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2013-02-28 10:20:23 AM

Gyrfalcon: So when this "girl" hits puberty and decides he's a guy after all, what's mom going to do then?


I'm betting blame the school for implanting the concept of masculinity into the kid or something.  Kind of like how hyper-macho dads start ranting about liberal, PC society making their kids into pussies.  In fact this just really seems to be the messed up mother version of a hyper macho dad farking up his kids.
 
2013-02-28 10:20:30 AM

houginator: Look i'm all for adults being able to have whatever sort of lifestyle they want, but it seems slightly disturbing that a six year old boy can just say "I have decided i'm a girl, therefore you have to let me use the women's bathroom". If this precedent stands, i suspect that nearly 100% of teenage males in junior high will voluntarily identify as female in exchange for unrestricted access to the female locker room.


You just need one, a la Kryten in that season of Red Dwarf.  Then he sells the pictures. Profit.

/A chick should pull the same crap with the male locker room.
 
2013-02-28 10:20:35 AM
Most people who are transgendered state that they knew very early on that they didn't feel right within their body or socially constructed gender. Six is just unusual because the parents aren't forcing their idea of what she should be of her.
 
2013-02-28 10:20:59 AM

atomicmask: Name the mental illness...

1. unwarranted sense of importance and paranoia
2. Lack of empathy for others
3. delusions and a skewed sense of reality
4. strange behavior and illogical behavior



Easy. It's called "worrying-about-what-toilet-a-six-year-old-kid-wants-to-use-itis".
 
2013-02-28 10:21:10 AM
Wouldn't it be an odd coincidence if the parents of this child also had some extreme political/social views or were "Studies" majors?  nah.....
;)
 
2013-02-28 10:21:32 AM

TheDumbBlonde: Let's review: Mom has four kids. According to mom, one is full-blown autistic, one "measures on the autistic scale", one had a massive brain injury at 4 months and is incurably damaged and finally, one is "neuro-typical". So BAM, the only norm is suddenly transgender. I think mommy has a serious case of Munschausen or is on one hell of a martyr trip.


The biatch has a case of of the 'SSD monies'.

/Meanwhile, real people who need help ain't getting it
 
2013-02-28 10:21:45 AM
Name the mental illness...

1. unwarranted sense of importance and paranoia
2. Lack of empathy for others
3. delusions and a skewed sense of reality
4. strange behavior and illogical behavior


Autism!
 
2013-02-28 10:21:53 AM
I think I see the problem.

www.truuconfessions.com
 
2013-02-28 10:21:58 AM

ha-ha-guy: Exactly buy the kid the toys he wants, but hold off on making the final call until he makes it through puberty.


Puberty is the jump-off point. I agree that they should delay the decision as long as possible for the kid to make up their own mind, but somebody who transitions before puberty has an astronomically better chance of passing and looking good in their new body than somebody who transitions after puberty.

Yes, it's good to err on the side of caution, but if the kid is really sure at the age of 12, and has been sure all their lives, then you're setting them up in a much better position in life by letting them go for it rather than force them to wait until they're 16/17.
 
2013-02-28 10:22:04 AM
Yay, another transgender thread.  Make with all your vitriol.  I'll be elsewhere.
 
2013-02-28 10:22:45 AM

Gyrfalcon: So when this "girl" hits puberty and decides he's a guy after all, what's mom going to do then?


Perhaps "Be tolerant, loving, and accepting, just as she was when the kid was six"?
 
2013-02-28 10:22:48 AM
I don't see why it's an issue. Just get rid of the group pissing trough in the boy's bathroom and let everyone use a toilet stall with a door. Frankly, it'd be more sanitary anyway, and then it wouldn't matter what parts you have.
 
2013-02-28 10:24:25 AM
I have no issue with transsexuals

but this really becoming a tyranny of the minority situation

Use the wrong pronoun and your nailed to the cross, try to draw lines based on simple biological systems, nailed to the cross

how about, can you pee standing up, go in this room. If not, you go to this room.....
 
2013-02-28 10:24:51 AM

Theaetetus: I don't see why it's an issue. Just get rid of the group pissing trough in the boy's bathroom and let everyone use a toilet stall with a door. Frankly, it'd be more sanitary anyway, and then it wouldn't matter what parts you have.


What the hell bass-ackwards school did you go to? Wall urinals, man. They're, like, typical and stuff.
 
2013-02-28 10:24:57 AM
call me ignorant, but I didn't think one could have a sexual idenity until they were old enough to get a boner/wet.  I mean maybe the kid is just a effeminate guy who will have an interest in girls as he gets older, or maybe he's just gay, but I just don't get the whole he's a transgender at 6. I'm 26, and still trying to figure out my sexuality, I truly doubt any six year old (who probably/hopefully doesn't know the difference the sexual roles) could have it so figured out.  I mean if it's just because he likes pink and barbies over blue and matchboxes, then they are probably wrong, I've had many nephews that preferred dolls at six and girls at 13, and nieces that prefer being tom boy only to switch to makeup and dresses when they got boyfriends.

Raise him how nature intended, as a boy, at least until he's old enough to realize the real differences of genders.
 
2013-02-28 10:25:30 AM
Another reason why we should do our business outdoors - the way God, Darwin & Bear Grylls intended!
Trees don't identify/acknowledge genders.

/Canuck who just dooged in a snow bank.
 
2013-02-28 10:25:58 AM
It's amazing how many Farkers have the ability to diagnose mental illness in a person they've never met via a single news article. Shiat, where were you guys when Bill Frist was diagnosing Terry Schiavo?
 
2013-02-28 10:25:58 AM

HAMMERTOE: orbister: First of all, she's a girl with male genitals, not a boy with male genitals.

And I'm a bird without wings.


How is that claim going to help make you feel special by suing someone?  I am going for something I can get something cool out of.

I identify as being an astronaut, and am suing NASA for not allowing me to fly the space shuttle.

//This can be fun if we learn how to do it right.
 
2013-02-28 10:26:09 AM

Theaetetus: I don't see why it's an issue. Just get rid of the group pissing trough in the boy's bathroom and let everyone use a toilet stall with a door. Frankly, it'd be more sanitary anyway, and then it wouldn't matter what parts you have.


Absolutely. Elementary/primary schools don't need segregated toilets.
 
2013-02-28 10:26:22 AM

TheDumbBlonde: Let's review: Mom has four kids. According to mom, one is full-blown autistic, one "measures on the autistic scale", one had a massive brain injury at 4 months and is incurably damaged and finally, one is "neuro-typical". So BAM, the only norm is suddenly transgender. I think mommy has a serious case of Munschausen or is on one hell of a martyr trip.


I'll bet she doesn't like being referred to as mom. Just because she had babies doesn't mean she's a woman on the inside as well.
 
2013-02-28 10:26:46 AM

Mager: Wow, since a six year old is fundamentally incapable of understanding gender roles, how farked up does Mom have to be in this situation. I guess she really wanted a daughter.


this.  came here to say the same thing, already done by the 5th post.
 
2013-02-28 10:26:50 AM

loaba: Theaetetus: I don't see why it's an issue. Just get rid of the group pissing trough in the boy's bathroom and let everyone use a toilet stall with a door. Frankly, it'd be more sanitary anyway, and then it wouldn't matter what parts you have.

What the hell bass-ackwards school did you go to? Wall urinals, man. They're, like, typical and stuff.


And they're also unsanitary and lack privacy. What's wrong with stalls?
 
2013-02-28 10:26:51 AM

tjsands1118: Raise him how nature intended, as a boy, at least until he's old enough to realize the real differences of genders.



That's reasonable talk and it won't be tolerated.
 
2013-02-28 10:27:34 AM

tjsands1118: call me ignorant, but I didn't think one could have a sexual idenity until they were old enough to get a boner/wet.  I mean maybe the kid is just a effeminate guy who will have an interest in girls as he gets older, or maybe he's just gay, but I just don't get the whole he's a transgender at 6.


This has nothing whatsoever to do with sexuality.
 
2013-02-28 10:27:34 AM
Remember "Sleepaway Camp"?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.
 
2013-02-28 10:27:37 AM

ha-ha-guy: Transgendered at six?  What did the parents catch the kid playing dressup in his sister's clothes one day and just go full retard or something?  Seems way to early to make the call on the kid and more like creepy parents grooming the kid to be a transgender or something that ends up on an extra farked up episode of Law and Order.

/also considering the kid has access to gender neutral facilities, not seeing the problem
//seriously though, there is no way the kid has a full enough understanding of gender roles and all that at 6 to make a decision
/I think thought girls were gross and had cooties back then, yet I grew out of that


There is a story of a kid (I think) from Saskatchewan that had a botched circumcision back in the late 60's.  Bad enough that they weren't able to save what was left and the decision was made that the kid would surgically become a girl, and simply raised that way.  So from about 6 months or so the kid was a girl.  Around the time the kid was 5 (he) tore off his dress, destroyed all his dolls and stole his brothers toy cars. He was pretty messed up and eventually took his own life.  My point was just because you look like a thing doesn't make you that thing.  And kids know, they may not have enough experience or context to express it all that well, but they know.
 
2013-02-28 10:29:11 AM

orbister: atomicmask: Name the mental illness...

1. unwarranted sense of importance and paranoia
2. Lack of empathy for others
3. delusions and a skewed sense of reality
4. strange behavior and illogical behavior


Easy. It's called "worrying-about-what-toilet-a-six-year-old-kid-wants-to-use-itis".


How about the treatment of "I-don't-want-my-6-year-old-daughter-in-the-toilet-with-a-6-year-old-b oy-in-drag-ospy"
 
2013-02-28 10:29:27 AM

loaba: Theaetetus: I don't see why it's an issue. Just get rid of the group pissing trough in the boy's bathroom and let everyone use a toilet stall with a door. Frankly, it'd be more sanitary anyway, and then it wouldn't matter what parts you have.

What the hell bass-ackwards school did you go to? Wall urinals, man. They're, like, typical and stuff.


Must have went to school at Wrigley Field
 
2013-02-28 10:30:19 AM

sudo give me more cowbell: ha-ha-guy: Exactly buy the kid the toys he wants, but hold off on making the final call until he makes it through puberty.

Puberty is the jump-off point. I agree that they should delay the decision as long as possible for the kid to make up their own mind, but somebody who transitions before puberty has an astronomically better chance of passing and looking good in their new body than somebody who transitions after puberty.

Yes, it's good to err on the side of caution, but if the kid is really sure at the age of 12, and has been sure all their lives, then you're setting them up in a much better position in life by letting them go for it rather than force them to wait until they're 16/17.


It opens this door to an event where the kid undergoes life altering surgery based solely on mental state, not any physical threat in terms of the child will drop dead tomorrow, prior to the age of majority.  I'd imagine, and hope, someday we'll have a firm understanding of the condition, and can set up a path for surgery.  However starting at age 6 when the kid still has a couple unknown body chemistry changes in their future seems a bit premature to me.  Especially because here you're also poisoning the well with relation to this kid's peer group.  I'd imagine middle school and high school will be hell for the kid.
 
2013-02-28 10:30:29 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: loaba: Theaetetus: I don't see why it's an issue. Just get rid of the group pissing trough in the boy's bathroom and let everyone use a toilet stall with a door. Frankly, it'd be more sanitary anyway, and then it wouldn't matter what parts you have.

What the hell bass-ackwards school did you go to? Wall urinals, man. They're, like, typical and stuff.

Must have went to school at Wrigley Field


I thought the toilet at Wrigley Field was that big pit in the middle with grass, dirt, and players.
 
2013-02-28 10:30:29 AM
Remember when you were 5, 6?

Did you play "Show me yours, I'll show you mine"?

Yeah, well, you really think a six year old can resist that?Especially if "she" is anatomically different? And really, six? Six year olds don;t understand a lot of complex things.....hell, I'm not sure that I understand this "I have the wrong genitals" thing. See, I'm a woman. To clarify, I was born with a vagina, but I never much cared for dolls and such, I more cared for doing things people would consider "boy stuff". Even now, I enjoy watching hockey, I don't like chick flicks, and I'm not into makeup, Although I can and do dress nicely and like a woman when the occasion calls.I just figure I'm a woman who doesn't much like sterotypical "female" things(Who was it that decided which genders could like what?)
 
2013-02-28 10:30:31 AM
Yeah, I'm with the "no, you don't get a gender identity with respect to government institutions until puberty, when sex is a factor" people, here.  Six-year-olds don't have sex, they don't really even  have a gender, beyond the usual kiddy factionalization.  Or, if they are having sex and it does matter, it's time for the state to intervene because its a parent's job to avert the kind of abuse these kinds of declaration are indicative of.

Albeit, by the same token the segregated bathrooms in the school are there for the benefit of the adults, who cares which ones the kids wander into?
 
2013-02-28 10:30:37 AM

orbister: Saying "if you feel like being a boy you can use the boys' toilets with all the other boys and if you feel like being a girl you can use the special gender neutral toilets along with the other sick freaks" is not keeping things neutral; it's heavily weighing the scales in one direction.


yeah... true.
I dunno, I guess I kinda feel like there should be a bit of an "activation barrier" so to speak. i.e. They should tell the kid that they love and accept them no matter what their gender, but in a way I kinda think that at that point they should be tipping the scales towards cisgender, and seeing if the child's certainty is strong and enduring.

Then again, who is it really harming if a 6 year old uses the girls bathroom -they've got private stalls and it's not like (s)he's a pedophile, so yeah, why not let them use the girls room.
 
2013-02-28 10:31:25 AM
Just want to point out that girls do more than just pee in the girls' room. They get changed into their gym clothes there as well. I suspect that the school's sudden change in attitude was brought about by an incident of some kind (probably a complaint from one or more of the girls) and that it either hasn't been passed on to the parents or not mentioned in the article. It's possible to think of a few scenarios where the school decided it was better simply to ask him to use the gender-neutral toilets.

I do think it's fairly obvious from the parents' reaction that they have some major issues. They are NOT being neutral about it, they are actually pushing the agenda of him being "really" a girl. Having him using the girls room is just as likely to single him out for bullying as using the gender neutral one. Don't you realise girls are actually terrible bullies? Maybe not so much at 6, but in another couple of years they certainly will be capable of making his life hell - and of being very uncomfortable changing around him.
 
2013-02-28 10:31:49 AM

sno man: ha-ha-guy: Transgendered at six?  What did the parents catch the kid playing dressup in his sister's clothes one day and just go full retard or something?  Seems way to early to make the call on the kid and more like creepy parents grooming the kid to be a transgender or something that ends up on an extra farked up episode of Law and Order.

/also considering the kid has access to gender neutral facilities, not seeing the problem
//seriously though, there is no way the kid has a full enough understanding of gender roles and all that at 6 to make a decision
/I think thought girls were gross and had cooties back then, yet I grew out of that

There is a story of a kid (I think) from Saskatchewan that had a botched circumcision back in the late 60's.  Bad enough that they weren't able to save what was left and the decision was made that the kid would surgically become a girl, and simply raised that way.  So from about 6 months or so the kid was a girl.  Around the time the kid was 5 (he) tore off his dress, destroyed all his dolls and stole his brothers toy cars. He was pretty messed up and eventually took his own life.  My point was just because you look like a thing doesn't make you that thing.  And kids know, they may not have enough experience or context to express it all that well, but they know.


David Reimer
 
2013-02-28 10:32:10 AM

atomicmask: How about the treatment of "I-don't-want-my-6-year-old-daughter-in-the-toilet-with-a-6-year-old-b oy-in-drag-ospy"


Why not? I mean, unless you're suggesting that 6 year olds are going to be having sex, in which case...
 ಠ_ಠ
6 year olds, dude.
 
2013-02-28 10:32:28 AM
Tomorrow let's explore Therianthropy, Lycanthropy, Cynanthropy, Ailuranthropy and Musoanthropy.

OK Mommy.
 
2013-02-28 10:33:05 AM
Theaetetus: And [wall urinals are] also unsanitary and lack privacy. What's wrong with stalls?

If you're not respecting the proper bathroom etiquette and peeing in a unit that is directly next to one being occupied, well yeah, you're a perv and privacy is gonna suffer.

/ As for the sanitary nature of wall urinals vs the group trough, I got noth'n.
 
2013-02-28 10:33:33 AM

ha-ha-guy: However starting at age 6 when the kid still has a couple unknown body chemistry changes in their future seems a bit premature to me.


I agree with that completely. The decision should be delayed as much as possible. All I'm saying is that puberty carries with it a certain amount of "locking in" that's hard to change once committed. Delaying as long as possible is responsible, but at age 11-12-13 or so, there is some sense in saying that you gotta commit one way or the other.
 
2013-02-28 10:34:24 AM

orbister: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: orbister: Two issues here. First of all, she's a girl with male genitals

They call those boys, from where I was raised.

Just like they call albino africans "white", I presume.



Oh please.

Let's take genetic testing into consideration.....and a boy will show up as male.

An albino African will show up as having African/black heritage.......and a
 
2013-02-28 10:34:34 AM
Wow. Fark has been really a quite nasty place to be the last few days. At least Coy has parents who listen to her and stand up for her.
 
2013-02-28 10:34:53 AM

sno man: ha-ha-guy: Transgendered at six?  What did the parents catch the kid playing dressup in his sister's clothes one day and just go full retard or something?  Seems way to early to make the call on the kid and more like creepy parents grooming the kid to be a transgender or something that ends up on an extra farked up episode of Law and Order.

/also considering the kid has access to gender neutral facilities, not seeing the problem
//seriously though, there is no way the kid has a full enough understanding of gender roles and all that at 6 to make a decision
/I think thought girls were gross and had cooties back then, yet I grew out of that

There is a story of a kid (I think) from Saskatchewan that had a botched circumcision back in the late 60's.  Bad enough that they weren't able to save what was left and the decision was made that the kid would surgically become a girl, and simply raised that way.  So from about 6 months or so the kid was a girl.  Around the time the kid was 5 (he) tore off his dress, destroyed all his dolls and stole his brothers toy cars. He was pretty messed up and eventually took his own life.  My point was just because you look like a thing doesn't make you that thing.  And kids know, they may not have enough experience or context to express it all that well, but they know.


I think Reimer also got an extra helping of farked up quackery from his shrink at an early age.
 
2013-02-28 10:35:27 AM

Theaetetus: loaba: Theaetetus: I don't see why it's an issue. Just get rid of the group pissing trough in the boy's bathroom and let everyone use a toilet stall with a door. Frankly, it'd be more sanitary anyway, and then it wouldn't matter what parts you have.

What the hell bass-ackwards school did you go to? Wall urinals, man. They're, like, typical and stuff.

And they're also unsanitary and lack privacy. What's wrong with stalls?


Unsanitary?  Are you eating off of it?  You are pissing into it, no touching involved with most new auto flushers.  You sit on a toilet, maybe use the paper ass gaskets.

As for privacy, most have small partitions to keep meat gazers to a minimum.  Stall doors and locks have been handled post wipe but pre-wash.
 
2013-02-28 10:35:53 AM
Voiceofreason01:
David Reimer

yea, that's him... that story is sad.
 
2013-02-28 10:36:09 AM

Theaetetus: I thought the toilet at Wrigley Field was that big pit in the middle with grass, dirt, and players.


Nah, thats the shiatter. We piss in the trough near the beer stand.

octopied: I more cared for doing things people would consider "boy stuff". Even now, I enjoy watching hockey, I don't like chick flicks, and I'm not into makeup


So, free later then? Blackhawks are playing tonight.
 
2013-02-28 10:36:32 AM

ginandbacon: Wow. Fark has been really a quite nasty place to be the last few days. At least Coy has parents who listen to her and stand up for her.


If by her you mean him, then yeah, he's the luckiest kid on the planet...
 
2013-02-28 10:36:58 AM

Russ1642: TheDumbBlonde: Let's review: Mom has four kids. According to mom, one is full-blown autistic, one "measures on the autistic scale", one had a massive brain injury at 4 months and is incurably damaged and finally, one is "neuro-typical". So BAM, the only norm is suddenly transgender. I think mommy has a serious case of Munschausen or is on one hell of a martyr trip.

I'll bet she doesn't like being referred to as mom. Just because she had babies doesn't mean she's a woman on the inside as well.


She's not weird. Everyone else is criminally normal.
 
2013-02-28 10:37:11 AM

Theaetetus: atomicmask: How about the treatment of "I-don't-want-my-6-year-old-daughter-in-the-toilet-with-a-6-year-old-b oy-in-drag-ospy"

Why not? I mean, unless you're suggesting that 6 year olds are going to be having sex, in which case...
 ಠ_ಠ
6 year olds, dude.


How about I don't want my child seeing ANY Penis' that age unless they own one, period. I do not care what little snowflake thinks it is or is not, the fact is the bathrooms are based on sex. Males have a male room, females a female room. If the asstard parents decide they wanted a girl and then instead of trying for one went and dressed the boy up like a girl, that is between them and the child, however, the rest of the world does not need to conform to their twisted views.
 
2013-02-28 10:37:38 AM
I agree that it would be horrible to just throw surgeries and hormone treatments at "those weird kids" every time one of em put on a dress.

Good thing its a pretty well understood mental disorder diagnosed by mental health professionals.
 
2013-02-28 10:37:50 AM

ginandbacon: Wow. Fark has been really a quite nasty place to be the last few days. At least Coy has parents who listen to her and stand up for her.


Haven't you heard, the more pessimistic and bitter your the longer you live. We're shooting for immortality here.
 
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