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(Daytona Beach News-Journal)   If a shoplifter is getting away, it makes perfect sense to fire a few rounds to "mark his car" because Florida   (news-journalonline.com) divider line 46
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2013-02-28 10:48:41 AM
7 votes:

GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?

What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.


Um, that'd be a no.  Saw that on the news last night and when they said he was facing felony charges, I said "good".

Of course, I'm one of the traitorous pro-gunners who doesn't have a problem with more extensive background checks and licensing.  I would also love a written test to be added to the concealed handgun course that had questions similar to this situation.  "Is Jose justified in firing off rounds into Eddie's car as he flees?"  If you don't pass the farking test, you don't get the license.
2013-02-28 10:04:35 AM
7 votes:
i49.tinypic.com
2013-02-28 11:54:00 AM
3 votes:

GoldSpider: GAT_00: What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.

Elsewhere in the thread, nobody is defending this jackhole's reckless and dangerous use of a firearm.


They're going to show off their stramwan collection come hell or high water.
2013-02-28 11:23:22 AM
3 votes:

dahmers love zombie: GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?

What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.

Um, that'd be a no.  Saw that on the news last night and when they said he was facing felony charges, I said "good".

Of course, I'm one of the traitorous pro-gunners who doesn't have a problem with more extensive background checks and licensing.  I would also love a written test to be added to the concealed handgun course that had questions similar to this situation.  "Is Jose justified in firing off rounds into Eddie's car as he flees?"  If you don't pass the farking test, you don't get the license.


Question 2: You see a man in a parking lot shooting at a car traveling away from him. Do you:

A) draw your weapon and fire at the car?
B) draw your weapon and fire at the shooter?
C) draw your weapon and ask the shooter why he's firing at the car?
D) start to wonder why either of you is carrying a gun?
2013-02-28 10:15:06 AM
3 votes:
Meanwhile, on Planet Bootstrappy:

Awesome shot, Jose!  You blew that guy's brains out with one shot!...over $200 in meat...from the wealthiest multinational chain...so instead of getting charged with a minor misdemeanor, he's dead.  You sure showed him!  Maybe Walmart will make everything a Blue Light Special for you!

FTFA:

"His life was not in immediate danger so he was not in fear for his life nor was he trying to defend someone else whose life is being threatened," Sampsell said. "There was no justification for the shooting."

What the hell is happening to this country.  A man can't shoot at a stranger in a crowded parking lot for no reason?  Thanks a lot, Obama.
2013-02-28 10:06:16 AM
3 votes:
Another responsible gun owner stands up for his rights!
2013-02-28 12:43:00 PM
2 votes:

highbrow45: Amos Quito: The shoplifter?

[www.bustedmugshots.com image 270x341]

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

RETAIL THEFT-MERCHANT 2ND OFFENSE  (FELONY)

OBTAIN PROP FOR WORTHLESS CK

UTTERING A FORGED CHECK-PRIN

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

GRAND THEFT THIRD DEGREE

RBC- PETIT THEFT

 Each link to a separate mugshot / incident

None of those crimes carry the death penalty as far as I know... Maybe in Florida they do.


The criminal decides what his life is worth.
2013-02-28 12:21:36 PM
2 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: Martinez, who has a concealed weapons license, was not justified opening fire in a busy shopping parking lot in the middle of the day, Sampsell said.


www.neontommy.com
2013-02-28 12:06:49 PM
2 votes:

Private_Citizen: Best part of TFA:
Shoplifter charged with misdemeanor.
Shooter charged with felony.



As it should be.
2013-02-28 12:03:39 PM
2 votes:
ts2.mm.bing.net
2013-02-28 11:46:35 AM
2 votes:
This guy needs his CCW permit revoked.
2013-02-28 11:46:27 AM
2 votes:
F*cking license plates, how do they work?
2013-02-28 10:38:56 AM
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?


What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.
2013-03-01 12:54:28 AM
1 votes:
The danger of this kind of bullshiat was clearly explained to us in my CCW class.  They told a story about a guy, CCW holder, filling up his car at a truck stop gas station.  He hears a lady screaming and looks over to see her running between tractor trailers, running for her life.  He sees a guy chasing her with a gun in his hand, aiming it in her direction, quite a ways behind her but also running through the trailers.  He pulls out his gun and shoots the guy dead.

What he didn't see was the lady's boyfriend/husband/whatever chasing her with a knife only steps behind her.  The guy "chasing" her with the gun was another CCW holder trying to save the lady from the knife wielding maniac.   Guy goes from white knight hero to serving time for murder.

I dunno if it's a true story but it drove the point home.  Don't pull out your gun on an assumption, even if it seems really obvious what's going on.
2013-02-28 03:18:41 PM
1 votes:

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Dimensio: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??

It means he committed a felony you idiot.

My point is that he shouldn't be charged with anything but instead be praised for attempting to protect the store from theft of a career criminal that is a waste of life. Now who's the idiot? You

Your attempt at "trolling" is a failure. While you may believe that you are accurately characterizing a majority of civilian firearm ownership rights advocates in your attempt at mockery, you are instead presenting the "strawman" misrepresentation dishonestly presented by many civilian disarmament advocates and, as such, your are exposing yourself as a "troll".

There is no trolling, just responding in kind to nasty and sarcastic remarks with nasty and sarcastic remarks. I guess if that makes one a troll, well so be it...

I stand behind my defense of the shooter


Your continued insistence of seriousness demonstrates desperation. You have convinced no one that you are serious in your defense.

You are evidently of the belief that a substantial majority of concealed weapons permit holders would believe the shooter's action justified. Such a false belief is common amongst civilian disarmament advocates, who consistently prove themselves dishonest and ignorant. Through incompetently attempting to pose as a defender of the shooter, you are exposing yourself as a civilian disarmament advocate.
2013-02-28 03:18:37 PM
1 votes:

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Third, if the guy had hit a bystander, maybe your argument would carry weight, and he would be in the wrong. However, he did not which makes it a moot point.


So I can drive drunk as long as I don't actually damage any property or injure/kill another person?
2013-02-28 03:10:07 PM
1 votes:

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??

It means he committed a felony you idiot.

My point is that he shouldn't be charged with anything but instead be praised for attempting to protect the store from theft of a career criminal that is a waste of life. Now who's the idiot? You


Your attempt at "trolling" is a failure. While you may believe that you are accurately characterizing a majority of civilian firearm ownership rights advocates in your attempt at mockery, you are instead presenting the "strawman" misrepresentation dishonestly presented by many civilian disarmament advocates and, as such, your are exposing yourself as a "troll".
2013-02-28 03:07:41 PM
1 votes:

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??

It means he committed a felony you idiot.

My point is that he shouldn't be charged with anything but instead be praised for attempting to protect the store from theft of a career criminal that is a waste of life. Now who's the idiot? You


I commend you for your trolling.  In case you really do have the IQ of a stump, the reason why it's a crime to shoot a weapon in a public area is that it's possible that you could accidentally shoot some innocent people.  You know, public endangerment.  This is of course aside from the fact that the guy who committed the felony is neither a police officer, nor Batman, and was not threatened in any way by the thief and had no justification for taking out, let alone firing, his gun.  Even if he were Batman, we all know that Batman prefers non-lethal tactics and doesn't like guns, so he's doing a very poor job of being Batman and that in itself should be a crime.
2013-02-28 01:46:35 PM
1 votes:
Also FTA:  "His life was not in immediate danger so he was not in fear for his life nor was he trying to defend someone else whose life is being threatened," Sampsell said. "There was no justification for the shooting."

So then if a third party with a CCW was walking into the Wal-Mart, and noticed this guy firing away at the shoplifter, it seems like he would be within in his rights to draw down on him and start firing away ("to defend someone else whose life is being threatened").  Right?
2013-02-28 01:23:48 PM
1 votes:

Spartapuss: Benjamin Orr:
In TN you have to fire a total of 50 rounds from 3,7 and 15 yards and hit with 70% accuracy. Not just the paper but the center mass area.

In addition to all of the legal discussions about when you can shoot.
Could a person apply for the Florida permit that's recognized by Tennessee and bypass the stricter course?


Once you move to TN you have six months grace to get a TN permit. After that you are breaking the law.
2013-02-28 12:56:00 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: The course also requires demonstration of firearm proficiency by way of firing twenty shots at a target at 20 feet (many courses set the target at 21 feet due to the range measuring distance in yards) with a minimum of 55% accuracy (shots must hit the target itself, not just the paper upon which the target is marked). I had thought this accuracy test to be too lenient, but it is evidently more stringent than is the requirement of Florida.


Remember, it's Florida -- we give driver licenses to blind people.  I am not joking.  My mom-in-law is legally blind in one eye and has a cataract in the other.  Her doc cleared her for driving because the doctors are well-aware that if they get a reputation for pulling licenses from the old people, their practices will dry up.  So we have old people driving blind to the gun store and taking the CCW course.  Now, if they PASS it, they'll go buy a $500 gun from the gun store.  If they fail it, they won't.
2013-02-28 12:50:03 PM
1 votes:
I believe the real mystery here is how the shooter got his hands on 9MM ammo.  That shiat is SCARCE.
2013-02-28 12:42:17 PM
1 votes:

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.



At least put some effort into it.
2013-02-28 12:41:05 PM
1 votes:

Benjamin Orr: SGecko: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.

The problem isn't so much that he shot in the direction of the thief so much as he was shooting in the Walmart parking lot for no good reason. He could have killed someone besides the shoplifter. Did you even think about what you typed before posting it?!

No... The problem is that he started shooting at all. $200 of Walmart property (which he left in the store btw) is not a valid reason to open fire.


its all moot anyway.. the BIGGER issue as I see it is this..

"Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in. And when he could not stop Mckee who entered his car to get away, Martinez pulled out his 9 mm handgun, Sampsell said."
2013-02-28 12:40:13 PM
1 votes:
Can we agree that this man should never, EVER, be allowed to own a firearm ever again?
2013-02-28 12:35:02 PM
1 votes:
If only there were some type of alphanumeric placard on vehicles that would enable the average person to easily identify and distinguish it from another.

/average walmart shopper d'oh
2013-02-28 12:21:27 PM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Martinez, who has a concealed weapons license, was not justified opening fire in a busy shopping parking lot in the middle of the day, Sampsell said.

Bahahahaha

Hey guys, you NEVER see a concealed carrier acting recklessly. Just try to find me some examples you can't! In your face, coward libs.


Well, I dunno about FL, but Texas actually directed its police regulatory organization to keep track of convictions for CCP holders and compare them to convictions for the general population.

While they're not perfect saints or anything, generally speaking CCP holders commit an order of magnitude fewer crimes than the general population at most.

Here's 2011's report:   http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport201 1 .pdf

For reference, there are 450k to 500k licensed carriers in Texas, and TX has a population of about 15 million that's over 18 (couldn't find the number over 21, which is the actual demographic allowed to get a license.  So a proportional crime rate for CCP holders would in this case be about 3%, give or take some rounding.

Again, this is TX, not Florida, but statistically CCP folk are in fact a significantly smaller crime risk than the general population.

//Obviously, the exceptions are "unlawful carry by a licensed carrier", which you can't really commit without being licensed.
2013-02-28 12:18:09 PM
1 votes:
FTA:

Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in. And when he could not stop Mckee who entered his car to get away, Martinez pulled out his 9 mm handgun, Sampsell said.

"He fired at the car a minimum of four times," Sampsell said.


I sure wouldn't want that guy around if, say, I'd forgotten my credit card at the cashier station:

Store Employee (running after me):  "Sir! Sir!  You need to stop sir!"
Me:  (distractedly starts to drive away)
CCW Genius:  "Let me help!"  *Blam Blam Blam Blam!*
2013-02-28 12:12:28 PM
1 votes:

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.


The problem isn't so much that he shot in the direction of the thief so much as he was shooting in the Walmart parking lot for no good reason. He could have killed someone besides the shoplifter. Did you even think about what you typed before posting it?!
2013-02-28 12:11:28 PM
1 votes:

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.


Please don't ever stop speaking. I can think of no better advocate for gun control.
2013-02-28 12:03:52 PM
1 votes:
Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in. And when he could not stop Mckee who entered his car to get away, Martinez pulled out his 9 mm handgun, Sampsell said.

... well, I for one feel safer now that this guy is gonna have a criminal conviction on his record and won't be allowed to carry a gun ever again.

Is there any way we can get him banned from operating cars and heavy equipment while we're at it?
2013-02-28 12:03:08 PM
1 votes:
Best part of TFA:
Shoplifter charged with misdemeanor.
Shooter charged with felony.
2013-02-28 12:02:27 PM
1 votes:
Everyone relax! He's just a well-regulated militia member. It's cool.
2013-02-28 11:57:43 AM
1 votes:

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.


Is this a Linux_yes alt troll account?
2013-02-28 11:57:21 AM
1 votes:
If we had more people like that people would think twice about shoplifting.
2013-02-28 11:53:05 AM
1 votes:

The Slush: F*cking license plates, how do they work?


I wonder if anyone (reporters, cops, etc) asked him why he didn't just write down the license plate number.  Maybe he didn't realize that license plate numbers are unique.
2013-02-28 11:51:54 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.


Elsewhere in the thread, nobody is defending this jackhole's reckless and dangerous use of a firearm.
2013-02-28 11:47:34 AM
1 votes:
Sounds like a strained interpretation of Joe Biden's advice to either shoot a gun in the air from your porch, or shoot through the door.  Marking a shoplifter's car isn't that much of a stretch is it?
2013-02-28 11:45:41 AM
1 votes:
`Excuse me - where's the washroom?'
*BLAM-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM*
`It's that there door with the smokin' bullet-holes.'

/endorsed by the NRA
2013-02-28 11:45:24 AM
1 votes:
Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in.

Martinez was hoping he'd finally get to shoot someone.
2013-02-28 11:32:32 AM
1 votes:
How does someone who has a CCP think that is an acceptable situation to brandish and discharge a weapon? In most classes, that kind of situation is repeatedly drilled into your head as not acceptable.

However, I agree the class needs to be considerably harder and way less political in its contents. Considering we all took the written test "as a group," that part and the firing 30-50 rounds part was a joke.

I think there should also be a short online written test (or something) every year you have to pass to show you are aware of any new changes to the law and refresh your memory. I don't care if that test is hard or easy, as its main purpose is to bring attention to the information.

Oh and while I'm on my soapbox, an official website that lists all the rules and differences in CCP laws from state to state. Researching and parsing some of the variances can be unnecessarily time consuming when preparing for a trip.
2013-02-28 11:30:19 AM
1 votes:
How the hell did this dumbshiat receive a CCW permit? Does Florida just give them to anyone that asks for one? What the hell is wrong with the south?
2013-02-28 11:11:35 AM
1 votes:
Idk about Florida law, but SC confiscates cars used in shoplifting cases, so he got lucky they didn't charge him with damaging police property.  I am glad MI makes classes for a CCW permit mandatory.
2013-02-28 10:55:05 AM
1 votes:

dahmers love zombie: Of course, I'm one of the traitorous pro-gunners who doesn't have a problem with more extensive background checks and licensing.


I have it on good FARK authority that, for believing in any form of licensing, we're not just traitors but also idiots.  If only we had examples of too many idiots or maniacs acting dangerously with guns, instead of nothing but a gigantic, disorganized mess of isolated incidents.
2013-02-28 10:33:26 AM
1 votes:
No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?
2013-02-28 10:03:55 AM
1 votes:
What? He was friggin standing his ground! What good does it do to actually have good gun laws in Florida, and not use them when a citizen-hero seeks to protect the rest of us?
 
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