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(Talking Points Memo)   In what is certainly a total coincidence, gay black man running for mayor in Mississippi found murdered   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 170
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2013-02-28 10:00:55 AM
gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.
 
2013-02-28 10:05:26 AM
I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.
 
2013-02-28 10:05:58 AM
This is obviously a massive conspiracy in the making.
 
2013-02-28 10:19:55 AM
Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.
 
2013-02-28 10:24:19 AM
Fascinating story.  So many possibilities and motives here.  Clarksdale is a cool place for people into music history.  Probably one of the most cultural and artistic communities in Mississippi.  Someone should (and probably will) write a book about this.
 
2013-02-28 10:27:59 AM
And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi.
 
2013-02-28 10:28:11 AM

Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.


Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.


AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.


Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.
 
2013-02-28 10:32:31 AM

WTF Indeed: Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.


To be fair, not many people are familiar with that area, at least unless you are into American blues music.  We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it, but you can't blame them for just falling back on the stereotype about Mississippi.  Also, homosexuality is still not accepted on a large segment of the black community, so even if bias entered into it, don't assume the perpetrator was white.  I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out his race and sexual orientation had nothing to do with his murder, though.
 
2013-02-28 10:33:58 AM
s1.ibtimes.com

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13
 
2013-02-28 10:35:49 AM

Nabb1: To be fair, not many people are familiar with that area, at least unless you are into American blues music.  We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it, but you can't blame them for just falling back on the stereotype about Mississippi.  Also, homosexuality is still not accepted on a large segment of the black community, so even if bias entered into it, don't assume the perpetrator was white.  I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out his race and sexual orientation had nothing to do with his murder, though.


This is more an mark against liberal media outlets like TPM who instead of doing some basic journalism they see a story like this and infer bigotry.
 
2013-02-28 10:38:39 AM

WTF Indeed: Nabb1: To be fair, not many people are familiar with that area, at least unless you are into American blues music.  We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it, but you can't blame them for just falling back on the stereotype about Mississippi.  Also, homosexuality is still not accepted on a large segment of the black community, so even if bias entered into it, don't assume the perpetrator was white.  I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out his race and sexual orientation had nothing to do with his murder, though.

This is more an mark against liberal media outlets like TPM who instead of doing some basic journalism they see a story like this and infer bigotry.


Well, as you can see from the post above yours, there is a large group of the audience for those outlets who seem to embrace those generalizations gladly without even knowing all the facts. And sure, it could be some racist homophobic white guy - they're all over the place, even in Mississippi - but I think there's probably more to it than that.
 
2013-02-28 10:40:57 AM
I knew that whole "Darth Vader was white" thing would get out of hand.
 
2013-02-28 10:41:05 AM
Gay and black and a democrat.

This article has a bit more info. Apparently his SUV was involved in a wreck earlier this week, but he couldn't be found. Police are holding a "person of interest" who hasn't been charged.

The identity politics of this one should be interesting. While I'm sure we're all thinking it was some wannabe cluckers, Clarksdale is a majority black town, and the black community is frequently more parochial and homophobic than the white community. If it was in fact a hate crime, I'm gonna call it close to even odds as to where it originated.

Regardless, it is extremely sad that Mississippi has lost a man who was a force positive change. Ignoring questions of his politics or personal worth, the mere fact that he was willing to run as himself, without hiding who he was from the community... Well, Mississippi needs more politicians like him. I would suggest we ALL need more politicians like him.
 
2013-02-28 10:41:13 AM
Well, I guess you can count this as an improvement that they didn't declare this a suicide.  They may actually send someone to prison for this.
 
2013-02-28 11:07:49 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I knew that whole "Darth Vader was white" thing would get out of hand.


What's a Nubian?
 
2013-02-28 11:12:53 AM
It would not shock me if the perp was his lover
 
2013-02-28 11:13:35 AM
Gay and Black in Mississippi?  Are you sure we aren't jumping to conclusions on that "murdered" thing?  He very well have committed sucide.

/tied himself up and shot himself twice in the head, then jumped in the lake
 
2013-02-28 11:18:47 AM

EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover


Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.
 
2013-02-28 11:20:36 AM
Totally a co-inky-dink

/if I were him, I would have GTFO of dodge
 
2013-02-28 11:21:38 AM

WTF Indeed: Nabb1: To be fair, not many people are familiar with that area, at least unless you are into American blues music.  We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it, but you can't blame them for just falling back on the stereotype about Mississippi.  Also, homosexuality is still not accepted on a large segment of the black community, so even if bias entered into it, don't assume the perpetrator was white.  I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out his race and sexual orientation had nothing to do with his murder, though.

This is more an mark against liberal media outlets like TPM who instead of doing some basic journalism they see a story like this and infer bigotry.


That's an AP article, first off. Secondly, could you point me to the place in the article where they infer bigotry?
 
2013-02-28 11:22:22 AM
Goddamn that's sad
 
2013-02-28 11:22:33 AM
Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.
 
2013-02-28 11:23:40 AM

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


So...vote Republican?
 
2013-02-28 11:24:05 AM

WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.


Yeah and the current mayor has been in office for 20+ years. Bastion of racism indeed.
 
2013-02-28 11:24:08 AM

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13



More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.
 
2013-02-28 11:24:20 AM
He was a gay black Democrat in Mississippi... what did he do beyond that to piss somebody off enough to justify his death?
 
2013-02-28 11:24:21 AM

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


Yes... we had a war about it, remember?
 
2013-02-28 11:26:08 AM
Mississippi hate crime2
 
2013-02-28 11:27:03 AM
Mississippi makes Louisiana look like Alabama.
 
2013-02-28 11:29:41 AM
Reverend J: "So...vote Republican? "

Nope, vote your beliefs.  We must stop believing there are only two parties.
 
2013-02-28 11:30:00 AM

Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

So...vote Republican?


And ignore how political climates and party affiliations have shifted over the last  farking century.
 
2013-02-28 11:30:18 AM

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


You are aware of what century this is, right?
 
2013-02-28 11:31:14 AM
The sheriff's office said Wednesday in a news release on its Facebook page that a person of interest was in custody, but had not been formally charged.

Jesus.
 
2013-02-28 11:31:24 AM

theaton: Reverend J: "So...vote Republican? "

Nope, vote your beliefs.  We must stop believing there are only two parties.


There are. The structure of our government ensures that. No matter how you fight it, third parties will remain an outlier simply because of how we handle government and how Congress works. If you want more parties, move to a parliamentary system, but in this country we have two major parties that will have any sort of influence on policy at any given time.
 
2013-02-28 11:31:52 AM

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


Like the current black mayor of Clarksdale? Who is a democrat and has been in office for 20 years? Part of one of the more powerful, popular and connected political families in MS?
 
2013-02-28 11:34:00 AM

Uncle Pim: IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.


Someone always says this. EVERY. FARKING.

Because there is absolutely no evidence that institutional racism is, in fact, a greater problem in the north.

No evidence whatsoever.
i.imgur.com

Absolutely zero evidence.

States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey; and,

States exhibiting high Black or Hispanic ratios of incarceration compared to whites fall into two categories: 1) those such as Wisconsin and Vermont which have high rates of black incarceration and average rates of white incarceration; and, 2) states such as New Jersey and Connecticut which have average rates of black incarceration and below-average rates of white incarceration. In both cases, the ratio of incarceration by race is higher than average.
 
2013-02-28 11:34:02 AM

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


Came to post this, glad to see someone's already on it.
 
2013-02-28 11:34:26 AM

Uncle Pim: IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.


That is cute that you think that.
 
2013-02-28 11:34:42 AM

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


You, sir, have earned a "Smart."
 
2013-02-28 11:35:05 AM

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


which is why section 5 should apply to all 50 states
 
2013-02-28 11:38:01 AM
Is subby implying that all black people are involved in gangs and more likely to be killed?
 
2013-02-28 11:39:26 AM

Elegy: Uncle Pim: IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.

Someone always says this. EVERY. FARKING.

Because there is absolutely no evidence that institutional racism is, in fact, a greater problem in the north.

No evidence whatsoever.
[i.imgur.com image 300x219]

Absolutely zero evidence.

States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey; and,

States exhibiting high Black or Hispanic ratios of incarceration compared to whites fall into two categories: 1) those such as Wisconsin and Vermont which have high rates of black incarceration and average rates of white incarceration; and, 2) states such as New Jersey and Connecticut which have average rates of black incarceration and below-average rates of white incarceration. In both cases, the ratio of incarceration by race is higher than average.


I'd be curious to see how incarceration rates look when racial distribution is taken into consideration.  That is, if the states with the disproportionate incarcerations rates also happen to have well mixed populations across the state, or if minorities are almost entirely confined to the cities.
 
2013-02-28 11:39:38 AM
Bloody William.

It may be true that at any given moment, there are only two parties that influence policy.  However, those two parties don't have to be D and R.  The main problem we have now is that there is one party.  It is the big government party and it has a left wing and a right wing.  The left wings wants to grow the government to steal money from people to give to those who don't want to earn it.  The right wing wants to grow the government to steal money from people to blow up other countries.  If you want to support the status quo, keep voting for Ds and Rs.

I've gone to far off topic on this thread with politics.  My original point was that I find it strange that blacks want to be part of a party that wants to keep them enslaved.  The Ds have been doing a good job of it since the end of the civil war and the blacks seem to like it.
 
2013-02-28 11:40:44 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: Gay and Black in Mississippi?  Are you sure we aren't jumping to conclusions on that "murdered" thing?  He very well have committed sucide.

/tied himself up and shot himself twice in the head, then jumped in the lake


Nope, that's impossible. He jumped in the lake First, then shot himself twice, you big dummy
 
2013-02-28 11:43:06 AM
Dig a little deeper. MacMillian was being hunted by Agent K.
 
2013-02-28 11:46:20 AM

WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.


Came to say this.  There is an ever so slight chance that his sexual orientation came into play, but not his race.

Somebody's already in custody, so maybe domestic?
 
2013-02-28 11:47:04 AM
Gay, black, Democrat, and living in Mississippi?

So it was suicide then.
 
2013-02-28 11:49:21 AM
Amazing how so many people comment on the rampant racism of the south without ever living there. I have lived in the south and the north... It is really about the same in both places.
 
2013-02-28 11:49:47 AM
Idiot.

He should have kept his blackness in the closet.
 
2013-02-28 11:53:46 AM

neritz: And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi.


The AG of Mississippi is a Democrat. As every AG in that state has been since 1878.

what_now: The sheriff's office said Wednesday in a news release on its Facebook page that a person of interest was in custody, but had not been formally charged.

Jesus.


This
 
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