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2013-02-28 12:21:08 PM

Lollipop165: I mean, why not just use the regular stalls? Is it a speed thing?


We throw cigarette buts in there and play sink the bismark
 
2013-02-28 12:22:09 PM

atomicmask: In my house we typically shut the door and lock it when its occupied.



WTH happens at your house that you need to LOCK the door?  Don't people there just respect a closed bathroom door?
 
2013-02-28 12:23:12 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: It takes more effort to biatch about how put out you feel by being asked to use pronouns you might not be used to using for a person than it does to simply use the damn pronouns.

You look less ignorant in the end, as well.


So we should quit using words as they are actually defined and instead use them as other people want them to be used (sometimes being the exact opposite of the correct definition)?

Let me try it.

You're "smart".
 
2013-02-28 12:23:40 PM

JohnnyC: if your physical body is male then you're male,


Wrong.

He can never give birth, his body will never produce the same hormones, he will never have a menstruation cycle, and will never go through menopause. He very well may go through life wanting to experience life as a female, but he never really will.

And wrong again. My uterus is not what makes me female. It make me menstruate. Don't equate the two things. There are plenty of women who have had hysterectomies and their ovaries removed who are still women.

You should do some research and put some thought into this before spouting off.
 
2013-02-28 12:25:21 PM

ginandbacon: JohnnyC: if your physical body is male then you're male,

Wrong.

He can never give birth, his body will never produce the same hormones, he will never have a menstruation cycle, and will never go through menopause. He very well may go through life wanting to experience life as a female, but he never really will.

And wrong again. My uterus is not what makes me female. It make me menstruate. Don't equate the two things. There are plenty of women who have had hysterectomies and their ovaries removed who are still women.

You should do some research and put some thought into this before spouting off.


Well, your uterus certainly rules out you being a man.
 
2013-02-28 12:26:24 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: The first-grader, Coy Mathis, was born male but identifies as female


And here I was thinking that surgery was required for someone to be transgender.


No. Surgery is required to be transsexual. Gender is a mental/social construct.
 
2013-02-28 12:28:10 PM

JohnnyC: The way I see it, right now the kid is pretending to be a girl. For me it is very simple, if your physical body is male then you're male, if your physical body is female, then it is female.


Often, "the way I see it" turns out to be wrong. In this case it is. Gender identity and sex are different. It's definitely easy to hang on to outdated concepts like boy = has penis, but beliefs must change as discoveries are made and research is done.

It was once easy to believe that 200,000km/sec + 200,000km/sec = 400,000km/sec, until Einstein came along and showed it not to be true.
 
2013-02-28 12:28:34 PM
Wow. Such mental gymnastics just so a small minority won't feel odd or different.
 
2013-02-28 12:29:14 PM
The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things - "J.T. LeRoy"

Extremely strange book. I have no idea why this article made me think of it immediately.
 
2013-02-28 12:29:32 PM

Thunderpipes: Hope the parents realize, he will get his ass kicked more by a bully, bullied more by a bully, teased more by a bully

 as a boy-chick than just a boy who is weird.

Then we should probably have a talk with that bully then, huh? It's not like this ass-kicking, bullying, teasing was done by a ghost.
 
2013-02-28 12:37:32 PM
this is what happens when you let the kids decide
HE is trying to fit in with HIS sisters
sure he can sit and pee but if you can write your name with it you are a guy
 
2013-02-28 12:37:45 PM

ginandbacon: JohnnyC: if your physical body is male then you're male,

Wrong.

He can never give birth, his body will never produce the same hormones, he will never have a menstruation cycle, and will never go through menopause. He very well may go through life wanting to experience life as a female, but he never really will.

And wrong again. My uterus is not what makes me female. It make me menstruate. Don't equate the two things. There are plenty of women who have had hysterectomies and their ovaries removed who are still women.

You should do some research and put some thought into this before spouting off.



Biology is what makes you female, no matter how you FEEL about it.
 
2013-02-28 12:37:56 PM
In my meaningless opinion, a 6 yo is not capable of comprehending the choice to change gender. That kid is going to have a very confusing next few decades.
 
2013-02-28 12:38:16 PM
A child, at the age of 6, is whatever the hell mommy and daddy decide.
 
2013-02-28 12:40:40 PM

Jument: In my meaningless opinion, a 6 yo is not capable of comprehending the choice to change gender. That kid is going to have a very confusing next few decades.


Then if he commits suicide later, they will blame everyone but the real culprits.... the parents
 
2013-02-28 12:43:08 PM

Joe Blowme: Biology is what makes you female, no matter how you FEEL about it.


You should really get up to speed with current gender research. You look incredibly ignorant and prejudiced.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-28 12:44:53 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: gja: So, you think 6 year of age is adequate for a person to decide such matters as gender?

Six is well past adequate, seeing as how kids form ideas about gender (as well as assigning those ideas) by the ages of 3-4.


That is YOUR opinion and you are free and entitled to have, hold and espouse it. But that does not make it a universally accepted truth.
I stand by my statement that 6 is, generally, too you for a mature for that person to fully comprehend all the ramifications associated with life-choices of this magnitude and  scope.

Also, stop using one sentence as a single-point of focus for your retorts, that is an attempt to take things out of context and everyone can see that upon reading my full post.
 
2013-02-28 12:46:21 PM
What is wrong with these farking parents?? The kid is six farking years old! Why haven't they gotten her an operation to fix her birth defect yet? They need to whack that thing off so that she can lead a normal life, as God intended. I'm sure ,later on in life, she'll thank them for fixing the problem before she had time to fully understand it.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-28 12:46:22 PM

gja: The My Little Pony Killer: gja: So, you think 6 year of age is adequate for a person to decide such matters as gender?

Six is well past adequate, seeing as how kids form ideas about gender (as well as assigning those ideas) by the ages of 3-4.

That is YOUR opinion and you are free and entitled to have, hold and espouse it. But that does not make it a universally accepted truth.
I stand by my statement that 6 is, generally, too you young for a mature for that person to fully comprehend all the ramifications associated with life-choices of this magnitude and  scope.

Also, stop using one sentence as a single-point of focus for your retorts, that is an attempt to take things out of context and everyone can see that upon reading my full post.

FTFM
 
2013-02-28 12:47:50 PM

gja: That is YOUR opinion and you are free and entitled to have, hold and espouse it. But that does not make it a universally accepted truth.
I stand by my statement that 6 is, generally, too you for a mature for that person to fully comprehend all the ramifications associated with life-choices of this magnitude and  scope.


People "stand by" all sorts of rubbish. There are people who "stand by" the "fact" that the earth is 6000 years old, or that it sits atop a giant turtle. What does the research say?

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Issac Asimov
 
2013-02-28 12:48:09 PM

stiletto_the_wise: but beliefs must change as discoveries are made and research is done.


Wait... what discoveries? What research? Gender identity is a subjective personal choice on how one thinks of oneself. Not how society or others perceive them. And yes, sex is different. That kid is a male, therefor I refer to him as a male.

He and him refer to a male (sex). She and her refer to a female (sex). There is no reason to modify the english language to have he and him or she and her be attributed to gender identity as opposed to sex. They are pronouns which refer to the gender, not gender identity (a psychological phrase), of an animal (including humans).
 
2013-02-28 12:50:15 PM

ginandbacon: Joe Blowme: Biology is what makes you female, no matter how you FEEL about it.

You should really get up to speed with current gender research. You look incredibly ignorant and prejudiced.



You do realise the LITTLE BOY is 6 right? And you say i'm the ignorant one? Wow, please never have children.
You really need to get up to speed with reality.
 
2013-02-28 12:50:45 PM

ginandbacon: Joe Blowme: Biology is what makes you female, no matter how you FEEL about it.

You should really get up to speed with current gender research. You look incredibly ignorant and prejudiced.


I love it. Someone, anyone disagrees with your premises and they get called stupid and bigoted. You're going to change a lot of minds with that particular methodology.
 
2013-02-28 12:51:00 PM
Biology is what makes you female, no matter how you FEEL about it.

You should really get up to speed with current gender research. You look incredibly ignorant and prejudiced.


Do some more research yourself and don't just  cherry-pick whatever new study fits your already pre-conceived notions.  The  research on this issue has always been very prone to political correctness and social agenda.  It's also been incredibly flawed going back to the seventies, when it first became fashionable to posit that gender was taught by society instead of biological.
 
2013-02-28 12:54:50 PM

JohnnyC: He and him refer to a male (sex). She and her refer to a female (sex). There is no reason to modify the english language to have he and him or she and her be attributed to gender identity as opposed to sex. They are pronouns which refer to the gender, not gender identity (a psychological phrase), of an animal (including humans).


What are you talking about? We even change the values of the universe's  physical constants as more precise measurements are taken. Surely it's not a stretch that we be might redefine abstract concepts like "boy" and "girl" as we zero in on what exactly it is to be masculine or feminine.
 
2013-02-28 12:55:08 PM
I'm trying to understand..."Gender" is not an obvious physical trait, but it IS genetic and you are born with it (otherwise, a 3-6 year old could not "know" it).  The external manifestations of gender are apparently your desires and associated behaviors (how you want to dress, what you want to play with, etc.).  Putting these two things together, then, I can only conclude that gender-appropriate dress, toys, actions, etc. are all genetically determined.

But I've been also told in no uncertain terms, by many of the same women telling me the facts about what constitutes a transgendered person, that the last statement above is sexist nonsense.

My brain hurts.
 
2013-02-28 12:55:53 PM

Joe Blowme: ginandbacon: Joe Blowme: Biology is what makes you female, no matter how you FEEL about it.

You should really get up to speed with current gender research. You look incredibly ignorant and prejudiced.


You do realise the LITTLE BOY is 6 right? And you say i'm the ignorant one? Wow, please never have children.
You really need to get up to speed with reality.


That little girl is about  2-4 years past the age when children understand and can express gender. No one is talking about sexuality here. It's gender. She identifies as female. Her brain sends her signals that she is female. Her body doesn't match up to her identification. If you don't get this insanely simple concept, then yes. You are ignorant.
 
2013-02-28 12:56:08 PM

doubled99: Do some more research yourself and don't just  cherry-pick whatever new study fits your already pre-conceived notions.  The  research on this issue has always been very prone to political correctness and social agenda.  It's also been incredibly flawed going back to the seventies, when it first became fashionable to posit that gender was taught by society instead of biological.


And there it is: "The research is flawed because it was corrupted by the liberals!"
 
2013-02-28 12:57:13 PM
ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2013-02-28 12:59:43 PM

Theaetetus: The_Sponge: Theaetetus: FTFY, since, as you'll note, he agreed that there doesn't need to be a specific room for men and a different room for women, but just a room with a door.


ORLY?  Because there needs to be separate bathrooms if they are used by more than one person at time.....you know.....LIKE THEY HAVE AT SCHOOLS.

[blogs.scientificamerican.com image 400x300]
Hey, look! Separate little rooms that can be used by more than one person at a time.....you know.....LIKE THEY HAVE AT SCHOOLS.


I'm in my late 40's so things may have changed but not one school I went to K-12 had doors on the stalls if they had stalls at all.

I think it's a bit early to treat this kid as a transgendered IMHO
 
2013-02-28 01:00:55 PM

sudo give me more cowbell: Joe Blowme: Theaetetus: quietwalker: As the comic notes, this kid is going to get bullied.

This may be a suggestion completely out of left field, but how about we try stopping the bully, rather than forcing the victim to conform?

Consider, rather than using the passive voice "the kid is going to get bullied," we could use the active voice "the bully will harass the kid," which focuses on the real problem - the actor.

How ever you want to phrase it, it will still happen.

/real world, how does it work?
//Right or wrong life aint fair or perfect
///bullies usuall have bully parents so let go after them as well.

Gingers get beat up in England all the time. So that means that a responsible parent would dye their kid's hair black, right?


If you have a kid who's getting beaten up because they're different, you may want to consider doing what's required to get your kid to conform, if your ONLY goal is to avoid confrontation.  I suspect that may have an impact on the child's self-worth, but since that's doesn't factor into your thought process above, you would disregard it, right, even though it makes you an awful person?

Does my straw man hold up as well as yours?
 
Kids will tend to pick on anyone who is obviously different.  The ones that don't may not have any logical reason why not - it could be something as irrelevant as liking the brand of shoes they wear.  They are not mature enough to make rational non-judgmental decisions (and indeed, neither are many adults), and so bullying in one form or another - even if it's just passive isolation - is going to happen.  This starts to change sometime around the age of 8-10, when the child gains the ability to role-take, when they can begin to consider what it's like to be another person.  This gives them a personal ethical/moral scale to judge against, but it's still affected by their past and current experiences and associations.

As far as bullying goes, you can prevent some level of physical violence, and even things like name calling or verbal threats, but you cannot outright remove it.  You certainly can't force bullies to ignore or befriend the victim either.  Kids are too immature to make rational decisions at this level, and some folks never grow to the point where they can.  Phrase it however you like, or correctly point at the instigators instead of the victims, or even point out the valid fact that it's unfair to make the victims change themselves to avoid abuse, but it'll happen anyway.  It sucks, but perhaps if you've read this, you've learned a little more about the practical impact of the term 'immature'.
 
2013-02-28 01:02:55 PM
Do some more research yourself and don't just  cherry-pick whatever new study fits your already pre-conceived notions.  The  research on this issue has always been very prone to political correctness and social agenda.  It's also been incredibly flawed going back to the seventies, when it first became fashionable to posit that gender was taught by society instead of biological.

And there it is: "The research is flawed because it was corrupted by the liberals!"


brilliant!
Anyway, for those not mentally challenged, the most landmark study of this kind involved a male raise as a female. It was called a success and hailed by many as "proof" that gender was a societal construct.
In fact, no actual "study" has refuted this.
It was refuted by the the actual subject, who, after years of confusion, anger and a suicide attempt, changed his identity back to male, married a woman, and continues to live this way.
 
2013-02-28 01:03:01 PM
This kid is going to end up making a women suit out of real women.
 
2013-02-28 01:04:40 PM

Lollipop165: Why DO men's bathrooms have urinals?

I mean, why not just use the regular stalls? Is it a speed thing?


Probably more of a sanitary/cleanliness thing--too many guys pee all over the toilet seats and stuff
 
2013-02-28 01:06:13 PM

ginandbacon: Joe Blowme: ginandbacon: Joe Blowme: Biology is what makes you female, no matter how you FEEL about it.

You should really get up to speed with current gender research. You look incredibly ignorant and prejudiced.


You do realise the LITTLE BOY is 6 right? And you say i'm the ignorant one? Wow, please never have children.
You really need to get up to speed with reality.

That little girl is about  2-4 years past the age when children understand and can express gender. No one is talking about sexuality here. It's gender. She identifies as female. Her brain sends her signals that she is female. Her body doesn't match up to her identification. If you don't get this insanely simple concept, then yes. You are ignorant.


So you can read his mind? No you are guessing he has complete understanding according to your THEORY. HE IS A 6 YEAR OLD! If you dont get this insanely simple concept of reality, then you are ignorant and should never be allowed to raise a child.
 
2013-02-28 01:08:01 PM

orbister: FTFA: It said the district's decision "took into account not only Coy but other students in the building, their parents, and the future impact a boy with male genitals using a girls' bathroom would have as Coy grew older."

Two issues here. First of all, she's a girl with male genitals, not a boy with male genitals. Secondly, who the hell is going to see them in the girls toilet? Do they check flaps before landing?


"HE" is f farking "BOY" with male genitals. You may can shiat in a taco shell and call it a cheese burrito, but it is still shiat in a taco shell to any SANE person and they aren't eating your shiat. Holy farking cow, how stupid have we become to even utter such nonsense?
 
2013-02-28 01:08:31 PM

Theaetetus: Thunderpipes: Hope the parents realize, he will get his ass kicked more by a bully, bullied more by a bully, teased more by a bully as a boy-chick than just a boy who is weird.

Then we should probably have a talk with that bully then, huh? It's not like this ass-kicking, bullying, teasing was done by a ghost.


Bullies exist to make kids stronger. All animals do it. There is a pecking order in life. You either man up, or you get my french fries. Animals don't like weirdness, and will kick weirdos out to protect their gene pool. Just because we can make iPhones doesn't mean we need to pretend being weird is cool. Let the kid deal with it and move on. When it is 18, it can decide if it wants its johnson removed.

At this rate, in 100 years, every single person on Earth will be retarded and transgendered.
 
2013-02-28 01:09:10 PM
I have no problem at all with a transgendered child, my main curiosity is with society's insistence on single gender bathrooms. It seems rather wasteful.
 
2013-02-28 01:09:43 PM

Thunderpipes: Theaetetus: Thunderpipes: Hope the parents realize, he will get his ass kicked more by a bully, bullied more by a bully, teased more by a bully as a boy-chick than just a boy who is weird.

Then we should probably have a talk with that bully then, huh? It's not like this ass-kicking, bullying, teasing was done by a ghost.

Bullies exist to make kids stronger. All animals do it. There is a pecking order in life. You either man up, or you get my french fries. Animals don't like weirdness, and will kick weirdos out to protect their gene pool. Just because we can make iPhones doesn't mean we need to pretend being weird is cool. Let the kid deal with it and move on. When it is 18, it can decide if it wants its johnson removed.

At this rate, in 100 years, every single person on Earth will be retarded and transgendered.


Oh, you I like.
 
2013-02-28 01:11:23 PM
The parents of that kid should have their parental rights stripped...
They are clearly warping that child's mind.
If my REAL daughter informed me some boy was using her restroom at school under the guise of being a girl, "deep-down inside"...
I'd scream at th school until they threw that thing out of her bathroom or I'd move her to a private school that didn't allow ridiculous shiat like this dumb ass farkin topic.
fark THIS shiat!
 
2013-02-28 01:13:32 PM

Slartibartfaster: I have no problem at all with a transgendered child, my main curiosity is with society's insistence on single gender bathrooms. It seems rather wasteful.


I do. In a correct society the parents would be tried for child abuse for encouraging the child. It is probably their perverse encouragement that brought the child to this condition.
 
2013-02-28 01:13:58 PM

stiletto_the_wise: JohnnyC: He and him refer to a male (sex). She and her refer to a female (sex). There is no reason to modify the english language to have he and him or she and her be attributed to gender identity as opposed to sex. They are pronouns which refer to the gender, not gender identity (a psychological phrase), of an animal (including humans).

What are you talking about? We even change the values of the universe's  physical constants as more precise measurements are taken. Surely it's not a stretch that we be might redefine abstract concepts like "boy" and "girl" as we zero in on what exactly it is to be masculine or feminine.


I'm talking about your attempt to redefine words to mean something other than what they mean. He and she are not abstract concepts, they are pronouns. They refer to the sex of an animal (including humans). He refers to a male. She refers to a female. This is not a slight to anyone. He is a male. That's all there is to it. He may like dressing in female clothes and likes to be treated like a female, but that does not make him female.

See... I'm talking about physical gender (biology), you're trying to convolute that into "gender identity" which is a psychological term to describe how someone "thinks". You're talking about a subjective thing and I'm talking about a physical thing. I realize that you think that gender = gender identity, but it does not.

Boy (noun): a male child or young man.
Girl (noun): A female child or young woman.
He (pronoun): Used to refer to a man, boy, or male animal
She (pronoun): Used to refer to a woman, girl, or female animal

Words... they mean things.
 
xcv
2013-02-28 01:15:03 PM

Eidola: Just because you think you didn't have a gender identity at a young age doesn't mean you didn't actually have one. Most people don't actually have to think about the gender they are, it matches their sex.

For those of us with mis-matched gender and sex, believe me, we know, from a very young age.

Personally, I learned how to be enough of a guy so that I stopped being picked on and beaten up. My father tried to "man me up" in many ways... now I am working on undoing that training, and it is not an easy task.


Sounds like your father sounds had a glimmer of the right idea but the wrong approach, I doubt he was professional about it. One of the world's leading experts on transgenderism has successfully treated hundreds of young boys that believe they are girls.

It's great that the parents are aware of their son's issues,  6 years old is an ideal age to address the matter, but a lot depends on the parents being positive influences, not fathers trying to get their sons to 'man up'  through bullying or attention seekers like the parents in the article.
 
2013-02-28 01:15:09 PM
Again, the story of Jazz.

Most transgender children still live in the shadows, hiding from a world that sees them as freaks of nature. Rejected by their families, many grow up hating their bodies, and fall victim to high rates of depression, drug abuse, violence and suicide....

... On the surface, the Jennings and their four children are a typical American family. But their youngest child, Jazz, is only in kindergarten, and already she is one of the youngest known cases of an early transition from male to female.

"We'll say things like, 'You're special. God made you special.' Because there aren't very many little girls out there that have a penis," said Renee.

"Renee and I are in 100 percent agreement as to how we should raise Jazz," said Scott. "We don't encourage, we support. And we just keep listening to what she tells us."

From the moment he could speak, Jazz made it clear he wanted to wear a dress. At only 15 months, he would unsnap his onesies to make it look like a dress. When his parents praised Jazz as a "good boy," he would correct them, saying he was a good girl.

The Jennings wanted to believe it would pass. Scott said he "was in a bit of denial" about what Jazz was trying to tell them. After all, even their rowdy twin boys, who are two years older than Jazz, had painted their nails growing up. But Jazz kept gravitating to girl things, insisting that his penis was a mistake.

When Jazz was two, he asked his mother a question that left her numb and frozen. "[He] said, 'Mommy, when's the good fairy going to come with her magic wand and change, you know, my genitalia?" according to Renee....

... "We check in with her all the time," Renee said. "I tell her, I say, 'Jazz, if you ever feel like you want to dress like a boy again, cut your hair, you just let me know.' And she goes, 'Mommy, why would I want to do that?'"

While Jazz's parents now fully accept their son as their daughter, the transition has not been without considerable doubt and stress. Many parents grieve for the child that never was. "I mourn the loss of the idea of my son," Renee said. "I see pictures and the video, and that child's gone. But there's a wonderful person now that's with us."


And a follow up.

This child's parents had to deal with the fact that their little boy kept telling them that he was actually a girl. They did nothing wrong, and would have been very happy if this had only been a phase. She is growing into a young woman now, and her conviction that she is female has only gotten stronger. I suppose if this child had been parented by some of the people in this thread, they would have beaten this nonsense right out of her. It's very sad to contemplate the fate of children like this who have parents incapable of understanding what their child is going through.
 
2013-02-28 01:18:47 PM

JohnnyC: I find this whole story to be strange. At what point did the little boy decide to dress and act like a little girl? Was this a choice the boy made or his parents made? Seems like something one would decide later in life after said person had finished developing (physically and mentally).


Here's a thought:  Rather than talking about how things SEEM to you, how about you spend five minutes before speaking to find out how they ACTUALLY ARE.  Then you'll sound smarter.
 
2013-02-28 01:20:52 PM
We are all different. I knew at an incredibly early age that I only wanted to eat ice cream.
Don't put your antiquated notions of "diet" on me. That's just ignorant
 
2013-02-28 01:21:44 PM

ciberido: JohnnyC: I find this whole story to be strange. At what point did the little boy decide to dress and act like a little girl? Was this a choice the boy made or his parents made? Seems like something one would decide later in life after said person had finished developing (physically and mentally).

Here's a thought:  Rather than talking about how things SEEM to you, how about you spend five minutes before speaking to find out how they ACTUALLY ARE.  Then you'll sound smarter.


Because it's easier to "believe your gut" than to read a book.
 
2013-02-28 01:26:01 PM

stiletto_the_wise: JohnnyC:
Boy (noun): a male child or young man.
Girl (noun): A female child or young woman.
He (pronoun): Used to refer to a man, boy, or male animal
She (pronoun): Used to refer to a woman, girl, or female animal

Words... they mean things.

They do not mean what you think they mean.


They mean exactly what JohnnyC thinks they mean no matter how much you want them to mean something completely different.
 
2013-02-28 01:26:44 PM
You know,

It's kind of sad to watch a huge group of people collectively arguing for some outdated belief, convinced that they're right, yet slowly...slowly...realizing that they aren't right... as they grow older and die off. My parents' generation watched it happen with my grandparents' (racism, fear of communists), My generation is watching it happen with my parents' generation (homophobia). I'm sure my kids' generation will watch my generation cling to some silly belief that we have even after it becomes outdated.
 
2013-02-28 01:27:51 PM

Terrydatroll: I do.


good for you Mr/Ms Troll
 
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