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(Yahoo)   Hand In Hand: British terror suspects are being quietly stripped of citizenship ... then quietly killed by American drones   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 69
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2013-02-28 08:16:34 PM
Even Tony Blair?
 
2013-02-28 08:16:41 PM
Can we do FOX News reporters next? Pretty please?
 
2013-02-28 08:17:24 PM
I don't think when you get killed by a drone that it is at all quiet.
 
2013-02-28 08:17:47 PM
Spiffy indeed
 
2013-02-28 08:18:15 PM
I'm glad that Obama won a second term, but this drone issue is wrong. If Dubya had been doing the same thing with drone planes the outcry would be deafening. Obama shouldn't get a free pass on this, especially when you read about how many civilians these drones kill also.
 
2013-02-28 08:19:56 PM
I'm not sure Hellfire missile detonations are exactly quiet...
 
2013-02-28 08:20:22 PM
Governments finally do something efficiently and you complain.  Make up your minds.
 
2013-02-28 08:21:56 PM
Due process for UK subjects, it's a handwringing moral imperative. Bomb the shiat out of our own citizens any day of the week.

We're through the looking glass here people.
 
2013-02-28 08:22:00 PM
Clearly this is not important. How bout that sequester? Haha those clowns in Congress are at it again!
 
2013-02-28 08:22:43 PM
Well the good news is that they will not be able to tell the difference between the food in Hell and England.
 
2013-02-28 08:26:47 PM
So... People who go into a war zone and commit acts of treason can have their citizenship stripped and later could die in war time action?

How terrible.
Not really.
 
2013-02-28 08:26:54 PM
Killing them softly? With drone strikes?

/one time....one time...
 
2013-02-28 08:27:56 PM
An investigation by The Independent says that since 2002, when a law allowing dual nationals to be stripped of their citizenship for doing something "seriously prejudicial" to the UK was passed, 21 people have had their citizenship taken away. That pace has dramatically increased under the current government, with The Independent reporting that 16 of that total have had their citizenship taken away by the order of Home Secretary Theresa Mary since 2010.

Citizens de-citiizen'd by the UK from 2002 to 2010: 5
2010 to 2013: 16

USA Citizens killed by drone strikes: 3
UK Citizens killed: 1 (+1 injured, killed later by "traditional" means)

Truly, the UK is pinpointing random civilians for Obama to robo-bomb.
 
2013-02-28 08:28:50 PM

Thisbymaster: Well the good news is that they will not be able to tell the difference between the food in Hell and England.


true but what I like to know is are the 72 virgins British virgins?  because then it would truly be Hell.
 
2013-02-28 08:29:54 PM
Ah, our special relationship strikes again. OTOH the US can do the same thing-- naturalized citizens can have their citizenship stripped and be deported if convicted of a felony. Then they too can be hunted down freely. And it is hard to go through a day without committing a felony accidentally.

/our Founding Fathers continue to troll with their "inalienable human rights" thing
//actually the only inalienable right is to die if you don't toe the line, same as it ever was
///same as it ever was
 
2013-02-28 08:33:51 PM
If our laws and beliefs are so wonderful then why do we abandon them when we step outside the borders?
 
2013-02-28 08:35:39 PM

Thisbymaster: Well the good news is that they will not be able to tell the difference between the food in Hell and England.


Yes they will; the food in Hell won't be whinnying at them.
 
2013-02-28 08:37:01 PM
I just wish these countries would stfu about human rights violations in other countries. Please.
 
2013-02-28 08:37:21 PM
Stripping alleged combatants of citizenship is a step that the US hasn't yet taken, and probably won't, given the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution's right of due process.

Blowing up citizens without without due process and by secret unilateral executive fiat: *yawn*

Stripping a person of citizenship before blowing him without without due process and by secret unilateral executive fiat: that's right out!

Mmm. Kafkaesque.
 
2013-02-28 08:38:09 PM
I like how The Independent filed this story under "Crime". Indeed.
 
2013-02-28 08:38:56 PM

Rich Cream: If our laws and beliefs are so wonderful then why do we abandon them when we step outside the borders?


Because our freedoms and terrorism.

Just like in 2003, except this time its democrats.
 
2013-02-28 08:41:08 PM

gilgigamesh: blowing him without without due process


Actually, I have to clarify I have no objection to being blown without without due process. Just in case there are any pretty ladies reading the thread.
 
2013-02-28 08:42:48 PM

skinink: I'm glad that Obama won a second term, but this drone issue is wrong. If Dubya had been doing the same thing with drone planes the outcry would be deafening. Obama shouldn't get a free pass on this, especially when you read about how many civilians these drones kill also.


While I have a problem with collateral damage (not so much drone strikes since collateral damage happened just as much with actual pilots in the planes). I don't really have a problem with the killing of people who have joined the opposing side in a war.
 
2013-02-28 08:43:22 PM

fusillade762: I'm not sure Hellfire missile detonations are exactly quiet...


If a Hellfire missile goes off where you are, and there is nothing left of you to hear it, did it make a sound?
 
2013-02-28 08:50:23 PM
call me crazy, call me an idealist, call me sheeple, but if a drone attacks a known Al Qaeda stronghold and former prisoners get killed, maybe they weren't such sweet innocent people.

UltimaCS: Citizens de-citiizen'd by the UK from 2002 to 2010: 5
2010 to 2013: 16

USA Citizens killed by drone strikes: 3
UK Citizens killed: 1 (+1 injured, killed later by "traditional" means)


Also, ^^^This
 
2013-02-28 09:02:52 PM
So, the Fark Independents and other Libertarian dunderheads would have me believe that I was outraged by a gabillion dollar boondoggle in Iraq so I should be equally outrage by a more precise execution without all the expense and collateral damage?  Hell, I call that progress.  Also, it keeps us from looking like absolute fools being manipulated around the whims of Israel/Iran in the process.  Even better.
 
2013-02-28 09:10:59 PM
Those reporters better watch what they write about, or they Will End Up Regretting It.

Oh wait, they weren't criticizing the Obama administration, so they should be ok.
 
2013-02-28 09:11:01 PM
Foreign terrorists are being killed in foreign countries by the American military?

Isn't that their job?
 
2013-02-28 09:12:11 PM

UltimaCS: An investigation by The Independent says that since 2002, when a law allowing dual nationals to be stripped of their citizenship for doing something "seriously prejudicial" to the UK was passed, 21 people have had their citizenship taken away. That pace has dramatically increased under the current government, with The Independent reporting that 16 of that total have had their citizenship taken away by the order of Home Secretary Theresa Mary since 2010.

Citizens de-citiizen'd by the UK from 2002 to 2010: 5
2010 to 2013: 16

USA Citizens killed by drone strikes: 3
UK Citizens killed: 1 (+1 injured, killed later by "traditional" means)

Truly, the UK is pinpointing random civilians for Obama to robo-bomb.


Geez, you murder a single person and people still think you're a murderer.  Some people are just so sensitive.
 
2013-02-28 09:21:06 PM

Rich Cream: If our laws and beliefs are so wonderful then why do we abandon them when we step outside the borders?


Well, the other side isn't exactly playing by the rules either, are they?

It's a dirty little war.

Neither side is coming out of it smelling very nice.
 
2013-02-28 09:24:32 PM
I love the whole beat up over drones - as if being killed by some guy pressing a button at 10,000 feet in an F-18 was somehow better.
 
2013-02-28 09:24:40 PM
Prejudicial killings without any proof of foul play.

That could only come from an extremely fascist state.

No wonder the US gov't hasn't got the guts to justify drone strikes at the ICC.
 
2013-02-28 09:26:24 PM
ka1axy:  Well, the other side isn't exactly playing by the rules either, are they?

Are you saying that their savage behavior justifies your savage behavior?
 
2013-02-28 09:34:20 PM

gilgigamesh: gilgigamesh: blowing him without without due process

Actually, I have to clarify I have no objection to being blown without without due process. Just in case there are any pretty ladies reading the thread.


www.findingdulcinea.com
 
2013-02-28 09:35:37 PM

LargeCanine: Foreign terrorists are being killed in foreign countries by the American military?

Isn't that their job?


Don't forget the foreign terrorist's 16 year old son, killed him in that foreign country, too. Then, the American military about his age and connection to terrorists until being shown to be complete liars by a birth certificate.

I'm pretty sure all that is definitely the American military's job. It might even be in the documents you sign when you join up, "You do hereby agree to kill anyone we tell you is a foreign terrorist, and if necessary participate in the follow up conspiracy about their ages and/or their actual status as a terrorist."
 
2013-02-28 09:42:43 PM
Sucks to be them, I guess
If I think about it tomorrow, I'll check to see if I care then
 
2013-02-28 09:42:53 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: call me crazy, call me an idealist, call me sheeple, but if a drone attacks a known Al Qaeda stronghold and former prisoners get killed, maybe they weren't such sweet innocent people.


Yeah, I don't get the angst either. Al Qaeda and their affiliates declared war on the West, and on the US in particular, and have repeatedly attacked our country, citizens and soldiers, and facilities killing nearly ten thousand Americans along the way, along with thousands of other countries' citizens. Yes, it's a little bit of "the mouse that roared", but that doesn't get them a pass on return fire. Moreover, it doesn't get US citizens who've gone over to their side a pass. either. You join the enemy you take the same risks.

Back in the 90's Clinton was getting lambasted for not being tough enough with OBL and the countries that harbored him. Bush ignored timely warnings that might have averted the worst of 9/11 until it was too late. At least the Obama administration continues to carefully target actual militant leaders where and when it can, and goes to some lengths to minimize collateral damage. As unpleasant as the messy business of killing people is, I can't really fault this government.
 
2013-02-28 09:57:03 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
Still kickin and living off the government teat while screaming "death to america".

/stickler is in the details
 
2013-02-28 10:02:31 PM
GOBAMA!!  Kill em all before they ask for trials!
 
2013-02-28 10:05:01 PM
Pew Pew Pew!
 
2013-02-28 10:08:40 PM
If your citizenship is removed, you should probably not go outside unless it's overcast.
 
2013-02-28 10:09:26 PM
I see no problem with someone with dual citizenship being stripped of one of their citizenships by a country they've been engaged in war with. Sort of a "you were a lying bastard when you took that citizenship oath" thing.
 
2013-02-28 10:19:14 PM

skinink: If Dubya had been doing the same thing with drone planes the outcry would be deafening.


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Ummmm, no. I would have been more than happy to see Qaidans get the shiat blown out of them either way under Clinton, Dole, Gore, Bush, Kerry, Obama, Romney or President Springsteen. I'm cool with this pretty much all the time. And if the Brits want to revoke Qaidan citizenships beforehand, that's their business, not mine.
 
2013-02-28 10:20:31 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Killing them softly? With drone strikes?


You write as if you knew me in all my dark despair. And then you look right through me as if I wasn't there.
 
2013-02-28 10:25:52 PM

Rich Cream: Are you saying that their savage behavior justifies your savage behavior?


If you are part of an organization that has attacked the command and control center of my country's armed forces (you know, the Pentagon) you should reasonably expect deadly force in retaliation. That is well within international expectations of war. If you think that's unreasonable, then I would submit that you need to articulate and defend what would constitute a "reasonable" response.
 
2013-02-28 10:45:25 PM
I am not an Obama supporter nor a fan of his foreign policy, but I see no problem with drone strikes on foreign terrorists in foreign countries.

Killing US citizens who are terrorists in foreign nations poses a few legal issues, mostly with the manner in which they are targeted rather than the fact they are targeted. Some judicial oversight would clear it up, imo.
 
2013-02-28 10:46:16 PM

GORDON: Geez, you murder a single person and people still think you're a murderer.  Some people are just so sensitive.


I don't think you quite follow how this whole "war" thing pans out.
 
2013-02-28 10:48:43 PM

Somacandra: Rich Cream: Are you saying that their savage behavior justifies your savage behavior?

If you are part of an organization that has attacked the command and control center of my country's armed forces (you know, the Pentagon) you should reasonably expect deadly force in retaliation. That is well within international expectations of war. If you think that's unreasonable, then I would submit that you need to articulate and defend what would constitute a "reasonable" response.


Here, here. Fark em
 
2013-02-28 11:05:53 PM

Somacandra: Rich Cream: Are you saying that their savage behavior justifies your savage behavior?

If you are part of an organization that has attacked the command and control center of my country's armed forces (you know, the Pentagon) you should reasonably expect deadly force in retaliation. That is well within international expectations of war. If you think that's unreasonable, then I would submit that you need to articulate and defend what would constitute a "reasonable" response.



What happened was a crime not an act of war. Calling it an act of war is an excuse to not follow any laws. It was a cop-out when Bush said it then and it's a cop-out when you say it now.

For over a decade our leaders have done nothing but try to find ways around all law. From torture to POW treatment. It's disgusting.
 
2013-02-28 11:09:13 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Can we do FOX News reporters next? Pretty please?


You think that but I bet you have zero problem with Rachel Meadows saying that showing edited tape that changes the meaning of what a person says is ok.

Fark you.

As for stripping terrorists of their citizenship and then killing them?

(I'mOkwiththis.jpg)

Better them than truly innocent people - like civilians.

Seriously you're an American and you're fighting to destroy America?
Here - let me help you paint that target on your back and slit your throat in the process.
 
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