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2013-02-28 10:41:05 AM  
7 votes:
Gay and black and a democrat.

This article has a bit more info. Apparently his SUV was involved in a wreck earlier this week, but he couldn't be found. Police are holding a "person of interest" who hasn't been charged.

The identity politics of this one should be interesting. While I'm sure we're all thinking it was some wannabe cluckers, Clarksdale is a majority black town, and the black community is frequently more parochial and homophobic than the white community. If it was in fact a hate crime, I'm gonna call it close to even odds as to where it originated.

Regardless, it is extremely sad that Mississippi has lost a man who was a force positive change. Ignoring questions of his politics or personal worth, the mere fact that he was willing to run as himself, without hiding who he was from the community... Well, Mississippi needs more politicians like him. I would suggest we ALL need more politicians like him.
2013-02-28 12:22:19 PM  
6 votes:

Bloody William: Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

So...vote Republican?

And ignore how political climates and party affiliations have shifted over the last  farking century.


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"Hi folks, Sen. Strom Thurmond here.  In 1948, I ran for President on a platform of segregation.  After I lost, I was elected to the Senate as a Democrat, where I served until 1964.  In 1964, Democratic president LBJ, working with a coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats, pushed the Civil Rights Act though Congress.

That exact same year, I switched my party affiliation to Republican, along with thousands of other Dixie Democrats.  For uh, no reason at all."
2013-02-28 11:24:21 AM  
4 votes:

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


Yes... we had a war about it, remember?
2013-02-28 12:26:18 PM  
3 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


I don't like it when people whitewash history that way. Yes, the KKK was indeed started by Democrats--but we call them Dixiecrats. The Dixiecrats or the early 20th century are in no way, shape or form the same as modern Democrats. The only thing Dixiecrats and Democrats have in common is they were both fighting against the established wealth in the country, ie: Old Money Republicans.
2013-02-28 11:39:26 AM  
3 votes:

Elegy: Uncle Pim: IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.

Someone always says this. EVERY. FARKING.

Because there is absolutely no evidence that institutional racism is, in fact, a greater problem in the north.

No evidence whatsoever.
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Absolutely zero evidence.

States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey; and,

States exhibiting high Black or Hispanic ratios of incarceration compared to whites fall into two categories: 1) those such as Wisconsin and Vermont which have high rates of black incarceration and average rates of white incarceration; and, 2) states such as New Jersey and Connecticut which have average rates of black incarceration and below-average rates of white incarceration. In both cases, the ratio of incarceration by race is higher than average.


I'd be curious to see how incarceration rates look when racial distribution is taken into consideration.  That is, if the states with the disproportionate incarcerations rates also happen to have well mixed populations across the state, or if minorities are almost entirely confined to the cities.
2013-02-28 11:35:05 AM  
3 votes:

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


which is why section 5 should apply to all 50 states
2013-02-28 11:30:00 AM  
3 votes:

Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

So...vote Republican?


And ignore how political climates and party affiliations have shifted over the last  farking century.
2013-02-28 10:33:58 AM  
3 votes:
s1.ibtimes.com

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13
2013-02-28 10:28:11 AM  
3 votes:

Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.


Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.


AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.


Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.
2013-02-28 01:00:06 PM  
2 votes:
I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.
2013-02-28 11:34:00 AM  
2 votes:

Uncle Pim: IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.


Someone always says this. EVERY. FARKING.

Because there is absolutely no evidence that institutional racism is, in fact, a greater problem in the north.

No evidence whatsoever.
i.imgur.com

Absolutely zero evidence.

States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey; and,

States exhibiting high Black or Hispanic ratios of incarceration compared to whites fall into two categories: 1) those such as Wisconsin and Vermont which have high rates of black incarceration and average rates of white incarceration; and, 2) states such as New Jersey and Connecticut which have average rates of black incarceration and below-average rates of white incarceration. In both cases, the ratio of incarceration by race is higher than average.
2013-02-28 11:31:14 AM  
2 votes:
The sheriff's office said Wednesday in a news release on its Facebook page that a person of interest was in custody, but had not been formally charged.

Jesus.
2013-02-28 11:30:18 AM  
2 votes:

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


You are aware of what century this is, right?
2013-02-28 10:32:31 AM  
2 votes:

WTF Indeed: Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.


To be fair, not many people are familiar with that area, at least unless you are into American blues music.  We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it, but you can't blame them for just falling back on the stereotype about Mississippi.  Also, homosexuality is still not accepted on a large segment of the black community, so even if bias entered into it, don't assume the perpetrator was white.  I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out his race and sexual orientation had nothing to do with his murder, though.
2013-02-28 10:00:55 AM  
2 votes:
gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.
2013-02-28 10:21:10 PM  
1 votes:

theaton: 've gone to far off topic on this thread with politics. My original point was that I find it strange that blacks want to be part of a party that wants to keep them enslaved. The Ds have been doing a good job of it since the end of the civil war and the blacks seem to like it.


Does it hurt to be this stupid?
2013-02-28 01:35:57 PM  
1 votes:

LavenderWolf: LeafyGreens: LavenderWolf: WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.

And you're basing this opinion off of what exactly?

Having traveled through the south, FARKing for years, etc.

Yes, it's an opinion, and it could be wrong, but that's the trend I notice.


So.... You are wrong. There are a ton of racist farks in Michigan, Indiana, New York and Connecticut. I can tell you that for sure.

Nobody is saying that there isn't racism in the south. But lets not pretend that it doesn't exist anywhere else.
2013-02-28 01:12:00 PM  
1 votes:

Somacandra: The general population in MS are not the problem. The institutional inertial racism though is quite significant. The force and power of American racism is much more about institutional structures than individual actions, anyway.


The strawman of institutional racism being a bigger problem in the south than it is elsewhere is just that - a strawman. See my post upthread - incarceration rates for blacks are higher everywhere than for whites - the national average is about 3 times higher for blacks everywhere. Except, in the south, incarceration rates for blacks are actually LOWER than the national average. Compare and contrast:

In some states - Vermont, Wisconsin, South Dakota - the more
than ten-fold difference in rates of incarceration is largely due to a
high black rate of incarceration, double that of the national
average


with:
Conversely, some southern states - Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia - maintain
black incarceration rates below the national average (p15 of the same report).


Now - if you have actual  data that suggests differently, please share it - I would love to see it. But as it stands, your argument is based off the same old "because history, I  feelthat institutional racism in the south is much greater than elsewhere." Truthiness, in other words, that is simply not supported by the data at hand.

Erix: I'd be curious to see how incarceration rates look when racial distribution is taken into consideration.  That is, if the states with the disproportionate incarcerations rates also happen to have well mixed populations across the state, or if minorities are almost entirely confined to the cities.


I think you really hit the nail on the head with that comment. I see two reasons as to why institutional racism is greater in the north, than in the south. The first is blacks aren't confined to urban areas like they are in the north. Mississippi is 37.7% black, and in many geographical areas (like the delta) blacks are the majority population. Since desegregation, blacks have made great inroads in local governance in these areas - mayors, police, commissioners, judges, etc. In addition to this, Mississippi has had a long history of dealing with (in the political give-and-take sense, not the authoritarian sense) the black population, whereas in the north blacks inhabit the inner-city ghetto and that's it.  The net result is that the system in the south is better adjusted to treating black offenders fairly - although, as I said above, the system still pretty much sucks for blacks everywhere. It just sucks less in the south than elsewhere.
2013-02-28 01:05:41 PM  
1 votes:

Hobo Jr.: Benjamin Orr: Hobo Jr.: mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!

It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?

lol... Says the guy in Alabama.

Says the guy born in Mississippi.

I still think it is a shiathole.


Can't we all just agree that BOTH Mississippi AND Alabama are backwards enough to qualify as 3rd World shiatholes?
2013-02-28 12:56:47 PM  
1 votes:

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


While you're busy using no-longer-applicable historical examples, will you also be claiming that Republicans are pro-environment by pointing to Teddy Roosevelt?
2013-02-28 12:53:35 PM  
1 votes:
You people think Mississippi is bad the way you think if your local ghetto as bad.

But you don't live beside these people. It is more like the neighbor from hell. Really polite but they have a slutty daughter who brings home shady guys, a son who sells drugs and not the good kind, they let their dog run loose in the neighborhood and it ain't friendly. They park in the yard and have family fights in the driveway.
2013-02-28 12:38:36 PM  
1 votes:

mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!


It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?
2013-02-28 11:56:06 AM  
1 votes:

theaton: I've gone to far off topic on this thread with politics.  My original point was that I find it strange that blacks want to be part of a party that wants to keep them enslaved.  The Ds have been doing a good job of it since the end of the civil war and the blacks seem to like it.


Have you never heard of the Southern strategy?  Barry Goldwater, George Wallace, Richard Nixon?  Those guys?
2013-02-28 11:55:48 AM  
1 votes:

Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

So...vote Republican?



Only if he's a Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt Republican, or in other words a Liberal.
2013-02-28 11:47:04 AM  
1 votes:
Gay, black, Democrat, and living in Mississippi?

So it was suicide then.
2013-02-28 11:39:38 AM  
1 votes:
Bloody William.

It may be true that at any given moment, there are only two parties that influence policy.  However, those two parties don't have to be D and R.  The main problem we have now is that there is one party.  It is the big government party and it has a left wing and a right wing.  The left wings wants to grow the government to steal money from people to give to those who don't want to earn it.  The right wing wants to grow the government to steal money from people to blow up other countries.  If you want to support the status quo, keep voting for Ds and Rs.

I've gone to far off topic on this thread with politics.  My original point was that I find it strange that blacks want to be part of a party that wants to keep them enslaved.  The Ds have been doing a good job of it since the end of the civil war and the blacks seem to like it.
2013-02-28 11:38:01 AM  
1 votes:
Is subby implying that all black people are involved in gangs and more likely to be killed?
2013-02-28 11:31:24 AM  
1 votes:

theaton: Reverend J: "So...vote Republican? "

Nope, vote your beliefs.  We must stop believing there are only two parties.


There are. The structure of our government ensures that. No matter how you fight it, third parties will remain an outlier simply because of how we handle government and how Congress works. If you want more parties, move to a parliamentary system, but in this country we have two major parties that will have any sort of influence on policy at any given time.
2013-02-28 11:29:41 AM  
1 votes:
Reverend J: "So...vote Republican? "

Nope, vote your beliefs.  We must stop believing there are only two parties.
2013-02-28 11:24:08 AM  
1 votes:

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13



More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.
2013-02-28 11:23:40 AM  
1 votes:

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


So...vote Republican?
2013-02-28 11:22:33 AM  
1 votes:
Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.
2013-02-28 11:12:53 AM  
1 votes:
It would not shock me if the perp was his lover
2013-02-28 11:07:49 AM  
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I knew that whole "Darth Vader was white" thing would get out of hand.


What's a Nubian?
2013-02-28 10:41:13 AM  
1 votes:
Well, I guess you can count this as an improvement that they didn't declare this a suicide.  They may actually send someone to prison for this.
2013-02-28 10:35:49 AM  
1 votes:

Nabb1: To be fair, not many people are familiar with that area, at least unless you are into American blues music.  We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it, but you can't blame them for just falling back on the stereotype about Mississippi.  Also, homosexuality is still not accepted on a large segment of the black community, so even if bias entered into it, don't assume the perpetrator was white.  I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out his race and sexual orientation had nothing to do with his murder, though.


This is more an mark against liberal media outlets like TPM who instead of doing some basic journalism they see a story like this and infer bigotry.
2013-02-28 10:19:55 AM  
1 votes:
Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.
2013-02-28 10:05:26 AM  
1 votes:
I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.
 
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