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(Washington Post)   Schools throughout the Washington DC area announce plans to start later in the day so that their precious, tired widdle snowflakes can have more morning nappy time   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 171
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2013-03-01 08:39:46 AM  
Enough with the farking snowflake thing.. jesus internet have you even listened to yourself lately? The crotchetiness is getting out of control.
 
2013-03-01 08:48:40 AM  
Stupid? No, smart.

/clueless subby is clueless
 
2013-03-01 08:49:11 AM  
when you need x hours of sleep, I dont see how moving those hours over by 1 helps do anything besides makes 10s of thousands of parents and babysitters and whatnot have to adjust their daily schedule accordingly. after working all 3 shifts I can say 1st is most rewarding. its nice to have sunny afternoons to do whatever I want.
 
2013-03-01 08:56:28 AM  

Ishkur: The whole point of getting kids up early every morning and forcing them to go somewhere they hate for the rest of the day is to get them used to what the rest of their lives will be like.


this is why there are bells in schools, to get kids used to responding to the bells in factory work

Well you know, when there were factory's here, long time ago.

TheOriginalEd: Enough with the farking snowflake thing.. jesus internet have you even listened to yourself lately? The crotchetiness is getting out of control.


this
 
2013-03-01 08:58:19 AM  

natas6.0: It's the nation's capitol
not much makes sense here


Except for this time it does.
 
2013-03-01 09:03:15 AM  
The school that I teach at used to start at 7:15am.  We'd have over 100 kids show up late every day, all lined up outside the attendance office to get passes, and they'd parade into class half an hour late to school.

Solution:  Administration and teachers voted for the next school year to push the start time to 8:35.

The result: Over 200 kids per day showing up late to school...many carrying Starbucks cups or Jack in the Box bags.  Also, athletics had to be moved into the last period of the day, so people on sports teams ended up missing out on a period of academic instruction (school had no field lights, plus neighborhood was/is dangerous as hell after dark)

The result of that:  School starts at 7:30 now, and kids that show up late more than twice in a semester are banned from sporting events, field trips, dances, etc...unless they make them up in detention after school.  Shockingly, lateness dropped.  Go figure.
 
2013-03-01 09:06:15 AM  
Have they found a cure yet for those wake up 7:30, wash your ears they're dirty, eat your eggs and oatmeal, rush to school blues?
 
2013-03-01 09:08:54 AM  
I am a HS educator and have done a lot of reading on this subject as our board recently pushed start times earlier by an hour. (Not for students totally to save money on buses)

If you look at all the studies done on teenage brain development teen brains actually show as being nocturnal. It is actually their brains telling them to stay up late and sleep in. Numerous studies show that later start times benefit kids academically with a measurable increase in marks and retention of information. Ideally High schools would run 11-5 or  12-6 if we were really scheduling it for the kids.

Ya that would be a mess for the rest of us but when schools start at 7 it makes you wonder who they are doing it for.
 
2013-03-01 09:09:30 AM  

revrendjim: There is research and established science to support this, subby. What do you have?


He has his lawn to watch...
 
2013-03-01 09:16:49 AM  
It's a school, not a free baby-sitting service for Mr. and Mrs. Snowflake.
 
2013-03-01 09:20:38 AM  
My daughter likes to play the alarm game.  The first alarm goes off and then she resets it for a half an hour later, then she starts resetting it for every 15 minutes.  This always results in me driving like crazy to get her to school on time, which she rarely is.  7:20 is pretty early to start school, especially up here in the north where the sun doesn't come up until halfway through first period.
 
2013-03-01 09:24:27 AM  
"Stupid"? I think this is a great idea! Later school start (and therefore end) times mean everyone gets more sleep, less money gets spent on child care before and after school for younger kids, less time spent alone and unsupervised for the older kids, kids learn better. Seriously, I don't see the downside.
 
2013-03-01 09:26:09 AM  
Lucky bastards
 
2013-03-01 09:32:23 AM  
Our school always started at 8:15. It may be because, where I lived, everyone walked to school. I can't imagine having to walk to school at 6:30 in the morning, when it's often still dark.

I joined the Army after high school and quickly learned that sleeping until 7 am is a luxury. I've been out of the service for fifteen years now, and I still wake up at 5 am. No idea why.
 
2013-03-01 09:32:41 AM  
Cry some moar DC.  High school started at 7:30 AM for me, but the upside to that was that we got out at 1:30.  1:30!  We had practically the whole day left! That's more than a fair compromise for getting up early. Elementary school, though, started at 9:30 and middle school was 8:30 I believe.
 
2013-03-01 09:36:35 AM  
It's not stupid. Studies show even small increments of 15 min of extra sleep make HUGE differences in a young mind's ability to take in more information.
 
2013-03-01 09:42:21 AM  

megalynn44: It's not stupid. Studies show even small increments of 15 min of extra sleep make HUGE differences in a young mind's ability to take in more information.


It's almost as if sleeping until one wakes up naturally is the best way to start the day.  Too bad that won't make anyone any money.
 
2013-03-01 09:46:40 AM  
I've adjusted to early, late, and nocturnal schedules in my life. Even at 31 I still need about nine hours if I want to perform well. I'm not unsympathetic to these kids.

Yes, kids need more sleep. But why does it have to be in the morning? Put them to farking bed.
 
2013-03-01 09:51:20 AM  
shut up subby, you have no idea of what you speak.
I live in a poorer neighborhood (hey cheap rent)
My last job I worked as a baker, and I'd have to be at work at 5, sometimes 4am.
Every morning at 5am, kids are outside waiting for the bus on my street as I'm driving to work.
But why?  Because the bus routes and school redistricting and forced bussing cause 1-2 hour bus rides to school. Sometimes longer.
This is done by design, and it is wretchedly disgusting.  This never happens in more affluent neighborhoods.
 
2013-03-01 09:53:18 AM  

GAT_00: coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.

I always started at 7:30.


I supposed you didn't have to do chores or milk any cows before school.
/up at 5 AM.
 
2013-03-01 09:55:42 AM  
7:30 is nucking futz. It was always 9:00 when I went to school and that was too early.
 
2013-03-01 09:56:31 AM  
Egad.  If brap jr. has to go to school that early, I sure as hell ain't taking him.

Thank goodness the little scruffer seems content with making shoes in the basement.
 
2013-03-01 10:07:39 AM  
fark you, subby, right in your eyehole. Seriously, you have no farking idea what you are talking about and you should keep your whore mouth shut.
 
2013-03-01 10:34:45 AM  

Gulper Eel: yukichigai: Farm families come from generations and generations of people who have naturally early schedules. There is an honest-to-god genetic difference, to say nothing of the cultural ones.

Citation?

Because I don't think genetics can cause that much of a difference between farm kids and everybody else, even if a kid's a tenth-generation farmer.


I don't know, ten generations of inbreeding can cause quite a genetic shift.
 
2013-03-01 10:37:39 AM  

coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.


Yep, came here to say this. My school started at 8:20. My kids now have to be at school by something like 7:30(Maybe earlier), meaning that they are geting on the bus earlier than I got up...  Subby can eat a dick, starting that early is ridiculous.
 
2013-03-01 10:40:56 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.


Came to say this. Our schools would rank much higher if we started them around 10:30-11:30 instead of 7:30 am.
 
2013-03-01 10:42:53 AM  

timujin: Research shows that starting school at early results in a lowered results.  One study claimed that kids' brains, especially as they get into their teen years, don't function before something like 9 or 10am.


Teenagers and young adults are biologically tuned to take the "night watch" shifts for guarding the pack. They should be starting school around 11 and staying up until 2-3 am on a regular basis to match their biological clock.
 
2013-03-01 10:44:12 AM  
I never had any problem with 7:30 start times in high school.  Also had a paper route (for the linked paper as it turns out) which had me up before 5:00 anyway.  I would usually get done early enough to grab a 20 minute nap before getting ready to leave for school.  And that was after usually watching Letterman the night before (this was in the mid-80's when it was Late Night and started at 12:30am).  Plus senior year we had AP chem for 1st period.

In short, I have no idea how I got through high school, but get off my lawn anyway.
 
2013-03-01 10:44:30 AM  

Kimothy: AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.

This. Teenagers need more sleep, need to sleep later in the day, and are wired to stay up later at night. Starting school later would resolve a lot of these issues.

I'm in Las Vegas and our high schools start around 7 am; report time for teachers is 630 - one of the reasons I decided to take a job at a charter school. I'm not functional at 630 in the morning, I can't even imagine what the teens feel like at that hour.

However, one of the reasons Las Vegas starts so early is because of sports. It's really difficult for the football team to practice at 3 pm, when we hit our highest temperatures of the day. Starting early allows them to practice at 1 pm, and to be done by the time the heat gets real intense. Same goes for soccer, track, and the other outdoor sports.


Priorities. We has them.
 
2013-03-01 10:45:06 AM  

Gulper Eel: /been getting up before 5am since I was 10


Well, bully for you...

Too bad it's not merely a matter of who's a better person, but of physiology. I've been getting up for work between 5:30 and 6:30, depending on the job and living arrangements for 20 years now, and it still isn' easy. Let me go to sleep about 2 or 3 and get up 8 or even 7 hours later though, and everything is all right. You're not "special" because you can get up before 5, it's the way your body clock works. Sorry to take away your special status on Fark...
 
2013-03-01 10:45:20 AM  
Our high school starts at 7:25, but you have to get there first. I am not looking forward to 2 years from now when our son starts high school. He will have to get up, get breakfast and be out the door by 6:30 to get the school bus. At least he is a morning person, it will be worse when our daughter gets into high school.

/dark at 6:30 for most of Oct, late Nov - mid Feb and 2nd week of March until April
 
2013-03-01 10:48:09 AM  
So I got my daughter to school on time this morning after much grumbling.  As I arrived at the school I noticed another problem of starting school too early... teenage drivers half awake trying to get a parking space before they are late.  Imagine bumper cars with drunk midgets.

The kicker was that at the entrance of the school they had placed a crashed up car that had been driven by a teenager who was supposedly texting while driving.  My guess is she was driving to school at the butt crack of dawn, fell asleep and had an accident.

I really hate the school officials who tell the parents that they need to start early so the sports teams have enough time to play after school.  Your team hasn't won a single game in three farking years.  GET OVER IT!
 
2013-03-01 10:57:03 AM  

BronyMedic: You know what I find sad?

We tout ourselves as the greatest country in the World, yet school breakfast and lunches are sometimes the only meals a child can be guaranteed to get.

We can "liberate" Iraq, we can send BILLIONS in aid overseas, but we can't feed our own people.


School Breakfast?? Since when?!

I grew up in the rural outskirts of a small town in the midwest. Since 5th grade I had to wake up at 5:15am to catch the bus at 6:15 to be at school by 7:30am when it began.

Since it was a small community and many students (like me) lived miles away from the city proper in the middle of nowhere the Middle Schoolers and High Schoolers were picked up and rode the bus together, which made for a weird dynamic as you had 10 year olds on the same bus with the 16 and 17 year olds who didn't have their own cars yet.

Yeah, I always hated that school started so early, but I've found even in my adult life I usually tend to go to bed as late as I possibly can, sometimes to my detriment and lack of sleep, and wake up like 45-60 minutes before I have to leave. Like if I have to be at work at 11:00am I will try to be asleep by 2 or 3am (sometimes 4 or 5am) and get up at like 9:50am or 10, giving me (+/-)45 minutes to shower and dress and 15 minutes for travel. Even though I prefer to get 7 to 8 hours of sleep, I will often rationalize getting only 5 or 6 if I want to stay up later.

I would have loved for school to start at 8:30, 9, or 9:30am but even then I would have set my alarm for an hour before the bus arrived and probably hit the Snooze Bar twice...
 
2013-03-01 11:00:47 AM  
I'm getting a small kick out of this.

I may be the oddity, but I'm one of those "wretched" people who can be up & light off pretty quickly. I work for a small HVAC supplier in NH. Most of my deliveries are in metro Boston. The crews the use my stuff start as early as 5 AM, so that means I have to be up at 2, and on the road by 3 AM to make sure my customers get their parts on time.

I get more done by the time most people get to work than many do all day.

/ Just got back from a run to the South Shore
// Can't sleep past 6:30
 
2013-03-01 11:13:41 AM  
Jobs program.   By making it so people cant drop off their kids and get to work by 9, people will have to hire
AM sitters.

It's a three letter word, Jobs
 
2013-03-01 11:19:41 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: Jobs program.   By making it so people cant drop off their kids and get to work by 9, people will have to hire
AM sitters.

It's a three letter word, Jobs


If your high schooler can't get himself to school that's not the world's problem.
 
2013-03-01 11:20:13 AM  

coco ebert: GAT_00: coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.

I always started at 7:30.

I'm probably older than you (33 years old). I've noticed that school has started earlier and earlier.


This just in.. schools don't start all grades at the same time.  That would require 3x as many school busses and bus drivers.

My local schools start elementary at 7, then middle then high.  (some studies showing the younger ones 'wake up easier' etc.

The next county is the opposite, High, middle then elementary, but also has some schools on staggered start times, ending at 4pm, etc.

I think High school last is the easiest for parents.  It means your older children can help get the young ones ready.   After school, it is a lot easier to find babysitters for the elementary students at 3pm than at 7am.
 
2013-03-01 11:21:18 AM  
yukichigai
Gulper Eel: I grew up in a town that was part redneck and part preppy, and not once did I hear the farm kids biatch about getting up at 4:00am for milking and the rest of the chores, before going to school. The lawyers' and doctors' kids, on the other hand, would piss and moan about having to roll in at 8:00.


Farm families come from generations and generations of people who have naturally early schedules. There is an honest-to-god genetic difference, to say nothing of the cultural ones.


I would imagine there's a difference in what you are doing.
If you're doing routine physical stuff you've done hundreds of times before, your brain can stay behind in bed and catch up later while the physical activity gets your system going (think of taking a shower after getting up).
Get someone out of bed, drop them into a chair in a stuffy room and expect them to be still and quiet (and maybe thinking) while listening to someone lecturing them and I bet they'll have a harder time not to doze off.

/ desk neighbors had to elbow me sometimes when I fell asleep during 8 am history class after getting only 4 hours of sleep (mostly due to homework for other classes)
// didn't help we were sitting in the front row; at least the teacher wasn't an ass and didn't say anything the couple of times I noticed him noticing it
 
2013-03-01 11:23:25 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.


Then effing put your kids to bed an hour earlier.   Having trouble with it?  Then unplug the network router at 9pm.
 
2013-03-01 11:43:22 AM  
Subby is a moran.

Offsetting the hours from DC rush hour would be a good idea

Subby is also a chaste, lonely soul who has no children.

If you had a teenager, you'd realize they are worthless before 9am.  Worthless.
 
2013-03-01 11:45:36 AM  
48 years old, started school at 7:30 am in the 70's and 80's.  So not sure this is really a story, 7:30am is fine, unless they go an hour later and let the kids out an hour or so later which would be good for single parents.
 
2013-03-01 11:46:25 AM  
Grrrrr...... High School started way too early! (7:30am)

Everyone was either asleep at their desk or still waking up

One year I had 1st period PE and that actually helped to wake me up but was also terrible because it was PE at 7:30 in the AM, so..........

\should I be using slashies? (/?)
 
2013-03-01 12:04:42 PM  

hasty ambush: doglover: Schools throughout the Washington DC area announce plans to start later in the day so that their precious, tired widdle snowflakes can have more morning nappy time teachers don't have hangovers the size of mountain gorillas.

At least somebody realizes the real reason behind this is to give the Union thug teachers some extra rack time.

 If your still in bed at 0600 your "burning daylight" and need to get up.   Life is too short to spend it sleeping


Grandpa?
 
2013-03-01 12:43:21 PM  
School starts as early as it does because morning people are douchebags and there are LOTS of them in the teaching profession.  They don't get that some people aren't wired the way they are and use the argument, "If we start at 6am we'll be out by 2 and have the WHOLE DAY in front of us."  They don't get that for many of us, the whole day is misery because we are exhausted from not getting enough rest.  It's like extroverts that can't comprehend that the introverts have no interest in listening to them prattle on about nothing.
 
2013-03-01 12:49:27 PM  
there is a lot of scientific evidence that suggests starting later is beneficial for adolescents, they tried it in a county in Virginia and somewhere in SC but was ultimately abandoned because of how it effected after school activities
 
2013-03-01 12:57:53 PM  
I'm actually OK with this. My lady friend in Anne Arundel County, MD, has to get up at a quarter-to-6 in the morning to start getting ready to take her two daughters to middle and high school. The earliest classes begin at 7:30 and that girl starts her day with gym. That's ridiculous. In my whole life, I've never had a job where I had to be there before 8:30 am.

There's snowflakes, and then there's child abuse. Being forced to do jumping jacks and play field hockey at 7:30 in the damn morning is the latter. All so the control freak "morning people" adults can get their kicks abusing what power they have to make everybody else's lives miserable. By the time my friend's daughters graduate and join the work force, a regular job will seem easy to them. It's insane.
 
2013-03-01 01:05:46 PM  

Philimus: There's snowflakes, and then there's child abuse. Being forced to do jumping jacks and play field hockey at 7:30 in the damn morning is the latter.


And we have a winner. Making your kid get up in the morning = child abuse.

Surprised it took 3 pages.
 
2013-03-01 01:20:06 PM  

hasty ambush:  If your still in bed at 0600 your "burning daylight" and need to get up.   Life is too short to spend it sleeping



Sunrise here was at 6:50 this morning.  Shut up and go back to bed.
 
2013-03-01 01:32:29 PM  

hasty ambush: If your still in bed at 0600 your "burning daylight" and need to get up.   Life is too short to spend it sleeping


That only makes sense if your plans for the day require daylight.
 
2013-03-01 01:35:21 PM  

oi_piss_me_off: there is a lot of scientific evidence that suggests starting later is beneficial for adolescents, they tried it in a county in Virginia and somewhere in SC but was ultimately abandoned because of how it effected after school activities


Like homework?
 
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