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2013-02-28 03:37:59 PM

trappedspirit: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.

Yeah, definitely more likely.  I worked out the probabilities on this napkin.  Also it sounds better, manufactures more drama


Close range wounds from firearms tend to be quite serious.  On children even more so, which would lead to an increase in potential mortality.  But whatever dude, they are just somebody else's crotchfruit, amirite?

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2013-02-28 03:38:01 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Uh, we had a slight mechanical malfunction, but uh...
,,,everything's perfectly all right now.
We're fine.

We're all fine here now, thank you.


How are you?
 
2013-02-28 03:38:25 PM

master_dman: Yep.  More liberal fear mongering bad reporting here.


Yes, because facts = "liberal fear mongering".
 
2013-02-28 03:38:55 PM

Paul Baumer: Wow - when did "There is no gun show loophole!" become the latest "you said clip not magazine!"


Since Merriam-Webster got cited in every gun thread.
 
2013-02-28 03:40:12 PM

PumpkinCake: This is what went through my mind when reading this:

I have never seen a teacher in a classroom who has been able to get the vcr to work with a television at the same time.

So this isn't terribly shocking to me.


When I was a kid we had kids from AV club come in and run the AV stuff.  They don't do this anymore?
 
2013-02-28 03:41:04 PM

here to help: And THIS is exactly why the "ARM THE TEACHING/MAINTENANCE STAFF!!!" is so freaking retarded!

These people are not cops. They are not soldiers. [...]


They are, however, Texans, so in their own minds they honestly believe they're all naturally born expert firearms handlers.  Trying to convince them otherwise is a waste of time.
 
2013-02-28 03:41:59 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.


The mechanical malfunction was that the human component wasn't operating at an acceptable performance level. An initiative to recall all these faulty parts has met with some public backlash
recently so resolving these issues may take some time.
 
2013-02-28 03:43:01 PM

evilmrsock: So what you're telling me that someone paid good money to be taught how to not completely fark this up, and it STILL went wrong?


Since I instruct the TX CHL course, I can almost 100% guarantee you the reason this person was staying after class for extra instruction is because he wasn't up to passing the class and the instructor held him over as a last ditch attempt to improve his skills before saying "fark it" and giving him his money back.
 
2013-02-28 03:43:16 PM
When I got my chl, the class i took was almost entirely populated with teachers (this is in TX also).  It...creeped me out.  All of about 5 of them had their minds in the right place, they others were a little too...excited.

/On lady kept asking the instructor if she could shoot anybody that came onto her property.
//The instructor explained 4 times that just because it's technically legal*, doesn't mean it's right, or you'll be found innocent.  My favorite response of his was "Close your front door."
///"So I can shoot 'em, right?"  Instructor--*facepalm*
 
2013-02-28 03:44:10 PM

jigger: [failuretalks.files.wordpress.com image 452x330]
boobies, seriously?



Actually I think he took it in the thigh.
 
2013-02-28 03:44:13 PM
That article is so badly written, I barely got through it.  But what I did get from it is that the subby didn't read it correctly at all.
Class was not in session, and he didn't shoot himself.  He shot the janitor.
 
2013-02-28 03:45:32 PM

Adalius: Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."



It is only 'unclear' because it probably was on school grounds...they are just too embarrassed to say it just yet.
 
2013-02-28 03:47:48 PM

Click Click D'oh: evilmrsock: So what you're telling me that someone paid good money to be taught how to not completely fark this up, and it STILL went wrong?

Since I instruct the TX CHL course, I can almost 100% guarantee you the reason this person was staying after class for extra instruction is because he wasn't up to passing the class and the instructor held him over as a last ditch attempt to improve his skills before saying "fark it" and giving him his money back.


Are you getting a kick outta these replies?!?
 
2013-02-28 03:48:23 PM

Yogimus: It is a simple concept.  Treat adults as adults, and children as children. Adults will be trusted with firearms, until they self identify themselves as morons, in which case they get to deal with the legal consequences of their actions.  There are no accidents.  I don't take YOUR things away because the guy down the street can't handle his responsibilities.

Children get toys taken away if the toys are dangerous.


This bridge is TOTALLY safe to cross. I checked it myself, yesterday. Look, just cross it, and if it collapses and you die, your surviving family members can sue the everloving shiat out of me - where's the problem?

// we genrally don't give toys to children unless/until we determine they meet a baseline of "safety" - no exposed sharp edges, no small parts, no long cords, etc
// and we don't let people run nuclear reactors in their homes, even if they're respected nuclear physicists who have time and again displayed civic awareness and responsible home ownership
// tl;dr - we assess risk and act accordingly. pretending there is no risk or that remedies exist in all cases is very short-sighted and silly
 
2013-02-28 03:48:48 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.

The mechanical malfunction was that the human component wasn't operating at an acceptable performance level. An initiative to recall all these faulty parts has met with some public backlash
recently so resolving these issues may take some time.


Is there a "PEBKAC" for firearms?
 
2013-02-28 03:49:21 PM
talkingpointsmemo.com
 
TWX
2013-02-28 03:49:34 PM

Amos Quito: jigger: [failuretalks.files.wordpress.com image 452x330]
boobies, seriously?


Actually I think he took it in the thigh.


lol
 
2013-02-28 03:49:45 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.

So... guns DO kill people?


Only when provided to drug cartels by the Obama administration.
 
2013-02-28 03:50:19 PM
Having worked with teachers AND security guards (armed & unarmed) AND cops and kids and crazy people...I think I can say schools are way a lot safer if we just leave things like they are, than try to put gunz in the hands of teachers or let a bunch of rentacops loose on campuses with grade schoolers.
 
2013-02-28 03:53:32 PM
Meh, as long as the teachers are popping whiny leftist twats, it'll be fine.
 
2013-02-28 03:54:56 PM

Dr Dreidel: Yogimus: It is a simple concept.  Treat adults as adults, and children as children. Adults will be trusted with firearms, until they self identify themselves as morons, in which case they get to deal with the legal consequences of their actions.  There are no accidents.  I don't take YOUR things away because the guy down the street can't handle his responsibilities.

Children get toys taken away if the toys are dangerous.

This bridge is TOTALLY safe to cross. I checked it myself, yesterday. Look, just cross it, and if it collapses and you die, your surviving family members can sue the everloving shiat out of me - where's the problem?

// we genrally don't give toys to children unless/until we determine they meet a baseline of "safety" - no exposed sharp edges, no small parts, no long cords, etc
// and we don't let people run nuclear reactors in their homes, even if they're respected nuclear physicists who have time and again displayed civic awareness and responsible home ownership
// tl;dr - we assess risk and act accordingly. pretending there is no risk or that remedies exist in all cases is very short-sighted and silly


Which brings us around to the whole "You don't NEED an SUV, you don't NEED to be able to sit in the front of the bus, etc... Adults should be allowed to do things that endanger themselves, and often ARE allowed. Before you say "guns can hurt other", well, that's the point of them. To hurt others. Because sometimes, people need killing. You misuse that ability, and you fry.

You can't make the world a better place by being "pre-emptive".
 
2013-02-28 03:55:40 PM

vrax: Giltric: rural areas have alot of people who hunt where if you don't hit your target with your first shot you don't eat.

Umm, what century are you talking about?


This one.

Remember the drought this last summer?  There were towns where the only source of water was the local mayor driving his pickup for half an hour to a nearby friendly town, filling up barrels from their wells, then hauling it all back.

Think Ozarks or the Appalachians.  Actual rural, not fake kitschy "homestyle restaurant 10 minutes outside of major city" rural.

And it's not that there's no food in the grocery stores in these places, it's that the people don't have the money to buy enough.  If you can shoot (or, far more realistic but less flameworthy for this thread, trap) your food, you get to eat more than government cheese.
 
2013-02-28 03:55:46 PM
It's funny how so many NRA supporters go on and on about how "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." and "It's the gun owner's responsibility to safely use it," however, as soon as something like this happns, the tune changes to "The gun malfunctioned,""It just went off," and "Accidents happen."

Kind of inconsistent, don't ya think?
 
2013-02-28 03:56:31 PM

kombat_unit: Meh, as long as the teachers are popping whiny leftist twats, it'll be fine.



i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-28 03:57:42 PM
Thanks NRA! Great idea. This should fix everything right up.
 
2013-02-28 03:57:48 PM

stoli n coke: It's funny how so many NRA supporters go on and on about how "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." and "It's the gun owner's responsibility to safely use it," however, as soon as something like this happns, the tune changes to "The gun malfunctioned,""It just went off," and "Accidents happen."

Kind of inconsistent, don't ya think?


Kind of didn't happen.  At all.
 
2013-02-28 03:59:38 PM

Witty_Retort: fknra: I'm all for arming teachers.

/after they receive the equivalant of a law enforcement firearm certification

//you wanna arm up like a cop? you gotta certify at cop level.

///not that that is really saying much...

Not that that would even help.

Newly hired security officer leaves gun unattended in school bathroom

"The armed security guard at The Chatfield School in Lapeer, Michigan, was hired in response to the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School."

Well, what do you expect from some rent-a-cop who took a 'safety course'

"WNEM has identified the officer as Clark Arnold, a 32-year-veteran of the Lapeer County Sheriff's office. "

ohhh...


That's just sad.
 
2013-02-28 03:59:46 PM

stoli n coke: It's funny how so many NRA supporters go on and on about how "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." and "It's the gun owner's responsibility to safely use it," however, as soon as something like this happns, the tune changes to "The gun malfunctioned,""It just went off," and "Accidents happen."

Kind of inconsistent, don't ya think?


Hi there, NRA supporter here.  Guns don't "just go off" and accidents don't just "happen".  There was negligence at some level of this.  Someone did something stupid,  and now they have a bullet in their leg... and the instructor is going to be in serious hot water unless he has a damn good explanation for how one of his students ended up with a bullet in them.

If they followed the rules, there wouldn't be a bullet in this guys leg.
 
2013-02-28 04:00:23 PM
The instructor was just teaching gun safety by showing them what not to do. What better way to remember the importance of gun safety than getting shot.
 
2013-02-28 04:01:16 PM
Yes, subby is a douche.  And I'm gldad to see Fark is still home to so many Anti-gun douches who spew even more douchbagery.
 
2013-02-28 04:01:43 PM
But gun sales are still up, right?  All is well, then.
 
2013-02-28 04:01:57 PM
I don't want to live in this state anymore.

pic of Professor Farnsworth
 
2013-02-28 04:02:58 PM

Yogimus: It is a simple concept.  Treat adults as adults, and children as children. Adults will be trusted with firearms, until they self identify themselves as morons, in which case they get to deal with the legal consequences of their actions.  There are no accidents.  I don't take YOUR things away because the guy down the street can't handle his responsibilities.

Children get toys taken away if the toys are dangerous.



Well there's the problem. Injuring or killing someone as a means of moron identification is in itself an accident.
 
2013-02-28 04:03:14 PM

over_and_done: vrax: Giltric: rural areas have alot of people who hunt where if you don't hit your target with your first shot you don't eat.

Umm, what century are you talking about?

This one.

Remember the drought this last summer?  There were towns where the only source of water was the local mayor driving his pickup for half an hour to a nearby friendly town, filling up barrels from their wells, then hauling it all back.

Think Ozarks or the Appalachians.  Actual rural, not fake kitschy "homestyle restaurant 10 minutes outside of major city" rural.

And it's not that there's no food in the grocery stores in these places, it's that the people don't have the money to buy enough.  If you can shoot (or, far more realistic but less flameworthy for this thread, trap) your food, you get to eat more than government cheese.


Ah, "the sticks".  Middle of nowhere.  Lots of school shootings in The Ozarks?
 
2013-02-28 04:05:02 PM
Most of the guys I went to school with had a gun in their truck. Heck, a lot of them had gun racks with guns openly displayed on them. And as much as I personally enjoy shooting a gun and the security feeling that goes along with it, we absolutely do NOT needs guns in schools.
 
2013-02-28 04:07:29 PM

Giltric: I should be in the kitchen: Raoul Eaton: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

More likely is someone using bad judgment or simply spacing out (if those aren't the same thing) and leaving a gun where it is accessible to students.  Cops do that sometimes.  Parents seem to do it often.  If teachers can bring guns to school, it's just a matter of time.

That's my biggest concern with allowing guns in schools. Or, that a kid could forcibly take it from a teacher. I'm 5'6", and when I worked in an elementary school, there were 4th graders already taller than me. A 6-foot-something teenager with a chip on his shoulder? I'd be dead.


A majority (over 50%) of schools already have armed security officers in the school. It is the rural areas that do not have them where as the urban areas (NY, Balt., Det., Phil. etc) have their own police forces specifically for their school system.

Cops in NY have a 7% hit rate on their intended target in shootouts and a 17% hit rate on other cops and innocent bystanders.....rural areas have alot of people who hunt where if you don't hit your target with your first shot you don't eat.

I'd wager rural civillians carrying firearms in schools will be much safer than having cops carry guns.


Way to totally miss the point. Or did you just reply to the wrong poster?
 
2013-02-28 04:08:28 PM
As long as our kids are safe. We can continue bombing other people's children around the world for democracy. I mean, we already have it, right?
 
2013-02-28 04:09:04 PM
i204.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-28 04:10:41 PM

Click to enlarge: It's only a matter of time before a disgruntled teacher offs a challenging student, or vice versa, with one of these safety devices.


My retarded liberal friend said this same argument.   'what what what, what if a teacher gets irritated at a student and shoots him?"

Really?  thats all you got?

I mean, if the teachers were that unstable, they would just be taking a pencil and stabbing students in the neck or something.

But no... apparently, to him, having a gun on you, concealed in a holster, or in the safe in the teacher's office, causes teachers to shoot their students.
 
2013-02-28 04:12:27 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: anti-Bill of Rights assholes


Oh... is that the new right wing phrase to try and shut down anyone who DARES to try and come up with solutions to the rampant gun problems? Nice word twisting.

Just like people aren't Pro Choice. They're PRO ABORTION!

Lame, dude. Lame.
 
2013-02-28 04:14:35 PM

Click Click D'oh: stoli n coke: It's funny how so many NRA supporters go on and on about how "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." and "It's the gun owner's responsibility to safely use it," however, as soon as something like this happns, the tune changes to "The gun malfunctioned,""It just went off," and "Accidents happen."

Kind of inconsistent, don't ya think?

Hi there, NRA supporter here.  Guns don't "just go off" and accidents don't just "happen".  There was negligence at some level of this.  Someone did something stupid,  and now they have a bullet in their leg... and the instructor is going to be in serious hot water unless he has a damn good explanation for how one of his students ended up with a bullet in them.

If they followed the rules, there wouldn't be a bullet in this guys leg.


Well, the important thing to remember is that since this was a "school-sponsored weapons class," all of the local tax payers will be covering the cost of either the injured person's medical bills or suing the CC instructor.
 
2013-02-28 04:15:37 PM
It's obvious what the solution is: We need armed teachers to protect the armed teachers.
 
2013-02-28 04:17:05 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Click to enlarge: It's only a matter of time before a disgruntled teacher offs a challenging student, or vice versa, with one of these safety devices.

My retarded liberal friend said this same argument.   'what what what, what if a teacher gets irritated at a student and shoots him?"

Really?  thats all you got?

I mean, if the teachers were that unstable, they would just be taking a pencil and stabbing students in the neck or something.

But no... apparently, to him, having a gun on you, concealed in a holster, or in the safe in the teacher's office, causes teachers to shoot their students.


I hope I never get the chance to say "told you so". You, however, seem to be okay with the possibility. Or blissfully ignorant to the possibility, no matter how slight you might believe it to be.
 
2013-02-28 04:18:23 PM

here to help: Big_Fat_Liar: anti-Bill of Rights assholes

Oh... is that the new right wing phrase to try and shut down anyone who DARES to try and come up with solutions to the rampant gun problems? Nice word twisting.

Just like people aren't Pro Choice. They're PRO ABORTION!

Lame, dude. Lame.


You mean like the people that label others as "anti-choice" ?
 
2013-02-28 04:19:54 PM

Yogimus: Dr Dreidel: Yogimus: It is a simple concept.  Treat adults as adults, and children as children. Adults will be trusted with firearms, until they self identify themselves as morons, in which case they get to deal with the legal consequences of their actions.  There are no accidents.  I don't take YOUR things away because the guy down the street can't handle his responsibilities.

Children get toys taken away if the toys are dangerous.

This bridge is TOTALLY safe to cross. I checked it myself, yesterday. Look, just cross it, and if it collapses and you die, your surviving family members can sue the everloving shiat out of me - where's the problem?

// we genrally don't give toys to children unless/until we determine they meet a baseline of "safety" - no exposed sharp edges, no small parts, no long cords, etc
// and we don't let people run nuclear reactors in their homes, even if they're respected nuclear physicists who have time and again displayed civic awareness and responsible home ownership
// tl;dr - we assess risk and act accordingly. pretending there is no risk or that remedies exist in all cases is very short-sighted and silly

Which brings us around to the whole "You don't NEED an SUV, you don't NEED to be able to sit in the front of the bus, etc... Adults should be allowed to do things that endanger themselves, and often ARE allowed. Before you say "guns can hurt other", well, that's the point of them. To hurt others. Because sometimes, people need killing. You misuse that ability, and you fry.

You can't make the world a better place by being "pre-emptive".


Yogimus, you do realize that your argument is what got us where we are in the first place, right?

In the Gaby Gifford shooter, Sandy Hook shooter, Colorado Theater, Christmas Mall shooting, all the way back to Charles Whitman adults were "trusted with firearms until they self identified" as batshiat crazy.

/didn't really work out well.
 
2013-02-28 04:21:03 PM
What I admire most about the Republican party is its consistency.

"Teachers are overpaid babysitters! Most of them are too stupid to teach kids anything! Thanks to public schools, we have some of the dumbest kids in the world!"

"OMG, attacks on schools! Give teachers guns to protect the children!"

Amusing.
 
2013-02-28 04:21:25 PM
Technical issue PEBOAF

/Problem exists between owner and firearm
 
2013-02-28 04:23:01 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Click to enlarge: It's only a matter of time before a disgruntled teacher offs a challenging student, or vice versa, with one of these safety devices.

My retarded liberal friend said this same argument.   'what what what, what if a teacher gets irritated at a student and shoots him?"

Really?  thats all you got?

I mean, if the teachers were that unstable, they would just be taking a pencil and stabbing students in the neck or something.

But no... apparently, to him, having a gun on you, concealed in a holster, or in the safe in the teacher's office, causes teachers to shoot their students.


That's a bit of a reach. A better argument would be that teachers get paid so little and put up with so much bullshiat from students and parents that, by and large, they won't be willing to take a bullet for your kids.
 
2013-02-28 04:24:07 PM
Something is terribly wrong with a society that has movie logic as public policy.
 
2013-02-28 04:24:08 PM
RedT:


In the Gaby Gifford shooter, Sandy Hook shooter, Colorado Theater, Christmas Mall shooting, all the way back to Charles Whitman adults were "trusted with firearms until they self identified" as batshiat crazy.

/didn't really work out well.


Statistically speaking, that is an acceptable loss rate for the benefits firearm ownership gives to this country. My point is that just because ONE person does something stupid, doesn't mean everyone else should give up their right to self defense.
 
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