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2013-03-01 02:30:25 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: AverageAmericanGuy: tinfoil-hat maggie: AverageAmericanGuy: tinfoil-hat maggie: AverageAmericanGuy: tinfoil-hat maggie: AverageAmericanGuy: You are a sick person get help.

Do you not like where the research you've quoted leads?

I think you presume too much, and your bias is showing.
Maybe you should have had a teenage lobotomy.

Stop looking up my bias, creep.
No need for the lobotomy. I never did have any teenage depression.

I don't believe you. Make your move

My move? Honey, I'm a lover, not a fighter.

I doubt that Ur so gay, and you don't even like boys
/Well I'm done playing with you ; )


It's been nice.
 
2013-03-01 02:37:26 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: ClockworkRingtail: Not reading all that hurtful garbage. Just chiming in to say that I don't like you all for rubbing your privilege into the faces of the most senselessly abused and exploited minority group in the world. That's farked up, you're all very small people.

Hugs, and yea I know and understand. I hate this thread so much except there were some really good people in it but yea I wish I hadn't read it.


I like you, I want to buy you a beer some day.
 
2013-03-01 02:41:22 AM  

starsrift: Dunno about the rest of you farkers, but I sure as hell didn't have a gender identity at that point in my life, one way or the other.


So you wouldn't have minded at all if asked to wear a pink dress and play with Barbies?
Interesting.
 
2013-03-01 02:46:12 AM  

ClockworkRingtail: tinfoil-hat maggie: ClockworkRingtail: Not reading all that hurtful garbage. Just chiming in to say that I don't like you all for rubbing your privilege into the faces of the most senselessly abused and exploited minority group in the world. That's farked up, you're all very small people.

Hugs, and yea I know and understand. I hate this thread so much except there were some really good people in it but yea I wish I hadn't read it.

I like you, I want to buy you a beer some day.


Cool, if I'm ever out that way. If you're near here I'll just ask what the hell ya doing over here ; )
/bama it is what it is.
 
2013-03-01 02:57:20 AM  
tinfoil-hat maggie:

Cool, if I'm ever out that way. If you're near here I'll just ask what the hell ya doing over here ; )
/bama it is what it is.


Really? Roll Tide, Maggie!

If you're ever in Memphis, shoot me an email and I'll buy you a drink.
 
2013-03-01 08:22:22 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Joe Blowme: ginandbacon: Joe Blowme: Biology is what makes you female, no matter how you FEEL about it.

You should really get up to speed with current gender research. You look incredibly ignorant and prejudiced.


You do realise the LITTLE BOY is 6 right? And you say i'm the ignorant one? Wow, please never have children.
You really need to get up to speed with reality.

You do realize LITTLE KIDS understand and place gender by the time they're three and four years old?  Why yes Virginia, you ARE the ignorant one.


You just dont get it so please, once again.... dont have kids.
 
2013-03-01 08:27:16 AM  

BronyMedic: There's nothing "deviate" medically or psychologically about these people


stevelutz.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-01 08:51:23 AM  

Chach: He's not a girl if he has male genitals.


Look Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome some time. And Kleinfelter's Syndrome. Oh and read up on clownfish some time.
 
2013-03-01 09:01:22 AM  

Joe Blowme: BronyMedic: There's nothing "deviate" medically or psychologically about these people

[stevelutz.files.wordpress.com image 330x282]


Well, that's nice you can use an image macro, but did you actually have an argument otherwise, or are you just continuing to post the same tripe about which haploid cell you happen to produce determining gender? Would you like to present your expert credentials to claim that a person is "deviate" because they differ from social norms? Because, I'm pretty sure that's a topic they teach in the first days of General Psych I.
 
2013-03-01 09:05:52 AM  
Nice to see how many people have no problem with potentially severely damaging a little boy's psyche and school life to help promote their dubious social agenda.
The important thing is that you don't have to feel odd or different.
 
2013-03-01 04:26:50 PM  

doubled99: Nice to see how many people have no problem with potentially severely damaging a little boy's psyche and school life to help promote their dubious social agenda.
The important thing is that you don't have to feel odd or different.


Oh my god, you're right. How blind were we all to the obvi-

Wait. Some of us actually read articles. You mean the state and federal passport that this kid has lists her as female? Oh, man. That's something that requires a court order, you know, from a judge?, And to get that, it requires the expert opinion of social workers, pediatricians, and pediatric psychologists/psychiatrists who would have recognized if this was a case of Mommy just wanting a girl.

But yeah. You keep railing against the "social justice" types. You seem to know what you're talking about.
 
gja
2013-03-01 06:17:00 PM  

BronyMedic: doubled99: Nice to see how many people have no problem with potentially severely damaging a little boy's psyche and school life to help promote their dubious social agenda.
The important thing is that you don't have to feel odd or different.

Oh my god, you're right. How blind were we all to the obvi-

Wait. Some of us actually read articles. You mean the state and federal passport that this kid has lists her as female? Oh, man. That's something that requires a court order, you know, from a judge?, And to get that, it requires the expert opinion of social workers, pediatricians, and pediatric psychologists/psychiatrists who would have recognized if this was a case of Mommy just wanting a girl.

But yeah. You keep railing against the "social justice" types. You seem to know what you're talking about.


I will leave every facet of this to you "experts" (derisive use intended, unless you have a PHD or MD title) save one point:
This child will almost surely suffer for having been placed in the public's eye.
Nothing anyone says here can refute this. When you are different many will treat you in ways not so very nice.
This is a fact of the real world. You cannot mandate people be nice, no matter that it would be the right way to behave, some will behave badly.
Those that are perceived as different are often singled out for unwanted attention.

The mother should have done everything in her power to help avoid the glare of the press and publicity.
Bad parent. She had to know this will almost certainly cause stress  to her child. And it will, sadly.
 
2013-03-01 06:24:54 PM  

gja: I will leave every facet of this to you "experts" (derisive use intended, unless you have a PHD or MD title) save one point:


Counterpoint to your "derisiveness": I haven't made an "expert" claim. I've presented the facts of the legal system as it exists currently to deal with transgendered individuals, the protocols which have been established for the treatment of the pediatric transgendered by the AAP and APA and other medical groups, and presented expert statements made by PHDs and MDs.

If you'd like to justify your stance by posting actual research, social work or psychological group position statements, or even someone with an advanced degree who has a blog of their own, be my guest. Don't personally insult people for calling you out over your indefensible position when the science doesn't support your sentiment.

gja: This child will almost surely suffer for having been placed in the public's eye.
Nothing anyone says here can refute this. When you are different many will treat you in ways not so very nice.


Ah. I get it. Blame the victim in the matter. Classy. That child has been "suffering" for two years, considering she's been publicly living as a girl for that long, because of intolerance and bigotry, mixed in with a healthy dose of "I don't know what the fark I'm talking about, but I hate them anyway."

gja: This is a fact of the real world. You cannot mandate people be nice, no matter that it would be the right way to behave, some will behave badly.
Those that are perceived as different are often singled out for unwanted attention.


Yes, and that's why our system is designed to protect people like this little girl here.

gja: The mother should have done everything in her power to help avoid the glare of the press and publicity.
Bad parent. She had to know this will almost certainly cause stress  to her child. And it will, sadly.


So the child's mother should have just let the school dog on and discriminate against her child, and not said anything about it or took action in any way, right? 

It's the same argument as Ii only those black people had just not sat at the stools, and wanted to use OUR water fountains. Just look at what Rosa Parks did. Now everyone's going to make them suffer because of it. It's the same thing as "How dare those gay people go to court to get married". Bunch of attention whores, they are.
 
gja
2013-03-01 07:59:10 PM  

BronyMedic: gja: I will leave every facet of this to you "experts" (derisive use intended, unless you have a PHD or MD title) save one point:

Counterpoint to your "derisiveness": I haven't made an "expert" claim. I've presented the facts of the legal system as it exists currently to deal with transgendered individuals, the protocols which have been established for the treatment of the pediatric transgendered by the AAP and APA and other medical groups, and presented expert statements made by PHDs and MDs.

If you'd like to justify your stance by posting actual research, social work or psychological group position statements, or even someone with an advanced degree who has a blog of their own, be my guest. Don't personally insult people for calling you out over your indefensible position when the science doesn't support your sentiment.

gja: This child will almost surely suffer for having been placed in the public's eye.
Nothing anyone says here can refute this. When you are different many will treat you in ways not so very nice.

Ah. I get it. Blame the victim in the matter. Classy. That child has been "suffering" for two years, considering she's been publicly living as a girl for that long, because of intolerance and bigotry, mixed in with a healthy dose of "I don't know what the fark I'm talking about, but I hate them anyway."

gja: This is a fact of the real world. You cannot mandate people be nice, no matter that it would be the right way to behave, some will behave badly.
Those that are perceived as different are often singled out for unwanted attention.

Yes, and that's why our system is designed to protect people like this little girl here.

gja: The mother should have done everything in her power to help avoid the glare of the press and publicity.
Bad parent. She had to know this will almost certainly cause stress  to her child. And it will, sadly.

So the child's mother should have just let the school dog on and discriminate against her child, and not said anything ab ...


You are being a jackass. Your analogies are poor and off the mark. This is a child. There is a massive difference between an adult whose years have given them the needed skills and experience to deal with adversity such as this.

You should know better.
You are a professional troll here. I am coming to see that now. You like pulling each sentence apart for effect.
I did not blame the victim. The victim is the child. The parents job in life is to protect the child. She failed do do that here.

I did not say "the child's mother should have just let the school dog on and discriminate against her child, and not said anything ab ... " YOU did that.
I said: "The mother should have done everything in her power to help avoid the glare of the press and publicity."
She should have kept this within a courtroom or hearing, closed, and records sealed so that it would not become a public circus, as it now has.

I was a 'different' kid growing up, I know when my parents made a stink about things I was stressed over it more because of the stares and glares than the issue itself at times.
 
2013-03-01 08:14:18 PM  

gja: You are being a jackass. Your analogies are poor and off the mark. This is a child. There is a massive difference between an adult whose years have given them the needed skills and experience to deal with adversity such as this.


No. You're being a bigot. An ignorant bigot at that. I'm sorry you feel that it's being a "jackass" to call you out on it, but what will be will be.

If you want an explanation for above:

You're a bigot because you're justifying an irrational belief that goes against what is known about the development of gender roles in a child, and what is known about the biological and physiological factors involved in transgenderism.

You're a wilfully ignorant one because you keep making arguments about children not being able to understand sex roles and gender identification in a manner that anyone who's taken a freshmen Developmental Psychology or Childhood Development class could identify is flawed (Hint: Children begin to express and identify with gender norms and social ideas of gender at the age of two.)

And sex roles have nothing to do with sexual activity or fetishes/paraphilias. The two concepts are completely seperate.

I fear for the day you find out that children as early as 18 months masturbate.

In addition, you - like MANY OTHERS - in this thread demonstrate a distinct lack of ability to even RTFA before you comment on your righteous indignation. This child is listed as a girl on her State ID, as well as Federal Passport. You cannot do that without a court order mandating the gender on your birth certificate be changed. In addition, if this child is transitioning and living as a female, she's doing so while being followed by numerous child psychologists, psychiatrists, and pediatricians involved in her doing this. The claim that this is just because mom wants a girl is flawed, and steeped in a complete ignorance of what being "transgendered" actually means. It's not as simple as "Sweetie, mommy wanted a girl, and bah golly, that's what yer' gonna be. Here, put on this dress." Even adult Transgendered individuals face almost a decade, on average, to transition fully in the United States. They also do so far less successfully than people identified and treated as children because they have already gone through puberty.

gja: You are a professional troll here. I am coming to see that now. You like pulling each sentence apart for effect.


I'm a troll? Really? I suppose you can go that route when I point out your arguments are based as much in fact as a fear of alien abduction or demonic posession. In reality, I'm not trolling you in the least because I do so. I'm pointing out how aggregiously stupid you're acting. And how frankly offensive it is.

And I'm pulling each sentance apart because I'm dissecting your argument.

gja: I did not blame the victim. The victim is the child. The parents job in life is to protect the child. She failed do do that here.


Why? Because she filed a discrimination suit in court because her child was being discriminated against?

According to that logic, she should just shut the kid up in a room and keep her at home the rest of her life, because she might cause "unwanted attention".

gja: I did not say "the child's mother should have just let the school dog on and discriminate against her child, and not said anything ab ... " YOU did that.
I said: "The mother should have done everything in her power to help avoid the glare of the press and publicity."
She should have kept this within a courtroom or hearing, closed, and records sealed so that it would not become a public circus, as it now has.

I was a 'different' kid growing up, I know when my parents made a stink about things I was stressed over it more because of the stares and glares than the issue itself at times.


If that's what you wanted to say, you should have said it. Not made veiled personal insults and refused to believe research and basic facts directly contrary to your opinion on the matter and then mixed it in a way that would have lead someone to conclude that.
 
2013-03-01 08:16:44 PM  
I love it. I'm a troll because I point out you're wrong, and why, after you decide to insult me.

FARK never ceases to amaze me.
 
2013-03-01 09:23:10 PM  

BronyMedic: I love it. I'm a troll because I point out you're wrong, and why, after you decide to insult me.

FARK never ceases to amaze me.


You are are a "troll" you're using facts and such : )
hahhahahahah, oh my ...

Oh and you should be a psychologist, you got him to open up to the root causes of his problem.
 
2013-03-01 09:28:46 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: BronyMedic: I love it. I'm a troll because I point out you're wrong, and why, after you decide to insult me.

FARK never ceases to amaze me.

You are are a "troll" you're using facts and such : )
hahhahahahah, oh my ...

Oh and you should be a psychologist, you got him to open up to the root causes of his problem.


gja occasionally has some good points. I can't really hate him/her, but I can call that person out when I think he/she is wrong. This is one of those cases.

It just shocks me the amount of people who think a parent can march down to the local records and just write in a new sex on a birth certificate or social security record because they "want a girl". Or that it's the explanation they automatically offer up as the reason for why this girl would want to be a girl, even though she was born a boy.
 
2013-03-01 09:47:57 PM  

BronyMedic: tinfoil-hat maggie: BronyMedic: I love it. I'm a troll because I point out you're wrong, and why, after you decide to insult me.

FARK never ceases to amaze me.

You are are a "troll" you're using facts and such : )
hahhahahahah, oh my ...

Oh and you should be a psychologist, you got him to open up to the root causes of his problem.

gja occasionally has some good points. I can't really hate him/her, but I can call that person out when I think he/she is wrong. This is one of those cases.

It just shocks me the amount of people who think a parent can march down to the local records and just write in a new sex on a birth certificate or social security record because they "want a girl". Or that it's the explanation they automatically offer up as the reason for why this girl would want to be a girl, even though she was born a boy.


Yea the hatred of the mom is incredible and so is the belief that a 6 year old would go along with it if it wasn't the right thing. I didn't see the article about the documentation until late in the thread but yea they don't hand those out like fortune cookie and the school wouldn't have allowed the child's attendance without letters from mental health professionals.

I'm just glad this kids hopefully going to have a good shot at a normal life at least she would have if the school hadn't gone retarded. Although that'll change hopefully.
 
2013-03-01 11:21:26 PM  

orbister: sudo give me more cowbell: So then this is a chick?

And this?

[farm2.static.flickr.com image 334x500]

(If you're going to do a GIS on "Buck Angel" at work, make sure that safe search is on. You have been warned.)


Does it have two X chromosomes or X/Y?
 
2013-03-01 11:28:56 PM  

Thunderpipes: When I was 3 or 4, I told my parents I was a shark, and went around biting stuff. If only they had agreed and let me fully transform!!!

Instead they told me I was a boy. Those bastards!!

This is so stupid it is beyond belief. The fact this is even in debate at all is why we completely fail as a country, and younger generations suck. Bad, bad parents. Yes, they should drill it into the kid he is not a girl. When it is older, maybe then have a talk with it and lay out options. Tell it it can have the wang removed and be whatever it wants. I am sorry, but you can send kids to jail for picking on it all you want, but it will have a really hard time growing up and the damage will be permanent.


I identify as an 80-year old black man, so I'm getting a Social Security check and a scholarship from the United Negro College Fund, so I'm getting kick...
 
gja
2013-03-01 11:32:55 PM  
tinfoil-hat maggie:
Oh and you should be a psychologist, you got him to open up to the root causes of his problem.
Problems? Because I have strong opinions and feelings? That's mighty judgmental and exceedingly insulting.
I would posit part of the "problem" with the mindset of those who think this child's situation was handled reasonably is that those people think the "in your face until you see it my way' tactic is acceptable in a civil society. No...that's not civilized. And if you want nice back, you need to give nice first.

Old proverb: What you give is what you get.

"Yea the hatred of the mom is incredible and so is the belief that a 6 year old would go along with it if it wasn't the right thing. I didn't see the article about the documentation until late ........"

--Non-sequitor to my problem with the mother. Or how this situation was mishandled in general. This child is too young to deal with the emotional crap that is sure to ensue. Because the press loves stuff like this, and will take great glee in shoving cameras and microphone in their faces.

"I'm just glad this kids hopefully going to have a good shot at a normal life at least she would have if the school hadn't gone retarded. Although that'll change hopefully."
--Pro-tip: Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen. You will turn cyanotic and bits and pieces will fall off you first. This child will have a difficult childhood, I am fairly sure of that. Kids need to be allowed to be kids. Just look at the many famous people whose childhood were ruined by the glare of public life.
 

BronyMedic: it just shocks me the amount of people who think a parent can march down to the local records and just write in a new sex on a birth certificate or social security record because.."

Did anyone actually assert that? I don't think anyone is dense enough to think the government is going to make it that easy when even changing your name requires more forms than a mortgage application for FFS.
 
gja
2013-03-01 11:44:20 PM  

BronyMedic: gja occasionally has some good points. I can't really hate him/her,


I am a him.
 
2013-03-02 12:21:52 AM  

gja: I would posit part of the "problem" with the mindset of those who think this child's situation was handled reasonably is that those people think the "in your face until you see it my way' tactic is acceptable in a civil society. No...that's not civilized. And if you want nice back, you need to give nice first.


iambrony.steeph.tp-radio.de

The only people who have exhibited that mindset throughout this thread have been people who want to villify this little girl, or her mother. In reality, nothing was "in your face" until the school took the step of banning a transgendered individual from using the bathroom of her legal sex.

Being civilized does not include being tolerant of indefensible excuses and attitudes, including those that are blatently discriminatory. Unlike you, however, I didn't accuse you of trolling.

 

gja: This child is too young to deal with the emotional crap that is sure to ensue. Because the press loves stuff like this, and will take great glee in shoving cameras and microphone in their faces.


This child has been dealing with emotional crap and ridicule from people around her for the last two years she's been legally living as a female. She doesn't need you pretending to white knight her in the name of being "normal" to avoid that. And no amount of bullying or ridicule that she recieves will change the way she feel about herself, her body, or who she is.

That's something you don't seem to understand. She doesn't need bigotry and faux "conformity" under the guise of a social justice crusade. And she doesn't need someone lying to her because she's "just a child" that if she just acts like a normal little boy, all her problems will go away. The fact of the matter is you have, repeatedly through this thread's last two pages, voiced your ire that her mother wouldn't hide her away from the public at large, and shelter her because she might be ridiculed or in the public spotlight for speaking out against discrimination.

gja: --Pro-tip: Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen. You will turn cyanotic and bits and pieces will fall off you first. This child will have a difficult childhood, I am fairly sure of that. Kids need to be allowed to be kids.


You do realize that argument has been used to excuse all kinds of horrific behavior by "precious little snowflakes", right? All you are doing, once again, is blaming the victim. If you can't even see that, you have a problem far beyond your ire for this little girl's situation.

Those teen boys didn't need to be charged with rape, they were just doing what boys do.
It's okay if a gay kid gets bullied, kids will be kids.
Oh, he commited suicide? Eh, kids will be kids.

So forth. Hatred and bigotry are learned through modeling and teaching from the adults in their lives. Black kids don't come out of the womb hating white kids, and vice versa. What's ironic is that from reading all of the articles I can find on the subject, I don't see one that asserts that this little girl has been bullied or has made anyone else in her class feel uncomfortable

gja: Did anyone actually assert that? I don't think anyone is dense enough to think the government is going to make it that easy when even changing your name requires more forms than a mortgage application for FFS.


If it hasn't been overtly asserted in the past 500 something pages, it's been covertly asserted by every person who has posted blaming the mother for what this little girl has gone through. 500 pages of everyone stating that the kid should be taken away by DCS (which is awesome , by the way, because transgendered, gay, and lesbian kids in DCS custody have disproportionately high rates of abuse, rape and sexual assault, and homicide), to that the mother "just wanted a little girl so she's convinced this kid to act the way "he" does.".

The stupidity in this thread has rivaled that of a FARK political thread on the sequestration.
 
2013-03-02 01:34:25 AM  

gja: I would posit part of the "problem" with the mindset of those who think this child's situation was handled reasonably is that those people think the "in your face until you see it my way' tactic is acceptable in a civil society. No...that's not civilized. And if you want nice back, you need to give nice first.


So more flies with honey predictable :(
 
2013-03-02 01:44:44 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: TheDumbBlonde: orbister: TheDumbBlonde: Status Update: Losing ground

In what sense do you believe that the the structure of the brain - the physical structure of the brain - is not an aspect of physical development?

Ok. Let's address this. I was adressing the premise stated above that specifically brain development was the cause of gender identity, and that that development was seperate and distinct from physical development, ie., body parts. I took this to believe that the chemicals that "teach' the brain they are male or female do so differently from teaching the brain to develop body parts. Enlighten me, but let's leave out the chromo abs.

Well, I'll post it again too you.
Sexual differentiation of the human brain in relation to gender identity

From the link:
Once the differentiation of the sexual organs into male or female is settled, the next thing that is differentiated is the brain, under the influence, mainly, of sex hormones on the developing brain cells. The changes (permanent) brought about in this stage have organizing effects; later, during puberty, the brain circuits that developed in the womb are activated by sex hormones. This paradigm of sexual differentiation of the brain has been well established, ever since the first paper by Phoenix et al. (2).

The early development of boys shows two periods during which testosterone levels are known to be high. The first surge occurs during mid-pregnancy: testosterone levels peak in the fetal serum between weeks 12 and 18 of pregnancy (18) and in weeks 34-41 of pregnancy the testosterone levels of boys are ten times higher than those of girls (19). The second surge takes place in the first three months after birth. At the end of pregnancy, when the alpha-fetoprotein level declines, the fetus is more exposed to estrogens from the placenta, this exposure inhibiting the hypothalamus-hypophysial-gonadal axis of the developing child. Loss of this inhibition once the child is born causes a peak in testosterone ...


Interesting. The child in question is a triplet. Pretty good chance he was born before week 34.
 
2013-03-02 02:14:10 AM  

octopied: Interesting. The child in question is a triplet. Pretty good chance he was born before week 34.


It's possible, not really seeing what you're getting at.
 
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