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2013-02-28 03:01:01 PM
Darwin is going to be very very busy.  Fortunately nobody will be able to tell because it's against the law to teach science.  Because then everybody would know who Darwin was and then it just becomes self-fulfilling.
 
2013-02-28 03:01:29 PM

Adalius: Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."

Accidents happen at shooting ranges too, should we shut them all down and ban them all so the only people left with guns are untrained and prone to more accidents? While we're at it, lets close down phy ed classes in schools because get bloody noses during dodgeball on occasion.


A misleading headline?  On Fark?!  Oh, you!
 
2013-02-28 03:01:34 PM

Raoul Eaton: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

More likely is someone using bad judgment or simply spacing out (if those aren't the same thing) and leaving a gun where it is accessible to students.  Cops do that sometimes.  Parents seem to do it often.  If teachers can bring guns to school, it's just a matter of time.


People who are not properly trained, and required to maintain that training, often do.
Those who have been, and are religiously maintaining it, rarely do.
 
2013-02-28 03:02:01 PM
Firearms training class off school property?

Mechanical malfunction?

Infromed gun control modmins stirring the pot or not reading the article?
 
2013-02-28 03:03:40 PM

BunkoSquad: Carn: You know that there would be people who would respond to this by saying that all the children should be armed too, in order to protect themselves in just such a situation. They will do so without a hint of irony in their voices.

Some of them seriously recommended that husky 12-year-olds throw themselves at gunmen to stop school massacres. I'm shocked these people are able to get out of the house without walking repeatedly into the doorframe.


Well that's a new one.  "Sacrifice the chubby kids so that the rest may escape!"
 
2013-02-28 03:03:49 PM

Jim_Callahan: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.

Well, given that it's an instructor that assumably does this thousands of time in a given year, I'd give slightly more credence to it being an actual malfunction instead of negligence.


Read it again.
 
2013-02-28 03:04:29 PM
I am still thinking that a student brought a gun to class and the instructor was attempting to unload it. A single action revolver, where he didn't properly half cock the hammer could EASILY discharge if he was holding the hammer with his thumb, as could a semiautomatic if he didn't remove the magazine prior to cycling the action, and the extractor failed to grip the chambered round, a doublefeed COULD cause a primer strike.
 
2013-02-28 03:05:27 PM

curtis_e_bare: Adalius: Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."

Accidents happen at shooting ranges too, should we shut them all down and ban them all so the only people left with guns are untrained and prone to more accidents? While we're at it, lets close down phy ed classes in schools because get bloody noses during dodgeball on occasion.

No, of course not.  Don't be silly.  We should fill shooting ranges with children.


They would get VERY GOOD AT DODGEBALL.

/at least, the ones that were left...
 
2013-02-28 03:06:02 PM

Paul Baumer: Oh, and "a mechanical malfunction with his weapon caused his gun to misfire" sounds a hell of a lot like "the gun went off while I was cleaning it" which is universally interpreted as  "I was doing something stupid".


So much this. The odds of a modern gun just magically going off are similar to me getting to nail Kate Upton.
 
2013-02-28 03:06:38 PM

Giltric: Firearms training class off school property?

Mechanical malfunction?

Infromed gun control modmins stirring the pot or not reading the article?


Just wait until these guns ARE actually in the school. This type of thing can and will happen.

If you are going to have guns in schools to protect the kids don't half ass it. Get trained security guards. Not this stupid "EVERYONE IS RAMBO!!" bullsh*t. There will be far more deaths and injuries dues to accidents than lives saved when these policies are applied on a large scale.
 
2013-02-28 03:06:42 PM
Most likely scenario? "Hurr Durr I gots me a gun, I can teach others Hurr"
 
2013-02-28 03:08:40 PM
Somebody's got to up the entertainment value in school (I say that in all sarcasm)

Let me entertain you
Let me make you smile
Let me do a few tricks
Some old and then some new tricks
I'm very versatile
 
2013-02-28 03:09:38 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Mechanical malfunction"?
Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.


It's not guns that kill people... It's the malfunctioning pieces within the gun that kills people.
 
2013-02-28 03:10:09 PM

Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.


It's the price we pay for Freedumb.
 
2013-02-28 03:11:31 PM

MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.



Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.
 
2013-02-28 03:11:48 PM

Raoul Eaton: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

More likely is someone using bad judgment or simply spacing out (if those aren't the same thing) and leaving a gun where it is accessible to students.  Cops do that sometimes.  Parents seem to do it often.  If teachers can bring guns to school, it's just a matter of time.


That's my biggest concern with allowing guns in schools. Or, that a kid could forcibly take it from a teacher. I'm 5'6", and when I worked in an elementary school, there were 4th graders already taller than me. A 6-foot-something teenager with a chip on his shoulder? I'd be dead.
 
2013-02-28 03:13:01 PM
I'm all for arming teachers.

/after they receive the equivalant of a law enforcement firearm certification

//you wanna arm up like a cop? you gotta certify at cop level.

///not that that is really saying much...
 
2013-02-28 03:13:22 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: So how long until someone demands all the students start carrying?


It has already begun.
 
2013-02-28 03:13:53 PM

pudding7: Adalius: Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."

Accidents happen at shooting ranges too, should we shut them all down and ban them all so the only people left with guns are untrained and prone to more accidents? While we're at it, lets close down phy ed classes in schools because get bloody noses during dodgeball on occasion.

I'm confused.  Do we make kids aged 4-18 hang out at shooting ranges for 30 hours a week?


Not yet, but they're working on it.
 
2013-02-28 03:15:53 PM

I should be in the kitchen: Raoul Eaton: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

More likely is someone using bad judgment or simply spacing out (if those aren't the same thing) and leaving a gun where it is accessible to students.  Cops do that sometimes.  Parents seem to do it often.  If teachers can bring guns to school, it's just a matter of time.

That's my biggest concern with allowing guns in schools. Or, that a kid could forcibly take it from a teacher. I'm 5'6", and when I worked in an elementary school, there were 4th graders already taller than me. A 6-foot-something teenager with a chip on his shoulder? I'd be dead.



A majority (over 50%) of schools already have armed security officers in the school. It is the rural areas that do not have them where as the urban areas (NY, Balt., Det., Phil. etc) have their own police forces specifically for their school system.

Cops in NY have a 7% hit rate on their intended target in shootouts and a 17% hit rate on other cops and innocent bystanders.....rural areas have alot of people who hunt where if you don't hit your target with your first shot you don't eat.

I'd wager rural civillians carrying firearms in schools will be much safer than having cops carry guns.
 
2013-02-28 03:16:00 PM

here to help: And THIS is exactly why the "ARM THE TEACHING/MAINTENANCE STAFF!!!" is so freaking retarded!

These people are not cops. They are not soldiers. They are not trained security guards. They are average schlubs. Add to that even with trained personnel the more firearms that are around the more likely it is there will be an accidental discharge. Classrooms and school hallways have a high concentration of people in them at any given point in time. You have an accidental discharge in that type of environment it is very likely someone is going to get hurt.

The moral of the story is... your "solutions" are more problematic than anything, NRA/gun weirdos. You're gonna end up killing your own damned kids.

Obvious post is obvious... but apparently not enough because the whargarblers will STILL find a way to try and justify cramming the schools with guns.

Pathetic.


Obligatory

shiat happens man.  This firearm discharge was a "good" accident.  The injury was not serious, and that is a result of proper handling of the firearm.  The firearm was not pointed directly at anyone when the accidental discharge occured, in contrast with the trained officer in the video.  There is no moral to the story, but anti-Bill of Rights assholes will attempt to find one anyway.  They never stop.  They are like the vietcong - varmintcong.
 
2013-02-28 03:16:50 PM

Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.


Creating a situation where they're even more likely to get shot seems like a typically brain dead, conservative solution
 
2013-02-28 03:17:21 PM
fknra:

^This.  Certify them. Make it VOLUNTARY, and NOT a condition of employment.
 
2013-02-28 03:18:00 PM

fknra: I'm all for arming teachers.

/after they receive the equivalant of a law enforcement firearm certification

//you wanna arm up like a cop? you gotta certify at cop level.

///not that that is really saying much...


Not that that would even help.

Newly hired security officer leaves gun unattended in school bathroom

"The armed security guard at The Chatfield School in Lapeer, Michigan, was hired in response to the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School."

Well, what do you expect from some rent-a-cop who took a 'safety course'

"WNEM has identified the officer as Clark Arnold, a 32-year-veteran of the Lapeer County Sheriff's office. "

ohhh...
 
2013-02-28 03:18:14 PM
Guns don't shoot people blah blsh blah
 
2013-02-28 03:18:33 PM

MFAWG: Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.

Creating a situation where they're even more likely to get shot seems like a typically brain dead, conservative solution


Libertarian/Humanist. Sorry, you missed with your labeling.

/must be because you are a filthy swede
 
2013-02-28 03:19:34 PM

Yogimus: MFAWG: Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.

Creating a situation where they're even more likely to get shot seems like a typically brain dead, conservative solution

Libertarian/Humanist. Sorry, you missed with your labeling.

/must be because you are a filthy swede


Riiiiiiiggghhhttt.
 
2013-02-28 03:19:46 PM

Giltric: rural areas have alot of people who hunt where if you don't hit your target with your first shot you don't eat.


Umm, what century are you talking about?
 
2013-02-28 03:20:03 PM

duenor: Raoul Eaton: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

More likely is someone using bad judgment or simply spacing out (if those aren't the same thing) and leaving a gun where it is accessible to students.  Cops do that sometimes.  Parents seem to do it often.  If teachers can bring guns to school, it's just a matter of time.

People who are not properly trained, and required to maintain that training, often do.
Those who have been, and are religiously maintaining it, rarely do.


Trained professionals:
Link
Link
 
2013-02-28 03:23:19 PM
Gun nuts are hilariously oblivious.
 
2013-02-28 03:23:34 PM

Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.


A system that involves the gun show loophole, no license-required training, and disparate laws from state to state is not "trying it my way."
 
2013-02-28 03:25:35 PM
It is a simple concept.  Treat adults as adults, and children as children. Adults will be trusted with firearms, until they self identify themselves as morons, in which case they get to deal with the legal consequences of their actions.  There are no accidents.  I don't take YOUR things away because the guy down the street can't handle his responsibilities.

Children get toys taken away if the toys are dangerous.
 
2013-02-28 03:25:40 PM
This headline is a desperate stretch if I've ever seen one.

Teacher hurt by malfunction at a concealed course =/= teacher shooting herself during a class.
 
2013-02-28 03:25:48 PM
Yep, the main reason I'm anti-gun is because that most people are idiots. The only civilian I would trust to carry in public would be myself.
Also, I'm Canadian and that's just how we roll.
 
2013-02-28 03:27:00 PM

duenor: Raoul Eaton: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

More likely is someone using bad judgment or simply spacing out (if those aren't the same thing) and leaving a gun where it is accessible to students.  Cops do that sometimes.  Parents seem to do it often.  If teachers can bring guns to school, it's just a matter of time.

People who are not properly trained, and required to maintain that training, often do.
Those who have been, and are religiously maintaining it, rarely do.


Hilarious footage of an Atlanta police instructor  shooting himself while teaching a safety class.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0
 
2013-02-28 03:27:54 PM

Paul Baumer: Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.

A system that involves the gun show loophole, no license-required training, and disparate laws from state to state is not "trying it my way."


Describe this gun show loophole please.
 
2013-02-28 03:29:27 PM
Yep.  More liberal fear mongering bad reporting here.
 
2013-02-28 03:29:29 PM
This is what went through my mind when reading this:

I have never seen a teacher in a classroom who has been able to get the vcr to work with a television at the same time.

So this isn't terribly shocking to me.
 
2013-02-28 03:30:00 PM

Paul Baumer: Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.

A system that involves the gun show loophole, no license-required training, and disparate laws from state to state is not "trying it my way."


There is no gun show loophole.  It doesn't exist.  It's made up fiction. Private citizens are allowed to sell normally legal firearms to anyone they believe is legally able to own a firearm.  If they know that person to be unable to legally own the firearm, they are prohibited from selling it. All dealers must do a background check, regardless of whether or not they're in their store or at a gun show.

No license depends on the state and how one plans on using it.  Most states that allow for concealed carry require training and licensing.  Just owning?  Generally no training nor licensing.  Disparate laws from state to state.  Well, too bad.  That's the beauty of states' rights.  There are disparate laws for the speed limits, too.  Deal with it.

Also, this is basically a non-story.  The person was at the class getting training.  May have even been on the range (hence the reason the weapon was loaded).  I'm not sure on the mechanical malfunction, but it does seem to indicate that proper handling techniques may have been in use.  The weapon was pointed in what might've seemed like a safe direction, but ricocheted into the shooter.  It could be a mechanical malfunction, it could be a training issue (maybe squeezed a trigger they shouldn't have).  That's the biggest part of unsureness here.
 
2013-02-28 03:31:57 PM

Yogimus: Paul Baumer: Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.

A system that involves the gun show loophole, no license-required training, and disparate laws from state to state is not "trying it my way."

Describe this gun show loophole please.


http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/federal/gun_show.shtml
 
2013-02-28 03:32:14 PM
Just think about how dumb the average person is and realize that 50% of the population is dumber still. And we want them carrying in schools?
 
2013-02-28 03:33:19 PM

Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.


Yeah, definitely more likely.  I worked out the probabilities on this napkin.  Also it sounds better, manufactures more drama
 
2013-02-28 03:34:14 PM
Wow - when did "There is no gun show loophole!" become the latest "you said clip not magazine!"

Do you guys all subscribe to Modern Intellectual Dishonesty Monthly or something?
 
2013-02-28 03:35:18 PM
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boobies, seriously?
 
2013-02-28 03:35:37 PM
Here is my problem with the "gun show loophole" theory. It seeks to legislate private sales between private individuals.

  (i believe in making the background check available to anyone, not just firearms dealers. I just can't see a way to enforce mandating it)
 
2013-02-28 03:36:00 PM

Yogimus: Paul Baumer: Yogimus: MFAWG: Paul Baumer: One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness.  It's a shame we have to wait for that.

It's the price we pay for Freedumb.


Here is the thing: Kids have already been shot in schools when we tried it your way.

A system that involves the gun show loophole, no license-required training, and disparate laws from state to state is not "trying it my way."

Describe this gun show loophole please.


Disparate laws from state to state? It's almost as if our country is some kind of United States of something or something. Why even have separate states, right? That is so old fashioned and ignorant. shiat, why even have countries. Talk about inefficiency.
 
2013-02-28 03:36:26 PM

FatherChaos: Is there a "we saw this coming a mile away" category?


I knew we should have had a pool on who would get shot first: kid or teacher.
 
2013-02-28 03:36:40 PM
I'm a Texan, I'm pro gun.  But guns on teachers... Stupid.  So incredibly stupid.

Want guns in schools?  Hire more police for on campus.  That is all.
 
2013-02-28 03:36:41 PM
When will they close the 2nd amendment loophole?
 
2013-02-28 03:36:41 PM
 
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