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(Daytona Beach News-Journal)   If a shoplifter is getting away, it makes perfect sense to fire a few rounds to "mark his car" because Florida   (news-journalonline.com ) divider line
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2013-02-28 10:03:55 AM  
What? He was friggin standing his ground! What good does it do to actually have good gun laws in Florida, and not use them when a citizen-hero seeks to protect the rest of us?
 
2013-02-28 10:04:35 AM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-28 10:06:16 AM  
Another responsible gun owner stands up for his rights!
 
2013-02-28 10:15:06 AM  
Meanwhile, on Planet Bootstrappy:

Awesome shot, Jose!  You blew that guy's brains out with one shot!...over $200 in meat...from the wealthiest multinational chain...so instead of getting charged with a minor misdemeanor, he's dead.  You sure showed him!  Maybe Walmart will make everything a Blue Light Special for you!

FTFA:

"His life was not in immediate danger so he was not in fear for his life nor was he trying to defend someone else whose life is being threatened," Sampsell said. "There was no justification for the shooting."

What the hell is happening to this country.  A man can't shoot at a stranger in a crowded parking lot for no reason?  Thanks a lot, Obama.
 
2013-02-28 10:28:10 AM  
Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in.

Look, when you see someone being chased you don't stop to ask a bunch of silly questions or consider the consequences.
 
2013-02-28 10:30:20 AM  
Damn, I sure feel much safer with people like this around!
 
2013-02-28 10:33:26 AM  
No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?
 
2013-02-28 10:38:02 AM  
Yippee-ki-yay, f*cking moron
 
2013-02-28 10:38:56 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?


What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.
 
2013-02-28 10:48:41 AM  

GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?

What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.


Um, that'd be a no.  Saw that on the news last night and when they said he was facing felony charges, I said "good".

Of course, I'm one of the traitorous pro-gunners who doesn't have a problem with more extensive background checks and licensing.  I would also love a written test to be added to the concealed handgun course that had questions similar to this situation.  "Is Jose justified in firing off rounds into Eddie's car as he flees?"  If you don't pass the farking test, you don't get the license.
 
2013-02-28 10:55:05 AM  

dahmers love zombie: Of course, I'm one of the traitorous pro-gunners who doesn't have a problem with more extensive background checks and licensing.


I have it on good FARK authority that, for believing in any form of licensing, we're not just traitors but also idiots.  If only we had examples of too many idiots or maniacs acting dangerously with guns, instead of nothing but a gigantic, disorganized mess of isolated incidents.
 
2013-02-28 10:55:14 AM  
Someone needs to stop watching action movies
 
2013-02-28 11:11:35 AM  
Idk about Florida law, but SC confiscates cars used in shoplifting cases, so he got lucky they didn't charge him with damaging police property.  I am glad MI makes classes for a CCW permit mandatory.
 
2013-02-28 11:23:22 AM  

dahmers love zombie: GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?

What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.

Um, that'd be a no.  Saw that on the news last night and when they said he was facing felony charges, I said "good".

Of course, I'm one of the traitorous pro-gunners who doesn't have a problem with more extensive background checks and licensing.  I would also love a written test to be added to the concealed handgun course that had questions similar to this situation.  "Is Jose justified in firing off rounds into Eddie's car as he flees?"  If you don't pass the farking test, you don't get the license.


Question 2: You see a man in a parking lot shooting at a car traveling away from him. Do you:

A) draw your weapon and fire at the car?
B) draw your weapon and fire at the shooter?
C) draw your weapon and ask the shooter why he's firing at the car?
D) start to wonder why either of you is carrying a gun?
 
2013-02-28 11:28:39 AM  
Hmmm...a man with a Hispanic name pulls a gun in a crowded shopping plaza.


I'd say he's pretty lucky no cops were around.

/thumbs up, America!
 
2013-02-28 11:30:19 AM  
How the hell did this dumbshiat receive a CCW permit? Does Florida just give them to anyone that asks for one? What the hell is wrong with the south?
 
2013-02-28 11:32:32 AM  
How does someone who has a CCP think that is an acceptable situation to brandish and discharge a weapon? In most classes, that kind of situation is repeatedly drilled into your head as not acceptable.

However, I agree the class needs to be considerably harder and way less political in its contents. Considering we all took the written test "as a group," that part and the firing 30-50 rounds part was a joke.

I think there should also be a short online written test (or something) every year you have to pass to show you are aware of any new changes to the law and refresh your memory. I don't care if that test is hard or easy, as its main purpose is to bring attention to the information.

Oh and while I'm on my soapbox, an official website that lists all the rules and differences in CCP laws from state to state. Researching and parsing some of the variances can be unnecessarily time consuming when preparing for a trip.
 
2013-02-28 11:44:35 AM  

PapaChester: How the hell did this dumbshiat receive a CCW permit? Does Florida just give them to anyone that asks for one? What the hell is wrong with the south?


In the case of Florida, I'm guessing there's something in the water.
 
2013-02-28 11:45:24 AM  
Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in.

Martinez was hoping he'd finally get to shoot someone.
 
2013-02-28 11:45:41 AM  
`Excuse me - where's the washroom?'
*BLAM-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM*
`It's that there door with the smokin' bullet-holes.'

/endorsed by the NRA
 
2013-02-28 11:45:52 AM  
Do they still use the "Alligator ate my Brain" defense anymore in Florida.  This guy could use it.  And a five minute head start.
 
2013-02-28 11:46:27 AM  
F*cking license plates, how do they work?
 
2013-02-28 11:46:35 AM  
This guy needs his CCW permit revoked.
 
2013-02-28 11:47:14 AM  
Great article ... doesn't even mention if he actually marked the car or if it did help the police find it!!
 
2013-02-28 11:47:34 AM  
Sounds like a strained interpretation of Joe Biden's advice to either shoot a gun in the air from your porch, or shoot through the door.  Marking a shoplifter's car isn't that much of a stretch is it?
 
2013-02-28 11:50:53 AM  

oldfarthenry: `Excuse me - where's the washroom?'
*BLAM-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM*
`It's that there door with the smokin' bullet-holes.'

/endorsed by the NRA


that made me chuckle, but seriously who would want to venture into a Florida Wal-mart w/out a weapon of some sort?
 
2013-02-28 11:51:54 AM  

GAT_00: What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.


Elsewhere in the thread, nobody is defending this jackhole's reckless and dangerous use of a firearm.
 
2013-02-28 11:52:15 AM  

chiett: This guy needs his CCW permit revoked.


captainobvious.jpg
 
2013-02-28 11:52:30 AM  
Seems like a perfectly proportionate response..
 
2013-02-28 11:52:42 AM  

born_yesterday


Meanwhile, on Planet Bootstrappy:

Awesome shot, Jose!


Would anyone on Planet Bootstrappy ever pay a compliment to someone named Jose?
 
2013-02-28 11:53:05 AM  

The Slush: F*cking license plates, how do they work?


I wonder if anyone (reporters, cops, etc) asked him why he didn't just write down the license plate number.  Maybe he didn't realize that license plate numbers are unique.
 
2013-02-28 11:54:00 AM  

GoldSpider: GAT_00: What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.

Elsewhere in the thread, nobody is defending this jackhole's reckless and dangerous use of a firearm.


They're going to show off their stramwan collection come hell or high water.
 
2013-02-28 11:54:43 AM  
The thief decides what his life is worth, not the person who kills said thief.
 
2013-02-28 11:55:09 AM  

chiett: This guy needs his CCW permit revoked.


The revocation of the permit will be automatic once he's convicted of the felonies.
 
2013-02-28 11:56:26 AM  
I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.
 
2013-02-28 11:56:50 AM  
Enjoy your felony time in prison and never being able to legally own a gun again dumbass.
 
2013-02-28 11:57:21 AM  
If we had more people like that people would think twice about shoplifting.
 
2013-02-28 11:57:43 AM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.


Is this a Linux_yes alt troll account?
 
2013-02-28 11:58:43 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?


We don't want to lose our CCWs or handguns. Also, I'm hiding in California. It's safer here.

chiett: This guy needs his CCW permit revoked.


I was kind of wanting to take a look at their test out there, because apparently it's incredibly easy. Do they even have one to get a CCW? I had to take training and a test and demonstrate a need for one to get a CCW, but I still needed to have it signed off on by the sheriff's department. I've heard, but am not sure if it is true or not, that in some areas you just need the sheriff's department or someone else with the authority under local laws to sign off on it, no training or testing involved. That's scarier than a test so easy it lets a dumbfark like dude in TFA legally carry a concealed weapon.

/I'm cool with open carry
//I wanna know who to aim at first
 
2013-02-28 11:59:52 AM  
All he did by punching holes in the shoplifters car was give them "street cred"
 
2013-02-28 12:00:21 PM  

GoldSpider: GAT_00: What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.

Elsewhere in the thread, nobody is defending this jackhole's reckless and dangerous use of a firearm.


Eh, I'll almost defend him, there are angles that risk less injury to bystanders. And trying to help guard/police should mitigate.

But I doubt he fired carefully.
 
2013-02-28 12:00:23 PM  
Awwwwww, poor shoplifter.

We need to ban guns NOW!

Think of the criminals!
 
2013-02-28 12:00:58 PM  

cig-mkr: All he did by punching holes in the shoplifters car was give them "street cred"


Rednecks down here used to put fake bullet hole stickers on their trucks.  I always wondered why they didn't just actually shoot at their trucks.
 
2013-02-28 12:01:07 PM  
I'm all for an I.Q. test and a sanity test of some sort every six months to make sure the gun owner is both intelligent enough to own a gun and respect it, and hasn't gone nuckfuts crazy in the past few months.

If you go into a test like that talking about being able to defend against commies, Arabs, space aliens, or zombies, you don't get a permit.

If you can't figure out basic logic and get at least a 105 I.Q. score, you don't get a permit.

If you're suffering from any major mental health issues, you don't get a permit.

If you're dumber than a Kardashian, you don't get a permit.

And I especially think that when someone with a CCP does this kind of Rambo bullshiat with his gun, he should  never be allowed to carry again. He should be permanently blacklisted, because he has shown he isn't smart enough, sane enough, or mature enough to handle the responsibility he has to the public when he's carrying.

I would love to see the shoplifter sue this guy for damages and win.
 
2013-02-28 12:02:20 PM  

cig-mkr


All he did by punching holes in the shoplifters car was give them "street cred"


Not true. They're speed holes; they make the car go faster.

24.media.tumblr.com


pic is borrowed
 
2013-02-28 12:02:26 PM  

PapaChester: How the hell did this dumbshiat receive a CCW permit? Does Florida just give them to anyone that asks for one? What the hell is wrong with the south?

fun facts
 
2013-02-28 12:02:27 PM  
Everyone relax! He's just a well-regulated militia member. It's cool.
 
2013-02-28 12:02:55 PM  
Martinez, who has a concealed weapons license, was not justified opening fire in a busy shopping parking lot in the middle of the day, Sampsell said.

Bahahahaha

Hey guys, you NEVER see a concealed carrier acting recklessly. Just try to find me some examples you can't! In your face, coward libs.
 
2013-02-28 12:03:08 PM  
Best part of TFA:
Shoplifter charged with misdemeanor.
Shooter charged with felony.
 
2013-02-28 12:03:39 PM  
ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2013-02-28 12:03:52 PM  
Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in. And when he could not stop Mckee who entered his car to get away, Martinez pulled out his 9 mm handgun, Sampsell said.

... well, I for one feel safer now that this guy is gonna have a criminal conviction on his record and won't be allowed to carry a gun ever again.

Is there any way we can get him banned from operating cars and heavy equipment while we're at it?
 
2013-02-28 12:03:56 PM  

Lochsteppe: The Slush: F*cking license plates, how do they work?

I wonder if anyone (reporters, cops, etc) asked him why he didn't just write down the license plate number.  Maybe he didn't realize that license plate numbers are unique.


Well, judging by his idiocy and state of residence, maybe he's just illiterate

But yeah, I'd like to know the answer to that question
 
2013-02-28 12:05:12 PM  

oldfarthenry: `Excuse me - where's the washroom?'
*BLAM-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM*
`It's that there door with the smokin' bullet-holes.'

/endorsed by the NRA


There you go again, blaming the NRA. Your ignorance is outstanding.
 
2013-02-28 12:06:02 PM  
JUSTICE FOR WAL-MART!
 
2013-02-28 12:06:27 PM  
Ah yes, idyllic Deltona -- the Mos Eisley Cantina of the Space Coast.
 
2013-02-28 12:06:49 PM  

Private_Citizen: Best part of TFA:
Shoplifter charged with misdemeanor.
Shooter charged with felony.



As it should be.
 
2013-02-28 12:08:29 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in. And when he could not stop Mckee who entered his car to get away, Martinez pulled out his 9 mm handgun, Sampsell said.

... well, I for one feel safer now that this guy is gonna have a criminal conviction on his record and won't be allowed to carry a gun ever again.

Is there any way we can get him banned from operating cars and heavy equipment while we're at it?


I think that's called a prison sentence.
 
2013-02-28 12:09:06 PM  
Those are speed holes. They makes the car go faster.

www.splittinghairs.org
 
2013-02-28 12:09:33 PM  

FARK rebel soldier: GoldSpider: GAT_00: What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.

Elsewhere in the thread, nobody is defending this jackhole's reckless and dangerous use of a firearm.

Eh, I'll almost defend him, there are angles that risk less injury to bystanders. And trying to help guard/police should mitigate.

But I doubt he fired carefully.


No... Just no. The thing that they spent the most time on during my CCW training was when you could shoot and when you could not shoot. The shooters life was not in danger and neither was anyone elses until the dumbass started shooting.
 
2013-02-28 12:10:03 PM  
"Martinez, who has had a concealed weapons license..."
 
2013-02-28 12:10:55 PM  

PapaChester: How the hell did this dumbshiat receive a CCW permit? Does Florida just give them to anyone that asks for one? What the hell is wrong with the south?


Yes, Florida gives them out to anyone. As a Florida resident, I can tell you that the process involves:
A) taking a class
B) filling out a form
C) sending in your paperwork along with a $120 check.

As far as the class goes, you can use the state-mandated hunter safety classes to meet that requirement. The class I took when I got my hunting license was about 6 hours of online lessons and testing - most of it centered around how to properly identify legal game - and a 4 hour classroom.

During the classroom component, I was required to fire two weapons - one shot from a .22 and one shell from a 12ga. Concealed carry was discussed not at all, other than the instructor telling us we could use the course to meet the requirement for a concealed carry permit.

So now you know.
 
2013-02-28 12:11:28 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.


Please don't ever stop speaking. I can think of no better advocate for gun control.
 
2013-02-28 12:12:28 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.


The problem isn't so much that he shot in the direction of the thief so much as he was shooting in the Walmart parking lot for no good reason. He could have killed someone besides the shoplifter. Did you even think about what you typed before posting it?!
 
2013-02-28 12:14:56 PM  
The article didn't say how the shoplifter was found.  Was it by holes in the vehicle?
 
2013-02-28 12:18:09 PM  
FTA:

Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in. And when he could not stop Mckee who entered his car to get away, Martinez pulled out his 9 mm handgun, Sampsell said.

"He fired at the car a minimum of four times," Sampsell said.


I sure wouldn't want that guy around if, say, I'd forgotten my credit card at the cashier station:

Store Employee (running after me):  "Sir! Sir!  You need to stop sir!"
Me:  (distractedly starts to drive away)
CCW Genius:  "Let me help!"  *Blam Blam Blam Blam!*
 
2013-02-28 12:18:33 PM  
Martinez, who has a concealed weapons license, was not justified opening fire in a busy shopping parking lot in the middle of the day, Sampsell said.

another example of a mature, responsible gun owner.

/roll eyes
 
2013-02-28 12:20:02 PM  
The only way to sop a good guy with a gun is with a gooder guy with a gun.
 
2013-02-28 12:20:37 PM  

justtray: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.

Please don't ever stop speaking. I can think of no better advocate for gun control.


I'm sure that was his intent.
 
2013-02-28 12:21:27 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Martinez, who has a concealed weapons license, was not justified opening fire in a busy shopping parking lot in the middle of the day, Sampsell said.

Bahahahaha

Hey guys, you NEVER see a concealed carrier acting recklessly. Just try to find me some examples you can't! In your face, coward libs.


Well, I dunno about FL, but Texas actually directed its police regulatory organization to keep track of convictions for CCP holders and compare them to convictions for the general population.

While they're not perfect saints or anything, generally speaking CCP holders commit an order of magnitude fewer crimes than the general population at most.

Here's 2011's report:   http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport201 1 .pdf

For reference, there are 450k to 500k licensed carriers in Texas, and TX has a population of about 15 million that's over 18 (couldn't find the number over 21, which is the actual demographic allowed to get a license.  So a proportional crime rate for CCP holders would in this case be about 3%, give or take some rounding.

Again, this is TX, not Florida, but statistically CCP folk are in fact a significantly smaller crime risk than the general population.

//Obviously, the exceptions are "unlawful carry by a licensed carrier", which you can't really commit without being licensed.
 
2013-02-28 12:21:36 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Martinez, who has a concealed weapons license, was not justified opening fire in a busy shopping parking lot in the middle of the day, Sampsell said.


www.neontommy.com
 
2013-02-28 12:21:42 PM  

tricycleracer: cig-mkr: All he did by punching holes in the shoplifters car was give them "street cred"

Rednecks down here used to put fake bullet hole stickers on their trucks.  I always wondered why they didn't just actually shoot at their trucks.


I'm from down here, and the PT Cruiser was most likely to have the bullet holes followed by trucks.
 
2013-02-28 12:22:05 PM  
The shooter was quoted as saying, "...this gun had a hold on me. I felt this incredible surge of power, like God must feel when he's holding a gun."
 
2013-02-28 12:22:08 PM  

SGecko: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.

The problem isn't so much that he shot in the direction of the thief so much as he was shooting in the Walmart parking lot for no good reason. He could have killed someone besides the shoplifter. Did you even think about what you typed before posting it?!


No... The problem is that he started shooting at all. $200 of Walmart property (which he left in the store btw) is not a valid reason to open fire.
 
2013-02-28 12:22:32 PM  

baronvonzipper: oldfarthenry: `Excuse me - where's the washroom?'
*BLAM-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM*
`It's that there door with the smokin' bullet-holes.'

/endorsed by the NRA

There you go again, blaming the NRA. Your ignorance is outstanding.


Oh Christ! You're not going crying to Ted Nugent - are you?
 
2013-02-28 12:24:17 PM  

Benjamin Orr: SGecko: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.

The problem isn't so much that he shot in the direction of the thief so much as he was shooting in the Walmart parking lot for no good reason. He could have killed someone besides the shoplifter. Did you even think about what you typed before posting it?!

No... The problem is that he started shooting at all. $200 of Walmart property (which he left in the store btw) is not a valid reason to open fire.


I agree. If no one is in danger, why escalate a situation?
 
2013-02-28 12:25:06 PM  
I have a dream most nights. It starts on a playground. There's kids swinging, laughing, dogs barking, butterflies just flapping their little wings. And then you hear a rumbling, and over the horizon comes a black cloud and it's made of cancer and pus. And it starts sweeping over the playground and everyone starts screaming and clawing their eyes and pulling at their hair, and saying "Help! What do we do?" And you know what happens next? Out steps me wielding the biggest farking shotgun you've ever seen in your whole life. And you know what I do? I blow every farking thing away. And I am getting God's work done. When it's all over and the dust has settled, the whole world gathers below me and they say, "Thank you, Ronnie, thank you for helping, being a great man and doing this for us." And you know what I say? "You don't need to thank me. I'm just a guy with a gun. I'm just a cop."
 
2013-02-28 12:25:10 PM  

GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?

What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.


No its not.

Stop talking out of your ass. It makes you look retarded.
 
2013-02-28 12:25:36 PM  

Spartapuss: PapaChester: How the hell did this dumbshiat receive a CCW permit? Does Florida just give them to anyone that asks for one? What the hell is wrong with the south?
fun facts


Fla CCW, the perfect way for non-Floridians to carry in yet a third state even though it isn't valid in their own state. What the fark?
 
2013-02-28 12:26:23 PM  

tricycleracer: cig-mkr: All he did by punching holes in the shoplifters car was give them "street cred"

Rednecks down here used to put fake bullet hole stickers on their trucks.  I always wondered why they didn't just actually shoot at their trucks.


I used to do that to people's cars... no one ever noticed... that was a waste of money... including the fake parking tickets and the tailpipe whistle...

I mean what the fark, the guy rolls down his window and drives away with his freaking car going WOOWOOWOO and he doesn't freaking hear it?  he freaking drives away with my goddamn tailpipe whistle, fake parking ticket and fake bullet hole!
 
2013-02-28 12:26:36 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: dahmers love zombie: GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?

What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.

Um, that'd be a no.  Saw that on the news last night and when they said he was facing felony charges, I said "good".

Of course, I'm one of the traitorous pro-gunners who doesn't have a problem with more extensive background checks and licensing.  I would also love a written test to be added to the concealed handgun course that had questions similar to this situation.  "Is Jose justified in firing off rounds into Eddie's car as he flees?"  If you don't pass the farking test, you don't get the license.

Question 2: You see a man in a parking lot shooting at a car traveling away from him. Do you:

A) draw your weapon and fire at the car?
B) draw your weapon and fire at the shooter?
C) draw your weapon and ask the shooter why he's firing at the car?
D) start to wonder why either of you is carrying a gun?


E.

Shoot the hostage.
 
2013-02-28 12:29:36 PM  
 
2013-02-28 12:32:41 PM  

cig-mkr: I'm from down here, and the PT Cruiser was most likely to have the bullet holes followed by trucks.


What? They going for this?
bobcb518.files.wordpress.com1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-28 12:33:06 PM  
This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.
 
2013-02-28 12:35:02 PM  
If only there were some type of alphanumeric placard on vehicles that would enable the average person to easily identify and distinguish it from another.

/average walmart shopper d'oh
 
2013-02-28 12:37:49 PM  
FTA:"Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in. And when he could not stop Mckee who entered his car to get away, Martinez pulled out his 9 mm handgun, Sampsell said. "

He was going for his hero tag, but forgot which state he lives in.

It seems there are a lot of people out there who want their "citizens arrest" cred for running down a shoplifter. They forget that the law still applies to them and assault, property damage and in this case weapons charges could easily be avoided by INFORMING the authorities rather than trying to become them. A witness is invaluable whereas an assailant means more paperwork.
 
2013-02-28 12:39:00 PM  

FARK rebel soldier: Spartapuss: PapaChester: How the hell did this dumbshiat receive a CCW permit? Does Florida just give them to anyone that asks for one? What the hell is wrong with the south?
fun facts

Fla CCW, the perfect way for non-Floridians to carry in yet a third state even though it isn't valid in their own state. What the fark?

d

This is part of the reason Cali doesn't recognize CCWs from any other state. You could have a CCW for any other state - or all of 'em that have them - and still wind up being charged in Cali. Well, charged or shot. You've surely noticed by now our cops like to shoot things (if they can hit them).
 
2013-02-28 12:39:37 PM  
It's ok, he was aiming for an unborn baby, so lefties should support this action because HURRRR
 
2013-02-28 12:40:02 PM  

jigger: SuperNinjaToad: Martinez, who has a concealed weapons license, was not justified opening fire in a busy shopping parking lot in the middle of the day, Sampsell said.

[www.neontommy.com image 580x378]


Good marksmanship.  He managed to hit a little bit under every sticker.
 
2013-02-28 12:40:07 PM  
When you say beacuse, it sounds reasonable.
 
2013-02-28 12:40:13 PM  
Can we agree that this man should never, EVER, be allowed to own a firearm ever again?
 
2013-02-28 12:40:28 PM  

born_yesterday: over $200 in meat...from the wealthiest multinational chain


CSB:  When I was 16ish, I had a part time job pushing carts for Wal*Mart.  One time, the alarm went off, and this guy just bolted.

And, for some reason I still can't explain, I bolted after him.

He's shedding consumer electronics the whole way.  I outran him by the end of the parking lit, and I grabbed him He begged me to let him go, I mean he was pissing his pants scared. I wouldn't. "Security," which consisted of the geriatric greeter and the pud-wacking assistant manager, finally caught up.

Looking back, it was stupid.  I could have been stabbed, or worse, and I helped to fark up some guys life by not turning the other cheek when he stole stuff that wasn't even mine to steal.  But, I was a teenager, acting on adrenaline.

My reward for all this?  $25 gift card.

I quit the next week.
 
2013-02-28 12:40:50 PM  
The problem with the necessity of gun ownership is that you can't screen out the people who would defend the shooter.
 
2013-02-28 12:41:05 PM  

Benjamin Orr: SGecko: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.

The problem isn't so much that he shot in the direction of the thief so much as he was shooting in the Walmart parking lot for no good reason. He could have killed someone besides the shoplifter. Did you even think about what you typed before posting it?!

No... The problem is that he started shooting at all. $200 of Walmart property (which he left in the store btw) is not a valid reason to open fire.


its all moot anyway.. the BIGGER issue as I see it is this..

"Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in. And when he could not stop Mckee who entered his car to get away, Martinez pulled out his 9 mm handgun, Sampsell said."
 
2013-02-28 12:41:45 PM  

Amos Quito: The shoplifter?

[www.bustedmugshots.com image 270x341]

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

RETAIL THEFT-MERCHANT 2ND OFFENSE  (FELONY)

OBTAIN PROP FOR WORTHLESS CK

UTTERING A FORGED CHECK-PRIN

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

GRAND THEFT THIRD DEGREE

RBC- PETIT THEFT

 Each link to a separate mugshot / incident


None of those crimes carry the death penalty as far as I know... Maybe in Florida they do.
 
2013-02-28 12:42:17 PM  

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.



At least put some effort into it.
 
2013-02-28 12:42:59 PM  

Elegy: PapaChester: How the hell did this dumbshiat receive a CCW permit? Does Florida just give them to anyone that asks for one? What the hell is wrong with the south?

Yes, Florida gives them out to anyone. As a Florida resident, I can tell you that the process involves:
A) taking a class
B) filling out a form
C) sending in your paperwork along with a $120 check.

As far as the class goes, you can use the state-mandated hunter safety classes to meet that requirement. The class I took when I got my hunting license was about 6 hours of online lessons and testing - most of it centered around how to properly identify legal game - and a 4 hour classroom.

During the classroom component, I was required to fire two weapons - one shot from a .22 and one shell from a 12ga. Concealed carry was discussed not at all, other than the instructor telling us we could use the course to meet the requirement for a concealed carry permit.

So now you know.


The CCW permit class is approximately as useful.  It's basically two hours of them going over the law, dumbed down to the 8th grade level necessary so that most people can "understand" it.  This is, in all likelihood, one of the reasons we have issues like this.  If you insisted that people be intelligent enough to be able to actually read and understand the statute itself, it would eliminate about 80% of potential permitholders.  A psychological test might be nice, too.  Weed out the people who test particularly high on Psychoticism, Aggression, and low self-control.

Oh, and in Florida's pretend CCW class you have to show "proficiency" with a weapon to get your CCW.  For my class, I had to shoot five rounds out of a Ruger Mark I.  A gun with zero concealableness to speak of, and pretty completely different than my carry gun (at that time a Glock 26).  We didn't have to hit the target.  Well, OK, we had to hit somewhere on the big sheet of paper.  But it wasn't necessary to hit the actual target rings.  Nor was there any need to show ability to draw from concealment.  Or effectively holster a weapon IN concealment.  In short, the course was complete bullshiat.

I really wouldn't mind it if Florida went and totally rewrote the CCW statute.  I believe in the concept of "shall issue", but it needs to be contingent on passing a bit more of a test than what they currently have.  If we weeded out even a tenth of the really stupid, seriously aggressive, or just plain deranged folks, I figure we'd reduce the number of CCW "incidents" down even lower than the rate they currently are.
 
2013-02-28 12:43:00 PM  

highbrow45: Amos Quito: The shoplifter?

[www.bustedmugshots.com image 270x341]

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

RETAIL THEFT-MERCHANT 2ND OFFENSE  (FELONY)

OBTAIN PROP FOR WORTHLESS CK

UTTERING A FORGED CHECK-PRIN

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

GRAND THEFT THIRD DEGREE

RBC- PETIT THEFT

 Each link to a separate mugshot / incident

None of those crimes carry the death penalty as far as I know... Maybe in Florida they do.


The criminal decides what his life is worth.
 
2013-02-28 12:43:32 PM  

kobrakai: Can we agree that this man should never, EVER, be allowed to own a firearm ever again?


Yes, and he likely will never be allowed to do so again.
 
2013-02-28 12:43:36 PM  
Hey idiot, you know what would help the police a lot more than "marking the car with bulletholes?"  Taking down his damn license plate number and a detailed description of the vehicle.
 
2013-02-28 12:44:04 PM  
Well, there's a good chance the thief will think twice before steeling again needed to change his shorts when he got home.
 
2013-02-28 12:45:05 PM  

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.


Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.
 
2013-02-28 12:45:27 PM  

kobrakai: Can we agree that this man should never, EVER, be allowed to own a firearm ever again?


Yes, and he likely will never be allowed to do so again.

highbrow45: Amos Quito: The shoplifter?

[www.bustedmugshots.com image 270x341]

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

RETAIL THEFT-MERCHANT 2ND OFFENSE  (FELONY)

OBTAIN PROP FOR WORTHLESS CK

UTTERING A FORGED CHECK-PRIN

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

GRAND THEFT THIRD DEGREE

RBC- PETIT THEFT

 Each link to a separate mugshot / incident

None of those crimes carry the death penalty as far as I know... Maybe in Florida they do.


Whether such crimes carry the death penalty is of no relevance. Of relevance is whether his actions at the time of the shooting created reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault. Based upon the reported incident, his actions created no reasonable fear of any such outcome and thus the use of deadly force against him would not be justified.
 
2013-02-28 12:45:34 PM  
You go to bed every night dreaming of this situation. Well... usually its using your gun to save the life of that hot teller at the bank, but even so when you get a chance to be the hero, you take it.
 
2013-02-28 12:46:32 PM  
Someone should make this guy the captain of a neighborhood watch somewhere.
 
2013-02-28 12:46:35 PM  

sendtodave: born_yesterday: over $200 in meat...from the wealthiest multinational chain

CSB:  When I was 16ish, I had a part time job pushing carts for Wal*Mart.  One time, the alarm went off, and this guy just bolted.

And, for some reason I still can't explain, I bolted after him.

He's shedding consumer electronics the whole way.  I outran him by the end of the parking lit, and I grabbed him He begged me to let him go, I mean he was pissing his pants scared. I wouldn't. "Security," which consisted of the geriatric greeter and the pud-wacking assistant manager, finally caught up.

Looking back, it was stupid.  I could have been stabbed, or worse, and I helped to fark up some guys life by not turning the other cheek when he stole stuff that wasn't even mine to steal.  But, I was a teenager, acting on adrenaline.

My reward for all this?  $25 gift card.

I quit the next week.



These days they'd fire you.


kobrakai: Can we agree that this man should never, EVER, be allowed to own a firearm ever again?



Agreed.

/But I'll bet the shoplifter goes on stealing...
//and stealing...
///and stealing...


Also, FTA: "When a Walmart loss prevention officer tried to stop McKee, the suspect abandoned his shopping cart and ran out of the store, pushing down a woman on his way out, Sampsell said."


Why was Mr. Career Thief not charged with battery?
 
2013-02-28 12:48:07 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Benjamin Orr: SGecko: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.

The problem isn't so much that he shot in the direction of the thief so much as he was shooting in the Walmart parking lot for no good reason. He could have killed someone besides the shoplifter. Did you even think about what you typed before posting it?!

No... The problem is that he started shooting at all. $200 of Walmart property (which he left in the store btw) is not a valid reason to open fire.

its all moot anyway.. the BIGGER issue as I see it is this..

"Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in. And when he could not stop Mckee who entered his car to get away, Martinez pulled out his 9 mm handgun, Sampsell said."


Well yeah... Basically unless his life was in immediate danger or someone elses was.. He should not have opened fire in a public space.
 
2013-02-28 12:48:39 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I really wouldn't mind it if Florida went and totally rewrote the CCW statute.  I believe in the concept of "shall issue", but it needs to be contingent on passing a bit more of a test than what they currently have.  If we weeded out even a tenth of the really stupid, seriously aggressive, or just plain deranged folks, I figure we'd reduce the number of CCW "incidents" down even lower than the rate they currently are.


Kentucky's concealed weapons permit licensing statute requires attendance of a training course that addresses state law regarding the carrying of concealed weapons and state law regarding justified uses of deadly force. No one who attends the course has legitimate reason to claim ignorance of when deadly force is justified.

The course also requires demonstration of firearm proficiency by way of firing twenty shots at a target at 20 feet (many courses set the target at 21 feet due to the range measuring distance in yards) with a minimum of 55% accuracy (shots must hit the target itself, not just the paper upon which the target is marked). I had thought this accuracy test to be too lenient, but it is evidently more stringent than is the requirement of Florida.
 
2013-02-28 12:48:55 PM  

highbrow45: Amos Quito: The shoplifter?

[www.bustedmugshots.com image 270x341]

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

RETAIL THEFT-MERCHANT 2ND OFFENSE  (FELONY)

OBTAIN PROP FOR WORTHLESS CK

UTTERING A FORGED CHECK-PRIN

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

GRAND THEFT THIRD DEGREE

RBC- PETIT THEFT

 Each link to a separate mugshot / incident

None of those crimes carry the death penalty as far as I know... Maybe in Florida they do.


Only if right afterwards he runs, and he's COMIN' RIGHT AT YA!

I may not, in fact, be exaggerating.
 
2013-02-28 12:50:03 PM  
I believe the real mystery here is how the shooter got his hands on 9MM ammo.  That shiat is SCARCE.
 
2013-02-28 12:50:58 PM  

Yogimus: The criminal decides what his life is worth.


I sure hope you never jaywalk.
 
2013-02-28 12:52:30 PM  

highbrow45: Amos Quito: The shoplifter?

[www.bustedmugshots.com image 270x341]

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

RETAIL THEFT-MERCHANT 2ND OFFENSE  (FELONY)

OBTAIN PROP FOR WORTHLESS CK

UTTERING A FORGED CHECK-PRIN

FELONY RETAIL THEFT

GRAND THEFT THIRD DEGREE

RBC- PETIT THEFT

 Each link to a separate mugshot / incident


None of those crimes carry the death penalty as far as I know... Maybe in Florida they do.



The shooting was in NO WAY justified. Is that clear?

That said, it appears that Mr. Stick-Fingers is overdue for a LONG stay as a guest of the State.

The most recent mugshot was from  13 days ago.
 
2013-02-28 12:53:17 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: FARK rebel soldier: Spartapuss: PapaChester: How the hell did this dumbshiat receive a CCW permit? Does Florida just give them to anyone that asks for one? What the hell is wrong with the south?
fun facts

Fla CCW, the perfect way for non-Floridians to carry in yet a third state even though it isn't valid in their own state. What the fark?d

This is part of the reason Cali doesn't recognize CCWs from any other state. You could have a CCW for any other state - or all of 'em that have them - and still wind up being charged in Cali. Well, charged or shot. You've surely noticed by now our cops like to shoot things (if they can hit them).


Actually, pretty much the entire reason that CA doesn't recognize other states' licenses is that other states provide an exception to the 21-year age requirement for military personnel, whereas California doesn't think military training is sufficient to make someone competent to handle guns safely.

It would be really nice if CA did things for reasons as reasonable as you imagine, though.  A conflict between may-issue and shall-issue would actually make a lot more damned sense than the actual situation.  But, y'know, CA.  The state of the 500k-signature initiative item don't play the sane way.
 
2013-02-28 12:53:37 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: born_yesterday

Meanwhile, on Planet Bootstrappy:

Awesome shot, Jose!


Would anyone on Planet Bootstrappy ever pay a compliment to someone named Jose?


They might have thought it said "josey". You know as in, "Im lookin' for a man named Jose Wales.." "You a bounty hunter, boy"? Etc.......
 
2013-02-28 12:53:46 PM  
Was it Homer Simpson?

hellogiggles.com
 
2013-02-28 12:55:24 PM  

PapaChester: How the hell did this dumbshiat receive a CCW permit? Does Florida just give them to anyone that asks for one? What the hell is wrong with the south?


I was told all CCW holders were intelligent gun owners and would never do something like this.  I read it on the internet (Fark gun threads) so it must be true.

www.databitsnews.com
 
2013-02-28 12:55:43 PM  

swahnhennessy: Yogimus: The criminal decides what his life is worth.

I sure hope you never jaywalk.


Yep, sucks getting killed by a car because I jaywalked. Gosh, my life wasn't worth the minute I saved by not using a crosswalk.  The shooter is a moron, the criminal is a parasite, and they both identified themselves as such.
 
2013-02-28 12:56:00 PM  

Dimensio: The course also requires demonstration of firearm proficiency by way of firing twenty shots at a target at 20 feet (many courses set the target at 21 feet due to the range measuring distance in yards) with a minimum of 55% accuracy (shots must hit the target itself, not just the paper upon which the target is marked). I had thought this accuracy test to be too lenient, but it is evidently more stringent than is the requirement of Florida.


Remember, it's Florida -- we give driver licenses to blind people.  I am not joking.  My mom-in-law is legally blind in one eye and has a cataract in the other.  Her doc cleared her for driving because the doctors are well-aware that if they get a reputation for pulling licenses from the old people, their practices will dry up.  So we have old people driving blind to the gun store and taking the CCW course.  Now, if they PASS it, they'll go buy a $500 gun from the gun store.  If they fail it, they won't.
 
2013-02-28 12:56:17 PM  
When you have that many priors, you need to be thrown in a pit and forgotten about. No one will miss a scumbag like that.
 
2013-02-28 12:56:20 PM  
For the love of God, what happened to the meat???  We've got a shortage going on!
 
2013-02-28 12:57:40 PM  
We need to stop pitying and defending the rights of criminals. If someone is shoplifting and gets blown away, this is a win for me because it means less petty crime in my community. Human life is only sacred when the human isn't a worthless parasite.
 
2013-02-28 12:57:48 PM  

PapaChester: How the hell did this dumbshiat receive a CCW permit? Does Florida just give them to anyone that asks for one? What the hell is wrong with the south?


Hey, Derps! Do ya think lessening the amount of CCWs through harder classes, IQ tests, background checks, etc is gonna reduce the amount of guns in society as a whole? Makin' it easier to obtain would, at least, let us know, via LEOS, who's got a gun. All you nose in the air rain-catchers  are foolish if you think a CCW means the guns won't be used foolishly. You know it happens in your state, don't you?

/that's why I have a CCW for one pistol...no mention of the 5 rifles in the back of the stairs.
//the state doesn't have a need to know
///I've been in running gun battles during deer season. It don' take smarts to own a gun
 
2013-02-28 12:59:14 PM  
This could have been easily avoided if the shoplifter had been armed.
 
2013-02-28 12:59:56 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: dahmers love zombie: GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?

What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.

Um, that'd be a no.  Saw that on the news last night and when they said he was facing felony charges, I said "good".

Of course, I'm one of the traitorous pro-gunners who doesn't have a problem with more extensive background checks and licensing.  I would also love a written test to be added to the concealed handgun course that had questions similar to this situation.  "Is Jose justified in firing off rounds into Eddie's car as he flees?"  If you don't pass the farking test, you don't get the license.

Question 2: You see a man in a parking lot shooting at a car traveling away from him. Do you:

A) draw your weapon and fire at the car?
B) draw your weapon and fire at the shooter?
C) draw your weapon and ask the shooter why he's firing at the car?
D) start to wonder why either of you is carrying a gun?


E) Draw your weapon and tell him to drop the farking weapon before he hurts someone.

Legally correct answers: B,C,E.

Go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collet $200 answer: A

Farking retarded answer: D. You carry a weapon so that you can protect yourself from the type of retard who fires on an unarmed man in a parking lot in order to 'mark the car.'
 
2013-02-28 01:00:15 PM  

Dimensio: dahmers love zombie: I really wouldn't mind it if Florida went and totally rewrote the CCW statute.  I believe in the concept of "shall issue", but it needs to be contingent on passing a bit more of a test than what they currently have.  If we weeded out even a tenth of the really stupid, seriously aggressive, or just plain deranged folks, I figure we'd reduce the number of CCW "incidents" down even lower than the rate they currently are.

Kentucky's concealed weapons permit licensing statute requires attendance of a training course that addresses state law regarding the carrying of concealed weapons and state law regarding justified uses of deadly force. No one who attends the course has legitimate reason to claim ignorance of when deadly force is justified.

The course also requires demonstration of firearm proficiency by way of firing twenty shots at a target at 20 feet (many courses set the target at 21 feet due to the range measuring distance in yards) with a minimum of 55% accuracy (shots must hit the target itself, not just the paper upon which the target is marked). I had thought this accuracy test to be too lenient, but it is evidently more stringent than is the requirement of Florida.


In TN you have to fire a total of 50 rounds from 3,7 and 15 yards and hit with 70% accuracy. Not just the paper but the center mass area.

In addition to all of the legal discussions about when you can shoot.
 
2013-02-28 01:00:34 PM  
He should have said he saw a gun. Works with the police.
 
2013-02-28 01:00:50 PM  
Came here to crack wise about how some moron with a CCP thought shooting a moving target in a crowded parking lot in the middle of the day "to mark a car" was a good idea, leaving happily after seeing responsible adults realize that was really, really stupid.
 
2013-02-28 01:01:48 PM  

Gifted Many Few: When you have that many priors, you need to be thrown in a pit and forgotten about. No one will miss a scumbag like that.



FTA: "Mckee, who said he wanted the meat to feed his family, was charged with retail theft, Sampsell said."


Apparently they keep getting hungry, over and over and over.
 
2013-02-28 01:01:51 PM  
Same logic that allow cops to 'mark' a dog that could, potentially, possibly look at them and bark.
 
2013-02-28 01:03:27 PM  

Amos Quito: Gifted Many Few: When you have that many priors, you need to be thrown in a pit and forgotten about. No one will miss a scumbag like that.

FTA: "Mckee, who said he wanted the meat to feed his family, was charged with retail theft, Sampsell said."

Apparently they keep getting hungry, over and over and over.


Yeah, but to afford to feed them THAT OFTEN the guy would need, like, a job or something.
 
2013-02-28 01:04:26 PM  

FormlessOne: Came here to crack wise about how some moron with a CCP thought shooting a moving target in a crowded parking lot in the middle of the day "to mark a car" was a good idea, leaving happily after seeing responsible adults realize that was really, really stupid.


People like him should only be allowed to conceal carry paintball guns.
 
2013-02-28 01:04:54 PM  
This was first started in the mid west by police officers.  They would break a tail light when a vehicle was at a place where they would suspect criminal activity.  They would then wait for the vehicle to pull out of the neighborhood and they would pull the car over on the pretense of the broken tail light.  They would then be able to search the car to see if anything was wrong.
 
2013-02-28 01:05:09 PM  
To the anti-rights grabbers, GFYS.
 
2013-02-28 01:06:55 PM  
Benjamin Orr:
In TN you have to fire a total of 50 rounds from 3,7 and 15 yards and hit with 70% accuracy. Not just the paper but the center mass area.

In addition to all of the legal discussions about when you can shoot.

Could a person apply for the Florida permit that's recognized by Tennessee and bypass the stricter course?
 
2013-02-28 01:07:25 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You see a man in a parking lot shooting at a car traveling away from him. Do you:

A) draw your weapon and fire at the car?
B) draw your weapon and fire at the shooter?
C) draw your weapon and ask the shooter why he's firing at the car?
D) start to wonder why either of you is carrying a gun?


Depends on what he's wearing.
 
2013-02-28 01:09:01 PM  

SGecko: The problem isn't so much that he shot in the direction of the thief so much as he was shooting in the Walmart parking lot for no good reason. He could have killed someone besides the shoplifter. Did you even think about what you typed before posting it?!


Considering that you can't even shoot at a home invader or attacker if they are running away from you, trying to escape, no, no you can't shoot at a fleeing thief. The rule is, is your life or the life of someone nearby in imminent danger that required the use of deadly force. There is no scenario in which this was true.
 
2013-02-28 01:09:52 PM  

Benjamin Orr: In TN you have to fire a total of 50 rounds from 3,7 and 15 yards and hit with 70% accuracy. Not just the paper but the center mass area.

In addition to all of the legal discussions about when you can shoot.


The only thing specifically stated in FL's CCW statute is that the course instructor has to witness the student "safely handle and discharge" the weapon.

Of course, it could be worse.  Here's an ONLINE CCW course in Virginia:  http://www.concealed-carry.net/index.php
 
2013-02-28 01:11:05 PM  
Montana is just a filing fee
 
2013-02-28 01:11:08 PM  

chiett: This guy needs his CCW permit revoked.


This is probably a pretty clear open and shut case.  He will learn about florida's minimum sentencing laws.  Just brandishing a weapon can be a 10 year sentence.  And with a felony you lose your right to have firearms.  So the ccw really becomes a moot point.

Not sure why the guy chose to fire.  No one was hurt, he is still going to prison.
 
2013-02-28 01:12:21 PM  

dahmers love zombie: The only thing specifically stated in FL's CCW statute is that the course instructor has to witness the student "safely handle and discharge" the weapon.


Firing just one round counts.  My friend took the joke FL CCW class at a gun show a few years back.  Some people couldn't even hit the target and got their certificate.
 
2013-02-28 01:13:45 PM  

Yogimus: swahnhennessy: Yogimus: The criminal decides what his life is worth.

I sure hope you never jaywalk.

Yep, sucks getting killed by a car because I jaywalked. Gosh, my life wasn't worth the minute I saved by not using a crosswalk.  The shooter is a moron, the criminal is a parasite, and they both identified themselves as such.


Actually, by your reasoning, we ought to be able to shoot you for jaywalking.  I certainly think the world would be better off if we could shoot you.
 
2013-02-28 01:15:13 PM  

sodomizer: We need to stop pitying and defending the rights of criminals. If someone is shoplifting and gets blown away, this is a win for me because it means less petty crime in my community. Human life is only sacred when the human isn't a worthless parasite.


So anybody who has ever stolen food deserves to die? Does this make rational sense to you?
 
2013-02-28 01:15:29 PM  

sodomizer: We need to stop pitying and defending the rights of criminals. If someone is shoplifting and gets blown away, this is a win for me because it means less petty crime in my community. Human life is only sacred when the human isn't a worthless parasite.


And if an innocent person takes a round to the head because someone got shooty over a couple of hundred bucks worth of WalMart meat?

People who steal aren't the only worthless parasites on earth.  There's you, for example.
 
2013-02-28 01:16:47 PM  

sendtodave: I could have been stabbed, or worse, and I helped to fark up some guys life by not turning the other cheek when he stole stuff that wasn't even mine to steal.


I agree this wasnt the smartest thing to do, but why feel bad for the guy or feel any guilt?  He chose his own fate.  When you commit crimes a result may very well be you will get punished for them.  I worked at a grocery store as a teenager. I would feel maybe a bit bad for the situations that drove people to shoplift, but I didn't feel bad that they were caught.  If there is no punishment for crimes like stealing then why shouldn't everyone steal?
 
2013-02-28 01:16:57 PM  

Egoy3k: sodomizer: We need to stop pitying and defending the rights of criminals. If someone is shoplifting and gets blown away, this is a win for me because it means less petty crime in my community. Human life is only sacred when the human isn't a worthless parasite.


So anybody who has ever stolen food deserves to die? Does this make rational sense to you?



You bit that bait?

You must be famished.
 
2013-02-28 01:17:07 PM  
Meanwhile, a bill has been filed for consideration by the FL Legislature to amend the "Stand Your Ground" Law that would extend protection from prosecution for shooting anyone who pisses you off.  This serves as a good example.
 
2013-02-28 01:17:17 PM  

kiteless: Was it Homer Simpson?

[hellogiggles.com image 350x226]


Do you want me to get the cat down?
 
2013-02-28 01:18:17 PM  
So NOW people have a problem with an armed Hispanic man in Florida acting like a vigilante?
 
2013-02-28 01:18:26 PM  

Amos Quito: Egoy3k: sodomizer: We need to stop pitying and defending the rights of criminals. If someone is shoplifting and gets blown away, this is a win for me because it means less petty crime in my community. Human life is only sacred when the human isn't a worthless parasite.


So anybody who has ever stolen food deserves to die? Does this make rational sense to you?


You bit that bait?

You must be famished.


In gun threads statements like this are at best equally likely to be honest opinions.
 
2013-02-28 01:18:35 PM  

The Slush: Lochsteppe: The Slush: F*cking license plates, how do they work?

I wonder if anyone (reporters, cops, etc) asked him why he didn't just write down the license plate number.  Maybe he didn't realize that license plate numbers are unique.

Well, judging by his idiocy and state of residence, maybe he's just illiterate

But yeah, I'd like to know the answer to that question


Because he needed new fapping material and "discharging his weapon" is easier after discharging his weapon.
 
2013-02-28 01:21:40 PM  

BSABSVR: Yogimus: swahnhennessy: Yogimus: The criminal decides what his life is worth.

I sure hope you never jaywalk.

Yep, sucks getting killed by a car because I jaywalked. Gosh, my life wasn't worth the minute I saved by not using a crosswalk.  The shooter is a moron, the criminal is a parasite, and they both identified themselves as such.

Actually, by your reasoning, we ought to be able to shoot you for jaywalking.  I certainly think the world would be better off if we could shoot you.


I find your selective quoting fascinating.
 
2013-02-28 01:22:21 PM  
Why couldn't he spell out POLICE LOOK! in bullet holes....get a shooting lesson loser.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-28 01:23:48 PM  

Spartapuss: Benjamin Orr:
In TN you have to fire a total of 50 rounds from 3,7 and 15 yards and hit with 70% accuracy. Not just the paper but the center mass area.

In addition to all of the legal discussions about when you can shoot.
Could a person apply for the Florida permit that's recognized by Tennessee and bypass the stricter course?


Once you move to TN you have six months grace to get a TN permit. After that you are breaking the law.
 
2013-02-28 01:27:25 PM  
If I wanted to mark the car, I would have just pissed on the tire.
 
2013-02-28 01:29:17 PM  

Yogimus: Someone should make this guy the captain of a neighborhood watch somewhere.


Well he IS already in Florida.
 
2013-02-28 01:32:12 PM  

SoupJohnB: Meanwhile, a bill has been filed for consideration by the FL Legislature to amend the "Stand Your Ground" Law that would extend protection from prosecution for shooting anyone who pisses you off.  This serves as a good example.


What is the name of this state bill?
 
2013-02-28 01:32:41 PM  

Egoy3k: In gun threads statements like this are at best equally likely to be honest opinions.


I think we need a new version of Poe's Law purely for gun threads.  I propose that we refer to it as LaPierre's Law:

In any thread about guns or gun control, statements taking an outrageously pro-gun position, even going as far as advocating summary execution of petty criminals, will be indistinguishable from those statements which are intentionally trolling.


meatsack_01:
Why couldn't he spell out POLICE LOOK! in bullet holes....get a shooting lesson loser.

What the hell are the "X"es?  It looks like a rose pattern.
 
2013-02-28 01:33:29 PM  

Amos Quito: Why was Mr. Career Thief not charged with battery?


If the woman presses charges, he will be.
 
2013-02-28 01:33:52 PM  

EricTheHalfABee: How does someone who has a CCP think that is an acceptable situation to brandish and discharge a weapon? In most classes, that kind of situation is repeatedly drilled into your head as not acceptable.

However, I agree the class needs to be considerably harder and way less political in its contents. Considering we all took the written test "as a group," that part and the firing 30-50 rounds part was a joke.

I think there should also be a short online written test (or something) every year you have to pass to show you are aware of any new changes to the law and refresh your memory. I don't care if that test is hard or easy, as its main purpose is to bring attention to the information.

Oh and while I'm on my soapbox, an official website that lists all the rules and differences in CCP laws from state to state. Researching and parsing some of the variances can be unnecessarily time consuming when preparing for a trip.


I agree 100%, only I think we should go a step further and require some kind of licensing/training when purchasing a gun (not as stringent as CCW, just basic safety/laws and skills training). I don't want to take away anyone's weapons, I just want it drilled into people's heads that it's not a goddamn toy, and that there are consequences if you use it inappropriately. Things that are common sense to some of us just aren't common sense to many others, like the guy in TFA.
 
2013-02-28 01:35:18 PM  

Sybarite: Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in.

Look, when you see someone being chased you don't stop to ask a bunch of silly questions or consider the consequences.




i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-28 01:36:51 PM  
turnerwatson.files.wordpress.com
Never Forget
 
2013-02-28 01:36:54 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: EricTheHalfABee: How does someone who has a CCP think that is an acceptable situation to brandish and discharge a weapon? In most classes, that kind of situation is repeatedly drilled into your head as not acceptable.

However, I agree the class needs to be considerably harder and way less political in its contents. Considering we all took the written test "as a group," that part and the firing 30-50 rounds part was a joke.

I think there should also be a short online written test (or something) every year you have to pass to show you are aware of any new changes to the law and refresh your memory. I don't care if that test is hard or easy, as its main purpose is to bring attention to the information.

Oh and while I'm on my soapbox, an official website that lists all the rules and differences in CCP laws from state to state. Researching and parsing some of the variances can be unnecessarily time consuming when preparing for a trip.

I agree 100%, only I think we should go a step further and require some kind of licensing/training when purchasing a gun (not as stringent as CCW, just basic safety/laws and skills training). I don't want to take away anyone's weapons, I just want it drilled into people's heads that it's not a goddamn toy, and that there are consequences if you use it inappropriately. Things that are common sense to some of us just aren't common sense to many others, like the guy in TFA.


Each gun should come with a safety DVD that has a 16 digit redemption code throughout the film, and that code could be redeemed on your tax return for 20 bucks credit.
 
2013-02-28 01:38:19 PM  
Dumb Story Bro Time:

Monday afternoon a friend and I were standing in the parking lot of the local sporting goods outlet discussing the lack of selection they had in the reloading section when this 40-something lady ran by carrying a large purse with packages of beef jerky spilling out of it.  We watched in amusement as the worlds fattest security guard came huffing and puffing after her, losing ground every time he paused to yell at her to stop.

She got away easily, and the guard eventually came wandering back, picking up beef jerky packages as he went.  As he passed us he threw the ol' stinkeye and snapped "Thanks, guys!" at us.

Not sure what he expected us to do in this case.  I am certainly not going to tackle some middle aged woman in a icy parking lot over some beef jerky.  And there wasn't a damn thing about the situation that warranted pulling a weapon.  Just print her picture off of the security cams and ban her from the store for chrissakes.
 
2013-02-28 01:39:37 PM  
FTA: Martinez complained that he was injured but after he was taken to Florida Hospital Fish Memorial in Orange City,

Florida hospital fish?  Hospital fish memorial?  The hell?
 
2013-02-28 01:44:15 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: I don't want to take away anyone's weapons, I just want it drilled into people's heads that it's not a goddamn toy, and that there are consequences if you use it inappropriately. Things that are common sense to some of us just aren't common sense to many others, like the guy in TFA.


What I want drilled into people's heads in CCW/permitting classes (after Commandments 1 & 2 - "booger hook off the bang switch" and "point the angry end downrange"):
"Rule 1. YOUR GUN IS TO BE USED AT THE RANGE ONLY. If you feel like using your gun outside the range, be prepared to lose your life and/or freedom.
Rule 2. Even if you think your life/safety is in danger, Rule 1 still applies. Good luck, we're all counting on you."

People have this insane idea that simply because gun OWNERSHIP is a protected right, that gun USAGE is as well. Owning a gun does not make you eligible for vigilante status, deputize you to be a citizen-cop, make your judgement of chaotic situations better, protect you from home invasion (it may protect you from the invader, though - and don't forget about Rule 1), or anything else.

It's like a penis - use should be confined to a VERY narrow set of circumstances, and the penalties for misuse are severe.
 
2013-02-28 01:45:26 PM  

Dimensio: SoupJohnB: Meanwhile, a bill has been filed for consideration by the FL Legislature to amend the "Stand Your Ground" Law that would extend protection from prosecution for shooting anyone who pisses you off.  This serves as a good example.

What is the name of this state bill?


"The Use of Irony in Ironic Situations;"  HB34-0-hut-hut.
 
2013-02-28 01:45:53 PM  

dahmers love zombie: What the hell are the "X"es? It looks like a rose pattern.


lol- Note the x : Bullet hole ratio.
 
2013-02-28 01:46:35 PM  
Also FTA:  "His life was not in immediate danger so he was not in fear for his life nor was he trying to defend someone else whose life is being threatened," Sampsell said. "There was no justification for the shooting."

So then if a third party with a CCW was walking into the Wal-Mart, and noticed this guy firing away at the shoplifter, it seems like he would be within in his rights to draw down on him and start firing away ("to defend someone else whose life is being threatened").  Right?
 
US1
2013-02-28 01:46:38 PM  

SGecko: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sorry, people actually have a problem with a thief being shot at?  I'm sad he didn't hit him.

The problem isn't so much that he shot in the direction of the thief so much as he was shooting in the Walmart parking lot for no good reason. He could have killed someone besides the shoplifter. Did you even think about what you typed before posting it?!


he abandoned the items so he wasnt shoplifting
 
2013-02-28 01:46:52 PM  

Skyd1v: Dumb Story Bro Time:

Monday afternoon a friend and I were standing in the parking lot of the local sporting goods outlet discussing the lack of selection they had in the reloading section when this 40-something lady ran by carrying a large purse with packages of beef jerky spilling out of it.  We watched in amusement as the worlds fattest security guard came huffing and puffing after her, losing ground every time he paused to yell at her to stop.

She got away easily, and the guard eventually came wandering back, picking up beef jerky packages as he went.  As he passed us he threw the ol' stinkeye and snapped "Thanks, guys!" at us.

Not sure what he expected us to do in this case.  I am certainly not going to tackle some middle aged woman in a icy parking lot over some beef jerky.  And there wasn't a damn thing about the situation that warranted pulling a weapon.  Just print her picture off of the security cams and ban her from the store for chrissakes.


I don't think you are a real 'mericun. You obviously should have shot that biatch down. You commie. Obamas takin ar gunnz derp de derp!
 
2013-02-28 01:52:18 PM  

Yogimus: BSABSVR: Yogimus: swahnhennessy: Yogimus: The criminal decides what his life is worth.

I sure hope you never jaywalk.

Yep, sucks getting killed by a car because I jaywalked. Gosh, my life wasn't worth the minute I saved by not using a crosswalk.  The shooter is a moron, the criminal is a parasite, and they both identified themselves as such.

Actually, by your reasoning, we ought to be able to shoot you for jaywalking.  I certainly think the world would be better off if we could shoot you.

I find your selective quoting fascinating.


You think this helps your case?

The shooter is a moron, the criminal is a parasite, and they both identified themselves as such.

Well, OK.  Whatever.  The world would still be better without you in it.
 
2013-02-28 01:53:26 PM  

Yogimus: I believe the real mystery here is how the shooter got his hands on 9MM ammo.  That shiat is SCARCE.


Ya know, I heard that and the same thing about 22LR right here on Fark. Where do you ammo-deprived people live? I've had no problem getting either one, and we do use both in this house. My sister and I both have fairly beefy collections of firearms and have not had problems getting whatever ammo we want/need. I'll have to examine the stock more closely when I go to the sporting goods store next time, but I honestly can't remember hearing any complaints about not being able to get ammo last time I was up at the range. I'm beginning to think this is a manufactured/false shortage in some areas, just so the retailer can jack the prices up.

/should start my own online "over priced ammo can be yours!" business
//if that's even legal
 
2013-02-28 01:55:11 PM  

Frozboz: FTA: Martinez complained that he was injured but after he was taken to Florida Hospital Fish Memorial in Orange City,

Florida hospital fish?  Hospital fish memorial?  The hell?


Florida Hospital is the chain that runs this hospital which is actually called Fish Memorial Hospital.

Why it's called Fish Memorial Hospital I have no damn idea.

/Was waiting for this story to pop up on Fark after he saw it on TV last night
 
2013-02-28 01:58:52 PM  

Frozboz: FTA: Martinez complained that he was injured but after he was taken to Florida Hospital Fish Memorial in Orange City,

Florida hospital fish?  Hospital fish memorial?  The hell?



physician.sdahealthcare.org

2.bp.blogspot.com

"And it went wherever I did go"
 
2013-02-28 01:59:17 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Frozboz: FTA: Martinez complained that he was injured but after he was taken to Florida Hospital Fish Memorial in Orange City,

Florida hospital fish?  Hospital fish memorial?  The hell?

Florida Hospital is the chain that runs this hospital which is actually called Fish Memorial Hospital.

Why it's called Fish Memorial Hospital I have no damn idea.

/Was waiting for this story to pop up on Fark after he saw it on TV last night


I was bored and I figured out why it's called Fish Memorial Hospital.

It's named after a guy whose last name really was Fish.

https://www.fhfishmemorial.org/AboutUs/History.aspx

/The more you know
 
2013-02-28 02:00:10 PM  

BSABSVR: Well, OK.  Whatever.  The world would still be better without you in it.


Wait a few decades.
 
2013-02-28 02:01:38 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Yogimus: I believe the real mystery here is how the shooter got his hands on 9MM ammo.  That shiat is SCARCE.

Ya know, I heard that and the same thing about 22LR right here on Fark. Where do you ammo-deprived people live? I've had no problem getting either one, and we do use both in this house. My sister and I both have fairly beefy collections of firearms and have not had problems getting whatever ammo we want/need. I'll have to examine the stock more closely when I go to the sporting goods store next time, but I honestly can't remember hearing any complaints about not being able to get ammo last time I was up at the range. I'm beginning to think this is a manufactured/false shortage in some areas, just so the retailer can jack the prices up.

/should start my own online "over priced ammo can be yours!" business
//if that's even legal


I walked around a few stores (Gander Mountain, Dick's, and a few other gun shops) right before Christmas to pick up some stuff, and the only real shortages I saw were .223 and any AR-15 variant. Prices for other standard handgun ammo didn't seem to be too much more than normal and there wasn't a limit on number of cases or anything. I haven't bought ammo in a couple of months, but that was right when everyone was freaking out about it.
 
2013-02-28 02:02:51 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Mrtraveler01: Frozboz: FTA: Martinez complained that he was injured but after he was taken to Florida Hospital Fish Memorial in Orange City,

Florida hospital fish?  Hospital fish memorial?  The hell?

Florida Hospital is the chain that runs this hospital which is actually called Fish Memorial Hospital.

Why it's called Fish Memorial Hospital I have no damn idea.

/Was waiting for this story to pop up on Fark after he saw it on TV last night

I was bored and I figured out why it's called Fish Memorial Hospital.

It's named after a guy whose last name really was Fish.

https://www.fhfishmemorial.org/AboutUs/History.aspx

/The more you know


Good to know.  I was picturing some gun-toting tuna flopping out of Wal-Mart, guns a blazing.
 
2013-02-28 02:05:47 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit


Yogimus: I believe the real mystery here is how the shooter got his hands on 9MM ammo. That shiat is SCARCE.

Ya know, I heard that and the same thing about 22LR right here on Fark. Where do you ammo-deprived people live?


It's not so much about geography, but that most places online seem to be sold out of just about everything. Even stuff that is listed on ammoseek.com and ammoengine.com tends to be sold out (probably because it was listed on those sites).
 
2013-02-28 02:07:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I was bored and I figured out why it's called Fish Memorial Hospital.

It's named after a guy whose last name really was Fish.



www.blogcdn.com

TOO SOON!!!
 
2013-02-28 02:09:08 PM  
Especially if you need to hit it with a homing beacon bullet
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Although to be fair, had he been using a Seburo M5 he could have fired two homing beacon bullets in that same time frame.
 
2013-02-28 02:09:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Frozboz: FTA: Martinez complained that he was injured but after he was taken to Florida Hospital Fish Memorial in Orange City,

Florida hospital fish?  Hospital fish memorial?  The hell?

Florida Hospital is the chain that runs this hospital which is actually called Fish Memorial Hospital.

Why it's called Fish Memorial Hospital I have no damn idea.

/Was waiting for this story to pop up on Fark after he saw it on TV last night




Judge Bert Fish 1875-1943

Derp
 
2013-02-28 02:13:49 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Question 2: You see a man in a parking lot shooting at a car traveling away from him. Do you:

A) draw your weapon and fire at the car?
B) draw your weapon and fire at the shooter?
C) draw your weapon and ask the shooter why he's firing at the car?
D) start to wonder why either of you is carrying a gun?


Can I pick both A and B so that I cover all my bases?
 
2013-02-28 02:14:58 PM  

dahmers love zombie: GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?

What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.

Um, that'd be a no.  Saw that on the news last night and when they said he was facing felony charges, I said "good".

Of course, I'm one of the traitorous pro-gunners who doesn't have a problem with more extensive background checks and licensing.  I would also love a written test to be added to the concealed handgun course that had questions similar to this situation.  "Is Jose justified in firing off rounds into Eddie's car as he flees?"  If you don't pass the farking test, you don't get the license.


Make  it multiple choice and never let the answer be "C."
 
2013-02-28 02:17:43 PM  
Great thing about the NRA is how we can all ensure that those good boys in the gangs are able to carry and use guns to protect themselves!
 
2013-02-28 02:18:12 PM  

HAMMERTOE: dahmers love zombie: What the hell are the "X"es? It looks like a rose pattern.

lol- Note the x : Bullet hole ratio.


X's and O's
Hugs and kisses.
 
2013-02-28 02:20:02 PM  
so a criminal got shot at by a civilian? and now people have a problem with that?

ugh.....
 
2013-02-28 02:22:47 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Why it's called Fish Memorial Hospital I have no damn idea.

/Was waiting for this story to pop up


Abe Vigoda played FISH on Barney Miller.
 
2013-02-28 02:23:17 PM  

gravebayne2: so a criminal got shot at by a civilian? and now people have a problem with that?

ugh.....


4/10

You're not helping the pro-gun cause.
 
2013-02-28 02:24:21 PM  

lantawa: Mrtraveler01: Frozboz: FTA: Martinez complained that he was injured but after he was taken to Florida Hospital Fish Memorial in Orange City,

Florida hospital fish?  Hospital fish memorial?  The hell?

Florida Hospital is the chain that runs this hospital which is actually called Fish Memorial Hospital.

Why it's called Fish Memorial Hospital I have no damn idea.

/Was waiting for this story to pop up on Fark after he saw it on TV last night

Judge Bert Fish 1875-1943

Derp


Most of us outside of Volusia County would've had no clue unless they googled it.
 
2013-02-28 02:26:34 PM  

ZeroCorpse: And I especially think that when someone with a CCP does this kind of Rambo bullshiat with his gun, he should never be allowed to carry again. He should be permanently blacklisted, because he has shown he isn't smart enough, sane enough, or mature enough to handle the responsibility he has to the public when he's carrying.


So you're saying felons shouldn't be allowed to own guns? The government should get on that and make it a law or something.
 
2013-02-28 02:26:58 PM  

Guns n' Farkin Roses: oldfarthenry: `Excuse me - where's the washroom?'
*BLAM-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM*
`It's that there door with the smokin' bullet-holes.'

/endorsed by the NRA

that made me chuckle, but seriously who would want to venture into a Florida Wal-mart w/out a weapon of some sort?


Screw that.  I'm not venturing into a Floriduh Walmart without some goddamn BODY ARMOR.

/maybe I'll just not venture into a Floriduh Walmart, period.
 
2013-02-28 02:29:08 PM  
Well the parkin' lot patrol was a makin' their rounds, so he fired some shots just to flag 'em down an a big bellied rent-a-cop grabbed his gun and asked "Why'd ya do it?"
 
2013-02-28 02:30:55 PM  

veive: You carry a weapon so that you can protect yourself from the type of retard who fires on an unarmed man in a parking lot in order to 'mark the car.'


"I need my CCW to protect myself from all those OTHER idiots with CCWs."
 
2013-02-28 02:31:03 PM  

redmid17: he only real shortages I saw were .223 and any AR-15 variant


Well, that makes sense considering when you were looking. That was right after the Sandy Hook shooting and everyone was focused on the AR-15 rather than the firearms he actually used. Cuz never mind the whole "crazy people should never be allowed near firearms" thing. If the mom had not been his first victim, I would have wanted her permits to own any firearm taken away and any charges that could be pressed to actually be pressed against her. If you know someone is mentally ill (as she did) and you teach them to use a weapon and allow them to "borrow" your weapons, you are just as whacked out as they are and should be held liable for your vast amounts of stupid. Not in the death penalty way (which is basically what she got), but in a "go to jail, to not pass go, prepare for civil suits" kind of way. The "Obama gonna take our ammo/guns! Hoard them! HOARD THEM!!!" folks probably came out in a big way for those types of ammo.


Englebert Slaptyback: Real Women Drink Akvavit

Yogimus: I believe the real mystery here is how the shooter got his hands on 9MM ammo. That shiat is SCARCE.

Ya know, I heard that and the same thing about 22LR right here on Fark. Where do you ammo-deprived people live?


It's not so much about geography, but that most places online seem to be sold out of just about everything. Even stuff that is listed on ammoseek.com and ammoengine.com tends to be sold out (probably because it was listed on those sites).


I'm thinking you're right about that - it's sold out because it's listed online - now that you pointed it out. I never buy ammo online, so I didn't realize that's where the problem with supply seemed to be. I like going to the sporting goods stores and gun shop just as much as I like going to the Surf and Skate or the mall. If I'm buying something online it's because it's too hard to get in the RW.
 
2013-02-28 02:32:03 PM  
i1180.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-28 02:35:03 PM  

gravebayne2: so a criminal got shot at by a civilian? and now people have a problem with that?

ugh.....


Nope.  What people have a problem with is some yahoo shooting at a car in a crowded public parking lot, when said yahoo did not know that the driver of the car was even a criminal.  Did you even read the article?
 
2013-02-28 02:35:05 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: veive: You carry a weapon so that you can protect yourself from the type of retard who fires on an unarmed man in a parking lot in order to 'mark the car.'

"I need my CCW to protect myself from all those OTHER idiots with CCWs."


Same rationale for SUV ownership.
 
2013-02-28 02:35:36 PM  
v017o.popscreen.com

stealing meat?
 
2013-02-28 02:35:53 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Most of us outside of Volusia County would've had no clue unless they googled it.


Look out for the mismatched qualifying pronouns. Derp.
 
2013-02-28 02:46:10 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: veive: You carry a weapon so that you can protect yourself from the type of retard who fires on an unarmed man in a parking lot in order to 'mark the car.'

"I need my CCW to protect myself from all those OTHER idiots with CCWs."


I only where a helmet when skiing so that I won't die if some noob on the mountain, who is wearing a helmet, collides with me. I have found it to be a good safety strategy.

Maybe I should carry a gun.
 
2013-02-28 02:47:36 PM  

Chummer45: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.


At least put some effort into it.


Don't be a stupid libtard
 
2013-02-28 02:49:31 PM  

Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.


Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...
 
2013-02-28 02:50:26 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: veive: You carry a weapon so that you can protect yourself from the type of retard who fires on an unarmed man in a parking lot in order to 'mark the car.'

"I need my CCW to protect myself from all those OTHER idiots with CCWs."

I only where a helmet when skiing so that I won't die if some noob on the mountain, who is wearing a helmet, collides with me. I have found it to be a good safety strategy.

Maybe I should carry a gun.


First, find and murder your english teacher.
 
2013-02-28 02:53:50 PM  

Yogimus: Uranus Is Huge!: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: veive: You carry a weapon so that you can protect yourself from the type of retard who fires on an unarmed man in a parking lot in order to 'mark the car.'

"I need my CCW to protect myself from all those OTHER idiots with CCWs."

I only where a helmet when skiing so that I won't die if some noob on the mountain, who is wearing a helmet, collides with me. I have found it to be a good safety strategy.

Maybe I should carry a gun.

First, find and murder your

english English teacher.


/Note capitalization
 
2013-02-28 02:54:21 PM  

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...


Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.
 
2013-02-28 02:55:27 PM  

Yogimus: Uranus Is Huge!: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: veive: You carry a weapon so that you can protect yourself from the type of retard who fires on an unarmed man in a parking lot in order to 'mark the car.'

"I need my CCW to protect myself from all those OTHER idiots with CCWs."

I only where wear a helmet when skiing so that I won't die if some noob on the mountain, who is wearing a helmet, collides with me. I have found it to be a good safety strategy.

Maybe I should carry a gun.

First, find and murder your english teacher.


Wow. I stand in awe of your brilliance.

You could have also gone with, "I got nothing."
 
2013-02-28 02:55:55 PM  
That's why everyone should be armed with an AR instead of a 9mm. Can't you see that?
 
2013-02-28 02:56:05 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.


What the hell does that even mean??
 
2013-02-28 02:57:06 PM  
*shoots all the spelling and grammar Nazis*

/I felt threatened
 
2013-02-28 03:00:22 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: *shoots all the spelling and grammar Nazis*

/I felt threatened


Treason Murder! How can it be treason to kill Lannisters Nazis?
 
2013-02-28 03:00:49 PM  

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??


It means he committed a felony you idiot.
 
2013-02-28 03:03:21 PM  

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??


It's sarcasm to point out that the shooter admitted he had no idea who the person being chased was, or why. He saw someone running at thought that was good enough reasons to shoot at him.
 
2013-02-28 03:03:26 PM  

Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??

It means he committed a felony you idiot.


My point is that he shouldn't be charged with anything but instead be praised for attempting to protect the store from theft of a career criminal that is a waste of life. Now who's the idiot? You
 
2013-02-28 03:03:45 PM  
What good is the "stand your ground" law if you can't stand your ground while shooting the supposed bad guy in the back as he runs away while not being a real threat to anybody?  Damn libruls!!!
 
2013-02-28 03:04:48 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I'm thinking you're right about that - it's sold out because it's listed online - now that you pointed it out. I never buy ammo online, so I didn't realize that's where the problem with supply seemed to be. I like going to the sporting goods stores and gun shop just as much as I like going to the Surf and Skate or the mall. If I'm buying something online it's because it's too hard to get in the RW.


The firearm retailer near my place of residence limits customers to one box of ammunition per caliber for most calibers. Some ammunition calibers are only sold with purchase of a new firearm.
 
2013-02-28 03:05:22 PM  

LindenFark: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??

It's sarcasm to point out that the shooter admitted he had no idea who the person being chased was, or why. He saw someone running at thought that was good enough reasons to shoot at him.


The guy he was following shoved a lady on his way out and he was being chased by security. It doesn't take a lot to deduce that he was up to no good. He would not have been running otherwise
 
2013-02-28 03:07:41 PM  

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??

It means he committed a felony you idiot.

My point is that he shouldn't be charged with anything but instead be praised for attempting to protect the store from theft of a career criminal that is a waste of life. Now who's the idiot? You


I commend you for your trolling.  In case you really do have the IQ of a stump, the reason why it's a crime to shoot a weapon in a public area is that it's possible that you could accidentally shoot some innocent people.  You know, public endangerment.  This is of course aside from the fact that the guy who committed the felony is neither a police officer, nor Batman, and was not threatened in any way by the thief and had no justification for taking out, let alone firing, his gun.  Even if he were Batman, we all know that Batman prefers non-lethal tactics and doesn't like guns, so he's doing a very poor job of being Batman and that in itself should be a crime.
 
2013-02-28 03:10:07 PM  

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??

It means he committed a felony you idiot.

My point is that he shouldn't be charged with anything but instead be praised for attempting to protect the store from theft of a career criminal that is a waste of life. Now who's the idiot? You


Your attempt at "trolling" is a failure. While you may believe that you are accurately characterizing a majority of civilian firearm ownership rights advocates in your attempt at mockery, you are instead presenting the "strawman" misrepresentation dishonestly presented by many civilian disarmament advocates and, as such, your are exposing yourself as a "troll".
 
2013-02-28 03:11:14 PM  

Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??

It means he committed a felony you idiot.

My point is that he shouldn't be charged with anything but instead be praised for attempting to protect the store from theft of a career criminal that is a waste of life. Now who's the idiot? You

I commend you for your trolling.  In case you really do have the IQ of a stump, the reason why it's a crime to shoot a weapon in a public area is that it's possible that you could accidentally shoot some innocent people.  You know, public endangerment.  This is of course aside from the fact that the guy who committed the felony is neither a police officer, nor Batman, and was not threatened in any way by the thief and had no justification for taking out, let alone firing, his gun.  Even if he were Batman, we all know that Batman prefers non-lethal tactics and doesn't like guns, so he's doing a very poor job of being Batman and that in itself should be a crime.


First of all, why is someone considered a troll just by disagreeing with the mentality of the hive?

Second, I was insulted first, so I responded in kind.

Third, if the guy had hit a bystander, maybe your argument would carry weight, and he would be in the wrong. However, he did not which makes it a moot point.
 
2013-02-28 03:13:31 PM  
Third, if the guy had hit a bystander, maybe your argument would carry weight, and he would be in the wrong. However, he did not which makes it a moot point.

He should receive no quarter for his incompetence.
 
2013-02-28 03:15:44 PM  

Dimensio: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??

It means he committed a felony you idiot.

My point is that he shouldn't be charged with anything but instead be praised for attempting to protect the store from theft of a career criminal that is a waste of life. Now who's the idiot? You

Your attempt at "trolling" is a failure. While you may believe that you are accurately characterizing a majority of civilian firearm ownership rights advocates in your attempt at mockery, you are instead presenting the "strawman" misrepresentation dishonestly presented by many civilian disarmament advocates and, as such, your are exposing yourself as a "troll".


There is no trolling, just responding in kind to nasty and sarcastic remarks with nasty and sarcastic remarks. I guess if that makes one a troll, well so be it...

I stand behind my defense of the shooter
 
2013-02-28 03:18:37 PM  

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Third, if the guy had hit a bystander, maybe your argument would carry weight, and he would be in the wrong. However, he did not which makes it a moot point.


So I can drive drunk as long as I don't actually damage any property or injure/kill another person?
 
2013-02-28 03:18:41 PM  

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Dimensio: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??

It means he committed a felony you idiot.

My point is that he shouldn't be charged with anything but instead be praised for attempting to protect the store from theft of a career criminal that is a waste of life. Now who's the idiot? You

Your attempt at "trolling" is a failure. While you may believe that you are accurately characterizing a majority of civilian firearm ownership rights advocates in your attempt at mockery, you are instead presenting the "strawman" misrepresentation dishonestly presented by many civilian disarmament advocates and, as such, your are exposing yourself as a "troll".

There is no trolling, just responding in kind to nasty and sarcastic remarks with nasty and sarcastic remarks. I guess if that makes one a troll, well so be it...

I stand behind my defense of the shooter


Your continued insistence of seriousness demonstrates desperation. You have convinced no one that you are serious in your defense.

You are evidently of the belief that a substantial majority of concealed weapons permit holders would believe the shooter's action justified. Such a false belief is common amongst civilian disarmament advocates, who consistently prove themselves dishonest and ignorant. Through incompetently attempting to pose as a defender of the shooter, you are exposing yourself as a civilian disarmament advocate.
 
2013-02-28 03:20:24 PM  

Egoy3k: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Third, if the guy had hit a bystander, maybe your argument would carry weight, and he would be in the wrong. However, he did not which makes it a moot point.

So I can drive drunk as long as I don't actually damage any property or injure/kill another person?


Actually yes, I believe that. I know it's not a popular opinion however
 
2013-02-28 03:22:47 PM  

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Egoy3k: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Third, if the guy had hit a bystander, maybe your argument would carry weight, and he would be in the wrong. However, he did not which makes it a moot point.

So I can drive drunk as long as I don't actually damage any property or injure/kill another person?

Actually yes, I believe that. I know it's not a popular opinion however


There is no way you actually believe that.
 
2013-02-28 03:22:53 PM  

IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Egoy3k: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Third, if the guy had hit a bystander, maybe your argument would carry weight, and he would be in the wrong. However, he did not which makes it a moot point.

So I can drive drunk as long as I don't actually damage any property or injure/kill another person?

Actually yes, I believe that. I know it's not a popular opinion however


That would be because it's a pants on head retarded opinion. You aren't doing much to avoid the label of troll.
 
2013-02-28 03:23:46 PM  

Dimensio: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Dimensio: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Carn: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: This is ridiculous. The guy should be praised, not condemned.

Yes, randomly shooting at people in a public space is definitely behavior we should praise and encourage in the general populace.  I hope you don't own anything more dangerous than a can opener and I'm sorry for your mental disability.

Not random. The guy committed a crime and has a long history of criminal actions. The concerned citizen was trying to make sure he didn't get away. I swear, liberalism is a disease...

Yes, RoboCitizen accessed Interpol through his CyberLink and IDed the perp before dispensing justice.

What the hell does that even mean??

It means he committed a felony you idiot.

My point is that he shouldn't be charged with anything but instead be praised for attempting to protect the store from theft of a career criminal that is a waste of life. Now who's the idiot? You

Your attempt at "trolling" is a failure. While you may believe that you are accurately characterizing a majority of civilian firearm ownership rights advocates in your attempt at mockery, you are instead presenting the "strawman" misrepresentation dishonestly presented by many civilian disarmament advocates and, as such, your are exposing yourself as a "troll".

There is no trolling, just responding in kind to nasty and sarcastic remarks with nasty and sarcastic remarks. I guess if that makes one a troll, well so be it...

I stand behind my defense of the shooter

Your continued insistence of seriousness demonstrates desperation. You have convinced no one that you are serious in your defense.

You are evidently of the belief that a substantial majority of concealed weapons permit holders would believe the shooter's action justified. Such a false belief is common amongst civilian disarmament advocates, who consistently prove themselves dishonest and ignorant. Through incompetently attempting to pose as a defender of the shooter, you are exposing yourself as a civilian disarmament advocate.


I never claimed to know what a majority of CC permit holders believe. I can't read minds and people are all different. All I know is what I believe, and that is why I voiced my opinion. If someone is committing a crime with a victim involved, force should be justified to stop and apprehend them.
 
2013-02-28 03:26:03 PM  

Egoy3k: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Egoy3k: IWillSellDrugstoYourKids: Third, if the guy had hit a bystander, maybe your argument would carry weight, and he would be in the wrong. However, he did not which makes it a moot point.

So I can drive drunk as long as I don't actually damage any property or injure/kill another person?

Actually yes, I believe that. I know it's not a popular opinion however

That would be because it's a pants on head retarded opinion. You aren't doing much to avoid the label of troll.


I don't care how you label me. I just state what I believe and yes, as I said, if one is not hurting others, their actions should not be considered a crime. There are already laws on the books against vehicular manslaughter and injury, so yes, one should be able to drive drunk if they can do so safely.
 
2013-02-28 03:28:32 PM  

pedrop357: Sounds like a strained interpretation of Joe Biden's advice to either shoot a gun in the air from your porch, or shoot through the door.  Marking a shoplifter's car isn't that much of a stretch is it?


It's a bit of a stretch.  Not a huge one, but it is a stretch.   Problem is, Joe Biden is a farking moron.   It is possible someone might have listened to Joe and thought it must be legal to fire a few warning (or marking) shots, but anyone stupid enough to think that....I don't know what else they might be stupid enough to believe.
 
2013-02-28 03:30:58 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: pedrop357: Sounds like a strained interpretation of Joe Biden's advice to either shoot a gun in the air from your porch, or shoot through the door.  Marking a shoplifter's car isn't that much of a stretch is it?

It's a bit of a stretch.  Not a huge one, but it is a stretch.   Problem is, Joe Biden is a farking moron.   It is possible someone might have listened to Joe and thought it must be legal to fire a few warning (or marking) shots, but anyone stupid enough to think that....I don't know what else they might be stupid enough to believe.


Might make for an interesting legal defense.
 
2013-02-28 03:33:58 PM  
0.tqn.com

Approves.
 
2013-02-28 03:37:44 PM  

Dimensio: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I'm thinking you're right about that - it's sold out because it's listed online - now that you pointed it out. I never buy ammo online, so I didn't realize that's where the problem with supply seemed to be. I like going to the sporting goods stores and gun shop just as much as I like going to the Surf and Skate or the mall. If I'm buying something online it's because it's too hard to get in the RW.

The firearm retailer near my place of residence limits customers to one box of ammunition per caliber for most calibers. Some ammunition calibers are only sold with purchase of a new firearm.


Huh. I don't know if it's that we're not too big on firearms in my part of Cali or I'm not usually in the habit of buying a lot of ammo at once, but I've never seen that here. I wonder if they have a stockpiling problem where you live. I do remember going to buy MRE's at the Army/Navy surplus for a very long camping trip my sis was taking and they limited me on how many I could buy. I was blown away by that. Preppers be hoggin' the MRE's more than the ammo here, I guess.
 
2013-02-28 03:41:09 PM  

Yogimus: Big_Fat_Liar: pedrop357: Sounds like a strained interpretation of Joe Biden's advice to either shoot a gun in the air from your porch, or shoot through the door.  Marking a shoplifter's car isn't that much of a stretch is it?

It's a bit of a stretch.  Not a huge one, but it is a stretch.   Problem is, Joe Biden is a farking moron.   It is possible someone might have listened to Joe and thought it must be legal to fire a few warning (or marking) shots, but anyone stupid enough to think that....I don't know what else they might be stupid enough to believe.

Might make for an interesting legal defense.


Interesting, but doomed to fail, I'm sure. If ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it, I'm sure plain ol' ignorance isn't an excuse either. If it is, I'm going to start playing dumb more often.
 
2013-02-28 03:48:52 PM  
"As Eddie Mckee was running out of the store being chased, Jose Manuel Martinez also chased after him," Sampsell said.

Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in. And when he could not stop Mckee who entered his car to get away, Martinez pulled out his 9 mm handgun, Sampsell said.

"He fired at the car a minimum of four times," Sampsell said. "He said he didn't want to kill the suspected shoplifter but wanted to mark the car for police."


t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-28 03:54:13 PM  
Seriously, what the fark is going on in Florida?
 
2013-02-28 04:08:44 PM  

natas6.0: Seriously, what the fark is going on in Florida?


It seems they're issuing conceal-carry permits through gumball machines.
 
2013-02-28 04:40:46 PM  
Geez, all he was trying to do was punch the guy's parking ticket.
 
2013-02-28 04:52:32 PM  
Fool.

 The proper way to mark a vehicle for easy identification is to toss a Molotov Cocktail on it.

 (Everyone should carry a couple o' them in their trunk, just in case)

 No permit required.
 
2013-02-28 05:05:44 PM  
Just a small aside, but a bit of a web search reveals "Life, without the possibility of parole" in a Federal PMITA Prison for use of a Molotov Cocktail.

("Nevermind", as Rosanne Rosannadanna might say)

 Maybe use of a gun was the more prudent approach.

 God Bless the U.S. of A.

 More Guns = Less Criminals
 
2013-02-28 05:23:59 PM  

redmid17: I walked around a few stores (Gander Mountain, Dick's, and a few other gun shops) right before Christmas to pick up some stuff, and the only real shortages I saw were .223 and any AR-15 variant. Prices for other standard handgun ammo didn't seem to be too much more than normal and there wasn't a limit on number of cases or anything. I haven't bought ammo in a couple of months, but that was right when everyone was freaking out about it.


I check at least once a week, and often more. All the ammo supply stores around here (central NM) are out of anything other than shotgun hunting loads and a few obscure centerfire rifle rounds, and have been that way since a week or two after Christmas. The local Walmarts have been selling out of 9mm within an hour of unloading the truck each week. Finding .223 has been next to impossible, and when it does show up, it's overpriced. I occasionally see a box of .40 S&W on the shelf, but that's becoming more and more rare, too.

If you haven't shopped for ammo in the last couple of months, I suspect you're in for a big surprise when you do start looking.
 
2013-02-28 05:44:03 PM  

natas6.0: Seriously, what the fark is going on in Florida?


They're practicing to be Chicago?
 
2013-02-28 05:55:05 PM  
Stand Your Ground Beef
 
2013-02-28 06:04:56 PM  
manteresting.com
 
2013-02-28 06:15:11 PM  
FTFA: Martinez and Mckee were booked into the Volusia County Branch Jail and were being held Wednesday night

Oh, brother. Like getting booked into jail alone isn't awkward enough.
 
2013-02-28 06:26:27 PM  
I have a CCW, and all I can say is, these days the "good guys" with guns are beginning to scare the hell out of me. I primarily carry concealed when hiking / biking in or near the backcountry due to the high incidences of contact with mountain lions, coyotes, and the occasional bear.  That said, the CCW class was a freaking joke.  I've taken a lot of time to educate myself about the legal and ethical responsibilities one has when carrying, as well as spending a lot of (fun) time at the range becoming very proficient with firearms. I get the distinct sense that most CCW holders bought the $50 groupon for a gun "safety" class, then sauntered down to their local PD, got their permit and loaded up. This thought terrifies me.  I fully support allowing CCW permits, but I think the licensing requirements should be a bit more rigorous than "you haven't killed anyone (yet) and seem to be able to talk in basic sentences".

Also, he's most definitely the hero Florida deserves...
 
2013-02-28 06:57:07 PM  
Like they do in Florida, shoot first, ask questions later.

imgsrv.wina.com

And on another post ...IWillSellDrugstoYourKids  ... "Third, if the guy had hit a bystander, maybe your argument would carry weight, and he would be in the wrong. However, he did not which makes it a moot point. " .. do you hold the same views for drunk drivers .. i.e. unless they go on to actually kill or harm someone, that their drink driving is also moot ?
 
2013-02-28 07:07:32 PM  

dahmers love zombie: GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?

What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.

Um, that'd be a no.  Saw that on the news last night and when they said he was facing felony charges, I said "good".

Of course, I'm one of the traitorous pro-gunners who doesn't have a problem with more extensive background checks and licensing.  I would also love a written test to be added to the concealed handgun course that had questions similar to this situation.  "Is Jose justified in firing off rounds into Eddie's car as he flees?"  If you don't pass the farking test, you don't get the license.


That comment just got you farkied blue as a sane gun owner. Good jorb - not many of us will admit to having such thoughts and beliefs in relation to guns but those words could have flown from my fingers just as well.
 
2013-02-28 07:23:45 PM  
ironically enough, the shooter was wearing a white hoodie at the time.

I swear, some deity - be it God, Allah or whatever - is using Florida as his f*cking puppet show.
 
2013-02-28 08:58:18 PM  
ts4.mm.bing.net
He forgot to say this first.
 
2013-02-28 09:17:06 PM  

fonebone77: sendtodave: I could have been stabbed, or worse, and I helped to fark up some guys life by not turning the other cheek when he stole stuff that wasn't even mine to steal.

I agree this wasnt the smartest thing to do, but why feel bad for the guy or feel any guilt?  He chose his own fate.  When you commit crimes a result may very well be you will get punished for them.  I worked at a grocery store as a teenager. I would feel maybe a bit bad for the situations that drove people to shoplift, but I didn't feel bad that they were caught.  If there is no punishment for crimes like stealing then why shouldn't everyone steal?


ts2.mm.bing.net

Agrees.

 
2013-03-01 12:54:28 AM  
The danger of this kind of bullshiat was clearly explained to us in my CCW class.  They told a story about a guy, CCW holder, filling up his car at a truck stop gas station.  He hears a lady screaming and looks over to see her running between tractor trailers, running for her life.  He sees a guy chasing her with a gun in his hand, aiming it in her direction, quite a ways behind her but also running through the trailers.  He pulls out his gun and shoots the guy dead.

What he didn't see was the lady's boyfriend/husband/whatever chasing her with a knife only steps behind her.  The guy "chasing" her with the gun was another CCW holder trying to save the lady from the knife wielding maniac.   Guy goes from white knight hero to serving time for murder.

I dunno if it's a true story but it drove the point home.  Don't pull out your gun on an assumption, even if it seems really obvious what's going on.
 
2013-03-01 01:56:13 AM  
FTFA: Martinez said he didn't know why McKee was being chased but he joined in. And when he could not stop Mckee who entered his car to get away, Martinez pulled out his 9 mm handgun, Sampsell said.

Dude is an idiot.
 
2013-03-01 09:32:42 AM  

GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: No responsible gun owners around to stop this idiot?

What do you mean? This is what Responsible Gun Owners think safety looks like.


No, I don't think so.
 
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