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2013-02-28 11:34:29 AM

loaba: orbister: ha-ha-guy: //seriously though, there is no way the kid has a full enough understanding of gender roles

It's not a matter of choosing a role. It's a matter of knowing who you are.


At 6, he chooses to be whatever his parents encourage him to be. 'Cause he's farking 6 already.


It's funny how tenaciously, even desperately, people cling to old-fashioned notions of sex and gender no matter what the science actually says.  It's like Young-Earth creationists building museums to show Jesus riding a dinosaur.
 
2013-02-28 11:34:33 AM

Theaetetus: quietwalker: As the comic notes, this kid is going to get bullied.

This may be a suggestion completely out of left field, but how about we try stopping the bully, rather than forcing the victim to conform?

Consider, rather than using the passive voice "the kid is going to get bullied," we could use the active voice "the bully will harass the kid," which focuses on the real problem - the actor.


How ever you want to phrase it, it will still happen.

/real world, how does it work?
//Right or wrong life aint fair or perfect
///bullies usuall have bully parents so let go after them as well.
 
2013-02-28 11:34:58 AM

ginandbacon: This isn't a little boy. She is a little girl who happened to be born into a body with the wrong appendages.


Just seems that prior to puberty, deciding that one will act/dress/portray one's gender as the opposite of what it really is, is a really bad idea. Seems more nurture than nature to me at this point.
 
PJ-
2013-02-28 11:36:16 AM
Any guy in this thread that is saying shared washrooms are a good thing are straight up insane.  Have you not noticed lineups for the female washrooms, pretty much anywhere?  They ALWAYS have a line, and the line moves slow as all HELL.  While the male washroom usually doesn't have a line, but if it's between periods/innings/halftime, there will be a line, but it moves quite fast.  That's exactly what I want, one big washroom that has a HUGE line that moves slow as all hell.
 
2013-02-28 11:37:30 AM

orbister: he's a boy with a neurological disorder, not a girl with male genitals


FTFY
 
2013-02-28 11:37:59 AM
This boy's parents should be whipped and the school should offer a "Chicks With Dicks" restroom option.
 
2013-02-28 11:38:21 AM

ciberido: loaba: orbister: ha-ha-guy: //seriously though, there is no way the kid has a full enough understanding of gender roles

It's not a matter of choosing a role. It's a matter of knowing who you are.


At 6, he chooses to be whatever his parents encourage him to be. 'Cause he's farking 6 already.

It's funny how tenaciously, even desperately, people cling to old-fashioned notions of sex and gender no matter what the science actually says.  It's like Young-Earth creationists building museums to show Jesus riding a dinosaur.


Know how i know you have no kids?

/and should never
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-28 11:39:23 AM

ciberido: Mager: Wow, since a six year old is fundamentally incapable of understanding gender roles, how farked up does Mom have to be in this situation. I guess she really wanted a daughter.

*points and laughs at the stupid person*



Using 'stupid' does nothing to bolster your standing or opinion.

So, you think 6 year of age is adequate for a person to decide such matters as gender?
Even with the realization that it can be a defining choice with ramifications that can alter that persons entire life?
I would posit that 6 is a bit immature for such an issue to be concretely and permanently settled, and that by rushing the choice shows the people sanctioning such an early life-stage choice with such massive possible repercussions shows a lack of wisdom, maturity and sensitivity to the issue at hand.
 
2013-02-28 11:39:24 AM
dready zim: Elementary schools don't usually have urinals in the restrooms.
 
2013-02-28 11:39:49 AM

PJ-: Any guy in this thread that is saying shared washrooms are a good thing are straight up insane.  Have you not noticed lineups for the female washrooms, pretty much anywhere?  They ALWAYS have a line, and the line moves slow as all HELL.  While the male washroom usually doesn't have a line, but if it's between periods/innings/halftime, there will be a line, but it moves quite fast.  That's exactly what I want, one big washroom that has a HUGE line that moves slow as all hell.


Well all the men will use the urinals and the women will be in the stalls to piss. How about a separate place for men to just shiat? It will remove a bad thing from the place men and women piss and the queue speed will not affect men shiatting or pissing?

Also the men with shame about their small dicks will piss where everyone shiats which is just funny.
 
2013-02-28 11:40:53 AM

Earpj: dready zim: Elementary schools don't usually have urinals in the restrooms.


Every school I have ever been to has had urinals, even when I was six.
 
2013-02-28 11:41:06 AM

ciberido: It's funny how tenaciously, even desperately, people cling to old-fashioned notions of sex and gender no matter what the science actually says.  It's like Young-Earth creationists building museums to show Jesus riding a dinosaur.


You want your boy-child to wear a dress? Okay; here's how you do it. Make dresses available to him and actively encourage him to wear them. Watch as he does what makes you happy.

It's just that simple. By the age of 6, he'll sure think he's a girl.
 
2013-02-28 11:41:17 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: hey call those boys, from where I was raised.


StrangeQ: So she's a boy.  Boy's restroom it is.


GanjSmokr: Does it have a penis or a vagina?

That's really the only question that needs to be asked here.

I don't care what you (or your mom) thinks you are, nature has actually given you a pretty big clue as to what you actually are if you just look down.



Came to the thread to watch the uh, "slow ones" that don't understand the difference between sex and gender, leaving---pretty disturbed by all the bigotry and ignorance. Seriously, people, go read something.


atomicmask: How about I don't want my child seeing ANY Penis' that age unless they own one, period. I do not care what little snowflake thinks it is or is not, the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex.



And, atomicmask wins the thread's creepy "Overly Focused On Other Children's Sex Organs" award.
 
2013-02-28 11:41:55 AM

PJ-: Any guy in this thread that is saying shared washrooms are a good thing are straight up insane.  Have you not noticed lineups for the female washrooms, pretty much anywhere?  They ALWAYS have a line, and the line moves slow as all HELL.  While the male washroom usually doesn't have a line, but if it's between periods/innings/halftime, there will be a line, but it moves quite fast.  That's exactly what I want, one big washroom that has a HUGE line that moves slow as all hell.



CSB:

Years ago, I was at this tequila bar in Seattle, and I was the only guy using the men's room.  As I was washing my hands, this drunk chick flings the door open and says:

"I have to pee, the women's room is packed, and I'm using this bathroom, and I don't care!"

It was amusing as hell that her big declaration only had an audience of one.....me.  So I smirked and walked out.  Of course, if I had burst into the women's room at a bar, somebody might have called the cops.
 
2013-02-28 11:42:10 AM
dready zim:
Every school I have ever been to has had urinals, even when I was six.

Weird. None of ours have.
 
2013-02-28 11:42:35 AM
Was there ever a time when people just farked in private?

Like......regular, straight people farking or leather whips and chains farking.....doesn't matter.....but did people ever just not farking talk about it publicly? Did they go about their lives not sharing intimate details with complete strangers?

Because that would be awesome if we, as a society, embraced that.

We should also stop being dicks to gays and tranny's, and dark skinned people, and people who wear religious clothing that looks silly to us.

//They may say I'm a dreamer.
///But I'm not the only one.
 
2013-02-28 11:42:54 AM

dready zim: PJ-: Any guy in this thread that is saying shared washrooms are a good thing are straight up insane.  Have you not noticed lineups for the female washrooms, pretty much anywhere?  They ALWAYS have a line, and the line moves slow as all HELL.  While the male washroom usually doesn't have a line, but if it's between periods/innings/halftime, there will be a line, but it moves quite fast.  That's exactly what I want, one big washroom that has a HUGE line that moves slow as all hell.

Well all the men will use the urinals and the women will be in the stalls to piss. How about a separate place for men to just shiat? It will remove a bad thing from the place men and women piss and the queue speed will not affect men shiatting or pissing?

Also the men with shame about their small dicks will piss where everyone shiats which is just funny.


Could always just still have it one big room with a bunch of stalls and then a line of urinals because honestly, most guys wouldn't give two shiats if a woman was staring at them while they were pissing, and most women wouldn't care to in the first place.
 
PJ-
2013-02-28 11:43:49 AM

dready zim: PJ-: Any guy in this thread that is saying shared washrooms are a good thing are straight up insane.  Have you not noticed lineups for the female washrooms, pretty much anywhere?  They ALWAYS have a line, and the line moves slow as all HELL.  While the male washroom usually doesn't have a line, but if it's between periods/innings/halftime, there will be a line, but it moves quite fast.  That's exactly what I want, one big washroom that has a HUGE line that moves slow as all hell.

Well all the men will use the urinals and the women will be in the stalls to piss. How about a separate place for men to just shiat? It will remove a bad thing from the place men and women piss and the queue speed will not affect men shiatting or pissing?

Also the men with shame about their small dicks will piss where everyone shiats which is just funny.


Then women start buying that piss adapter that allows them to piss at urinals?  What then huh?  Before you know it, women will be voting, being the CEO of high profile companies or elected to be Prime Minister of South Korea!

*shudder*
 
2013-02-28 11:46:00 AM

Earpj: dready zim:
Every school I have ever been to has had urinals, even when I was six.

Weird. None of ours have.


Do they have indoor plumbing?

My wife has worked at six elementary schools in three states, all had urinals.
 
2013-02-28 11:47:16 AM
I don't know what the right answer is.

I do know that when I was six, I really liked playing doctor with girls, and I really had no interest in having other boys around while I was playing doctor.

I know we never pushed boy or girl toys on our daughter.  She did gravitate towards traditional girls' toys at a very young age (2 maybe?).

I know this kid is going to have a hard time growing up, especially in school.  Kids are assholes.

I think the mother's heart is in the right place, but she comes across as goofy as a football bat.  The school is probably trying to "do the right thing", but it seems that there is a natural law that states anything a school system does must be done as ham fisted as possible.

The amount of passion this brings out in farkers is interesting.

I have added nothing of value to this thread, so I'm feeling pretty good about myself right now.
 
2013-02-28 11:50:40 AM
Children learn all about gender and assign roles to one another (and themselves, and their toys) by the age of 3-4.  Stop acting as though a six-year-old wouldn't know jack shiat about the whole thing.
 
2013-02-28 11:52:12 AM
Hope the parents realize, he will get his ass kicked more, bullied more, teased more as a boy-chick than just a boy who is weird.
 
2013-02-28 11:53:02 AM

sudo give me more cowbell: This is a completely unrelated example though.
Rheimer never showed any psychological signs of being female. He was born male, his body was male, and his mind was male, he just had an accident. The fact that it was impossible for him to live as a girl is evidence in support of the idea that gender is ingrained, and that the people who exhibit signs of being trans at an early age cannot live in their genetic-gender.


Which was the point I was making... He was born with a peener, but having it cut off at 6 months or so, would have no memory of having had one. So he looked like a girl, was dressed like a girl, generally treated like a girl and none of it took.  This story's kid has one, so she looked like a boy, would have been generally treated like a boy and none of it took there either...  Gender is ingrained, and nearly always matches the physical parts, but not always.
 
2013-02-28 11:53:42 AM

JohnnyC: the opposite of what it really is


This is a statement you need to rethink and rephrase. She experiences life as a girl. Her body doesn't reflect that. Which is reality? Her feelings or the fact that she has a penis? This is a very serious question. Do you honestly think that her genitalia are more important than her own identity?
 
2013-02-28 11:53:58 AM
Why DO men's bathrooms have urinals?

I mean, why not just use the regular stalls? Is it a speed thing?

The_Sponge: PJ-: Any guy in this thread that is saying shared washrooms are a good thing are straight up insane.  Have you not noticed lineups for the female washrooms, pretty much anywhere?  They ALWAYS have a line, and the line moves slow as all HELL.  While the male washroom usually doesn't have a line, but if it's between periods/innings/halftime, there will be a line, but it moves quite fast.  That's exactly what I want, one big washroom that has a HUGE line that moves slow as all hell.


CSB:

Years ago, I was at this tequila bar in Seattle, and I was the only guy using the men's room.  As I was washing my hands, this drunk chick flings the door open and says:

"I have to pee, the women's room is packed, and I'm using this bathroom, and I don't care!"

It was amusing as hell that her big declaration only had an audience of one.....me.  So I smirked and walked out.  Of course, if I had burst into the women's room at a bar, somebody might have called the cops.


I always do that, particularly at bars and clubs. The only people who seem to care are the other women waiting in line in front of me who think its a travesty that I refuse to wait on the women's line. Even if I walk in and guys are already at the urinal, they don't seem to care either.
 
2013-02-28 11:54:06 AM
*family meeting at the PC house commune*

`Coy, I understand your school isn't allowing you to use the girl's room.'

`It's not a big deal, Mom. They'll letting me use a single-seater unisex one.'

`Now Coy - this is a cop-out and an insult to your gender-identity. And don't call me "Mom" - it stigmatizes our relationship!'

`Fine, Moonflower. Can I untuck my junk now? My balls are killing me.'

`No. You made the decision to identify as female and signed the declaration papers.'

`Nuts.'
 
2013-02-28 11:54:47 AM

Joe Blowme: Theaetetus: quietwalker: As the comic notes, this kid is going to get bullied.

This may be a suggestion completely out of left field, but how about we try stopping the bully, rather than forcing the victim to conform?

Consider, rather than using the passive voice "the kid is going to get bullied," we could use the active voice "the bully will harass the kid," which focuses on the real problem - the actor.

How ever you want to phrase it, it will still happen.

/real world, how does it work?
//Right or wrong life aint fair or perfect
///bullies usuall have bully parents so let go after them as well.


Gingers get beat up in England all the time. So that means that a responsible parent would dye their kid's hair black, right?
 
2013-02-28 11:55:02 AM

thenumber5: I have no issue with transsexuals

but this really becoming a tyranny of the minority situation

Use the wrong pronoun and your nailed to the cross, try to draw lines based on simple biological systems, nailed to the cross

how about, can you pee standing up, go in this room. If not, you go to this room.....


You have no issues, you claim right before the rest of your post, which lists off the issues you claim you don't have with transgendered people.

How about attempting a shred of respect for the wishes of people around you?
 
2013-02-28 11:55:23 AM

stiletto_the_wise: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: hey call those boys, from where I was raised.

StrangeQ: So she's a boy.  Boy's restroom it is.

GanjSmokr: Does it have a penis or a vagina?

That's really the only question that needs to be asked here.

I don't care what you (or your mom) thinks you are, nature has actually given you a pretty big clue as to what you actually are if you just look down.


Came to the thread to watch the uh, "slow ones" that don't understand the difference between sex and gender, leaving---pretty disturbed by all the bigotry and ignorance. Seriously, people, go read something.


atomicmask: How about I don't want my child seeing ANY Penis' that age unless they own one, period. I do not care what little snowflake thinks it is or is not, the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex.


And, atomicmask wins the thread's creepy "Overly Focused On Other Children's Sex Organs" award.


Screw it.  You've changed my mind.  I'm going to start using whatever restroom I feel like.  It really doesn't matter that I have a penis, right?  Apparently that's not how we tell male/female apart anymore.  If anyone feels I'm in the wrong restroom, I'll refer them to your post here and tell them they're just being "slow".
 
2013-02-28 11:56:16 AM

tjsands1118: call me ignorant, but I didn't think one could have a sexual idenity


You're ignorant.  This has nothing to do with sexual identity.  Sex and gender are not the same thing.  Kids figure out gender at the ages of 3-4.
 
2013-02-28 11:58:15 AM

octopied: Remember when you were 5, 6?

Did you play "Show me yours, I'll show you mine"?


No, I was never molested as a child.
 
2013-02-28 12:00:16 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: thenumber5: I have no issue with transsexuals

but this really becoming a tyranny of the minority situation

Use the wrong pronoun and your nailed to the cross, try to draw lines based on simple biological systems, nailed to the cross

how about, can you pee standing up, go in this room. If not, you go to this room.....

You have no issues, you claim right before the rest of your post, which lists off the issues you claim you don't have with transgendered people.

How about attempting a shred of respect for the wishes of people around you?


no i have a Issue with a small minority of the community who cant handle people who dont even know them not showing them 100% suport of there life choices

I have transgender friend's, i grew up in a GLBT friendly household

I learned early in my life you cant expect every person in the world to respect or understand you, but only you can allow there views to hurt you
 
2013-02-28 12:00:16 PM

starsrift: Dafuq? Six, and transgendered - really?

Dunno about the rest of you farkers, but I sure as hell didn't have a gender identity at that point in my life, one way or the other.


Yes you did, you developed it around the ages of 3-4.  Don't you remember the types of toys you enjoyed playing with and the clothes you liked wearing?  All part of your gender identity, don't you know.
 
2013-02-28 12:01:19 PM
Put the kid in a dress...no problem.  Spank the kid for doing something bad...OMG - child abuse, time for the state to grab the kid and put them some where great.....like a place to be abused and used for state funds.
 
2013-02-28 12:01:58 PM

sudo give me more cowbell: orbister: Saying "if you feel like being a boy you can use the boys' toilets with all the other boys and if you feel like being a girl you can use the special gender neutral toilets along with the other sick freaks" is not keeping things neutral; it's heavily weighing the scales in one direction.

yeah... true.
I dunno, I guess I kinda feel like there should be a bit of an "activation barrier" so to speak. i.e. They should tell the kid that they love and accept them no matter what their gender, but in a way I kinda think that at that point they should be tipping the scales towards cisgender, and seeing if the child's certainty is strong and enduring.

Then again, who is it really harming if a 6 year old uses the girls bathroom -they've got private stalls and it's not like (s)he's a pedophile, so yeah, why not let them use the girls room.


Not a pedophile? I thought here in America if two six year olds played doctor we arrested them for mutual molestation and registered them as sex offenders/burned them at the stake. Or does that only kick in during high school with all the iPhone child pornographers and "rapists" I read about?

/talking about teenage statutory
//not rape rape
///rape
 
2013-02-28 12:02:59 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: octopied: Remember when you were 5, 6?

Did you play "Show me yours, I'll show you mine"?

No, I was never molested as a child.


pre-teen exploration/curiosity =/= Molestation
 
2013-02-28 12:03:21 PM

GanjSmokr: Screw it.  You've changed my mind.  I'm going to start using whatever restroom I feel like.  It really doesn't matter that I have a penis, right?  Apparently that's not how we tell male/female apart anymore.  If anyone feels I'm in the wrong restroom, I'll refer them to your post here and tell them they're just being "slow".


To me, it's fine to segregate a school bathroom by "potty parts" rather than by gender. Just let's not confuse the two.
 
2013-02-28 12:03:53 PM
Assuming that this little kid is naturally transgender (and not the result of some weird maternal indoctrination), then I at least understand why he might not be comfortable using the boy's room. However, I don't think the solution is to make ALL the girls uncomfortable by having a boy using their restroom. Because the kid is biologically a boy, whether he likes it or not. Therefore, he needs to deal with his situation rather than having everyone else suffer for it. Sucks for the boy, but life isn't always easy.
 
2013-02-28 12:04:34 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Children learn all about gender and assign roles to one another (and themselves, and their toys) by the age of 3-4.  Stop acting as though a six-year-old wouldn't know jack shiat about the whole thing.


They learn that their peers (boys and girls) act and dress and generally behave in certain, different, ways. They don't even understand it, but they know it.
 
2013-02-28 12:05:15 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: starsrift: Dafuq? Six, and transgendered - really?

Dunno about the rest of you farkers, but I sure as hell didn't have a gender identity at that point in my life, one way or the other.

Yes you did, you developed it around the ages of 3-4.  Don't you remember the types of toys you enjoyed playing with and the clothes you liked wearing?  All part of your gender identity, don't you know.


Hmm, so playing with a doll, or wearing a dress makes you a chick?

That is a cultural thing you know. Other cultures dress different, doesn't make their dudes into pole goblins.

If a 16 year old young man can't make his own decisions about anything because he is a minor, allowing a 6 year old to magically turn in to a girl should be just as condemned. He is a boy.
 
2013-02-28 12:10:52 PM
Just because you think you didn't have a gender identity at a young age doesn't mean you didn't actually have one. Most people don't actually have to think about the gender they are, it matches their sex.

For those of us with mis-matched gender and sex, believe me, we know, from a very young age.

Personally, I learned how to be enough of a guy so that I stopped being picked on and beaten up. My father tried to "man me up" in many ways... now I am working on undoing that training, and it is not an easy task.
 
2013-02-28 12:11:21 PM
Mom, need to be put in a pit and stoned untin dead, dead, dead,,,thats farkin bullshyt, doin that to a kid. A child don't know what it wants until you give it to him/her
 
2013-02-28 12:11:35 PM

gja: So, you think 6 year of age is adequate for a person to decide such matters as gender?


Six is well past adequate, seeing as how kids form ideas about gender (as well as assigning those ideas) by the ages of 3-4.
 
2013-02-28 12:12:15 PM

thenumber5: The My Little Pony Killer: thenumber5: I have no issue with transsexuals

but this really becoming a tyranny of the minority situation

Use the wrong pronoun and your nailed to the cross, try to draw lines based on simple biological systems, nailed to the cross

how about, can you pee standing up, go in this room. If not, you go to this room.....

You have no issues, you claim right before the rest of your post, which lists off the issues you claim you don't have with transgendered people.

How about attempting a shred of respect for the wishes of people around you?

no i have a Issue with a small minority of the community who cant handle people who dont even know them not showing them 100% suport of there life choices

I have transgender friend's, i grew up in a GLBT friendly household

I learned early in my life you cant expect every person in the world to respect or understand you, but only you can allow there views to hurt you


So you have black friends.  Good for you.

How hard is it for you to show them respect?  Seriously?

And why does it then become their problem that you refuse to be respectful of them?
 
2013-02-28 12:14:01 PM

loaba: The My Little Pony Killer: Children learn all about gender and assign roles to one another (and themselves, and their toys) by the age of 3-4.  Stop acting as though a six-year-old wouldn't know jack shiat about the whole thing.

They learn that their peers (boys and girls) act and dress and generally behave in certain, different, ways. They don't even understand it, but they know it.


They themselves also act and dress generally in those certain, different ways, and they recognize that.  They aren't merely observers until some magical arbitrary age.
 
2013-02-28 12:14:03 PM

CarloSkippy: cheyanne9:you are heading in the right direction, future rest rooms will be unisex and all individual rooms

Parents went to Europe in the late 1970s.  One place, they found a restroom labeled men and women.  It led to all individual stalls.  After doing their business, they found themselves in the same restroom washing hands next to each other.  It was one facility with two doors.


There was a bathroom like that in a nightclub in South Korea.  "Unisex" but with stalls designated for male and female.  Seemed kinda pointless to me.  Either go all the way unisex or have separate bathrooms, I would think.
 
2013-02-28 12:14:25 PM

ginandbacon: JohnnyC: the opposite of what it really is

This is a statement you need to rethink and rephrase. She experiences life as a girl. Her body doesn't reflect that. Which is reality? Her feelings or the fact that she has a penis? This is a very serious question. Do you honestly think that her genitalia are more important than her own identity?


The way I see it, right now the kid is pretending to be a girl. For me it is very simple, if your physical body is male then you're male, if your physical body is female, then it is female. Male = he, female = she. After this kid grows up, he has the option to undergo surgery to have his physical body modified to be female if he chooses. But as it stands, he is still a "he". He may choose to present himself as a female and may even think of himself as a female, but that doesn't make it reality. He is a male... His sexuality is something that he will determine later in life as well. But as long as he has male genitalia, he is male. Wishing or pretending does not make it otherwise.

Also, I don't think he experiences life as a female. I think he wants to experience life as a female. He is never going to fully experience life as a female even if he gets a surgical sex change. He can never give birth, his body will never produce the same hormones, he will never have a menstruation cycle, and will never go through menopause. He very well may go through life wanting to experience life as a female, but he never really will.

And don't get me wrong. If that is how he chooses to portray himself and how he chooses to be perceived, that is up to him. There isn't anything wrong with that choice... it is a hard road and one that most of society will likely not identify with (because most people identify as the gender they are), but it is his choice to make (even if I think he is too young to be making those kinds of choices). That does not mean, however, that I must refer to him as a female. He may pretend all he likes, but I am not required to pretend along with him.
 
2013-02-28 12:15:37 PM
It takes more effort to biatch about how put out you feel by being asked to use pronouns you might not be used to using for a person than it does to simply use the damn pronouns.

You look less ignorant in the end, as well.
 
2013-02-28 12:16:32 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: gja: So, you think 6 year of age is adequate for a person to decide such matters as gender?

Six is well past adequate, seeing as how kids form ideas about gender (as well as assigning those ideas) by the ages of 3-4.


Well what do ya know - we've been doing it wrong this whole time. Give the world over to the children as they obviously know what's best for themselves.
 
2013-02-28 12:21:04 PM
The My Little Pony Killer:They themselves also act and dress generally in those certain, different ways, and they recognize that.  They aren't merely observers until some magical arbitrary age.

Oh sure, they observe and even want to do some of the things they see. My 9-yr old absolutely loved to tuck his napkin in his short and hold out his knife and fork in both fists. His eyes bulged and everything, right out of a cartoon. Both my wife and I put an end to that shiate with a quickness.

Same thing would have happened when he was 3-4 and wanting to wear a dress. We'd say no, go find a clean pair of pants.
 
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