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2013-02-28 10:38:13 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: The first-grader, Coy Mathis, was born male but identifies as female


And here I was thinking that surgery was required for someone to be transgender.


That's transsexual. Gender is in your head, sex is between your legs.
 
2013-02-28 10:38:16 AM  

sno man: There is a story of a kid (I think) from Saskatchewan that had a botched circumcision back in the late 60's. Bad enough that they weren't able to save what was left and the decision was made that the kid would surgically become a girl, and simply raised that way. So from about 6 months or so the kid was a girl. Around the time the kid was 5 (he) tore off his dress, destroyed all his dolls and stole his brothers toy cars. He was pretty messed up and eventually took his own life. My point was just because you look like a thing doesn't make you that thing. And kids know, they may not have enough experience or context to express it all that well, but they know.


This is a completely unrelated example though.
Rheimer never showed any psychological signs of being female.  He was born male, his body was male, and his mind was male, he just had an accident. The fact that it was impossible for him to live as a girl is evidence in support of the idea that gender is ingrained, and that the people who exhibit signs of being trans at an early age cannot live in their genetic-gender.
 
2013-02-28 10:38:21 AM  

Calehedron: Theaetetus: loaba: Theaetetus: I don't see why it's an issue. Just get rid of the group pissing trough in the boy's bathroom and let everyone use a toilet stall with a door. Frankly, it'd be more sanitary anyway, and then it wouldn't matter what parts you have.

What the hell bass-ackwards school did you go to? Wall urinals, man. They're, like, typical and stuff.

And they're also unsanitary and lack privacy. What's wrong with stalls?

Unsanitary?  Are you eating off of it?  You are pissing into it, no touching involved with most new auto flushers.  You sit on a toilet, maybe use the paper ass gaskets.

As for privacy, most have small partitions to keep meat gazers to a minimum.  Stall doors and locks have been handled post wipe but pre-wash.


you are heading in the right direction, future rest rooms will be unisex and all individual rooms
 
2013-02-28 10:38:35 AM  

atomicmask: the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex


Your stalls musta had some holes in the wall
 
2013-02-28 10:38:43 AM  
Dafuq? Six, and transgendered - really?

Dunno about the rest of you farkers, but I sure as hell didn't have a gender identity at that point in my life, one way or the other.
 
2013-02-28 10:38:56 AM  

sno man: ha-ha-guy: Transgendered at six?  What did the parents catch the kid playing dressup in his sister's clothes one day and just go full retard or something?  Seems way to early to make the call on the kid and more like creepy parents grooming the kid to be a transgender or something that ends up on an extra farked up episode of Law and Order.

/also considering the kid has access to gender neutral facilities, not seeing the problem
//seriously though, there is no way the kid has a full enough understanding of gender roles and all that at 6 to make a decision
/I think thought girls were gross and had cooties back then, yet I grew out of that

There is a story of a kid (I think) from Saskatchewan that had a botched circumcision back in the late 60's.  Bad enough that they weren't able to save what was left and the decision was made that the kid would surgically become a girl, and simply raised that way.  So from about 6 months or so the kid was a girl.  Around the time the kid was 5 (he) tore off his dress, destroyed all his dolls and stole his brothers toy cars. He was pretty messed up and eventually took his own life.  My point was just because you look like a thing doesn't make you that thing.  And kids know, they may not have enough experience or context to express it all that well, but they know.


He also got subjected to what amounts to abuse by the doctor concerned, on a regular basis. He did not have a "normal" girl's life. So it is hard to draw firm conclusions just from that one case, although it is sad.
 
2013-02-28 10:39:29 AM  
Welcome Kathryn!  First off, why don't you tell us a little about you and your family.I am a mom of 4 amazing, wonderful, awesome children (and one on the way!).  Dakota is 5 1/2 years old and has Autism. Coy, Max, and Lily are 3 1/2 year old triplets. Coy is our special little neuro-typical child. Max is also on the Autism spectrum. Lily had a very bad brain injury as a 4 month old and is about like having a 1-2 month old baby, but is so much fun (and feisty!).  I work full time at home as Lily's nurse as well as being a professional photographer outside the home.  My husband, Jeremy, is a full time student at two colleges and should be done with school in Spring 2012.
- See more at: http://visionarymom.com/an-interview-with-kathryn-mathis/#sthash.bMgs X miw.dpuf Check out this interview with the mom (who's pretty hot). Looks like they're got a pretty farked up family all the way around:

http://visionarymom.com/an-interview-with-kathryn-mathis/
 
2013-02-28 10:40:02 AM  

atomicmask: Theaetetus: atomicmask: How about the treatment of "I-don't-want-my-6-year-old-daughter-in-the-toilet-with-a-6-year-old-b oy-in-drag-ospy"

Why not? I mean, unless you're suggesting that 6 year olds are going to be having sex, in which case...
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6 year olds, dude.

How about I don't want my child seeing ANY Penis' that age unless they own one, period. I do not care what little snowflake thinks it is or is not, the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex.


Sounds like you've got some weird sexual hangups and are projecting those on children, and that's just creepy.
 
2013-02-28 10:41:01 AM  

atomicmask: the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex. Males have a male room, females a female room.


Out of curiosity, what do you do in your house? Do you segregate the bathrooms there?
 
2013-02-28 10:41:23 AM  

atomicmask: Name the mental illness...

1. unwarranted sense of importance and paranoia
2. Lack of empathy for others
3. delusions and a skewed sense of reality
4. strange behavior and illogical behavior


Oh, I know this one: "Projection."
 
2013-02-28 10:41:25 AM  

Ned Stark: Good thing its a pretty well understood mental disorder diagnosed by mental health professionals.


Actually, it's not.

[the more you know.jpg]
 
2013-02-28 10:41:41 AM  

orbister: Gyrfalcon: So when this "girl" hits puberty and decides he's a guy after all, what's mom going to do then?

Perhaps "Be tolerant, loving, and accepting, just as she was when the kid was six"?


or scream at the kiding

orbister: Gyrfalcon: So when this "girl" hits puberty and decides he's a guy after all, what's mom going to do then?

Perhaps "Be tolerant, loving, and accepting, just as she was when the kid was six"?


.......or disown him as a sell out that caved into society's pressures . Whatever works.
 
2013-02-28 10:41:56 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: atomicmask: the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex

Your stalls musta had some holes in the wall


They're called Tea Rooms, I believe.
 
2013-02-28 10:42:14 AM  

Theaetetus: atomicmask: the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex. Males have a male room, females a female room.

Out of curiosity, what do you do in your house? Do you segregate the bathrooms there?


no, what do you do at your house? Do you all pile up in the bathroom at the same time and piss in shiat by crowding around the 1 toilet while trying to act casual? In my house we typically shut the door and lock it when its occupied.
 
2013-02-28 10:42:56 AM  
Chicks with dicks: Kindergarten Edition
 
2013-02-28 10:43:10 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: Welcome Kathryn!  First off, why don't you tell us a little about you and your family.I am a mom of 4 amazing, wonderful, awesome children (and one on the way!).  Dakota is 5 1/2 years old and has Autism. Coy, Max, and Lily are 3 1/2 year old triplets. Coy is our special little neuro-typical child. Max is also on the Autism spectrum. Lily had a very bad brain injury as a 4 month old and is about like having a 1-2 month old baby, but is so much fun (and feisty!).  I work full time at home as Lily's nurse as well as being a professional photographer outside the home.  My husband, Jeremy, is a full time student at two colleges and should be done with school in Spring 2012.
- See more at: http://visionarymom.com/an-interview-with-kathryn-mathis/#sthash.bMgs X miw.dpuf Check out this interview with the mom (who's pretty hot). Looks like they're got a pretty farked up family all the way around:

http://visionarymom.com/an-interview-with-kathryn-mathis/


I missed the part about being knocked up again. Let's all meet back here in a few years and see what's wrong with the new one. Wagers?
 
2013-02-28 10:43:21 AM  
I swear....some of you are so "open-mind", your brains are leaking out.
 
2013-02-28 10:43:26 AM  

loaba: Theaetetus: I don't see why it's an issue. Just get rid of the group pissing trough in the boy's bathroom and let everyone use a toilet stall with a door. Frankly, it'd be more sanitary anyway, and then it wouldn't matter what parts you have.

What the hell bass-ackwards school did you go to? Wall urinals, man. They're, like, typical and stuff.


I must have gone to the same bass-ackwards school.  We had various combinations of metal and porcelain troughs from elementary through high school.  Didn't seem to have anything to do with the age of either the school or addition.  Some had typical urinals, others had troughs.  Just the way it was.

thenumber5:

how about, can you pee standing up, go in this room. If not, you go to this room.....

My sister could pee standing up quite easily, although through a jeans fly was out of the question.  Had a girlfriend who could also do it.  (Different people, btw)
 
2013-02-28 10:43:46 AM  

Kiwimann: Yay, another transgender thread.  Make with all your vitriol.  I'll be elsewhere.


I don't think there is any vitriol. Just many of us questioning if a 6 year old child is capable of making a major gender identifying decision.
 
2013-02-28 10:43:56 AM  

atomicmask: Theaetetus: atomicmask: the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex. Males have a male room, females a female room.

Out of curiosity, what do you do in your house? Do you segregate the bathrooms there?

no, what do you do at your house? Do you all pile up in the bathroom at the same time and piss in shiat by crowding around the 1 toilet while trying to act casual? In my house we typically shut the door and lock it when its occupied.


So, you do the exact same thing I suggested waaaaaay up thread - stalls with doors for everyone, and non-gender segregated bathrooms. Then what's your problem, Sparky?
 
2013-02-28 10:44:06 AM  

Kann: I am fully in support of LGBT rights, but in this case a six year old does not have a clear enough understanding of him/herself to be making these decisions.

I have to agree with earlier posters in that the mother here is way screwed up.

tfa says the kid prefers pink... cool nothing wrong with that, he likes girl toys fine... but in no way does he need to be using the girls restroom at age 6 in an elementary school...

These parents are as bad as pageant parents in projecting their own screwed up psych on the kids


I have to agree, six years-old seems way too damn young to be struggling with gender issues.

Something else is going on in that house.
 
2013-02-28 10:44:17 AM  

atomicmask: How about I don't want my child seeing ANY Penis' that age unless they own one, period. I do not care what little snowflake thinks it is or is not, the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex. Males have a male room, females a female room. If the asstard parents decide they wanted a girl and then instead of trying for one went and dressed the boy up like a girl, that is between them and the child, however, the rest of the world does not need to conform to their twisted views.


In the UK it is normal for children to use the same changing room (at swimming pools and so on) as their accompanying adult until they are eight.
 
2013-02-28 10:44:53 AM  
Did someone call dibs on the right half of that website?
 
2013-02-28 10:45:20 AM  

Theaetetus: atomicmask: the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex. Males have a male room, females a female room.

Out of curiosity, what do you do in your house? Do you segregate the bathrooms there?



Of for f*ck's sake.

Your point is weak and you know it....his house has unisex bathrooms.....JUST LIKE A GAS STATION.
 
2013-02-28 10:45:40 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Kiwimann: Yay, another transgender thread.  Make with all your vitriol.  I'll be elsewhere.

I don't think there is any vitriol. Just many of us questioning if a 6 year old child is capable of making a major gender identifying decision.


Since no one is suggesting surgery for the kid, I'm not sure that this is a "major" decision.
 
2013-02-28 10:46:21 AM  

starsrift: Dunno about the rest of you farkers, but I sure as hell didn't have a gender identity at that point in my life, one way or the other.


Really? You wore dresses and trousers more-or-less equally, played with dolls and footballs more or less equally, wore your hair cut short and in bunches more-or-less equally?
 
2013-02-28 10:46:37 AM  

The_Sponge: Theaetetus: atomicmask: the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex. Males have a male room, females a female room.

Out of curiosity, what do you do in your house? Do you segregate the bathrooms there?


Of for f*ck's sake.

Your point is weak strong and you know it....his house has unisex bathrooms.....JUST LIKE A GAS STATION.


FTFY, since, as you'll note, he agreed that there doesn't need to be a specific room for men and a different room for women, but just a room with a door.
 
2013-02-28 10:46:46 AM  

CarloSkippy: My sister could pee standing up quite easily


I have no clue how any of my sisters pee, and I'm very thankful for that.

/ I assume they pee sitting down, but now I'm dwelling on the topic. Damn you, CarloSkippy, damn you to hell.
 
2013-02-28 10:47:04 AM  

atomicmask: no, what do you do at your house? Do you all pile up in the bathroom at the same time and piss in shiat by crowding around the 1 toilet while trying to act casual? In my house we typically shut the door and lock it when its occupied.


You mean.... other people...don't do that?

*note to self

TheDumbBlonde: I missed the part about being knocked up again. Let's all meet back here in a few years and see what's wrong with the new one. Wagers?


What's the over/under
 
2013-02-28 10:47:47 AM  
What if, and I'm just throwing this out there, that maybe the kid is transgendered, allowing her to sit down to pee in the privacy of the stalls in the girls washroom isn't a bad thing, and maybe what's called for is a little help and understanding for those of us that aren't standard model.
 
2013-02-28 10:47:47 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: My husband, Jeremy, is a full time student at two colleges and should be done with school in Spring 2012.


4 kids before the dad even finishes college?  Really?  Okay well to be fair it was two but the second batch was unusually large.

Also am I the only one who is wondering if she was improperly fertility drugs or something of that nature given she popped out three kids at one and all three have issues?
 
2013-02-28 10:47:59 AM  
Why segregate genders at all at that age? Why do sexual organs have to be the deciding factor?  Why not have gender neutral bathrooms where the only qualification to use it is if you have a colon and urethra or medical facsimile?
 
2013-02-28 10:48:13 AM  

orbister: wore your hair cut short and in bunches more-or-less equally?


blogs-images.forbes.com 
Proud.
 
2013-02-28 10:48:22 AM  

loaba: ginandbacon: Wow. Fark has been really a quite nasty place to be the last few days. At least Coy has parents who listen to her and stand up for her.

If by her you mean him, then yeah, he's the luckiest kid on the planet...


No, I mean her. SHE identifies as female.
 
2013-02-28 10:48:38 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: Welcome Kathryn!  First off, why don't you tell us a little about you and your family.I am a mom of 4 amazing, wonderful, awesome children (and one on the way!).  Dakota is 5 1/2 years old and has Autism. Coy, Max, and Lily are 3 1/2 year old triplets. Coy is our special little neuro-typical child. Max is also on the Autism spectrum. Lily had a very bad brain injury as a 4 month old and is about like having a 1-2 month old baby, but is so much fun (and feisty!).  I work full time at home as Lily's nurse as well as being a professional photographer outside the home.  My husband, Jeremy, is a full time student at two colleges and should be done with school in Spring 2012.
- See more at: http://visionarymom.com/an-interview-with-kathryn-mathis/#sthash.bMgs X miw.dpuf Check out this interview with the mom (who's pretty hot). Looks like they're got a pretty farked up family all the way around:

http://visionarymom.com/an-interview-with-kathryn-mathis/


Marrying a close relative can cause a lot of genetic issues...
 
2013-02-28 10:48:42 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't think there is any vitriol. Just many of us questioning if a 6 year old child is capable of making a major gender identifying decision.


What, like, "I've got a penis and therefore I must be a boy even though I don't feel like a boy"?
 
2013-02-28 10:49:43 AM  
cheyanne9:you are heading in the right direction, future rest rooms will be unisex and all individual rooms

Parents went to Europe in the late 1970s.  One place, they found a restroom labeled men and women.  It led to all individual stalls.  After doing their business, they found themselves in the same restroom washing hands next to each other.  It was one facility with two doors.
 
2013-02-28 10:50:06 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: atomicmask: no, what do you do at your house? Do you all pile up in the bathroom at the same time and piss in shiat by crowding around the 1 toilet while trying to act casual? In my house we typically shut the door and lock it when its occupied.

You mean.... other people...don't do that?

*note to self

TheDumbBlonde: I missed the part about being knocked up again. Let's all meet back here in a few years and see what's wrong with the new one. Wagers?

What's the over/under


that should be a feature on fark - a tab and follow-up for easy access
 
2013-02-28 10:50:27 AM  
The boy is too young to decide his bedtime, much less his sexuality.

I support the school, there is no way the little boy gets to use the little girls room - regardless of what he thinks his reasons are.
 
2013-02-28 10:50:47 AM  
Liberals are funny and sad at the same time...
 
2013-02-28 10:50:55 AM  
I really wanted to be Spiderman when I was 6.

/I know... totally different
//if I had yo guess, I'd say Mom is off-the-charts insane
 
2013-02-28 10:51:23 AM  

Theaetetus: loaba: Theaetetus: I don't see why it's an issue. Just get rid of the group pissing trough in the boy's bathroom and let everyone use a toilet stall with a door. Frankly, it'd be more sanitary anyway, and then it wouldn't matter what parts you have.

What the hell bass-ackwards school did you go to? Wall urinals, man. They're, like, typical and stuff.

And they're also unsanitary and lack privacy. What's wrong with stalls?



A urinal is more unsanitary than something people shiat and vomit in? Don't think so. It's pee - you can use it to clean wounds and even drink it in a life or death situation. Urinals are also easier to clean thoroughly in comparison to toilets. I worked my way through school and am quite familiar with cleaning urinals.
As for what is wrong with stalls...nothing in particular except they take a LOT more room than urinals. A pretty common men's room arrangement might be two urinals and one stall. In a busy environment, three stalls do not adequately replace one stall and two urinals. They also require a room that is bigger than the one that exists currently. Imagine the cost to change all the bathrooms in a school to accommodate a no-urinals desire for one kid.  Big bucks, and for no return.
This girl is perfectly capable of using her penis to pee in a urinal. Girls and boys are perfectly capable of learning in the same classroom as each other. A person of one religion or mentality or another may come along and demand change, but society doesn't have to pay to accommodate every person's desires. Maybe I don't like to use multi-user restrooms at all. I was born that way and you can't prove I wasn't, even though I can't prove anything genetically either, but I DEMAND you install a number of private use bathrooms to accommodate my needs.
 The solution to this "problem" is home schooling.  Though that does not acheive any of the social activism goals that are the real agenda.  (internet - creative license, etc.)
 
2013-02-28 10:51:52 AM  

The_Sponge: I swear....some of you are so "open-mind", your brains are leaking out.


That joke is scratched into the walls of the Lascaux Caves.

And right below it is a crack about having head that one from Lucy.
 
2013-02-28 10:52:11 AM  
Wow, this thread is full of assholes.
 
2013-02-28 10:52:25 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: The first-grader, Coy Mathis, was born male but identifies as female


And here I was thinking that surgery was required for someone to be transgender.


This.

Has the kid got a pecker? Then the kid uses the boy's room. End of story.
 
2013-02-28 10:52:35 AM  

Nurglitch: What if, and I'm just throwing this out there, that maybe the kid is transgendered, allowing her to sit down to pee in the privacy of the stalls in the girls washroom isn't a bad thing, and maybe what's called for is a little help and understanding for those of us that aren't standard model.


Enabling deranged parents abuse of their children isn't helping.
 
2013-02-28 10:52:39 AM  

Private_Citizen: The boy is too young to decide his bedtime, much less his sexuality.


Why do you think this has anything to do with sexuality?
 
2013-02-28 10:52:45 AM  
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You know what really grinds my gears?  When I was a member at the YMCA in Bothell, Washington, girls 6 and younger were allowed in the men's locker room.  It's friggin' awkward as hell.  I don't give a damn if dad has to take little Suzy to swimming lessons....have mommy take her.  And don't get me started about the old guys who would walk around naked for hours....even Herbert the Pervert wasn't that bad.  And that's what really grinds my gears.
 
2013-02-28 10:52:58 AM  
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2013-02-28 10:53:05 AM  

loaba: CarloSkippy: I have no clue how any of my sisters pee, and I'm very thankful for that.

/ I assume they pee sitting down, but now I'm dwelling on the topic. Damn you, CarloSkippy, damn you to hell.


I assume all of your sisters pee.
 
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