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(Washington Post)   Schools throughout the Washington DC area announce plans to start later in the day so that their precious, tired widdle snowflakes can have more morning nappy time   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 48
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2013-02-28 08:49:14 PM
14 votes:
This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.
2013-02-28 08:31:08 PM
9 votes:
The whole point of getting kids up early every morning and forcing them to go somewhere they hate for the rest of the day is to get them used to what the rest of their lives will be like.
2013-02-28 08:21:44 PM
6 votes:
I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.
2013-02-28 08:56:11 PM
5 votes:
There is research and established science to support this, subby. What do you have?
2013-03-01 05:10:54 AM
3 votes:

Kimothy: However, one of the reasons Las Vegas starts so early is because of sports. It's really difficult for the football team to practice at 3 pm, when we hit our highest temperatures of the day. Starting early allows them to practice at 1 pm, and to be done by the time the heat gets real intense. Same goes for soccer, track, and the other outdoor sports.


Tail wagging the dog a bit there, ain't it?

Make the kids who play sports get up in the morning to do that, let everybody else sleep in. It's an optional extracurricular, they should have to work around the school schedule, not the other way around.
2013-03-01 04:57:17 AM
3 votes:
You know what I find sad?

We tout ourselves as the greatest country in the World, yet school breakfast and lunches are sometimes the only meals a child can be guaranteed to get.

We can "liberate" Iraq, we can send BILLIONS in aid overseas, but we can't feed our own people.
2013-02-28 09:40:39 PM
3 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.


My district tried to do this for the 7th and 8th graders because everything we did was research-based, but the logistics were impossible. The transportation department rules the world in public schools.
2013-03-01 09:08:54 AM
2 votes:
I am a HS educator and have done a lot of reading on this subject as our board recently pushed start times earlier by an hour. (Not for students totally to save money on buses)

If you look at all the studies done on teenage brain development teen brains actually show as being nocturnal. It is actually their brains telling them to stay up late and sleep in. Numerous studies show that later start times benefit kids academically with a measurable increase in marks and retention of information. Ideally High schools would run 11-5 or  12-6 if we were really scheduling it for the kids.

Ya that would be a mess for the rest of us but when schools start at 7 it makes you wonder who they are doing it for.
2013-03-01 07:35:14 AM
2 votes:

Southern100: Here, let me google that for you.


Here, let me google something relevant for you:
http://www.cehd.umn.edu/research/highlights/Sleep/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8579951.stm
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sleepless-in-america/201102/do-l at er-school-start-times-really-help-high-school-students

Or put another way:

CarloSkippy: There's a relationship between amount and timing. Mary Carskadon's research in particular points the fact that teens experience a shift in circadian rhythms that keeps them from going to sleep at a "normal time," and yet they still have to get up. You could make the kid sit in bed and stare in the ceiling at 9:00pm so they can get up at 5:00, but they really don't get the 8 hours because they're sitting there in bed until midnight because their bodies say, "not time for bed yet." Yes, it's amount of sleep, but it's not that simple.

2013-03-01 07:19:36 AM
2 votes:
Southern100:
Because every study I've ever seen shows it's the amount of sleep you get, not what time of the day you finally decide to drag your ass out of bed, that determines how well you do in school.

There's a relationship between amount and timing.  Mary Carskadon's research in particular points the fact that teens experience a shift in circadian rhythms that keeps them from going to sleep at a "normal time," and yet they still have to get up.  You could make the kid sit in bed and stare in the ceiling at 9:00pm so they can get up at 5:00, but they really don't get the 8 hours because they're sitting there in bed until midnight because their bodies say, "not time for bed yet."  Yes, it's amount of sleep, but it's not that simple.
2013-03-01 07:10:07 AM
2 votes:
Basically, teens don't get enough sleep because they experience a phase delay.  They can't get to sleep when everyone else does, so they stay up late.  Then they must get up early for school, and as a result, they build up a sleep deficit that ends up hitting them on the weekend.  No scientific papers here, but definitely a few scientists talking about it:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6896471

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/teenbrain/interviews/c ar skadon.html
2013-03-01 06:32:14 AM
2 votes:
Wow, Subby is a dick.
2013-03-01 06:19:51 AM
2 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.


Of course because they are still growing.  And learning a crapload of new stuff is a lot easier with a good night's sleep.

I don't know why this issue is even under debate, unless there are tough guys here that want to out-bookstrap everyone else.

/bonus - annoying teenagers are stuck in school later in day, which means annoying teenagers are not out in public at 3 in the frickin' afternoon
2013-03-01 06:08:59 AM
2 votes:

hasty ambush: doglover: Schools throughout the Washington DC area announce plans to start later in the day so that their precious, tired widdle snowflakes can have more morning nappy time teachers don't have hangovers the size of mountain gorillas.

At least somebody realizes the real reason behind this is to give the Union thug teachers some extra rack time.

 If your still in bed at 0600 your "burning daylight" and need to get up.   Life is too short to spend it sleeping


Yeah!  It's not like there are scientific studies that prove that teenagers perform better at school if they sleep later and their day starts later!  If they're doing better at school then it logically follows that they'll have better opportunities in life.  Let me put it in terms you may find easier to understand: teenagers who get the extra sleep automatically grow bigger bootstraps.  Why are you against that?

Maybe your experiences with 0600 wake ups are the reason why you can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're"?
2013-03-01 06:04:44 AM
2 votes:

Gulper Eel: I grew up in a town that was part redneck and part preppy, and not once did I hear the farm kids biatch about getting up at 4:00am for milking and the rest of the chores, before going to school. The lawyers' and doctors' kids, on the other hand, would piss and moan about having to roll in at 8:00.

Give them the option of coming in an hour late but staying 90 minutes later, or coming in an hour early but leaving 90 minutes early...and let's see who's willing to get up early and bust a hump.

/been getting up before 5am since I was 10
//lawn. off


Farm families come from generations and generations of people who have naturally early schedules.  There is an honest-to-god genetic difference, to say nothing of the cultural ones.

Your post up there has all the impact of "why can't your wiener dog keep up with you when you run?  My greyhound can outrun me, so yours should be able to manage."
2013-03-01 05:04:49 AM
2 votes:
Students would do much better in school if the hours were from 10:00 am to 5:00 pm.
2013-03-01 01:19:54 AM
2 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.


this waking us early crap for school always made me crazy. there have been tons of studies which have shown that kids who are still waking up do crappy in school.

good thing that all the parents care about is that school is baby sitting their crotch spawn so that they can get to work.

dont even get me started about morning people about night people. sigh
2013-03-01 12:05:04 AM
2 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.


It also seems like kids are allowed to stay up later.  I used to have an 8pm bedtime when I was in elementary school, but I've seen little kids up at 10, 11 pm on schoolnights.  It's crazy.
2013-02-28 11:39:16 PM
2 votes:
Like it matters what time the school day starts.  The kid will still stay up late, sleep till the last possible moment and then complain about being tired.  There will always be that one class that your kid will sleep through.  Watch, change the start time to noon and the kids will stay up till 5 am then won't get up before 11:15 am, and will fall asleep in the third class.  I know this from experience, my 17 yro son before homeschooling was up 15 min before he needed to leave for school.  Now, no matter what time his first class of the day is to start online, he gets up 15 min before.  He has woke us up in the middle of the night doing stuff in his room, thinking we can't hear him since his room is in the basement and away from our room.  They're like giant toddlers that can tell time, they can sleep anywhere anytime.  My kid falls asleep in the truck five min after we leave the house every time the ride is longer than 20 min.

/besides I used to do the same thing
2013-02-28 11:25:50 PM
2 votes:
I had to be up by 6:30, hit the bus at 7:05, and be at school by 7:55.
I would spend the first part of the day half asleep. If they had proposed layer start times, I would have bee ecstatic.
2013-02-28 10:42:30 PM
2 votes:

Kimothy: Teenagers need more sleep, need to sleep later in the day, and are wired to stay up later at night.


F*ck, I'm still wired that way.  If I can fall into a schedule where I sleep whenever I want, I inevitably sleep from 2-10.
2013-02-28 10:03:56 PM
2 votes:
As someone who had to be in his desk by 8:05 every morning I can't believe that people are expecting teenagers to be productive at even earlier times.

Make them go to school from 10-6 rather than 7-3, they'll be happier...the parents will be happier...

Really, what's the down-side again?
2013-02-28 09:49:25 PM
2 votes:
Research shows that starting school at early results in a lowered results.  One study claimed that kids' brains, especially as they get into their teen years, don't function before something like 9 or 10am.
2013-02-28 08:55:03 PM
2 votes:
I grew up in a town that was part redneck and part preppy, and not once did I hear the farm kids biatch about getting up at 4:00am for milking and the rest of the chores, before going to school. The lawyers' and doctors' kids, on the other hand, would piss and moan about having to roll in at 8:00.

Give them the option of coming in an hour late but staying 90 minutes later, or coming in an hour early but leaving 90 minutes early...and let's see who's willing to get up early and bust a hump.

/been getting up before 5am since I was 10
//lawn. off
2013-03-01 01:20:06 PM
1 votes:

hasty ambush:  If your still in bed at 0600 your "burning daylight" and need to get up.   Life is too short to spend it sleeping



Sunrise here was at 6:50 this morning.  Shut up and go back to bed.
2013-03-01 12:57:53 PM
1 votes:
I'm actually OK with this. My lady friend in Anne Arundel County, MD, has to get up at a quarter-to-6 in the morning to start getting ready to take her two daughters to middle and high school. The earliest classes begin at 7:30 and that girl starts her day with gym. That's ridiculous. In my whole life, I've never had a job where I had to be there before 8:30 am.

There's snowflakes, and then there's child abuse. Being forced to do jumping jacks and play field hockey at 7:30 in the damn morning is the latter. All so the control freak "morning people" adults can get their kicks abusing what power they have to make everybody else's lives miserable. By the time my friend's daughters graduate and join the work force, a regular job will seem easy to them. It's insane.
2013-03-01 09:03:15 AM
1 votes:
The school that I teach at used to start at 7:15am.  We'd have over 100 kids show up late every day, all lined up outside the attendance office to get passes, and they'd parade into class half an hour late to school.

Solution:  Administration and teachers voted for the next school year to push the start time to 8:35.

The result: Over 200 kids per day showing up late to school...many carrying Starbucks cups or Jack in the Box bags.  Also, athletics had to be moved into the last period of the day, so people on sports teams ended up missing out on a period of academic instruction (school had no field lights, plus neighborhood was/is dangerous as hell after dark)

The result of that:  School starts at 7:30 now, and kids that show up late more than twice in a semester are banned from sporting events, field trips, dances, etc...unless they make them up in detention after school.  Shockingly, lateness dropped.  Go figure.
2013-03-01 08:19:01 AM
1 votes:
Not having children standing in the dark waiting for the bus and not having buses in the thick of commuter traffic are good enough reasons to alter school start time.
2013-03-01 07:46:18 AM
1 votes:

CarloSkippy: There's a relationship between amount and timing. Mary Carskadon's research in particular points the fact that teens experience a shift in circadian rhythms that keeps them from going to sleep at a "normal time," and yet they still have to get up. You could make the kid sit in bed and stare in the ceiling at 9:00pm so they can get up at 5:00, but they really don't get the 8 hours because they're sitting there in bed until midnight because their bodies say, "not time for bed yet." Yes, it's amount of sleep, but it's not that simple.


Then seeing as they don't want to go to bed just yet, they clearly have time for more term papers.
2013-03-01 07:14:10 AM
1 votes:
My son goes to a special needs school and the old one went to 8th grade so now he's is a different school. They do something that's brilliant IMHO. Realizing that some kids are morning kids and some kids aren't every day the schedule rotates. Monday is class 1 2 3 4 5 6. Tuesday is is 2 3 4 5 6 1. Wednesday is 3 4 5 6 1 2. Ed etc. this way if you aren't a morning person your entire school year of geometry at 8 doesn't fark you for that class.

I'm guessing stubby doesn't have kids. Or read. Because studies show that starting school before a certain hour has a negative effect on learning. It's the same reason college kids who take a Saturday 8am class generally don't do as we'll as the same class held later in the day (studies have shown this) and managers who call for meetings before 8am are despised. If this weren't the case, we could just send kids to class at midnight and be done with it.
2013-03-01 06:59:00 AM
1 votes:
Currently, school starts here at 7:50 for elementary, 8:20 for middle school, and 8:50 for high school.  I think that's reasonable, and probably backed up by science.  Lord knows the school district has to squeeze in science somewhere when we're teaching our kids about the 6000 year old fossils.

When I was a kid, in another part of the state, our classes started about an hour earlier, and I didn't really mind--even went to "zero" period before school my senior year.  Of course, I'm one of those fossils.
2013-03-01 06:22:45 AM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: doglover: Schools throughout the Washington DC area announce plans to start later in the day so that their precious, tired widdle snowflakes can have more morning nappy time teachers don't have hangovers the size of mountain gorillas.

At least somebody realizes the real reason behind this is to give the Union thug teachers some extra rack time.

 If your still in bed at 0600 your "burning daylight" and need to get up.   Life is too short to spend it sleeping


Trololol :)

It's a good thing they invented useful artificial lighting a few hundred years ago... Otherwise I wouldn't be able to roll in to my office somewhere between 11 and noon and work until between 9pm and midnight.

I get my shiat done. What do you care when I get it done on any given day?
2013-03-01 05:43:30 AM
1 votes:

goatleggedfellow: cptjeff: Kimothy: However, one of the reasons Las Vegas starts so early is because of sports. It's really difficult for the football team to practice at 3 pm, when we hit our highest temperatures of the day. Starting early allows them to practice at 1 pm, and to be done by the time the heat gets real intense. Same goes for soccer, track, and the other outdoor sports.

Tail wagging the dog a bit there, ain't it?

Make the kids who play sports get up in the morning to do that, let everybody else sleep in. It's an optional extracurricular, they should have to work around the school schedule, not the other way around.

How 'bout not playing football in the farking desert?


Because it's a goddamn sacred cow, that's why.
2013-03-01 05:21:39 AM
1 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.

My district tried to do this for the 7th and 8th graders because everything we did was research-based, but the logistics were impossible. The transportation department rules the world in public schools.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and that, too.
2013-03-01 04:55:38 AM
1 votes:
You assholes and your sleep schedules.

/shift worker
2013-03-01 04:49:00 AM
1 votes:

coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.


This.
2013-03-01 01:04:01 AM
1 votes:
Sounds good, it's not like I remember anything from my first hour classes..

When I started Junior High, 7th grade, I had to be picked up at the bus stop at 7 AM.  Same for 8th grade.  I was looking forward to a slightly later start in high school.. then they added the 6th grade to Junior High, and swapped the times for Junior High and High School.. so, 7 AM for 6 years for me..

Course, these last few years I get off work at 7 AM.
2013-03-01 12:37:38 AM
1 votes:
Schools throughout the Washington DC area announce plans to start later in the day so that their precious, tired widdle snowflakes can have more morning nappy time teachers don't have hangovers the size of mountain gorillas.
2013-03-01 12:03:30 AM
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: Well I get up at seven (yay) and I go to work by nine. Got no time for living, yes I'm working all the time.


seems to me you could live your life, a lot better than you think you are
2013-02-28 10:53:58 PM
1 votes:
I always found it weird that the time in my life when I was most likely to sleep until noon on the weekends (without help from adult beverages) was also the time that my weekdays started the earliest. I feel like this is a good idea as long as they can get the buses to cooperate.
2013-02-28 10:40:35 PM
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.


This. Teenagers need more sleep, need to sleep later in the day, and are wired to stay up later at night. Starting school later would resolve a lot of these issues.

I'm in Las Vegas and our high schools start around 7 am; report time for teachers is 630 - one of the reasons I decided to take a job at a charter school. I'm not functional at 630 in the morning, I can't even imagine what the teens feel like at that hour.

However, one of the reasons Las Vegas starts so early is because of sports. It's really difficult for the football team to practice at 3 pm, when we hit our highest temperatures of the day. Starting early allows them to practice at 1 pm, and to be done by the time the heat gets real intense. Same goes for soccer, track, and the other outdoor sports.
2013-02-28 10:38:45 PM
1 votes:
It is obvious what started this. Washington DC has the highest percentage of gays and lesbians. Gays and lesbians are known for having children when they are wanted and when they are financially and emotionally ready for children. They also had harder times in school. This means that Washington DC has a higher percentage of parents who really care for their children.

It's truly sick. Just because they love and appreciate their children more than a lot of straight parents doesn't mean that they can change school tradition for the rest of us.
2013-02-28 10:02:06 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am


The  worst part is that while high school starts at 7:17, elementary starts at 9:20. If you work out of the home you have to pay for daycare unless you don't need to be at work before 10:15 or even 11 if you work in the city.
2013-02-28 08:59:41 PM
1 votes:
BTW I taught a 7:30 am class this morning (college). I hate it. The students hate it. Had to send one home because she was so hung-over I was afraid she would puke.


True story
2013-02-28 08:38:18 PM
1 votes:
We started at 8:30, with a 'flex' option available for 7:30 classes. I did that senior year. Boy, did I regret it.  I can't even imagine trying to take, say, AP Cal at 7:15 am. Ugh.

What idiot had the terrible idea to start school so early anyway? If I were a parent, I wouldn't want to get up that damn early either. Life begins at 7am, no sooner. Unless you want me to be homicidal for the day.
2013-02-28 08:33:48 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.

I always started at 7:30.


I'm probably older than you (33 years old). I've noticed that school has started earlier and earlier.
2013-02-28 08:31:22 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.


I always started at 7:30.
2013-02-28 08:18:54 PM
1 votes:
Back in my day we had to sleep uphill in the snow, BOTH WAYS.
 
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