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2013-02-28 10:03:13 AM  
I watched some of the first quarter and thought "Hey, we're actually hanging with Michigan here".  Later at the gym with 2 minutes left, I saw the score and almost pinched one off right there.

That game said a lot more about Michigan than it did Penn State.  Ann Arbor is a whore.
 
2013-02-28 10:07:38 AM  
I saw the score last night and was shocked.  Penn State pretty much sucks at basketball and has since Bruce Parkhill left.  It's beyond me why they've never really been able to field a competitive basketball team.
 
2013-02-28 10:18:44 AM  
Demetrius:  It's beyond me why they've never really been able to field a competitive basketball team.

My guess is because there are lots of other, more storied basketball programs in Pennsylvania.
 
2013-02-28 10:24:22 AM  
And this is why Michigan has zero chance to win the NCAA.

Eventually their bad team defense and "live by the 3, die by the 3" offensive philosophy will catch up to them.

Have a bad shooting night when you are that dependent on the 3-point shot for points and even a mediocre team can take you down.
 
2013-02-28 10:24:25 AM  
As a Wolverine fan I am thoroughly disgusted.  With Indiana losing earlier in the week, we were setup perfectly to take charge of our own destiny in the Big Ten and what do we do?  Go out and suck ass to the worse team in the Big Ten.

And the thing that really pisses me off is that we had them down double digits mid-way through the second half.  And then....we let up - theres no other way to put it.  You could tell Michigan thought they'd coast to victory and Penn State, to their credit, never let up and just kept at it.

/Damn them.
 
2013-02-28 10:36:36 AM  

browneye: And the thing that really pisses me off is that we had them down double digits mid-way through the second half.  And then....we let up - theres no other way to put it.  You could tell Michigan thought they'd coast to victory and Penn State, to their credit, never let up and just kept at it.


As a Penn State fan, the game was just following the script that Penn State has followed during Big Ten play this season - play close into the second half then give it up.

I'll give Coach Chambers credit that the team does not lack for heart or positive attitude even if it could use more talent. Down 15 to #4 when most of your season has gone this way is as good a place as any to turtle and hope the end comes quickly.
 
2013-02-28 10:50:29 AM  
Congrats to PSU basketball. I remember when I was a student there and stormed the court after they beat Michigan St. in 2008 and Illinois in 2009. Maybe this will build momentum for the rest of this season and into next...
 
2013-02-28 11:04:21 AM  
I guess we can say Michigan got...

...molested.
 
2013-02-28 11:05:14 AM  

Demetrius: I saw the score last night and was shocked.  Penn State pretty much sucks at basketball and has since Bruce Parkhill left.  It's beyond me why they've never really been able to field a competitive basketball team.


Because it would take attention away from the football team.
 
2013-02-28 11:22:32 AM  

Demetrius: I saw the score last night and was shocked.  Penn State pretty much sucks at basketball and has since Bruce Parkhill left.  It's beyond me why they've never really been able to field a competitive basketball team.


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At least Penn State has won an NCAA tournament game. And a regular season conference championship within the last 70 years. And been to the NCAA tournament in the last 15 years. But hey, at least Nebrasketball has that NIT championship.

And it could be worse . . . we could be Northwestern.
 
2013-02-28 11:33:32 AM  

velvet_fog: At least Penn State has won an NCAA tournament game. And a regular season conference championship within the last 70 years. And been to the NCAA tournament in the last 15 years.


Except that ended with cars overturned and piles of debris burning in Beaver Canyon.  Not exactly a high water mark for the university either.
 
2013-02-28 11:42:42 AM  

Coach_J: And this is why Michigan has zero chance to win the NCAA.

Eventually their bad team defense and "live by the 3, die by the 3" offensive philosophy will catch up to them.

Have a bad shooting night when you are that dependent on the 3-point shot for points and even a mediocre team can take you down.


So true.  getting destroyed by MSU and losing to PSU are great indicators that the game plan will fail at one point.  Cant wait for this Sunday though.  MSU needs a big win before the conference tourney.
 
2013-02-28 11:53:33 AM  
PSU winning isn't the most shocking thing, they somehow managed to score more than 80 points.
 
2013-02-28 11:55:16 AM  
With as much fuss as was made on the news last night, I thought they'd won the conference title last night.  Instead, I find out just now that it was their first win in the Big Ten this season.

/really?
 
2013-02-28 11:59:51 AM  

bluorangefyre: With as much fuss as was made on the news last night, I thought they'd won the conference title last night.  Instead, I find out just now that it was their first win in the Big Ten this season.

/really?


It makes sense for either example. One is a big deal because it means your team is going to the tournament. The other is a big deal because your team sucks and you've spent the whole year watching them suck and be terrible...and then they go and ruin a top-tier team's season.

/people should rush the court more often. It's fun.
 
2013-02-28 12:07:41 PM  
Lots of weird stuff going on this season. This could be the year a 16 beats a 1 seed.
 
2013-02-28 12:31:13 PM  
Great game, caught that one and Minny/IU the night before. B10 is crazy this year. IA beat the Boilers too, if they sneak in (at this point I assume Minny and IL are locks) B10 could send 8 to the dance. We'll see.

Also makes me more frustrated that ILL ended up stomped out by UM twice this year yet scrapes PSU by a handful... they're all over the place this year. Stop getting my hopes up.

/At least ILL sucks slightly less than when I was a student, still remember Shaun Pruitt missing 8? FTs to lose to IU and eric gordon, also losing to PSU something like 33-38.
 
2013-02-28 12:52:52 PM  

Coach_J: And this is why Michigan has zero chance to win the NCAA.

Eventually their bad team defense and "live by the 3, die by the 3" offensive philosophy will catch up to them.

Have a bad shooting night when you are that dependent on the 3-point shot for points and even a mediocre team can take you down.


spot on.   at any level.  i see a lot of basketball, ref'ing and spectating.  live by the three....die by the three.
 
2013-02-28 01:01:27 PM  

GoldSpider: That game said a lot more about Michigan than it did Penn State.


agreed

Ann Arbor is a whore.

oh - that hurt - not really....  (...UM alum here)

cheers
 
2013-02-28 01:04:22 PM  

Coach_J: And this is why Michigan has zero chance to win the NCAA.

Eventually their bad team defense and "live by the 3, die by the 3" offensive philosophy will catch up to them.

Have a bad shooting night when you are that dependent on the 3-point shot for points and even a mediocre team can take you down.


Last night really had nothing to do with the three point shot (for Michigan's offense at least; Penn State isn't a good shooting team and shot 50% from 3).  They weren't hitting at their usual clip on 3s but still had a 56% eFG%, which should be more than enough to win a game against Penn State.  The problem was their defense was absolutely atrocious, pretty much their worst performance of the season, and they turned it over far more than they usually do.
 
2013-02-28 01:06:34 PM  
Is this where you hear the announcer scream, "wow, I haven't seen Penn State pound someone that hard since Sandusky took a shower!" Doesn't matter the sport - never forget.
 
2013-02-28 01:21:12 PM  

browneye: As a Wolverine fan I am thoroughly disgusted.  With Indiana losing earlier in the week, we were setup perfectly to take charge of our own destiny in the Big Ten and what do we do?  Go out and suck ass to the worse team in the Big Ten.

And the thing that really pisses me off is that we had them down double digits mid-way through the second half.  And then....we let up - theres no other way to put it.  You could tell Michigan thought they'd coast to victory and Penn State, to their credit, never let up and just kept at it.


This entire farking season they've tried to win with as little effort as possible.  They don't play hard early, because they're hoping they can play the whole game easy.  If their opponent is so  uncouth as to FORCE them to play hard, they let up the moment they get a double-digit lead.  No reason to get  tired playing sports, right?
 
2013-02-28 02:04:38 PM  

Cagey B: Lots of weird stuff going on this season. This could be the year a 16 beats a 1 seed.


Said it long ago - if it does happen, I hope to God it's the dookies.  With Dookie Vitale in attendance.  The schadenfreude would take medical attention to go away.
 
2013-02-28 03:11:48 PM  

velvet_fog: Demetrius: I saw the score last night and was shocked.  Penn State pretty much sucks at basketball and has since Bruce Parkhill left.  It's beyond me why they've never really been able to field a competitive basketball team.

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At least Penn State has won an NCAA tournament game. And a regular season conference championship within the last 70 years. And been to the NCAA tournament in the last 15 years. But hey, at least Nebrasketball has that NIT championship.

And it could be worse . . . we could be Northwestern.


Meanwhile, my Badgers just whooped on your team like it was a scrimmage against a local high school squad

That is NOT a repeat from the B1G Champ game :-)
 
2013-02-28 03:16:30 PM  
www.sportsgrid.com
And look who's a game out of the lead in the Big Ten?

Seriously, how this guy isn't in the discussion for national COTY every year is beyond me.
 
2013-02-28 03:19:52 PM  

japlemon: [www.sportsgrid.com image 630x354]
And look who's a game out of the lead in the Big Ten?

Seriously, how this guy isn't in the discussion for national COTY every year is beyond me.


I'm guessing Wisconsin being the poster boys of unwatchable college basketball systems is part of it.
 
2013-02-28 04:25:33 PM  

FriarReb98: Said it long ago - if it does happen, I hope to God it's the dookies.


I hope it's Gonzaga. So many people on my FB on that bandwagon.

/went to college near Spokane
//not to Gonzaga, though
///it's cool, our school won the Division I football championship, you f*cks couldn't be bothered to show up for the playoff run. But hey, go watch NOT EVEN YOUR OWN SCHOOL get bounced early in the tournament after talking about how awesome they are all year.
 
2013-02-28 04:32:02 PM  
Anyone catch the Oklahoma Texas game last night?

Texas, at home, put on a huge run to come back from being down 20 or so points with 10 or so minutes left, tied it at the buzzer, and went on to win in OT.

All in front of a half-empty crowd, since everyone left when they were down big.
 
2013-02-28 05:44:19 PM  

GQueue: Coach_J: And this is why Michigan has zero chance to win the NCAA.

Eventually their bad team defense and "live by the 3, die by the 3" offensive philosophy will catch up to them.

Have a bad shooting night when you are that dependent on the 3-point shot for points and even a mediocre team can take you down.

Last night really had nothing to do with the three point shot (for Michigan's offense at least; Penn State isn't a good shooting team and shot 50% from 3).  They weren't hitting at their usual clip on 3s but still had a 56% eFG%, which should be more than enough to win a game against Penn State.  The problem was their defense was absolutely atrocious, pretty much their worst performance of the season, and they turned it over far more than they usually do.


Michigan averages 20 three attempts per game.  Last night they shot 20 threes.

Their make average is 40%...that would be 8 makes out of 20.  Instead made 5...that would be 25%.

If they shot their average, they would have made 3 more threes, for a total of 9 more points.

They lost by eight.

Thanks for playing.
 
2013-02-28 05:51:37 PM  

japlemon: [www.sportsgrid.com image 630x354]
And look who's a game out of the lead in the Big Ten?

Seriously, how this guy isn't in the discussion for national COTY every year is beyond me.


Two reasons.

1)  He's a world class asshole and voting for those awards is a lot of media politics.

2)  His style of basketball only works with Big Ten refs who for some unexplained reason, allow his team to clutch, grab and hack for 40 minutes a night, well beyond Big Ten officiating "norms", especially at home.

There is a reason why Wisconsin consistently over time underachieves in the NCAA tourney...they eventually draw a crew from a conference (usually West Coast based) who rightly so won't put up with that shiat like B10, A10 and BE refs routinely do and they get bounced early.
 
2013-02-28 06:36:19 PM  

Coach_J: GQueue: Coach_J: And this is why Michigan has zero chance to win the NCAA.

Eventually their bad team defense and "live by the 3, die by the 3" offensive philosophy will catch up to them.

Have a bad shooting night when you are that dependent on the 3-point shot for points and even a mediocre team can take you down.

Last night really had nothing to do with the three point shot (for Michigan's offense at least; Penn State isn't a good shooting team and shot 50% from 3).  They weren't hitting at their usual clip on 3s but still had a 56% eFG%, which should be more than enough to win a game against Penn State.  The problem was their defense was absolutely atrocious, pretty much their worst performance of the season, and they turned it over far more than they usually do.

Michigan averages 20 three attempts per game.  Last night they shot 20 threes.

Their make average is 40%...that would be 8 makes out of 20.  Instead made 5...that would be 25%.

If they shot their average, they would have made 3 more threes, for a total of 9 more points.

They lost by eight.

Thanks for playing.


Sorry...they lost by six, not by eight.
 
2013-02-28 06:56:57 PM  

Coach_J: Michigan averages 20 three attempts per game. Last night they shot 20 threes.

Their make average is 40%...that would be 8 makes out of 20. Instead made 5...that would be 25%.


They gave up 1.22 points per possession to the worst offense in the Big Ten, only averaging 0.87 points per possession in conference play, while Michigan's offense put up about its average in-conference efficiency on the night.  The loss is pretty much entirely on the atrocious defense.  Their point total should have been good enough to win with even a defensive effort that was merely bad.
 
2013-02-28 10:53:29 PM  

GQueue: japlemon: [www.sportsgrid.com image 630x354]
And look who's a game out of the lead in the Big Ten?

Seriously, how this guy isn't in the discussion for national COTY every year is beyond me.

I'm guessing Wisconsin being the poster boys of unwatchable college basketball systems is part of it.



Yeah such a pain when a team plays defense.  I enjoy Wisconsin basketball.  It is always interesting to watch Bo Ryan take teams that supposedly have no talent and make them competitive against anyone.   Ryan would have a far worse record if other coaches realized that 50% of the game is defense.  If you had to pick one team that you did not have to play in Big 10 play it would be Wisconsin under Ryan, best winning percentage in the Big 10 play, only coach with a winning record on the road in Big 10 play, and doing it with a team made up of recruits that never break into the top half of the Big 10 says a lot.

If you don't like defense go watch the NBA. If you want to see players actually playing both ends of the court or if you want to learn how to play basketball watch Wisconsin.


COTY is the best coach in the country, Ryan takes what everyone says is a turd and polishes it into one of the best basketball teams in the country year in and year out.  This year that turd was fresh, wet, and smelly at the start of the year and come the end of the year it is just as shiny as ever.  The only reason Ryan is not being mentioned more for COTY is because now people expect that turd to be shiny when he is coaching.
 
2013-03-01 01:41:29 AM  

kdawg7736: Congrats to PSU basketball. I remember when I was a student there and stormed the court after they beat Michigan St. in 2008 and Illinois in 2009. Maybe this will build momentum for the rest of this season and into next...


This is going to sound butthurt, because it is, but fark Penn State and that game.  PSU shot 51 free throws off of 31 "fouls" that MSU was called for. 4 MSU players fouled out of the game and it was not MSU trying to get back in it, the ref's called every one of them, and 60% were bs.  One of the biggest screw jobs and worst officiating events in history, but I am glad you can look back on that and smile.  Because there is a whole lot of other buttrape in your schools history that you could also look back on.
 
2013-03-01 10:09:25 AM  

GQueue: japlemon: [www.sportsgrid.com image 630x354]
And look who's a game out of the lead in the Big Ten?

Seriously, how this guy isn't in the discussion for national COTY every year is beyond me.

I'm guessing Wisconsin being the poster boys of unwatchable college basketball systems is part of it.


Yes, because watching constant turnovers and bad shots is good basketball.  We agree to disagree, I guess
 
2013-03-01 11:53:12 AM  

Cucumber_Breath: kdawg7736: Congrats to PSU basketball. I remember when I was a student there and stormed the court after they beat Michigan St. in 2008 and Illinois in 2009. Maybe this will build momentum for the rest of this season and into next...

This is going to sound butthurt, because it is, but fark Penn State and that game.  PSU shot 51 free throws off of 31 "fouls" that MSU was called for. 4 MSU players fouled out of the game and it was not MSU trying to get back in it, the ref's called every one of them, and 60% were bs.  One of the biggest screw jobs and worst officiating events in history, but I am glad you can look back on that and smile.  Because there is a whole lot of other buttrape in your schools history that you could also look back on.


Seriously. This whle scandla thing is old now. I hate how all of you FARKers just want to be mean and keep bringing this up. The people involved are gone, we are recovering from this incident. But just like the folks from home tell me, just ignore all of this negativity from you people as the bad press will all blow over in a year or so.
 
2013-03-01 12:50:45 PM  

kdawg7736: Cucumber_Breath: kdawg7736: Congrats to PSU basketball. I remember when I was a student there and stormed the court after they beat Michigan St. in 2008 and Illinois in 2009. Maybe this will build momentum for the rest of this season and into next...

This is going to sound butthurt, because it is, but fark Penn State and that game.  PSU shot 51 free throws off of 31 "fouls" that MSU was called for. 4 MSU players fouled out of the game and it was not MSU trying to get back in it, the ref's called every one of them, and 60% were bs.  One of the biggest screw jobs and worst officiating events in history, but I am glad you can look back on that and smile.  Because there is a whole lot of other buttrape in your schools history that you could also look back on.

Seriously. This whle scandla thing is old now. I hate how all of you FARKers just want to be mean and keep bringing this up. The people involved are gone, we are recovering from this incident. But just like the folks from home tell me, just ignore all of this negativity from you people as the bad press will all blow over in a year or so.


I was out of line with my last comment.  I am sorry.  But I am still pissed about that game!
 
2013-03-01 01:50:19 PM  

Cucumber_Breath: kdawg7736: Congrats to PSU basketball. I remember when I was a student there and stormed the court after they beat Michigan St. in 2008 and Illinois in 2009. Maybe this will build momentum for the rest of this season and into next...

This is going to sound butthurt, because it is, but fark Penn State and that game.  PSU shot 51 free throws off of 31 "fouls" that MSU was called for. 4 MSU players fouled out of the game and it was not MSU trying to get back in it, the ref's called every one of them, and 60% were bs.  One of the biggest screw jobs and worst officiating events in history, but I am glad you can look back on that and smile.  Because there is a whole lot of other buttrape in your schools history that you could also look back on.


That's cute.  Check this box score of a game that mattered a little more:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/men/boxscores/20 01 /03/25/iae_aaq/
 
2013-03-02 10:55:07 AM  

japlemon: Yes, because watching constant turnovers and bad shots is good basketball. We agree to disagree, I guess


You can play at a normal pace and not have constant turnovers and bad shots.  Add in a defense that plays the old Riley-ball of "the refs can't/won't call everything so we may as well grab and bump guys all the time" that was killing the NBA and there's a reason that almost everyone who actually likes basketball thinks they're terrible to watch.  They're the basketball equivalent of the soccer team that puts 10 or 11 behind the ball and hopes for one goal on the counter before shutting it down entirely.
 
2013-03-02 11:09:43 AM  

GQueue: Coach_J: Michigan averages 20 three attempts per game. Last night they shot 20 threes.

Their make average is 40%...that would be 8 makes out of 20. Instead made 5...that would be 25%.

They gave up 1.22 points per possession to the worst offense in the Big Ten, only averaging 0.87 points per possession in conference play, while Michigan's offense put up about its average in-conference efficiency on the night.  The loss is pretty much entirely on the atrocious defense.  Their point total should have been good enough to win with even a defensive effort that was merely bad.


In a word, no.

25% 3pt makes isn't their average and it's beyond obvious that you aren't putting up their offensive PPP as well...cause it completely counters your "pretty much entirely" comment.

Bad defensive + poor 3 point shooting = UM loss
 
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