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(Globe and Mail)   Argo causing more butthurt - this time with the Brits & Kiwis. Geesh, don't they know that the Yanks single-handedly won WWI & II for the allies?   (theglobeandmail.com) divider line 103
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2013-02-28 09:57:22 AM  
It's farking fiction. Get over it.
 
2013-02-28 09:58:44 AM  
It is exactly the kind of Hollywood mythology expressed in Argo that causes most Americans to believe that.  They aught to be pissed.  Particularly the Canuks.
 
2013-02-28 10:01:08 AM  
Canada, it's been 5 months. Change your tampon already.
 
2013-02-28 10:06:26 AM  
I hear the US is also rather good at capturing German submarines.
 
2013-02-28 10:07:46 AM  

gonzojohn: It's farking fiction. Get over it.




Why are you oppressing me?
 
2013-02-28 10:09:14 AM  
About that WWII thing....

yea pretty much.
 
2013-02-28 10:11:21 AM  

mrlewish: About that WWII thing....

yea pretty much.


You mean those 20 million Russian war deaths were in vain?
Get the f**k over yourself.
 
2013-02-28 10:11:58 AM  
Shocker - a town run by a bunch of homeschooled drama geeks who barely (if at all) made it out of high school tends to produce movies that are historically inaccurate ?  Shocker.  If they had any sense of history, they would have a much more difficult time hopping all over Obama's Socialist disco stick.
 
2013-02-28 10:12:01 AM  
I, for one, will refrain from taking any of this too seriously until the Iranians weigh in on Argo.
 
2013-02-28 10:16:40 AM  

Target Builder: I hear the US is also rather good at capturing German submarines.


That was one of the more egregious 'fark history' movies I've ever seen.
 
2013-02-28 10:17:30 AM  
oh, for farks sake. Ben Affleck's character was supposed to be Hispanic. If you took your world view from Hollywood, you would be convinced that the planet only contained rich white Jews. Thank god Europe has a thriving movie industry.
 
2013-02-28 10:20:28 AM  
America kicking ass and taking names since 264 BC.

HUUUUUUAA...!
 
2013-02-28 10:23:29 AM  

elvindeath: Shocker - a town run by a bunch of homeschooled drama geeks who barely (if at all) made it out of high school tends to produce movies that are historically inaccurate ?  Shocker.  If they had any sense of history, they would have a much more difficult time hopping all over Obama's Socialist disco stick.


i52.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-28 10:31:15 AM  
Make your own goddamn movie if you want it to tell a different story. It's entertainment, not education
 
2013-02-28 10:31:47 AM  

gonzojohn: It's farking fiction. Get over it.


There's a difference between punching things up a bit for the movie and being a lying douchebag.

When they made the comment about the English and Kiwis, my thought was "Of course the English would do something like that. I thought the Kiwis were better than that." And proceeded to go home and throw out all my english muffins and Yahoo Serious movies.
 
2013-02-28 10:33:39 AM  

Komplex: gonzojohn: It's farking fiction. Get over it.

There's a difference between punching things up a bit for the movie and being a lying douchebag.

When they made the comment about the English and Kiwis, my thought was "Of course the English would do something like that. I thought the Kiwis were better than that." And proceeded to go home and throw out all my english muffins and Yahoo Serious movies.


To be honest, they did you a service if you threw out your Yahoo Serious movies.
 
2013-02-28 10:37:58 AM  

gonzojohn: It's farking fiction. Get over it.


Right, kind of like America winning Vietnam, or WMD of mass destruction in Iraq. We get it. It's just Americans who get off on this revisionist crap that's sad.
 
2013-02-28 10:42:03 AM  

indarwinsshadow: gonzojohn: It's farking fiction. Get over it.

Right, kind of like America winning Vietnam, or WMD of mass destruction in Iraq. We get it. It's just Americans who get off on this revisionist crap that's sad.


There's a movie where America wins Viet Nam?  Really?  I've seen a lot of Viet Nam movies - some good, some bad - and I've never seen one where we won the actual conflict.  And what about those "weapons of mass destruction of mass destruction" you're talking about?  Do we have any movies with those in them?
 
2013-02-28 10:44:29 AM  
'merikun revisionists definition of "winning":
i1151.photobucket.com
`We were going to paint the place anyway - and get rid of all those outdated furnishings!'
 
2013-02-28 10:45:30 AM  

oldfarthenry: 'merikun revisionists definition of "winning":
[i1151.photobucket.com image 583x240]
`We were going to paint the place anyway - and get rid of all those outdated furnishings!'


Hey, you posted the pic of the White House being burned in the War of 1812.  What a shock to see that appear.
 
2013-02-28 10:46:05 AM  

darkvstar: oh, for farks sake. Ben Affleck's character was supposed to be Hispanic. If you took your world view from Hollywood, you would be convinced that the planet only contained rich white Jews. Thank god Europe has a thriving movie industry.


They guy that Afleck plays says he ain't Hispanic, and has no problem with Affleck playing him.

The movie was really accurate in its portrayal of events, and the credit sequence even goes so far as to give you a shot by shot comparison of the real events to the way they play out in the film.  The names of the people are all real.  The name of the Hollywood makup guy is real, as was his role in setting up the bogus office.  The name of the CIA agent is real, and the Canadian Caper is damn sure real, except it was handled for the most part by  Canadians.

You know what wasn't real, in all of that effort to remain accurate to the events?  Stating that the Brits and Kiwis turned American diplomats away, when in reality, they initially harboured them, help them find safer lodgings with the Canuks, and drove them to the farking Airport.   If you can do a shot for shot remake of the embasy being over run, it shouldn't be too much effort to get that part right, and it wouldn't detract from the story at all.
 
2013-02-28 10:49:32 AM  

oldfarthenry: mrlewish: About that WWII thing....

yea pretty much.

You mean those 20 million Russian war deaths were in vain?
Get the f**k over yourself.


How long would Britain and Russia have lasted without American support from 1940-1941?  Our people were dying in combat long before Pearl Harbor.  No, America did not single-handedly win the war, but we also weren't sitting on our butts watching it happen.  Each of the Allies were critical to the war effort and singling out any single country as the victor gives short shrift to their allies.
 
2013-02-28 10:49:37 AM  
Maybe we didn't single handedly win both wars, but is the world a better place because of us? Absolutely
 
2013-02-28 10:49:41 AM  

Nabb1: indarwinsshadow: gonzojohn: It's farking fiction. Get over it.

Right, kind of like America winning Vietnam, or WMD of mass destruction in Iraq. We get it. It's just Americans who get off on this revisionist crap that's sad.

There's a movie where America wins Viet Nam?  Really?  I've seen a lot of Viet Nam movies - some good, some bad - and I've never seen one where we won the actual conflict.  And what about those "weapons of mass destruction of mass destruction" you're talking about?  Do we have any movies with those in them?


Loved flight of the intruder. Now I know we didnt win the WAR in that film, but hot damn if I wasn't all psyched up and excited. You mean Washington pencil dick lawmakers actually allowed our forces to go in kick ass? I then run to my history books and see that no...no they didn't..and I get sad. Then I have to rewatch Flight of the Intruder and the cycle continues.

Movie should have been about just bombing the dykes....but that's not half as awesome as SAM mother effing city.
 
2013-02-28 10:50:43 AM  

oldfarthenry: mrlewish: About that WWII thing....

yea pretty much.

You mean those 20 million Russian war deaths were in vain?
Get the f**k over yourself.


With out the USA in the war it would have been 60 million russian war deaths.
 
2013-02-28 10:52:08 AM  

Broktun: oldfarthenry: mrlewish: About that WWII thing....

yea pretty much.

You mean those 20 million Russian war deaths were in vain?
Get the f**k over yourself.

With out the USA in the war it would have been 60 million russian war deaths.


According to FARK WWII historians, the US should get no more than a participation trophy.
 
2013-02-28 10:55:03 AM  

ScouserDuck: Nabb1: indarwinsshadow: gonzojohn: It's farking fiction. Get over it.

Right, kind of like America winning Vietnam, or WMD of mass destruction in Iraq. We get it. It's just Americans who get off on this revisionist crap that's sad.

There's a movie where America wins Viet Nam?  Really?  I've seen a lot of Viet Nam movies - some good, some bad - and I've never seen one where we won the actual conflict.  And what about those "weapons of mass destruction of mass destruction" you're talking about?  Do we have any movies with those in them?

Loved flight of the intruder.


I was going to be an extra in that movie until they told me that in order to earn my extra $80, I had to be on the flight deck in my summer whites for about 8 straight hours.  Fark that for any amount of money.

U.S.S. Ranger, CV by God 61.
 
2013-02-28 10:56:44 AM  

Broktun: oldfarthenry: mrlewish: About that WWII thing....

yea pretty much.

You mean those 20 million Russian war deaths were in vain?
Get the f**k over yourself.

With out the USA in the war it would have been 60 million russian war deaths.


Lend-lease to Russia was a tiny amount of their total order of battle.  They had huge manufacturing capabilities and the first thing they did when the Germans invaded was pack that shiat up on trains and ship it east.  The Russians produced more trucks and tanks than all other allied forces combined.
 
2013-02-28 10:59:47 AM  

Broktun: oldfarthenry: mrlewish: About that WWII thing....

yea pretty much.

You mean those 20 million Russian war deaths were in vain?
Get the f**k over yourself.

With out the USA in the war it would have been 60 million russian war deaths.


Deaths doesn't really reflect effectiveness as the Russians loved padding their numbers by forcing whole groups of soliders to run unarmed at the heavily armed Germans. Hopefully they would be able to pick up a dropped gun and if they didn't really feel comfortable at running to their death, the Russians would kill them themselves.
 
2013-02-28 11:01:33 AM  

Nabb1: indarwinsshadow: gonzojohn: It's farking fiction. Get over it.

Right, kind of like America winning Vietnam, or WMD of mass destruction in Iraq. We get it. It's just Americans who get off on this revisionist crap that's sad.

There's a movie where America wins Viet Nam?  Really?  I've seen a lot of Viet Nam movies - some good, some bad - and I've never seen one where we won the actual conflict.  And what about those "weapons of mass destruction of mass destruction" you're talking about?  Do we have any movies with those in them?


America wins Vietnam in the Watchmen. So there's that. And then there's the time Robin Williams won over the Vietcong with humor.

As I keep saying when the Canucks fuss about Argo, the Brits and the kiwis have a real right to complain as they are represented as saying "feck off, the lot o ye" when they actually helped too.
 
2013-02-28 11:08:53 AM  

Nabb1: Broktun: oldfarthenry: mrlewish: About that WWII thing....

yea pretty much.

You mean those 20 million Russian war deaths were in vain?
Get the f**k over yourself.

With out the USA in the war it would have been 60 million russian war deaths.

According to FARK WWII historians, the US should get no more than a participation trophy.

 Level 1 History: AMERICAN WON THE WAR MURRICA
Level 2 History: America beat the reserve, untrained forces after England destroyed the air force and Russia destroyed the real land army.
Level 3 History: It's complicated and why aren't we talking about Japan, China and the pacific theater at all?
 
2013-02-28 11:09:53 AM  

Rent Party: darkvstar: oh, for farks sake. Ben Affleck's character was supposed to be Hispanic. If you took your world view from Hollywood, you would be convinced that the planet only contained rich white Jews. Thank god Europe has a thriving movie industry.

They guy that Afleck plays says he ain't Hispanic, and has no problem with Affleck playing him.

The movie was really accurate in its portrayal of events, and the credit sequence even goes so far as to give you a shot by shot comparison of the real events to the way they play out in the film.  The names of the people are all real.  The name of the Hollywood makup guy is real, as was his role in setting up the bogus office.  The name of the CIA agent is real, and the Canadian Caper is damn sure real, except it was handled for the most part by  Canadians.

You know what wasn't real, in all of that effort to remain accurate to the events?  Stating that the Brits and Kiwis turned American diplomats away, when in reality, they initially harboured them, help them find safer lodgings with the Canuks, and drove them to the farking Airport.   If you can do a shot for shot remake of the embasy being over run, it shouldn't be too much effort to get that part right, and it wouldn't detract from the story at all.


This is what gets me. Affleck specifically put in a line saying the Brits and Kiwis didn't want to help, a total lie. And showing them hiding in the British compound and then being forced to move when that was under threat would have been accurate and more exciting. The Americans getting shelter with the Brits, thinking "Whew, we're safe" and then "Oh shiat! We're under threat again!"

And I have no problem with Saving Private Ryan. It was a story about a single mission, to rescue one US soldier. Of course it was going to take place in the US operation.
 
2013-02-28 11:14:44 AM  
Russia beat the Germans.  US just saved England's ass and stopped the whole of Europe from speaking Sputnik.
 
2013-02-28 11:17:41 AM  

Rent Party: The Russians produced more trucks and tanks than all other allied forces combined.


No. No they didn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II
 
2013-02-28 11:19:35 AM  

gonzojohn: It's farking fiction. Get over it.


But it's framed as historic fact. It features archived TV news footage, as well as a brief (albeit laughably inaccurate) history lesson in the introduction.  It's not presented as an Inglorious Basterds-type "What if...?" movie.

I wasn't expecting 100% accuracy, but the distortion of the truth presented in the movie is ridiculous. The ending with the Iranians chasing the plane by armored vehicle is complete fiction, and felt like such a cynical Hollywood attempt to make things more "exciting".

Unlike others, though, I felt that the entity that gets way too much credit in the movie is not the American government so much as Hollywood itself. It's a Hollywood movie, directed by and starring a Hollywood darling, about how Hollywood saved the day. It's like two hours of the movie industry sucking itself off.
 
2013-02-28 11:20:04 AM  
I'll bet the kangaroo-rapers are still butthurt over The Rat Patrol too, aren't they?
www.oldmodelkits.com
 
2013-02-28 11:29:45 AM  
Why couldn't we have just listen to Patton and just keep pressing east after the Germans fell?

/man would the world be a different place right now.
 
2013-02-28 11:33:51 AM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Unlike others, though, I felt that the entity that gets way too much credit in the movie is not the American government so much as Hollywood itself. It's a Hollywood movie, directed by and starring a Hollywood darling, about how Hollywood saved the day. It's like two hours of the movie industry sucking itself off.


I concur and endorse this statement.
 
2013-02-28 11:37:20 AM  
i45.tinypic.com

hey Canada, he thanked you, honest!
 
2013-02-28 11:37:59 AM  

Rent Party: Lend-lease to Russia was a tiny amount of their total order of battle. They had huge manufacturing capabilities and the first thing they did when the Germans invaded was pack that shiat up on trains and ship it east. The Russians produced more trucks and tanks than all other allied forces combined.


==

"The United States is a country of machines. Without the use of these machines through Lend-Lease, we would lose this war." -Josef Stalin (1943)
 
2013-02-28 12:07:36 PM  

Nabb1: indarwinsshadow: gonzojohn: It's farking fiction. Get over it.

Right, kind of like America winning Vietnam, or WMD of mass destruction in Iraq. We get it. It's just Americans who get off on this revisionist crap that's sad.

There's a movie where America wins Viet Nam?  Really?  I've seen a lot of Viet Nam movies - some good, some bad - and I've never seen one where we won the actual conflict.  And what about those "weapons of mass destruction of mass destruction" you're talking about?  Do we have any movies with those in them?


Spin it any way you want, Americans believe their own propoganda. Rambo was a perfect example of how America couldn't handle losing the war, so instead spun a tale where a lone American avenger takes on the View Cong...and wins.

thepoliticalzealot.com


And the picture of Bush in front of that banner was a perfect example of the biggest load of horseh*t foisted on the American people. And some of you bought into it.
Not all of you, but some of you bought into the propoganda. Some believed there really were wmd in Iraq, and your country was justified in invading another country without provocation and killing the people, the gov't and it's leaders. You have no idea the kind of effect that had on the rest of the world.
 
2013-02-28 12:10:05 PM  

Nabb1: indarwinsshadow: gonzojohn: It's farking fiction. Get over it.

Right, kind of like America winning Vietnam, or WMD of mass destruction in Iraq. We get it. It's just Americans who get off on this revisionist crap that's sad.

There's a movie where America wins Viet Nam?  Really?  I've seen a lot of Viet Nam movies - some good, some bad - and I've never seen one where we won the actual conflict.  And what about those "weapons of mass destruction of mass destruction" you're talking about?  Do we have any movies with those in them?


www.wired.com
 
2013-02-28 12:23:09 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Spin it any way you want, Americans believe their own propoganda. Rambo was a perfect example of how America couldn't handle losing the war, so instead spun a tale where a lone American avenger takes on the View Cong...and wins.


"Rambo"?  You know, not too many Americans confused that with real history or anything.

indarwinsshadow: And the picture of Bush in front of that banner was a perfect example of the biggest load of horseh*t foisted on the American people. And some of you bought into it.
Not all of you, but some of you bought into the propoganda. Some believed there really were wmd in Iraq, and your country was justified in invading another country without provocation and killing the people, the gov't and it's leaders. You have no idea the kind of effect that had on the rest of the world.


Yeah, we'll try real hard not to do that again.  Sorry.
 
2013-02-28 12:24:16 PM  
Argofarkyourself
 
2013-02-28 12:25:32 PM  
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2013-02-28 12:30:49 PM  
ScouserDuck:

Loved flight of the intruder. Now I know we didnt win the WAR in that film, but hot damn if I wasn't all psyched up and excited. You mean Washington pencil dick lawmakers actually allowed our forces to go in kick ass? I then run to my history books and see that no...no they didn't..and I get sad. Then I have to rewatch Flight of the Intruder and the cycle continues.

Movie should have been about just bombing the dykes....but that's not half as awesome as SAM mother effing city.


IIRC, the original novel just had them doing a mostly ineffective strike on the Communist Party headquarters in Hanoi.  But it had a pretty effective psychological impact
 
2013-02-28 12:45:47 PM  

Nabb1: indarwinsshadow: Spin it any way you want, Americans believe their own propoganda. Rambo was a perfect example of how America couldn't handle losing the war, so instead spun a tale where a lone American avenger takes on the View Cong...and wins.

"Rambo"?  You know, not too many Americans confused that with real history or anything.

indarwinsshadow: And the picture of Bush in front of that banner was a perfect example of the biggest load of horseh*t foisted on the American people. And some of you bought into it.
Not all of you, but some of you bought into the propoganda. Some believed there really were wmd in Iraq, and your country was justified in invading another country without provocation and killing the people, the gov't and it's leaders. You have no idea the kind of effect that had on the rest of the world.

Yeah, we'll try real hard not to do that again.  Sorry.


If only that were true. Seems like every couple of years, the American war machine spins up and decides to invade some country.
 
2013-02-28 12:54:54 PM  

TheTrashcanMan: Why couldn't we have just listen to Patton and just keep pressing east after the Germans fell?

/man would the world be a different place right now.


That's what Churchill wanted too.


indarwinsshadow: And the picture of Bush in front of that banner was a perfect example of the biggest load of horseh*t foisted on the American people.


OK, let me just say this about that:

That banner was up there for the ship and its crew. Some news photographer thought it would be a great joke to frame the photo the way he did.
 
2013-02-28 01:15:00 PM  
I love all the Euros biatching that America didn't get involved in WWII sooner.  [SARCASM] If there's one thing that stands out in European history, it's their willingness to commit troops to serious military action in foreign locales primarily for the benefity of those peoples at great sacrifice to themselves and their loved ones [/SARCASM]

Thomas Jefferson was biatching about getting entangled in the Euros problems 150 years before WWII, so a little lack of motivation (especially since we had just gone over there and saved ass 30 years prior) is understandable.  Besides, getting involved in WWII led to nearly 70 years of US taxpayers having to run an international welfare program for military defense while everyone biatches about us being the world's policeman.
 
2013-02-28 01:18:41 PM  

Rent Party: Broktun: oldfarthenry: mrlewish: About that WWII thing....

yea pretty much.

You mean those 20 million Russian war deaths were in vain?
Get the f**k over yourself.

With out the USA in the war it would have been 60 million russian war deaths.

Lend-lease to Russia was a tiny amount of their total order of battle.  They had huge manufacturing capabilities and the first thing they did when the Germans invaded was pack that shiat up on trains and ship it east.  The Russians produced more trucks and tanks than all other allied forces combined.


This interview with British historian Geoffrey Roberts might interest you guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2xW6veHY9U
 
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