit maybe once a year)


your gay
 
2013-03-01 09:09:25 PM  

tanman1975: log_jammin: Thanks for the supposition and the anecdote.

But I'll stick with science.

I wouldn't exactly call a blog post written by as self-admitted skeptoid in 2008 hard science.

That said, while I do agree there's no hard evidence, in my case I figure there's not reason to change my new lifestyle because it's obviously working.


A "self admitted skeptoid"? Um...OK...

Any way the site I linked to posted plenty of citations to back his comments. You are completely free to do the same.
 
2013-03-02 01:57:21 AM  
F*ck asspartame right in the ear.

I won't even drink it in soda pop. I check the hell outta my labels, cuz I have enough crap
going on in my head already and refuse to add artificial brain-wreck bullsh*t on top of a
perfectly natural foul temper.
 
2013-03-02 05:15:27 AM  
Yah so anecdotes aren't evidence. That said here's my anecdote. I really can't tell the difference in taste of aspartame in most sodas. On two occasions I've gotten a massive headache after having sodas at a restaurant. Both times the staff assured me I had not had diet sodas but regular ones. Both times I asked them to check the lines. Both times they had been switched. Given that I can't taste the difference and the staff really thought they were serving me regular soda, I'd call this a pretty good controlled, double blind test. Drink soda, get headache, ask them to doublecheck, find out lines were switched. That's enough evidence for me that I don't want aspartame in anything I ingest.
 
2013-03-02 10:25:29 AM  
Anecdote response: I have worked restaraunts, and it would be nearly impossible to switch the lines during replacing boxes of syrup. It is also highly unlikely that it happens that during a full cleaning nobody, including staff drinking it themselves, notice the switch untill you come in for dinner.

I have, otoh, had plenty of guests who have a tendency to constantly claim issues with drinks that weren't wrong. One lady claimed she was getting a sugar headache from her iced tea. At the time we only carried fresh brewed unsweetened. We gave her a secomd of the exact same drink and she was happy.
 
2013-03-02 10:51:02 AM  

Kittypie070: F*ck asspartame right in the ear.

I won't even drink it in soda pop. I check the hell outta my labels, cuz I have enough crap
going on in my head already and refuse to add artificial brain-wreck bullsh*t on top of a
perfectly natural foul temper.


why not just pop Adderalls with it instead
 
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