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(Washington Post)   Schools throughout the Washington DC area announce plans to start later in the day so that their precious, tired widdle snowflakes can have more morning nappy time   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 171
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2013-02-28 08:18:54 PM  
Back in my day we had to sleep uphill in the snow, BOTH WAYS.
 
2013-02-28 08:21:44 PM  
I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.
 
2013-02-28 08:31:08 PM  
The whole point of getting kids up early every morning and forcing them to go somewhere they hate for the rest of the day is to get them used to what the rest of their lives will be like.
 
2013-02-28 08:31:22 PM  

coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.


I always started at 7:30.
 
2013-02-28 08:33:48 PM  

GAT_00: coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.

I always started at 7:30.


I'm probably older than you (33 years old). I've noticed that school has started earlier and earlier.
 
2013-02-28 08:38:18 PM  
We started at 8:30, with a 'flex' option available for 7:30 classes. I did that senior year. Boy, did I regret it.  I can't even imagine trying to take, say, AP Cal at 7:15 am. Ugh.

What idiot had the terrible idea to start school so early anyway? If I were a parent, I wouldn't want to get up that damn early either. Life begins at 7am, no sooner. Unless you want me to be homicidal for the day.
 
2013-02-28 08:41:50 PM  

coco ebert: GAT_00: coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.

I always started at 7:30.

I'm probably older than you (33 years old). I've noticed that school has started earlier and earlier.


Only by half a decade.  And I'm just talking about high school.  I don't even remember when middle or elementary school started.
 
2013-02-28 08:49:14 PM  
This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.
 
2013-02-28 08:55:03 PM  
I grew up in a town that was part redneck and part preppy, and not once did I hear the farm kids biatch about getting up at 4:00am for milking and the rest of the chores, before going to school. The lawyers' and doctors' kids, on the other hand, would piss and moan about having to roll in at 8:00.

Give them the option of coming in an hour late but staying 90 minutes later, or coming in an hour early but leaving 90 minutes early...and let's see who's willing to get up early and bust a hump.

/been getting up before 5am since I was 10
//lawn. off
 
2013-02-28 08:56:11 PM  
There is research and established science to support this, subby. What do you have?
 
2013-02-28 08:59:41 PM  
BTW I taught a 7:30 am class this morning (college). I hate it. The students hate it. Had to send one home because she was so hung-over I was afraid she would puke.


True story
 
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2013-02-28 09:32:52 PM  

GAT_00: coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.

I always started at 7:30.


8:00 am is the earliest I ever started.
 
2013-02-28 09:40:39 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.


My district tried to do this for the 7th and 8th graders because everything we did was research-based, but the logistics were impossible. The transportation department rules the world in public schools.
 
2013-02-28 09:41:52 PM  
Who you callin' "nappy", subby?
 
2013-02-28 09:49:25 PM  
Research shows that starting school at early results in a lowered results.  One study claimed that kids' brains, especially as they get into their teen years, don't function before something like 9 or 10am.
 
2013-02-28 10:02:06 PM  

coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am


The  worst part is that while high school starts at 7:17, elementary starts at 9:20. If you work out of the home you have to pay for daycare unless you don't need to be at work before 10:15 or even 11 if you work in the city.
 
2013-02-28 10:03:56 PM  
As someone who had to be in his desk by 8:05 every morning I can't believe that people are expecting teenagers to be productive at even earlier times.

Make them go to school from 10-6 rather than 7-3, they'll be happier...the parents will be happier...

Really, what's the down-side again?
 
2013-02-28 10:07:36 PM  

PainInTheASP: As someone who had to be in his desk by 8:05 every morning I can't believe that people are expecting teenagers to be productive at even earlier times.

Make them go to school from 10-6 rather than 7-3, they'll be happier...the parents will be happier...

Really, what's the down-side again?


AT!  AT MY DESK!  DON'T START! YES, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY!
 
2013-02-28 10:38:45 PM  
It is obvious what started this. Washington DC has the highest percentage of gays and lesbians. Gays and lesbians are known for having children when they are wanted and when they are financially and emotionally ready for children. They also had harder times in school. This means that Washington DC has a higher percentage of parents who really care for their children.

It's truly sick. Just because they love and appreciate their children more than a lot of straight parents doesn't mean that they can change school tradition for the rest of us.
 
2013-02-28 10:40:23 PM  
School started at 8:15 when I was a kid. I took a 7:30 class my first semester in college. fark that!
Now I have to get up before 7:00 to get to work in the eastern time zone, but my body is still on central.
#firstworldproblems
 
2013-02-28 10:40:35 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.


This. Teenagers need more sleep, need to sleep later in the day, and are wired to stay up later at night. Starting school later would resolve a lot of these issues.

I'm in Las Vegas and our high schools start around 7 am; report time for teachers is 630 - one of the reasons I decided to take a job at a charter school. I'm not functional at 630 in the morning, I can't even imagine what the teens feel like at that hour.

However, one of the reasons Las Vegas starts so early is because of sports. It's really difficult for the football team to practice at 3 pm, when we hit our highest temperatures of the day. Starting early allows them to practice at 1 pm, and to be done by the time the heat gets real intense. Same goes for soccer, track, and the other outdoor sports.
 
2013-02-28 10:40:35 PM  
Swing shift needs drones, too
 
2013-02-28 10:42:30 PM  

Kimothy: Teenagers need more sleep, need to sleep later in the day, and are wired to stay up later at night.


F*ck, I'm still wired that way.  If I can fall into a schedule where I sleep whenever I want, I inevitably sleep from 2-10.
 
2013-02-28 10:44:02 PM  

GAT_00: Kimothy: Teenagers need more sleep, need to sleep later in the day, and are wired to stay up later at night.

F*ck, I'm still wired that way.  If I can fall into a schedule where I sleep whenever I want, I inevitably sleep from 2-10.


Me too. When I have time off and don't have to take classes, I live on that schedule.
 
2013-02-28 10:53:58 PM  
I always found it weird that the time in my life when I was most likely to sleep until noon on the weekends (without help from adult beverages) was also the time that my weekdays started the earliest. I feel like this is a good idea as long as they can get the buses to cooperate.
 
2013-02-28 10:58:09 PM  

coco ebert: GAT_00: coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.

I always started at 7:30.

I'm probably older than you (33 years old). I've noticed that school has started earlier and earlier.


My elementary school started at 9, middle school at 8, and high school at 7:30

/27 years old
 
2013-02-28 11:08:00 PM  

FreakinB: coco ebert: GAT_00: coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.

I always started at 7:30.

I'm probably older than you (33 years old). I've noticed that school has started earlier and earlier.

My elementary school started at 9, middle school at 8, and high school at 7:30

/27 years old


Yeah I meant elementary school. I should have clarified
 
2013-02-28 11:25:50 PM  
I had to be up by 6:30, hit the bus at 7:05, and be at school by 7:55.
I would spend the first part of the day half asleep. If they had proposed layer start times, I would have bee ecstatic.
 
2013-02-28 11:38:38 PM  
We started at 7:55 in high school. We also had a A-B day block schedule, and by my Junior year, I had first and second period IWE assignments for the vocational electronics and A/V departments

/no one knew WTF I was doing for the first two hours of the school day
//I slept often
///Senior year was even more of a coast, if you can imagine that
 
2013-02-28 11:39:16 PM  
Like it matters what time the school day starts.  The kid will still stay up late, sleep till the last possible moment and then complain about being tired.  There will always be that one class that your kid will sleep through.  Watch, change the start time to noon and the kids will stay up till 5 am then won't get up before 11:15 am, and will fall asleep in the third class.  I know this from experience, my 17 yro son before homeschooling was up 15 min before he needed to leave for school.  Now, no matter what time his first class of the day is to start online, he gets up 15 min before.  He has woke us up in the middle of the night doing stuff in his room, thinking we can't hear him since his room is in the basement and away from our room.  They're like giant toddlers that can tell time, they can sleep anywhere anytime.  My kid falls asleep in the truck five min after we leave the house every time the ride is longer than 20 min.

/besides I used to do the same thing
 
2013-02-28 11:44:19 PM  
Well I get up at seven (yay) and I go to work by nine. Got no time for living, yes I'm working all the time.
 
2013-03-01 12:03:30 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Well I get up at seven (yay) and I go to work by nine. Got no time for living, yes I'm working all the time.


seems to me you could live your life, a lot better than you think you are
 
2013-03-01 12:05:04 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.


It also seems like kids are allowed to stay up later.  I used to have an 8pm bedtime when I was in elementary school, but I've seen little kids up at 10, 11 pm on schoolnights.  It's crazy.
 
2013-03-01 12:25:07 AM  

Kimothy: GAT_00: Kimothy: Teenagers need more sleep, need to sleep later in the day, and are wired to stay up later at night.

F*ck, I'm still wired that way.  If I can fall into a schedule where I sleep whenever I want, I inevitably sleep from 2-10.

Me too. When I have time off and don't have to take classes, I live on that schedule.


That's my schedule, also. I'm looking forward to it for the next two weeks. Spring break, then a surgery, so another week off. I'll get so much writing done.
 
2013-03-01 12:37:38 AM  
Schools throughout the Washington DC area announce plans to start later in the day so that their precious, tired widdle snowflakes can have more morning nappy time teachers don't have hangovers the size of mountain gorillas.
 
2013-03-01 01:04:01 AM  
Sounds good, it's not like I remember anything from my first hour classes..

When I started Junior High, 7th grade, I had to be picked up at the bus stop at 7 AM.  Same for 8th grade.  I was looking forward to a slightly later start in high school.. then they added the 6th grade to Junior High, and swapped the times for Junior High and High School.. so, 7 AM for 6 years for me..

Course, these last few years I get off work at 7 AM.
 
2013-03-01 01:19:54 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: This is not stupid.  Adolescence is a time when humans require more rest than most other times in their lives.  An extra hour of sleep has resulted in much improved test scores and better grades.


this waking us early crap for school always made me crazy. there have been tons of studies which have shown that kids who are still waking up do crappy in school.

good thing that all the parents care about is that school is baby sitting their crotch spawn so that they can get to work.

dont even get me started about morning people about night people. sigh
 
2013-03-01 01:22:24 AM  

coco ebert: GAT_00: coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.

I always started at 7:30.

I'm probably older than you (33 years old). I've noticed that school has started earlier and earlier.


First class started at 7:20 for me, and I had to be at the bus stop at 6:00 for the hour long ride, all us rural kids had to be bussed into the city for high school, before that we rode our bikes to the more local jr high. They started high school that early because the same buses had to turn back around and deal with the younger kids and their schools an hour and a half later. It sucked so much at the time, but I think it did give me good early bird habits. And hell, getting out of school before 2pm was nice.
 
2013-03-01 01:25:14 AM  
Headlines throughout the Fark.com area announce plans to start making articles that are perfectly reasonable seem asinine so everyone can see who are the precious, tired widdle snowflakes who don't bother to read the article.
 
2013-03-01 04:19:51 AM  
My Catholic high school started at 8:05, though most area public high schools started around 9 back then. Same with grade school, started earlier than than the local public school. Which had one advantage, easy to get home and catch some extra cartoons in the afternoon.
 
2013-03-01 04:49:00 AM  

coco ebert: I dunno, 7:17am is pretty early. When I was young, school started around 8:30am.


This.
 
2013-03-01 04:55:11 AM  
Subby never went to school by the looks of things

/getting up ludicrously early to listen to assclown teachers didn't help me learn
//though the woodshop/mechanics teacher was badass, threw shiat if you were sleeping, knew how to wake a biatch up
///why I didn't sleep in the class, besides those classes being awesome
 
2013-03-01 04:55:38 AM  
You assholes and your sleep schedules.

/shift worker
 
2013-03-01 04:57:17 AM  
You know what I find sad?

We tout ourselves as the greatest country in the World, yet school breakfast and lunches are sometimes the only meals a child can be guaranteed to get.

We can "liberate" Iraq, we can send BILLIONS in aid overseas, but we can't feed our own people.
 
2013-03-01 04:57:34 AM  
The hell, subby? 25 years old, and we started at 7:20. Our middle school started at 7:10. I occasionally slept through my 1st hour class. Still studied my arse off and aced everything, though.

My dad has always worked overnight, and I think I inherited my default sleep schedule from him. I will gladly sleep all day and stay up all night working. Hell, I'm doing it now.
 
2013-03-01 05:04:42 AM  
Elementary school started at either 8:30 or 9:15 (alternated at each school in the district each year). Middle school was 7:45, high school was 7:30, but I was there by 6:45 for AV/TV stuff.

I was given a key to the school and the classroom for that.
 
2013-03-01 05:04:49 AM  
Students would do much better in school if the hours were from 10:00 am to 5:00 pm.
 
2013-03-01 05:09:16 AM  
Subby misses the good ol' days of forced child labor mixed with beatings for urchins so they'd know their place.
 
2013-03-01 05:10:54 AM  

Kimothy: However, one of the reasons Las Vegas starts so early is because of sports. It's really difficult for the football team to practice at 3 pm, when we hit our highest temperatures of the day. Starting early allows them to practice at 1 pm, and to be done by the time the heat gets real intense. Same goes for soccer, track, and the other outdoor sports.


Tail wagging the dog a bit there, ain't it?

Make the kids who play sports get up in the morning to do that, let everybody else sleep in. It's an optional extracurricular, they should have to work around the school schedule, not the other way around.
 
2013-03-01 05:12:09 AM  

Ishkur: The whole point of getting kids up early every morning and forcing them to go somewhere they hate for the rest of the day is to get them used to what the rest of their lives will be like.


Then why can't they drink beer at night?

It's fairly easy to get up early when you're a kid - not so much as an adult who drank 15 beers the night before.
 
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