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(Washington Post)   Schools throughout the Washington DC area announce plans to start later in the day so that their precious, tired widdle snowflakes can have more morning nappy time   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 171
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2013-03-01 01:57:21 PM

vudukungfu: oi_piss_me_off: there is a lot of scientific evidence that suggests starting later is beneficial for adolescents, they tried it in a county in Virginia and somewhere in SC but was ultimately abandoned because of how it effected after school activities

Like homework?


Nononono.. Schools aren't supposed to GIVE homework any more. Today's children are just too darn busy playing games, watching tv, and texting their friends all night to worry about little things like homework.
 
2013-03-01 02:06:10 PM

denni04011: timujin: Research shows that starting school at early results in a lowered results.  One study claimed that kids' brains, especially as they get into their teen years, don't function before something like 9 or 10am.

Could you provide the resources for these alleged researches you speak of, or should we just take your word because you sleep in?


Would have posted them at the time if I wasn't so lazy.  There was actually a thread here back when the study came out.. Lemme see what I can find...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870453500457534918290100 6 438.html
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/teens-health/CC00019
http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/hot-topics/backgrounder-later -s chool-start-times
http://www.cehd.umn.edu/research/highlights/Sleep/
http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/clocks/fall/teenagers.html

There you go.
 
2013-03-01 02:09:02 PM

timujin: denni04011: timujin: Research shows that starting school at early results in a lowered results.  One study claimed that kids' brains, especially as they get into their teen years, don't function before something like 9 or 10am.

Could you provide the resources for these alleged researches you speak of, or should we just take your word because you sleep in?

Would have posted them at the time if I wasn't so lazy.  There was actually a thread here back when the study came out.. Lemme see what I can find...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870453500457534918290100 6 438.html
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/teens-health/CC00019
http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/hot-topics/backgrounder-later -s chool-start-times
http://www.cehd.umn.edu/research/highlights/Sleep/
http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/clocks/fall/teenagers.html

There you go.


Oh, and some Fark threads for good measure:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4898978/Study-confirms-your-teenager-wo ul d-be-less-of-a-moody-twit-if-he-she-got-more-sleep-Still-no-cure-for-y our-texting-bill

http://www.fark.com/comments/5767021/Doctor-blames-teenage-drug-use- ca r-crashes-on-ridiculous-early-morning-starting-time-for-high-school

http://www.fark.com/comments/4280453/Schools-starting-later-to-let-s tu dents-sleep-in-better-preparing-them-for-unemployment
 
2013-03-01 02:14:45 PM
getting up early = good

staying up late = bad
 
2013-03-01 02:21:33 PM

idsfa: hasty ambush:  If your still in bed at 0600 your "burning daylight" and need to get up.   Life is too short to spend it sleeping


Sunrise here was at 6:50 this morning.  Shut up and go back to bed.


You have at least 30 minutes of usable light before sunrise; get out of bed.

Greek mythology the god of sleep, Hypnos, was the twin of death, Thanatos.  Coincidence?  I think not.
 
2013-03-01 02:26:21 PM
Our daughter's school starts at 8:10AM and that's already too farking early.  Our entire family would be much happier with a later start time.
 
2013-03-01 02:29:52 PM

hasty ambush: You have at least 30 minutes of usable light before sunrise; get out of bed.


Yep, totally set my alarm by BMNT.
 
2013-03-01 02:29:58 PM

Kimothy: GAT_00: Kimothy: Teenagers need more sleep, need to sleep later in the day, and are wired to stay up later at night.

F*ck, I'm still wired that way.  If I can fall into a schedule where I sleep whenever I want, I inevitably sleep from 2-10.

Me too. When I have time off and don't have to take classes, I live on that schedule.


Add me to this chorus.
 
2013-03-01 02:31:15 PM

StoPPeRmobile: getting up early = good

staying up late = bad


Are you highlighting the absurdity of that idea or do you really espouse it?
 
2013-03-01 02:45:32 PM

lunchinlewis: hasty ambush: You have at least 30 minutes of usable light before sunrise; get out of bed.

Yep, totally set my alarm by BMNT.


You know "they" always attack at dawn so you need an earlier stand-to
 
2013-03-01 02:49:10 PM
hasty ambush: If your still in bed at 0600 your "burning daylight" and need to get up.   Life is too short to spend it sleeping

Not sure if serious, but what are you doing in daylight that I can't do in darkness?
 
2013-03-01 02:53:58 PM

cptjeff: Kimothy: However, one of the reasons Las Vegas starts so early is because of sports. It's really difficult for the football team to practice at 3 pm, when we hit our highest temperatures of the day. Starting early allows them to practice at 1 pm, and to be done by the time the heat gets real intense. Same goes for soccer, track, and the other outdoor sports.

Tail wagging the dog a bit there, ain't it?

Make the kids who play sports get up in the morning to do that, let everybody else sleep in. It's an optional extracurricular, they should have to work around the school schedule, not the other way around.


You are not the first to suggest this - it gets suggested every year. Marching band(s) generally practice before school through first period, sports are after-school. And I agree, they should reverse this schedule and have all practices before school and just start later in the day. 


goatleggedfellow: cptjeff: Kimothy: 
How 'bout not playing football in the farking desert?


Because 'Merika, that's why. 

Bullseyed: Kimothy: AdolfOliverPanties: 

However, one of the reasons Las Vegas starts so early is because of sports. It's really difficult for the football team to practice at 3 pm, when we hit our highest temperatures of the day. Starting early allows them to practice at 1 pm, and to be done by the time the heat gets real intense. Same goes for soccer, track, and the other outdoor sports.

Priorities. We has them.


Yep. Just like everywhere else, football rules. Damn shame. Although I have to admit that some of my students only bother passing classes during football/basketball/track/whatever they play season, because they have to stay eligible. And now they have to stay eligible all year in order to play the next one, so those grades should hold steady. It's always nice to have  something to hold over their heads when they feel like bailing on their classes.
 
2013-03-01 04:37:33 PM

Southern100: vudukungfu: oi_piss_me_off: there is a lot of scientific evidence that suggests starting later is beneficial for adolescents, they tried it in a county in Virginia and somewhere in SC but was ultimately abandoned because of how it effected after school activities

Like homework?

Nononono.. Schools aren't supposed to GIVE homework any more. Today's children are just too darn busy playing games, watching tv, and texting their friends all night to worry about little things like homework.


I wish my kid's school subscribed to that theory.  They give those little bastards hours of homework every night.  It's f*cking ridiculous.
 
2013-03-01 05:17:23 PM

lewismarktwo: StoPPeRmobile: getting up early = good

staying up late = bad

Are you highlighting the absurdity of that idea or do you really espouse it?




Yeah, I never understood why some people want praise because they wake up at a certain time. It's farking we todd it.

/stays up really late
 
2013-03-01 05:53:09 PM
I got better grades in school when I left 1st period empty and took 2 through 7 rather than 1 through 6.

/night person
 
2013-03-01 07:49:50 PM
For me, middle school started at 9 and high school started at 7:14. I've always been an early riser, so I would rather get out earlier in the afternoon so the whole day isn't wasted. But, I sure did see a lot of zombies in the first class or two of the day in high school.
 
2013-03-02 01:34:45 AM
 
2013-03-02 03:38:16 AM

vpb: GAT_00: coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.

I always started at 7:30.

8:00 am is the earliest I ever started.


08:45 when I went to school on the Ark. In Boston. Left the house ay 0730 to walk to bus station, to get to school by 0830. Sat in cafeteria until 0845 until Homeroom was open. School started at 0900 was out by 230 pm
 
2013-03-02 04:20:38 AM

illbeinmybunk: My son goes to a special needs school and the old one went to 8th grade so now he's is a different school. They do something that's brilliant IMHO. Realizing that some kids are morning kids and some kids aren't every day the schedule rotates. Monday is class 1 2 3 4 5 6. Tuesday is is 2 3 4 5 6 1. Wednesday is 3 4 5 6 1 2. Ed etc. this way if you aren't a morning person your entire school year of geometry at 8 doesn't fark you for that class.

I'm guessing stubby doesn't have kids. Or read. Because studies show that starting school before a certain hour has a negative effect on learning. It's the same reason college kids who take a Saturday 8am class generally don't do as we'll as the same class held later in the day (studies have shown this) and managers who call for meetings before 8am are despised. If this weren't the case, we could just send kids to class at midnight and be done with it.


holy crap
that is brilliant!!
at least a couple of days your hardest class would be at your most efficient time for you, regardless of the class or your personal clock.
I swear to god, school was living hell for me. I am NOT a morning person. Never have been, NEVER will be. Everything was harder.
At least until some of college when I could schedule most of my classes to NOT BE EARLY morning.

so HERE is one of those sideways questions, why isnt school from say, 10 to 5? this would solve most of the early morning kid problem and you wouldn't have to p-ay scheduling games.

IF the only answer is "because the parents schedules are more important", then I am left with the same question, WHY do we care about the parents and NOT the children again??
 
2013-03-02 10:08:12 AM
Valid studies show that delaying school start times results in increased student achievement.
 
2013-03-03 07:20:16 PM

wambu: Valid studies show that delaying school start times results in increased student achievement.


Didn't work for shiat at the school where I've been teaching for 11 years...just resulted in more kids showing up late to school...especially the ones whose parents had already left for work.  They'd sit around...get high...watch some Spongebob...hit up Jack-In-The-Box...THEN show up to school.
 
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