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2013-02-28 02:20:26 PM
8 votes:
"Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.
2013-02-28 02:52:18 PM
6 votes:
I would not allow my child to attend a public school with armed teachers.

I've worked in a public school before. Half of the teachers there shouldn't be trusted with cleaning solvents, much less firearms. And that wasn't even in Texas.
2013-02-28 02:44:19 PM
4 votes:
One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.
2013-02-28 02:43:50 PM
4 votes:
It's only a matter of time before a disgruntled teacher offs a challenging student, or vice versa, with one of these safety devices.
2013-02-28 02:43:10 PM
3 votes:
It's more likely that the malfunction was in the interface between the teacher and the weapon.
2013-02-28 02:42:32 PM
3 votes:
I hate it when "irony" walks right up to you - all smiling while it kicks you in the nuts.
2013-02-28 02:41:36 PM
3 votes:
Is there a "we saw this coming a mile away" category?
2013-02-28 05:03:55 PM
2 votes:

Yogimus: RedT:


In the Gaby Gifford shooter, Sandy Hook shooter, Colorado Theater, Christmas Mall shooting, all the way back to Charles Whitman adults were "trusted with firearms until they self identified" as batshiat crazy.

/didn't really work out well.

Statistically speaking, that is an acceptable loss rate for the benefits firearm ownership gives to this country. My point is that just because ONE person does something stupid, doesn't mean everyone else should give up their right to self defense.


Thank you!!!

I've been trying to tell these a-holes that 20 dead kids is a small price to pay for the hot piece of metal that throbs when I tickle that trigger.
2013-02-28 04:32:12 PM
2 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: You mean like the people that label others as "anti-choice" ?


Not that I use that term but it's a hell of a lot more accurate than Pro Abortion is.

The pro lifers are against women having a choice. That means they are by definition anti choice.

Pro choice people aren't all "YEAH!! ABORTION IS AWESOME!! EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE AN ABORTION!!!" They just think it should be the woman's choice. Thus pro choice is FAR more accurate than pro abortion.

Nice try though.
2013-02-28 04:26:09 PM
2 votes:

Yogimus: Which brings us around to the whole "You don't NEED an SUV, you don't NEED to be able to sit in the front of the bus, etc... Adults should be allowed to do things that endanger themselves, and often ARE allowed. Before you say "guns can hurt other", well, that's the point of them. To hurt others. Because sometimes, people need killing. You misuse that ability, and you fry.

You can't make the world a better place by being "pre-emptive".


You don't specifically need an SUV, you "need" a safer car - and there is at least some evidence to support the "I buy a big car so I can feel more free to drive like a douche" theory. Plus the whole "don't take a turn in an SUV at the same speed you would in car, unless you like rolling over" thing. SUVs may APPEAR safer, but start probing the numbers, and they're...not.

You don't specifically need a gun (after all, if you really want to kill, you could use a baseball bat or a board with a nail in it - it's not the weapon that kills, it's the person, right?), you "need" an increased sense of safety/protection. Learn Krav Maga.

If you specifically want "a gun", fine - it's your Constitutional right to own one, after all, and that's all the argument you'll ever need. However, don't sell me a line of post-hoc justification bullshiat that goes along with it. And don't pretend that just because I retain the right to sue if something "goes wrong with" your gun that all will be well once my case is won - death is still a one-way street, as are many serious injuries, and no jury award will ever raise the dead or magically repair a damaged brain.
2013-02-28 03:23:34 PM
2 votes:

Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.


A system that involves the gun show loophole, no license-required training, and disparate laws from state to state is not "trying it my way."
2013-02-28 02:57:52 PM
2 votes:
Oh, and "a mechanical malfunction with his weapon caused his gun to misfire" sounds a hell of a lot like "the gun went off while I was cleaning it" which is universally interpreted as  "I was doing something stupid".
2013-02-28 02:48:28 PM
2 votes:
As long as there's no collateral damage, I approve of people hurting themselves through incompetence.

/I guess that's hardly a radical position on Fark.
2013-02-28 02:46:50 PM
2 votes:

Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.


You know that there would be people who would respond to this by saying that all the children should be armed too, in order to protect themselves in just such a situation.  They will do so without a hint of irony in their voices.

"There was an old lady who swallowed a spider..."
2013-02-28 02:44:53 PM
2 votes:
Did he preface it by saying "I'm the only one professional enough to carry a Glock 40??"
2013-02-28 02:42:28 PM
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.


Exactly
It the weapon was being handled in a safe manner, I doubt it would have happened.
Safe = unloaded,not pointed anywhere it would cause harm at all, given any physics involved.
2013-02-28 02:41:51 PM
2 votes:
I laughed.
2013-02-28 02:40:56 PM
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.


It's like raaaaaiiiinnnn on your wedding day...
2013-02-28 11:11:51 PM
1 votes:
"Mechanical malfunction?" So the gun just discharged and it wasn't the user's fault? If this was just some idiot who mishandled a gun I can understand people saying "well, don't let the idiots handle guns on school property" (assuming you can identify them in advance), but if it is possible for a gun to have a mechanical malfunction  and discharge and be of no fault to the gun handler, then this is all the more reason not to have a gun on school grounds.
2013-02-28 08:13:40 PM
1 votes:

People_are_Idiots: stoli n coke:
Now, lots of gun nuts have said before, "well, people die in car crashes, so why not ban cars," during reactionary fits. However, if your car causes a wreck, whether you're driving or not, the registration puts accountability on you. That's why you transfer the title and registration when you sell a car privately. So that if someone does something stupid, it's not on you.

And with cars, it's been proven that it doesn't work, so why do you think it would work with guns? (HINT: Red light cameras)

The only argument I've heard from gun nuts is, "We can't fix everything, so it's best not to try to do anything."

Funny, I recommended a few things, no answer.


Red light cameras do what they are designed to do. Give out tickets to red light runners. And if you get a ticket in the mail after loaning your car to someone, you're going to be more careful about who you decide to loan your car to in the future. That's being a responsible car owner.

I think if you own a gun, just like a car, you should be responsible for everything that happens with it until the day you don't own it, including every shot fired. No "I didn't know it was loaded." No "I didn't think the kid could get to it." No "I loaned it to a friend, I didn't know what he was going to do with it." Someone farks up with your gun, it's on you. Just like how that red light camera ticket is going to jack up your insurance.

I hear a lot of people talking about being responsible gun owners, so why not assume some responsibility?
2013-02-28 07:58:05 PM
1 votes:

unamused: Karac:

What government intrusion?  You already asked how universal background checks could be enforced, and I already answered you - the same way the police enforce requiring ID checks to buy cigarettes or beer.

That works fine at the beer store.  Not worth a shiat when someone sells their 15 yo neighbor a 12 pack.


But, if that 15-year old gets behind the wheel of a car and wrecks after downing the 12-pack, the guy that gave the beer to the kid can face criminal charges.

I'd wager a good amount of people that don't want background checks on private sales either can't pass a check at a regular gun sellers or don't want anyone to know that they sell guns to people that they shouldn't sell to.
2013-02-28 07:27:13 PM
1 votes:
Misfire? Are you freaking shiatting me? That wasn't a misfire, it was a FIRE.

A misfire is when bullet DOESN'T come out the muzzle.

farking idiots.
2013-02-28 06:54:14 PM
1 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: vrax: Click to enlarge: vrax: Click to enlarge: That whole "guns are used as self-defence" argument. Ya, about that...

Between 1987 and 1990, guns were used in defense during a crime incident 64,615 times annually (258,460 times total over the whole period). This equated to two times out of 1,000 criminal incidents (0.2%) that occurred in this period, including criminal incidents where no guns were involved at all. For violent crimes, assault, robbery, and rape, guns were used 0.83% of the time in self-defense. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1615397/

Quick answer:  That's because not enough guns!  Duh!

That would make a great argument if it were true but it's not. Guns per capita was at 88.8% in 2007.

See, not 100%.  We need to try harder!

out of curiosity, how do we effect 100%  without arming felons and crazy assholes?


We kill the felons and crazy assholes.
2013-02-28 06:29:15 PM
1 votes:

Paul Baumer: Yogimus: Are you aware that background checks don't actually track what weapon is sold?

So have the vendor staple a background check result form  - signed by same, with FFL number or TIN, to the same day receipt for the sale.


Why bother when I can just say "This is my gun, I've owned it for years," and Mr. Cop can't prove otherwise unless the gun is registered to somebody.
2013-02-28 06:23:59 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: Here is my problem with the "gun show loophole" theory. It seeks to legislate private sales between private individuals.

  (i believe in making the background check available to anyone, not just firearms dealers. I just can't see a way to enforce mandating it)


The only way to enforce it is with universal registration.  If the cops don't know who owns it, there is no way to determine a sale took place.

Universal background checks require registration which ultimately leads to confiscation.  This is why the Soviets have been pushing so hard to end the "gun show loophole."
2013-02-28 06:06:53 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: Uranus Is Huge!: Yogimus: Karac: those checks do not occur at gun shows

^ this is false, when dealing with vendors.  Gun shows are more like swap-meets, and this returns us to person-to-person sales.  Here is where it gets tricky, because how can gov't reasonably affect transactions between individuals, and what would the benefit be?

If you get caught with a gun that was acquired without a background check, you got to jail for one year and are barred for life from owning firearms.

Are you aware that background checks don't actually track what weapon is sold?


Well there's another area for improvement!
2013-02-28 06:01:38 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: Karac: those checks do not occur at gun shows

^ this is false, when dealing with vendors.  Gun shows are more like swap-meets, and this returns us to person-to-person sales.  Here is where it gets tricky, because how can gov't reasonably affect transactions between individuals, and what would the benefit be?


If you get caught with a gun that was acquired without a background check, you got to jail for one year and are barred for life from owning firearms.
2013-02-28 05:56:43 PM
1 votes:
So, he isn't a teacher. This wasn't during school. This is a small town where it takes a while for law enforcement to get anywhere. Yep, just like usual. Bunch of Asshat libs on the site that have no clue what they are talking about.
2013-02-28 05:49:59 PM
1 votes:
News Report: Someone shot at school:
Wayne LaPierre :"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. If someone had been armed at the school, this tragedy could have been prevented."

Update:  No, a school employee shot himself at school:
Wayne LaPierre :"We need mental health screening for school employees. Persons deemed to be suicidal should NOT be allowed to carry a gun at school."

Update 2: It was an accident.
Wayne LaPierre : "Proper firearms training would have prevented this shooting."

Update 3:  This was during weapons safety training that the administrator shot himself.
Wayne LaPierre : "We need more certified instructors at schools so that administrators at schools can receive more personalized instruction."

Update 4: It one on one instruction.
Wayne LaPierre : "Cold. Dead. Fingers."
2013-02-28 05:43:57 PM
1 votes:

Click to enlarge: That whole "guns are used as self-defence" argument. Ya, about that...

Between 1987 and 1990, guns were used in defense during a crime incident 64,615 times annually (258,460 times total over the whole period). This equated to two times out of 1,000 criminal incidents (0.2%) that occurred in this period, including criminal incidents where no guns were involved at all. For violent crimes, assault, robbery, and rape, guns were used 0.83% of the time in self-defense. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1615397/


Quick answer:  That's because not enough guns!  Duh!
2013-02-28 05:15:57 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: Karac: How do you enforce a mandate that requires people to check ID's before selling someone a gun?
Probably the same way you enforce a mandate that requires people to check ID's before selling someone a beer.

and yet underage drinking exists.


All laws are stupid. We should get rid of them all. Because people break laws.
2013-02-28 05:15:21 PM
1 votes:

Witty_Retort: Yogimus: RedT:


In the Gaby Gifford shooter, Sandy Hook shooter, Colorado Theater, Christmas Mall shooting, all the way back to Charles Whitman adults were "trusted with firearms until they self identified" as batshiat crazy.

/didn't really work out well.

Statistically speaking, that is an acceptable loss rate for the benefits firearm ownership gives to this country. My point is that just because ONE person does something stupid, doesn't mean everyone else should give up their right to self defense.

Thank you!!!

I've been trying to tell these a-holes that 20 dead kids is a small price to pay for the hot piece of metal that throbs when I tickle that trigger.


We got plenty of kids, if we need to sacrifice 20 of them once in a while, no biggie, although I do think it should be on national television with a national lottery, we can march 20 random kids onto a stage and shoot them, while dancing around singing "We Love the Second Amendment!"
2013-02-28 05:02:54 PM
1 votes:
The answer is obvious, we need to ban schools.
2013-02-28 04:41:19 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: GnomePaladin: And yet there are still mouth-breathers who will say that more firearms in schools is some kind of solution to the problem of people getting shot in schools. They can't even pull off a safety course without someone getting shot. A-farking-mazing.

Disarming cops should significantly reduce shootings as well.


It would in L.A.
2013-02-28 04:34:57 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: evilmrsock: Yogimus: a concealed handgun class

Ah, so they were being TRAINED on firearms use, in a class full of adults.

So what you're telling me that someone paid good money to be taught how to not completely fark this up, and it STILL went wrong?

Some jackass brought a loaded gun to school, the teacher said "We can't have loaded guns in here", jackass says "Its not loaded, see?" and pulls trigger.   - This is why MOST safety courses don't actually allow guns to be brought to class.


And yet there are still mouth-breathers who will say that more firearms in schools is some kind of solution to the problem of people getting shot in schools.  They can't even pull off a safety course without someone getting shot.  A-farking-mazing.
2013-02-28 04:29:44 PM
1 votes:
DID THE SUBTARD EVEN READ THE ARTICLE?


Maintenance person for school was attending concealed pistol licensing class.  Teacher was not shot, maintenance man was, I think BY the firearms instructor...

This was not even on the school grounds you IDIOT.

People who are this misleading really are JACKASSES.  Seriously.

ZZZZOMG!!!!   TEACHERS FIRING THEIR GUNS DURING CLASS!!?!?!     

Yeah, not even close to how it went down.
2013-02-28 04:24:16 PM
1 votes:
My state just passed one of these stupid laws making it okay for school employees to be armed. I've yet to meet a teacher or administrator who thinks that it is a good idea, and I work in education. It was just a way for the legislature to give the appearance of doing something while passing the buck to the schools. If a shooting does ever happen, they'll say "Well, you should have armed your teachers! We gave you the option!", and when an accident inevitably happens they can say "Hey, it was your choice to arm your staff. It's not our fault!".
2013-02-28 04:24:08 PM
1 votes:
RedT:


In the Gaby Gifford shooter, Sandy Hook shooter, Colorado Theater, Christmas Mall shooting, all the way back to Charles Whitman adults were "trusted with firearms until they self identified" as batshiat crazy.

/didn't really work out well.


Statistically speaking, that is an acceptable loss rate for the benefits firearm ownership gives to this country. My point is that just because ONE person does something stupid, doesn't mean everyone else should give up their right to self defense.
2013-02-28 04:21:25 PM
1 votes:
Technical issue PEBOAF

/Problem exists between owner and firearm
2013-02-28 04:21:03 PM
1 votes:
What I admire most about the Republican party is its consistency.

"Teachers are overpaid babysitters! Most of them are too stupid to teach kids anything! Thanks to public schools, we have some of the dumbest kids in the world!"

"OMG, attacks on schools! Give teachers guns to protect the children!"

Amusing.
2013-02-28 04:10:41 PM
1 votes:

Click to enlarge: It's only a matter of time before a disgruntled teacher offs a challenging student, or vice versa, with one of these safety devices.


My retarded liberal friend said this same argument.   'what what what, what if a teacher gets irritated at a student and shoots him?"

Really?  thats all you got?

I mean, if the teachers were that unstable, they would just be taking a pencil and stabbing students in the neck or something.

But no... apparently, to him, having a gun on you, concealed in a holster, or in the safe in the teacher's office, causes teachers to shoot their students.
2013-02-28 04:01:43 PM
1 votes:
But gun sales are still up, right?  All is well, then.
2013-02-28 03:55:46 PM
1 votes:
It's funny how so many NRA supporters go on and on about how "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." and "It's the gun owner's responsibility to safely use it," however, as soon as something like this happns, the tune changes to "The gun malfunctioned,""It just went off," and "Accidents happen."

Kind of inconsistent, don't ya think?
2013-02-28 03:45:32 PM
1 votes:

Adalius: Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."



It is only 'unclear' because it probably was on school grounds...they are just too embarrassed to say it just yet.
2013-02-28 03:38:25 PM
1 votes:

master_dman: Yep.  More liberal fear mongering bad reporting here.


Yes, because facts = "liberal fear mongering".
2013-02-28 03:38:01 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Uh, we had a slight mechanical malfunction, but uh...
,,,everything's perfectly all right now.
We're fine.

We're all fine here now, thank you.


How are you?
2013-02-28 03:34:14 PM
1 votes:
Wow - when did "There is no gun show loophole!" become the latest "you said clip not magazine!"

Do you guys all subscribe to Modern Intellectual Dishonesty Monthly or something?
2013-02-28 03:31:57 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: Paul Baumer: Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.

A system that involves the gun show loophole, no license-required training, and disparate laws from state to state is not "trying it my way."

Describe this gun show loophole please.


http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/federal/gun_show.shtml
2013-02-28 03:30:00 PM
1 votes:

Paul Baumer: Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.

A system that involves the gun show loophole, no license-required training, and disparate laws from state to state is not "trying it my way."


There is no gun show loophole.  It doesn't exist.  It's made up fiction. Private citizens are allowed to sell normally legal firearms to anyone they believe is legally able to own a firearm.  If they know that person to be unable to legally own the firearm, they are prohibited from selling it. All dealers must do a background check, regardless of whether or not they're in their store or at a gun show.

No license depends on the state and how one plans on using it.  Most states that allow for concealed carry require training and licensing.  Just owning?  Generally no training nor licensing.  Disparate laws from state to state.  Well, too bad.  That's the beauty of states' rights.  There are disparate laws for the speed limits, too.  Deal with it.

Also, this is basically a non-story.  The person was at the class getting training.  May have even been on the range (hence the reason the weapon was loaded).  I'm not sure on the mechanical malfunction, but it does seem to indicate that proper handling techniques may have been in use.  The weapon was pointed in what might've seemed like a safe direction, but ricocheted into the shooter.  It could be a mechanical malfunction, it could be a training issue (maybe squeezed a trigger they shouldn't have).  That's the biggest part of unsureness here.
2013-02-28 03:29:29 PM
1 votes:
This is what went through my mind when reading this:

I have never seen a teacher in a classroom who has been able to get the vcr to work with a television at the same time.

So this isn't terribly shocking to me.
2013-02-28 03:29:27 PM
1 votes:
Yep.  More liberal fear mongering bad reporting here.
2013-02-28 03:27:00 PM
1 votes:

duenor: Raoul Eaton: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

More likely is someone using bad judgment or simply spacing out (if those aren't the same thing) and leaving a gun where it is accessible to students.  Cops do that sometimes.  Parents seem to do it often.  If teachers can bring guns to school, it's just a matter of time.

People who are not properly trained, and required to maintain that training, often do.
Those who have been, and are religiously maintaining it, rarely do.


Hilarious footage of an Atlanta police instructor  shooting himself while teaching a safety class.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0
2013-02-28 03:25:35 PM
1 votes:
It is a simple concept.  Treat adults as adults, and children as children. Adults will be trusted with firearms, until they self identify themselves as morons, in which case they get to deal with the legal consequences of their actions.  There are no accidents.  I don't take YOUR things away because the guy down the street can't handle his responsibilities.

Children get toys taken away if the toys are dangerous.
2013-02-28 03:23:19 PM
1 votes:
Gun nuts are hilariously oblivious.
2013-02-28 03:19:34 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: MFAWG: Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.

Creating a situation where they're even more likely to get shot seems like a typically brain dead, conservative solution

Libertarian/Humanist. Sorry, you missed with your labeling.

/must be because you are a filthy swede


Riiiiiiiggghhhttt.
2013-02-28 03:15:53 PM
1 votes:

I should be in the kitchen: Raoul Eaton: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

More likely is someone using bad judgment or simply spacing out (if those aren't the same thing) and leaving a gun where it is accessible to students.  Cops do that sometimes.  Parents seem to do it often.  If teachers can bring guns to school, it's just a matter of time.

That's my biggest concern with allowing guns in schools. Or, that a kid could forcibly take it from a teacher. I'm 5'6", and when I worked in an elementary school, there were 4th graders already taller than me. A 6-foot-something teenager with a chip on his shoulder? I'd be dead.



A majority (over 50%) of schools already have armed security officers in the school. It is the rural areas that do not have them where as the urban areas (NY, Balt., Det., Phil. etc) have their own police forces specifically for their school system.

Cops in NY have a 7% hit rate on their intended target in shootouts and a 17% hit rate on other cops and innocent bystanders.....rural areas have alot of people who hunt where if you don't hit your target with your first shot you don't eat.

I'd wager rural civillians carrying firearms in schools will be much safer than having cops carry guns.
2013-02-28 03:11:48 PM
1 votes:

Raoul Eaton: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

More likely is someone using bad judgment or simply spacing out (if those aren't the same thing) and leaving a gun where it is accessible to students.  Cops do that sometimes.  Parents seem to do it often.  If teachers can bring guns to school, it's just a matter of time.


That's my biggest concern with allowing guns in schools. Or, that a kid could forcibly take it from a teacher. I'm 5'6", and when I worked in an elementary school, there were 4th graders already taller than me. A 6-foot-something teenager with a chip on his shoulder? I'd be dead.
2013-02-28 03:11:31 PM
1 votes:

MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.



Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.
2013-02-28 02:59:25 PM
1 votes:
And THIS is exactly why the "ARM THE TEACHING/MAINTENANCE STAFF!!!" is so freaking retarded!

These people are not cops. They are not soldiers. They are not trained security guards. They are average schlubs. Add to that even with trained personnel the more firearms that are around the more likely it is there will be an accidental discharge. Classrooms and school hallways have a high concentration of people in them at any given point in time. You have an accidental discharge in that type of environment it is very likely someone is going to get hurt.

The moral of the story is... your "solutions" are more problematic than anything, NRA/gun weirdos. You're gonna end up killing your own damned kids.

Obvious post is obvious... but apparently not enough because the whargarblers will STILL find a way to try and justify cramming the schools with guns.

Pathetic.
2013-02-28 02:59:09 PM
1 votes:
Setting aside the issue of school staff carrying weapons for a second, what was a loaded weapon being used for in a class I'm assuming is about firearm safety.

The firearms safety classes I've taken used guns with the firing mechanism removed, maybe that's just a thing in socialist Canuckistan.
2013-02-28 02:57:54 PM
1 votes:

Adalius: Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."

Accidents happen at shooting ranges too, should we shut them all down and ban them all so the only people left with guns are untrained and prone to more accidents? While we're at it, lets close down phy ed classes in schools because get bloody noses during dodgeball on occasion.


I'm confused.  Do we make kids aged 4-18 hang out at shooting ranges for 30 hours a week?
2013-02-28 02:56:33 PM
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Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.


Well, given that it's an instructor that assumably does this thousands of time in a given year, I'd give slightly more credence to it being an actual malfunction instead of negligence.  And it's a ricochet that got 'em, so at least the gun was pointed in a safe direction.

That said, why was the instructor fiddling with a loaded gun in the classroom?  I know my CCP teacher was armed during the lecture segment, but it stayed in its holster where it's supposed to be until we were actually out on the range doing the practical qualifier.  I'm somewhat skeptical of a teacher that's doing something that could set off a mechanical failure while they're in a building with other people, I don't even clean my pistol unless I know where my roommate is and have never removed it from its carrier outside of my house and the range.

I'm kinda... dubious about the competence involved here, though technically I'd call the story somewhat plausible, basically.
2013-02-28 02:53:34 PM
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SpdrJay: But, if only the students had been armed too, one of them could have shot the teacher before he was able to shoot himself!


That made me laugh so that a tiny string of booger flew from my nose, and I can't see where it went.  I'm hoping it didn't land on my sandwich.  In short, you owe me a sandwich.

/eating it anyway.
2013-02-28 02:52:00 PM
1 votes:

Yogimus: a concealed handgun class

Ah, so they were being TRAINED on firearms use, in a class full of adults.


So what you're telling me that someone paid good money to be taught how to not completely fark this up, and it STILL went wrong?
2013-02-28 02:51:58 PM
1 votes:

Carn: You know that there would be people who would respond to this by saying that all the children should be armed too, in order to protect themselves in just such a situation. They will do so without a hint of irony in their voices.


Some of them seriously recommended that husky 12-year-olds throw themselves at gunmen to stop school massacres. I'm shocked these people are able to get out of the house without walking repeatedly into the doorframe.
2013-02-28 02:51:38 PM
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Gifted Many Few: I can see this happening in one of the more pansy states, but Texans should know better. Ship this guy off to somewhere like Iowa or Ohio where he can think about what he did.


Everything is Herp-a-derpier in Texas.


/Alaskan.
//Don't piss us off, or we'll split in half and make you the third largest state.
2013-02-28 02:51:29 PM
1 votes:

Adalius: Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."

Accidents happen at shooting ranges too, should we shut them all down and ban them all so the only people left with guns are untrained and prone to more accidents? While we're at it, lets close down phy ed classes in schools because get bloody noses during dodgeball on occasion.


... this actually happened...
2013-02-28 02:50:48 PM
1 votes:
Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."

Accidents happen at shooting ranges too, should we shut them all down and ban them all so the only people left with guns are untrained and prone to more accidents? While we're at it, lets close down phy ed classes in schools because get bloody noses during dodgeball on occasion.
2013-02-28 02:50:16 PM
1 votes:

Ego edo infantia cattus: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.

So... guns DO kill people?


Only when they malfunction.

// see? PREFECTLY safe in the right hands
// and in schools, where nobody ever makes bad decisions (including teachers and custodians)
2013-02-28 02:48:01 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.


So... guns DO kill people?
2013-02-28 02:46:52 PM
1 votes:
But, if only the students had been armed too, one of them could have shot the teacher before he was able to shoot himself!
2013-02-28 02:46:38 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.


See? Guns  do kill people.

/or injure, in this case
2013-02-28 02:45:49 PM
1 votes:
I live in east Texas now. Van's school mascot is the" Vandals". It is a stereotypical redneck town.

/I can only callously say "Good"
2013-02-28 02:45:30 PM
1 votes:
Well, that was educational.
2013-02-28 02:43:41 PM
1 votes:
I can see this happening in one of the more pansy states, but Texans should know better. Ship this guy off to somewhere like Iowa or Ohio where he can think about what he did.
2013-02-28 02:40:48 PM
1 votes:
Surprised it took this long.
 
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