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2013-02-28 10:00:55 AM  
gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.
 
2013-02-28 10:05:26 AM  
I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.
 
2013-02-28 10:05:58 AM  
This is obviously a massive conspiracy in the making.
 
2013-02-28 10:19:55 AM  
Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.
 
2013-02-28 10:24:19 AM  
Fascinating story.  So many possibilities and motives here.  Clarksdale is a cool place for people into music history.  Probably one of the most cultural and artistic communities in Mississippi.  Someone should (and probably will) write a book about this.
 
2013-02-28 10:27:59 AM  
And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi.
 
2013-02-28 10:28:11 AM  

Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.


Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.


AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.


Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.
 
2013-02-28 10:32:31 AM  

WTF Indeed: Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.


To be fair, not many people are familiar with that area, at least unless you are into American blues music.  We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it, but you can't blame them for just falling back on the stereotype about Mississippi.  Also, homosexuality is still not accepted on a large segment of the black community, so even if bias entered into it, don't assume the perpetrator was white.  I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out his race and sexual orientation had nothing to do with his murder, though.
 
2013-02-28 10:33:58 AM  

s1.ibtimes.com

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13

 
2013-02-28 10:35:49 AM  

Nabb1: To be fair, not many people are familiar with that area, at least unless you are into American blues music.  We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it, but you can't blame them for just falling back on the stereotype about Mississippi.  Also, homosexuality is still not accepted on a large segment of the black community, so even if bias entered into it, don't assume the perpetrator was white.  I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out his race and sexual orientation had nothing to do with his murder, though.


This is more an mark against liberal media outlets like TPM who instead of doing some basic journalism they see a story like this and infer bigotry.
 
2013-02-28 10:38:39 AM  

WTF Indeed: Nabb1: To be fair, not many people are familiar with that area, at least unless you are into American blues music.  We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it, but you can't blame them for just falling back on the stereotype about Mississippi.  Also, homosexuality is still not accepted on a large segment of the black community, so even if bias entered into it, don't assume the perpetrator was white.  I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out his race and sexual orientation had nothing to do with his murder, though.

This is more an mark against liberal media outlets like TPM who instead of doing some basic journalism they see a story like this and infer bigotry.


Well, as you can see from the post above yours, there is a large group of the audience for those outlets who seem to embrace those generalizations gladly without even knowing all the facts. And sure, it could be some racist homophobic white guy - they're all over the place, even in Mississippi - but I think there's probably more to it than that.
 
2013-02-28 10:40:57 AM  
I knew that whole "Darth Vader was white" thing would get out of hand.
 
2013-02-28 10:41:05 AM  
Gay and black and a democrat.

This article has a bit more info. Apparently his SUV was involved in a wreck earlier this week, but he couldn't be found. Police are holding a "person of interest" who hasn't been charged.

The identity politics of this one should be interesting. While I'm sure we're all thinking it was some wannabe cluckers, Clarksdale is a majority black town, and the black community is frequently more parochial and homophobic than the white community. If it was in fact a hate crime, I'm gonna call it close to even odds as to where it originated.

Regardless, it is extremely sad that Mississippi has lost a man who was a force positive change. Ignoring questions of his politics or personal worth, the mere fact that he was willing to run as himself, without hiding who he was from the community... Well, Mississippi needs more politicians like him. I would suggest we ALL need more politicians like him.
 
2013-02-28 10:41:13 AM  
Well, I guess you can count this as an improvement that they didn't declare this a suicide.  They may actually send someone to prison for this.
 
2013-02-28 11:07:49 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I knew that whole "Darth Vader was white" thing would get out of hand.


What's a Nubian?
 
2013-02-28 11:12:53 AM  
It would not shock me if the perp was his lover
 
2013-02-28 11:13:35 AM  
Gay and Black in Mississippi?  Are you sure we aren't jumping to conclusions on that "murdered" thing?  He very well have committed sucide.

/tied himself up and shot himself twice in the head, then jumped in the lake
 
2013-02-28 11:18:47 AM  

EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover


Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.
 
2013-02-28 11:20:36 AM  
Totally a co-inky-dink

/if I were him, I would have GTFO of dodge
 
2013-02-28 11:21:38 AM  

WTF Indeed: Nabb1: To be fair, not many people are familiar with that area, at least unless you are into American blues music.  We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it, but you can't blame them for just falling back on the stereotype about Mississippi.  Also, homosexuality is still not accepted on a large segment of the black community, so even if bias entered into it, don't assume the perpetrator was white.  I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out his race and sexual orientation had nothing to do with his murder, though.

This is more an mark against liberal media outlets like TPM who instead of doing some basic journalism they see a story like this and infer bigotry.


That's an AP article, first off. Secondly, could you point me to the place in the article where they infer bigotry?
 
2013-02-28 11:22:22 AM  
Goddamn that's sad
 
2013-02-28 11:22:33 AM  
Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.
 
2013-02-28 11:23:40 AM  

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


So...vote Republican?
 
2013-02-28 11:24:05 AM  

WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.


Yeah and the current mayor has been in office for 20+ years. Bastion of racism indeed.
 
2013-02-28 11:24:08 AM  

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13



More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.
 
2013-02-28 11:24:20 AM  
He was a gay black Democrat in Mississippi... what did he do beyond that to piss somebody off enough to justify his death?
 
2013-02-28 11:24:21 AM  

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


Yes... we had a war about it, remember?
 
2013-02-28 11:26:08 AM  
Mississippi hate crime2
 
2013-02-28 11:27:03 AM  
Mississippi makes Louisiana look like Alabama.
 
2013-02-28 11:29:41 AM  
Reverend J: "So...vote Republican? "

Nope, vote your beliefs.  We must stop believing there are only two parties.
 
2013-02-28 11:30:00 AM  

Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

So...vote Republican?


And ignore how political climates and party affiliations have shifted over the last  farking century.
 
2013-02-28 11:30:18 AM  

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


You are aware of what century this is, right?
 
2013-02-28 11:31:14 AM  
The sheriff's office said Wednesday in a news release on its Facebook page that a person of interest was in custody, but had not been formally charged.

Jesus.
 
2013-02-28 11:31:24 AM  

theaton: Reverend J: "So...vote Republican? "

Nope, vote your beliefs.  We must stop believing there are only two parties.


There are. The structure of our government ensures that. No matter how you fight it, third parties will remain an outlier simply because of how we handle government and how Congress works. If you want more parties, move to a parliamentary system, but in this country we have two major parties that will have any sort of influence on policy at any given time.
 
2013-02-28 11:31:52 AM  

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


Like the current black mayor of Clarksdale? Who is a democrat and has been in office for 20 years? Part of one of the more powerful, popular and connected political families in MS?
 
2013-02-28 11:34:00 AM  

Uncle Pim: IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.


Someone always says this. EVERY. FARKING.

Because there is absolutely no evidence that institutional racism is, in fact, a greater problem in the north.

No evidence whatsoever.
i.imgur.com

Absolutely zero evidence.

States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey; and,

States exhibiting high Black or Hispanic ratios of incarceration compared to whites fall into two categories: 1) those such as Wisconsin and Vermont which have high rates of black incarceration and average rates of white incarceration; and, 2) states such as New Jersey and Connecticut which have average rates of black incarceration and below-average rates of white incarceration. In both cases, the ratio of incarceration by race is higher than average.
 
2013-02-28 11:34:02 AM  

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


Came to post this, glad to see someone's already on it.
 
2013-02-28 11:34:26 AM  

Uncle Pim: IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.


That is cute that you think that.
 
2013-02-28 11:34:42 AM  

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


You, sir, have earned a "Smart."
 
2013-02-28 11:35:05 AM  

IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


which is why section 5 should apply to all 50 states
 
2013-02-28 11:38:01 AM  
Is subby implying that all black people are involved in gangs and more likely to be killed?
 
2013-02-28 11:39:26 AM  

Elegy: Uncle Pim: IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13


More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.

Someone always says this. EVERY. FARKING.

Because there is absolutely no evidence that institutional racism is, in fact, a greater problem in the north.

No evidence whatsoever.
[i.imgur.com image 300x219]

Absolutely zero evidence.

States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey; and,

States exhibiting high Black or Hispanic ratios of incarceration compared to whites fall into two categories: 1) those such as Wisconsin and Vermont which have high rates of black incarceration and average rates of white incarceration; and, 2) states such as New Jersey and Connecticut which have average rates of black incarceration and below-average rates of white incarceration. In both cases, the ratio of incarceration by race is higher than average.


I'd be curious to see how incarceration rates look when racial distribution is taken into consideration.  That is, if the states with the disproportionate incarcerations rates also happen to have well mixed populations across the state, or if minorities are almost entirely confined to the cities.
 
2013-02-28 11:39:38 AM  
Bloody William.

It may be true that at any given moment, there are only two parties that influence policy.  However, those two parties don't have to be D and R.  The main problem we have now is that there is one party.  It is the big government party and it has a left wing and a right wing.  The left wings wants to grow the government to steal money from people to give to those who don't want to earn it.  The right wing wants to grow the government to steal money from people to blow up other countries.  If you want to support the status quo, keep voting for Ds and Rs.

I've gone to far off topic on this thread with politics.  My original point was that I find it strange that blacks want to be part of a party that wants to keep them enslaved.  The Ds have been doing a good job of it since the end of the civil war and the blacks seem to like it.
 
2013-02-28 11:40:44 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Gay and Black in Mississippi?  Are you sure we aren't jumping to conclusions on that "murdered" thing?  He very well have committed sucide.

/tied himself up and shot himself twice in the head, then jumped in the lake


Nope, that's impossible. He jumped in the lake First, then shot himself twice, you big dummy
 
2013-02-28 11:43:06 AM  
Dig a little deeper. MacMillian was being hunted by Agent K.
 
2013-02-28 11:46:20 AM  

WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.


Came to say this.  There is an ever so slight chance that his sexual orientation came into play, but not his race.

Somebody's already in custody, so maybe domestic?
 
2013-02-28 11:47:04 AM  
Gay, black, Democrat, and living in Mississippi?

So it was suicide then.
 
2013-02-28 11:49:21 AM  
Amazing how so many people comment on the rampant racism of the south without ever living there. I have lived in the south and the north... It is really about the same in both places.
 
2013-02-28 11:49:47 AM  
Idiot.

He should have kept his blackness in the closet.
 
2013-02-28 11:53:46 AM  

neritz: And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi.


The AG of Mississippi is a Democrat. As every AG in that state has been since 1878.

what_now: The sheriff's office said Wednesday in a news release on its Facebook page that a person of interest was in custody, but had not been formally charged.

Jesus.


This
 
2013-02-28 11:53:49 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Mississippi makes Louisiana look like Alabama.


i have no farking clue what this even means... although, i assume that was the point... so, to maintain the nonsense:

connecticut makes new york look like vermont.
 
2013-02-28 11:55:48 AM  

Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

So...vote Republican?



Only if he's a Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt Republican, or in other words a Liberal.
 
2013-02-28 11:55:54 AM  

EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover


You're an ass. Who even said he had a lover?
 
2013-02-28 11:56:06 AM  

theaton: I've gone to far off topic on this thread with politics.  My original point was that I find it strange that blacks want to be part of a party that wants to keep them enslaved.  The Ds have been doing a good job of it since the end of the civil war and the blacks seem to like it.


Have you never heard of the Southern strategy?  Barry Goldwater, George Wallace, Richard Nixon?  Those guys?
 
2013-02-28 12:00:42 PM  

Hobodeluxe: IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13

which is why section 5 should apply to all 50 states



But Tony the Hook thinks it should be removed because having your right to vote protected is a "racial entitlement."
 
2013-02-28 12:00:48 PM  
Hopefully the SC will allow for crusty old racists to game the system down there. For democracy.
 
2013-02-28 12:06:13 PM  

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2013-02-28 12:08:50 PM  

pute kisses like a man: Uranus Is Huge!: Mississippi makes Louisiana look like Alabama.

i have no farking clue what this even means... although, i assume that was the point... so, to maintain the nonsense:

connecticut makes new york look like vermont.


Well, one interpretation would be that on the shiathole hierarchy, Mississippi comes out on top.
 
2013-02-28 12:11:41 PM  

neritz: And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi.


Gay black Democrat.  Yep.  That's the triple-whammy.
 
2013-02-28 12:14:55 PM  

Nabb1: Fascinating story.  So many possibilities and motives here.  Clarksdale is a cool place for people into music history.  Probably one of the most cultural and artistic communities in Mississippi.  Someone should (and probably will) write a book about this.


I smell a sequel to Midnight In The Garden Of Good And Evil!
 
2013-02-28 12:15:37 PM  

FloydA: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

You are aware of what century this is, right?


Right. So you obviously think that past history has absolutely nothing to do with the present?

White people like you are always from the church of Last Thursday and your particular form of delusion never ceases to amaze and terrify me.
 
2013-02-28 12:17:06 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Hopefully the SC will allow for crusty old racists to game the system down there. For democracy.


As opposed to crusty old racists doing the same in the other states? How about one set of rules for everybody?

Or is racism only a southern thing now?
 
2013-02-28 12:19:41 PM  

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.


I said the exact same thing when I saw it on the news this morning.

/lives in a town that borders Mississippi
 
2013-02-28 12:22:19 PM  

Bloody William: Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

So...vote Republican?

And ignore how political climates and party affiliations have shifted over the last  farking century.


upload.wikimedia.org

"Hi folks, Sen. Strom Thurmond here.  In 1948, I ran for President on a platform of segregation.  After I lost, I was elected to the Senate as a Democrat, where I served until 1964.  In 1964, Democratic president LBJ, working with a coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats, pushed the Civil Rights Act though Congress.

That exact same year, I switched my party affiliation to Republican, along with thousands of other Dixie Democrats.  For uh, no reason at all."
 
2013-02-28 12:26:18 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


I don't like it when people whitewash history that way. Yes, the KKK was indeed started by Democrats--but we call them Dixiecrats. The Dixiecrats or the early 20th century are in no way, shape or form the same as modern Democrats. The only thing Dixiecrats and Democrats have in common is they were both fighting against the established wealth in the country, ie: Old Money Republicans.
 
2013-02-28 12:26:40 PM  

Sgt Otter: Bloody William: Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

So...vote Republican?

And ignore how political climates and party affiliations have shifted over the last  farking century.

"Hi folks, Sen. Strom Thurmond here.  In 1948, I ran for President on a platform of segregation.  After I lost, I was elected to the Senate as a Democrat, where I served until 1964.  In 1964, Democratic president LBJ, working with a coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats, pushed the Civil Rights Act though Congress.

That exact same year, I switched my party affiliation to Republican, along with thousands of other Dixie Democrats.  For uh, no reason at all."


You know, thanks to his significant ownership of a mini bottle factory SC had to wait for him to DIE to get free-pour bars.
 
2013-02-28 12:29:58 PM  

mike_d85: You know, thanks to his significant ownership of a mini bottle factory SC had to wait for him to DIE to get free-pour bars.


Wait... South Carolina has free-pour bars now?  Really?  Is it free-pour across the state, now?
 
2013-02-28 12:31:25 PM  
National Headline: Gay, black mayoral candidate found dead, possible murder

Mississippi headline: Guy who had it coming dies of natural causes
 
2013-02-28 12:31:29 PM  
But was he Jewish too?
 
2013-02-28 12:34:15 PM  

Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,


Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!
 
2013-02-28 12:34:26 PM  

Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.


And yet that area of the country would like the restrictions of the Voting Rights Act lifted, because they're clearly beyond that part of their history.
 
2013-02-28 12:38:36 PM  

mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!


It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?
 
2013-02-28 12:39:06 PM  

FormlessOne: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

And yet that area of the country would like the restrictions of the Voting Rights Act lifted, because they're clearly beyond that part of their history.


You mean that area that is mostly black... Has black mayors and senators and representatives?
 
2013-02-28 12:40:09 PM  
Strike three, good luck getting the "dead" vote down there.
 
2013-02-28 12:40:12 PM  

Hobo Jr.: mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!

It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?


lol... Says the guy in Alabama.
 
2013-02-28 12:42:19 PM  
Homicide is suspected, a person is in custody---but let's see where the evidence goes.
 
2013-02-28 12:45:58 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Hobo Jr.: mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!

It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?

lol... Says the guy in Alabama.


Says the guy born in Mississippi.

I still think it is a shiathole.
 
2013-02-28 12:46:24 PM  

Uncle Pim: More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.


The general population in MS are not the problem. The institutional inertial racism though is quite significant. The force and power of American racism is much more about institutional structures than individual actions, anyway.
 
2013-02-28 12:49:06 PM  
Thanks to that bastard Lincoln we're stuck with the South.
 
2013-02-28 12:53:35 PM  
You people think Mississippi is bad the way you think if your local ghetto as bad.

But you don't live beside these people. It is more like the neighbor from hell. Really polite but they have a slutty daughter who brings home shady guys, a son who sells drugs and not the good kind, they let their dog run loose in the neighborhood and it ain't friendly. They park in the yard and have family fights in the driveway.
 
2013-02-28 12:53:50 PM  
Harvey Chocolate Milk?
 
2013-02-28 12:56:47 PM  

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


While you're busy using no-longer-applicable historical examples, will you also be claiming that Republicans are pro-environment by pointing to Teddy Roosevelt?
 
2013-02-28 12:57:04 PM  
Probably just part of the Appleby and Blye Show.
 
2013-02-28 01:00:06 PM  
I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.
 
2013-02-28 01:03:58 PM  

Oldiron_79: I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.


Sure - it could happen. Hey, we just had a Republican Congresscritter apologize for being a jingoist moron just a day or so ago. Stranger things have happened.
 
2013-02-28 01:05:41 PM  

Hobo Jr.: Benjamin Orr: Hobo Jr.: mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!

It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?

lol... Says the guy in Alabama.

Says the guy born in Mississippi.

I still think it is a shiathole.


Can't we all just agree that BOTH Mississippi AND Alabama are backwards enough to qualify as 3rd World shiatholes?
 
2013-02-28 01:06:17 PM  
I hate to mention this...but many black people also don't like gays. It may have been a fellow black that killed him, rather than the KKK.

Or wait, what if its a lover's tiff?

DRTFA
 
2013-02-28 01:12:00 PM  

Somacandra: The general population in MS are not the problem. The institutional inertial racism though is quite significant. The force and power of American racism is much more about institutional structures than individual actions, anyway.


The strawman of institutional racism being a bigger problem in the south than it is elsewhere is just that - a strawman. See my post upthread - incarceration rates for blacks are higher everywhere than for whites - the national average is about 3 times higher for blacks everywhere. Except, in the south, incarceration rates for blacks are actually LOWER than the national average. Compare and contrast:

In some states - Vermont, Wisconsin, South Dakota - the more
than ten-fold difference in rates of incarceration is largely due to a
high black rate of incarceration, double that of the national
average


with:
Conversely, some southern states - Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia - maintain
black incarceration rates below the national average (p15 of the same report).


Now - if you have actual  data that suggests differently, please share it - I would love to see it. But as it stands, your argument is based off the same old "because history, I  feelthat institutional racism in the south is much greater than elsewhere." Truthiness, in other words, that is simply not supported by the data at hand.

Erix: I'd be curious to see how incarceration rates look when racial distribution is taken into consideration.  That is, if the states with the disproportionate incarcerations rates also happen to have well mixed populations across the state, or if minorities are almost entirely confined to the cities.


I think you really hit the nail on the head with that comment. I see two reasons as to why institutional racism is greater in the north, than in the south. The first is blacks aren't confined to urban areas like they are in the north. Mississippi is 37.7% black, and in many geographical areas (like the delta) blacks are the majority population. Since desegregation, blacks have made great inroads in local governance in these areas - mayors, police, commissioners, judges, etc. In addition to this, Mississippi has had a long history of dealing with (in the political give-and-take sense, not the authoritarian sense) the black population, whereas in the north blacks inhabit the inner-city ghetto and that's it.  The net result is that the system in the south is better adjusted to treating black offenders fairly - although, as I said above, the system still pretty much sucks for blacks everywhere. It just sucks less in the south than elsewhere.
 
2013-02-28 01:18:38 PM  

WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.


Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.
 
2013-02-28 01:20:03 PM  
Speaking of gay politicians, I have a CSB...


I was out in Vegas playing poker.  It turned out the couple across the table were from NJ.  "Hey, I'm from NJ!  That was some funny shiat about the Governor, wasn't it?!"

It turns out, they had been there all week and didn't watch the news at all.  So they had no idea that McGreevey had come out of the closet and resigned!  I had the whol table laughing while I was telling the story.  Such to the point that the dealer got annoyed and told me to shut the fark up.

I got dealt 4-7s in a hand a little while later.  While that has nothing to do with the story, it won me a boatload of money.  Really pissed off the guy across the table who was holding a straight.
 
2013-02-28 01:20:40 PM  
[racist and homophobic troll post]
 
2013-02-28 01:21:59 PM  

LavenderWolf: WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.


And... I have no idea what happened to the poor gay black dude in this story, I'm just trying to correct a common misconception. "The South is racist!" isn't just a potshot against southern whites. Y'all have a serious animosity problem with each other.
 
2013-02-28 01:23:19 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Dig a little deeper. MacMillian was being hunted by Agent K.


STUDY IT OUT!!!
 
2013-02-28 01:25:29 PM  

LavenderWolf: WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.


And you're basing this opinion off of what exactly?
 
2013-02-28 01:28:36 PM  

LeafyGreens: LavenderWolf: WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.

And you're basing this opinion off of what exactly?


Having traveled through the south, FARKing for years, etc.

Yes, it's an opinion, and it could be wrong, but that's the trend I notice.
 
2013-02-28 01:31:41 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Hobo Jr.: Benjamin Orr: Hobo Jr.: mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!

It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?

lol... Says the guy in Alabama.

Says the guy born in Mississippi.

I still think it is a shiathole.

Can't we all just agree that BOTH Mississippi AND Alabama are backwards enough to qualify as 3rd World shiatholes?


As long as we get to include Pennsylvania, upstate NY and Indiana.
 
2013-02-28 01:35:57 PM  

LavenderWolf: LeafyGreens: LavenderWolf: WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.

And you're basing this opinion off of what exactly?

Having traveled through the south, FARKing for years, etc.

Yes, it's an opinion, and it could be wrong, but that's the trend I notice.


So.... You are wrong. There are a ton of racist farks in Michigan, Indiana, New York and Connecticut. I can tell you that for sure.

Nobody is saying that there isn't racism in the south. But lets not pretend that it doesn't exist anywhere else.
 
2013-02-28 01:39:17 PM  

EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover


My thoughts exactly.
 
2013-02-28 01:46:52 PM  
Nothing good ever happens to a black man running.
 
2013-02-28 01:47:34 PM  

Speedofdarkness: EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover

Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.


Any reason why this your guess? Or is it just what you WANT to be the truth, despite having no evidence whatsoever about a possible motive?
 
2013-02-28 01:57:42 PM  
contrary to popular belief majority of African Americans (regardless of political affiliations) are even less tolerant than 'white conservatives' when it comes to teh 'gay'.
 
2013-02-28 01:57:44 PM  
Odds are pretty good that the guy who crashed the dead guys car after he went missing is the killer.
 
2013-02-28 01:59:21 PM  

birchman: Speedofdarkness: EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover

Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.

Any reason why this your guess? Or is it just what you WANT to be the truth, despite having no evidence whatsoever about a possible motive?


I agree. It is disgusting that somebody would assume he was killed in an act of domestic violence without proof. If a person has any empathy, they should be assuming that he was killed because of his race or sexual orientation without proof.
 
2013-02-28 02:00:59 PM  

Hobo Jr.:  It is more like the neighbor from hell. Really polite but they have a slutty daughter who brings home shady guys, a son who sells drugs and not the good kind, they let their dog run loose in the neighborhood and it ain't friendly. They park in the yard and have family fights in the driveway.


Funny.  You just described my neighbor to a T.
 
2013-02-28 02:06:45 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: contrary to popular belief majority of African Americans (regardless of political affiliations) are even less tolerant than 'white conservatives' when it comes to teh 'gay'.


Yea it is pretty screwed up. Most of the young people I know are very accepting of gay or lesbian people. Older people not so much. But some of my young, African American friends are the ones most vocal about 'It is wrong to be gay. Gay marriage is wrong. It should be illegal.'

If I say 'uh, well people used to think interracial marriage was wrong and should be illegal. What do you think about that?'

Of course I also have black friends who *are* gay but I don't know a lot of gay-accepting conservatives...
 
2013-02-28 02:09:58 PM  

umad: birchman: Speedofdarkness: EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover

Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.

Any reason why this your guess? Or is it just what you WANT to be the truth, despite having no evidence whatsoever about a possible motive?

I agree. It is disgusting that somebody would assume he was killed in an act of domestic violence without proof. If a person has any empathy, they should be assuming that he was killed because of his race or sexual orientation without proof.


Or political party
 
2013-02-28 02:16:57 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Gay and Black in Mississippi?  Are you sure we aren't jumping to conclusions on that "murdered" thing?  He very well have committed sucide.

/tied himself up and shot himself twice in the head, then jumped in the lake


I know I may take crap for this--but I'm pretty apprehensive about jumping to conclusions here as well--specifically after Trayvon Martin and Tyler Clementi and the media narratives on them. I'd never be dumb enough to believe the "liberal media" nonsense conservatives spew about reporting, but those two stories really weren't reported honestly--they were reported as though they fit the narrative of the worst possible situation that would stereotypically happen to a person of each of those cultural categories.

This seems to be a new candidate for that.
 
2013-02-28 02:21:20 PM  

Benjamin Orr: umad: birchman: Speedofdarkness: EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover

Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.

Any reason why this your guess? Or is it just what you WANT to be the truth, despite having no evidence whatsoever about a possible motive?

I agree. It is disgusting that somebody would assume he was killed in an act of domestic violence without proof. If a person has any empathy, they should be assuming that he was killed because of his race or sexual orientation without proof.

Or political party


Your points might be more valid if you had any knowledge about relationships he was in to form a basis for your claim. Those who are suggesting racial/homophobic/political motives are doing so because of past precedence of bias towards his affiliations in those categories in that geographical region. You, however, are just blindly guessing with no knowledge of the situation regarding his personal relationships. Nice try though.

I will note though that I have myself made no assumption as to what I think happened, I'm just heading off your predictable comeback of "why aren't you calling those people out too, you must agree with them". They just have a valid basis for their claim, you have nothing.
 
2013-02-28 02:25:42 PM  

Oldiron_79: I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.


CNN spoke with the candidate's mother, Patricia McMillian, who wanted to dispel some speculation that her son's death has anything to do with his sexual orientation. "He did not announce in public that he was gay," she told CNN. "I don't think he was attacked because he was gay."


It begins...
 
2013-02-28 02:27:06 PM  

birchman: Benjamin Orr: umad: birchman: Speedofdarkness: EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover

Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.

Any reason why this your guess? Or is it just what you WANT to be the truth, despite having no evidence whatsoever about a possible motive?

I agree. It is disgusting that somebody would assume he was killed in an act of domestic violence without proof. If a person has any empathy, they should be assuming that he was killed because of his race or sexual orientation without proof.

Or political party

Your points might be more valid if you had any knowledge about relationships he was in to form a basis for your claim. Those who are suggesting racial/homophobic/political motives are doing so because of past precedence of bias towards his affiliations in those categories in that geographical region. You, however, are just blindly guessing with no knowledge of the situation regarding his personal relationships. Nice try though.

I will note though that I have myself made no assumption as to what I think happened, I'm just heading off your predictable comeback of "why aren't you calling those people out too, you must agree with them". They just have a valid basis for their claim, you have nothing.


I just posted something about that. The worst case scenario fits the narrative of people that are critical of this region of the country. It doesn't make it impossible, but can we at least wait until we know it is actually true until we start calling for someone's head?
 
2013-02-28 02:29:03 PM  

Oldiron_79: I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.


That'll show them! Maybe you can have a trophy made for your mantle when you are right about something that you are just guessing about and have no personal knowledge of. Truly something to treasure and share with the grandkids someday, when you made an undeducated assumption on the internet and ended up being right in that cold winter of 2013.
 
2013-02-28 02:33:35 PM  
Any word on who the suspect is?
 
2013-02-28 02:35:08 PM  
This is so much more horrible than if a straight man had been murdered! Or a white man.
Thank god that never happens, though.
 
2013-02-28 02:40:27 PM  

Elegy: Erix: I'd be curious to see how incarceration rates look when racial distribution is taken into consideration. That is, if the states with the disproportionate incarcerations rates also happen to have well mixed populations across the state, or if minorities are almost entirely confined to the cities.

I think you really hit the nail on the head with that comment. I see two reasons as to why institutional racism is greater in the north, than in the south. The first is blacks aren't confined to urban areas like they are in the north. Mississippi is 37.7% black, and in many geographical areas (like the delta) blacks are the majority population. Since desegregation, blacks have made great inroads in local governance in these areas - mayors, police, commissioners, judges, etc. In addition to this, Mississippi has had a long history of dealing with (in the political give-and-take sense, not the authoritarian sense) the black population, whereas in the north blacks inhabit the inner-city ghetto and that's it. The net result is that the system in the south is better adjusted to treating black offenders fairly - although, as I said above, the system still pretty much sucks for blacks everywhere. It just sucks less in the south than elsewhere.


Well, that's one possibility, but that's not really where I was going with that.  If cities in general have higher incarceration rates than rural and suburban areas, regardless of race, and if minorities in some states are far more likely to be found in cities than outside of cities, than it would follow that minorities would likely have higher incarceration rates in those states.  States with more evenly mixed populations wouldn't have the same pattern if the racial composition inside and outside of the cities is much closer.  This doesn't necessarily point to any inherent institutionalized racism.
 
2013-02-28 02:43:37 PM  

birchman: Oldiron_79: I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.

That'll show them! Maybe you can have a trophy made for your mantle when you are right about something that you are just guessing about and have no personal knowledge of. Truly something to treasure and share with the grandkids someday, when you made an undeducated assumption on the internet and ended up being right in that cold winter of 2013.


Trophy? If I do something like that id have like a rasslin championship belt made so I could wear it to a fark party sometime.

So anyone remember the hung census worker thread?
 
2013-02-28 02:47:45 PM  

birchman: They just have a valid basis for their claim


LOL. Horseshiat.
 
2013-02-28 02:49:18 PM  

FormlessOne: Oldiron_79: I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.

Sure - it could happen. Hey, we just had a Republican Congresscritter apologize for being a jingoist moron just a day or so ago. Stranger things have happened.


Numerous people have pointed out that the guy is from an area where african americans are the majority and he's running for office in a city that already has a black mayor and black county commissioners, yet since it is Mississippi, he was clearly killed because he's black.

The strange thing will be if the motive for his killing wasn't plain robbery or some sort of domestic or affinity crime.
 
2013-02-28 03:01:50 PM  

Amos Quito: Oldiron_79: I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.

CNN spoke with the candidate's mother, Patricia McMillian, who wanted to dispel some speculation that her son's death has anything to do with his sexual orientation. "He did not announce in public that he was gay," she told CNN. "I don't think he was attacked because he was gay."


It begins...


So she says he didn't announce he was gay, and yet every single story says he was openly so and include quotes about him from various LGBT groups?  Mom in denial?

Oh, and the guy in custody is 22 and was caught when he wrecked the dead guy's SUV.

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130228/NEWS/302270056/Clarksd al e-mayoral-candidate-Marco-McMillian-dead-1-custody?nclick_check=1

And amazingly according to mugshots.com, he's a black male.

http://mugshots.com/search.html?x=0&y=0&q=reed%2C+lawrence
 
2013-02-28 03:13:53 PM  

JustGetItRight: And amazingly according to mugshots.com, he's a black male.

http://mugshots.com/search.html?x=0&y=0&q=reed%2C+lawrence


Not.
 
2013-02-28 03:26:57 PM  

LavenderWolf: WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.


IMHE Southerners are much more polite about being racist. Racist Northern cities? Pittsburg and Detroit, hands down.

That said, my money is on a lover's quarrel or somesuch, or maybe he was just uppity.
 
2013-02-28 03:30:40 PM  

JustGetItRight: So she says he didn't announce he was gay, and yet every single story says he was openly so and include quotes about him from various LGBT groups? Mom in denial?


Can't he be openly gay without making a public announcement?  What if he's just been out forever and everybody knew it and nobody cared or even remembered when they first knew he was gay because it was irrelevant?
 
2013-02-28 03:31:57 PM  

Erix: Elegy: Erix: I'd be curious to see how incarceration rates look when racial distribution is taken into consideration. That is, if the states with the disproportionate incarcerations rates also happen to have well mixed populations across the state, or if minorities are almost entirely confined to the cities.

I think you really hit the nail on the head with that comment. I see two reasons as to why institutional racism is greater in the north, than in the south. The first is blacks aren't confined to urban areas like they are in the north. Mississippi is 37.7% black, and in many geographical areas (like the delta) blacks are the majority population. Since desegregation, blacks have made great inroads in local governance in these areas - mayors, police, commissioners, judges, etc. In addition to this, Mississippi has had a long history of dealing with (in the political give-and-take sense, not the authoritarian sense) the black population, whereas in the north blacks inhabit the inner-city ghetto and that's it. The net result is that the system in the south is better adjusted to treating black offenders fairly - although, as I said above, the system still pretty much sucks for blacks everywhere. It just sucks less in the south than elsewhere.

Well, that's one possibility, but that's not really where I was going with that.  If cities in general have higher incarceration rates than rural and suburban areas, regardless of race, and if minorities in some states are far more likely to be found in cities than outside of cities, than it would follow that minorities would likely have higher incarceration rates in those states.  States with more evenly mixed populations wouldn't have the same pattern if the racial composition inside and outside of the cities is much closer.  This doesn't necessarily point to any inherent institutionalized racism.


Sorry, I do see where you are going with it now. And to some degree, I think that the logic of a rural/urban split in crime rates could account for some of that variation.

I would reply, however, that:

1) Some of the most egregiously unbalanced sentencing is done is predominately rural states lacking large urban populations. South Dakota, Utah, and Montana, are examples.

2) Your five most unbalanced states are (numbers represent black/white incarceration ratio)
Iowa
13.6
Vermont
12.5
New Jersey
12.4
Connecticut
12.0
Wisconsin
10.6

While your five most balanced are:
Hawaii
1.9
Georgia
3.3
Mississippi
3.5
Alabama
3.5
Arkansas
3.9

Given that New Jersey is only 13% black and Vermont is only 0.89% black, there is a MASSIVE disparity in incarceration rates to explain away. Black folks are also concentrated in inner cities in the south, ya know, that's not an exclusively northern phenomenon.

3) Hispanics are also sentenced at a disproportionately higher rate in essentially the same pattern - incarceration rates only run about 6 times that of whites, but yet again the worst offenders are in the North: Connecticut, Massachutes, Pennsylvania, etc.

4) and finally, wouldn't the extreme geographical segregation in the north (black in the cities, whites elsewhere) itself point to widespread institutional racism?
 
2013-02-28 03:55:47 PM  

BizarreMan: JustGetItRight: So she says he didn't announce he was gay, and yet every single story says he was openly so and include quotes about him from various LGBT groups? Mom in denial?

Can't he be openly gay without making a public announcement?  What if he's just been out forever and everybody knew it and nobody cared or even remembered when they first knew he was gay because it was irrelevant?


You're quite possibly right, but if everyone knew and considered it irrelevant why is it important to the headline?

MaliFinn: JustGetItRight: And amazingly according to mugshots.com, he's a black male.

http://mugshots.com/search.html?x=0&y=0&q=reed%2C+lawrence

Not.


Pretty confident statement.

Lawrence Reed
Mugshots.com ID: 49077015
Booking Number: 13999065
Booking Date: 2/27/2013 at 19:18
Last Name: Reed [...]
First Name: Lawrence
Gender: M
Race: B
DOB: 11/04/1990
Age: 22
Court Date: 3/01/2013

Know where clicking on the name takes you?
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Tennessee/Shelby-County-TN/Lawrence- Re ed.49077015.html

What's in Shelby County, TN?  Well, for starters the city of Memphis.   Memphis sounds familiar, where did I hear it?  That's right!  The news story from the Clarion-Ledger said "Reed was airlifted to the Regional Medical Center at Memphis."

SO, I've got a guy with the same name, who is the same age, placed in custody yesterday in the jail of the same county where Mr. Reed was transported for treatment.  There is also no mugshot available, which would be proper for someone arrested but not yet processed into the facility.

I'll admit it isn't a 100% guarantee, but I am feeling pretty good about my odds.
 
2013-02-28 03:55:54 PM  

Hobo Jr.: mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!

It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?


It is if you look at its demographics.  The state probably has the same HDI as Niger.
 
2013-02-28 04:03:29 PM  

Elegy: 4) and finally, wouldn't the extreme geographical segregation in the north (black in the cities, whites elsewhere) itself point to widespread institutional racism?



Why?
 
2013-02-28 04:14:45 PM  

birchman: Benjamin Orr: umad: birchman: Speedofdarkness: EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover

Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.

Any reason why this your guess? Or is it just what you WANT to be the truth, despite having no evidence whatsoever about a possible motive?

I agree. It is disgusting that somebody would assume he was killed in an act of domestic violence without proof. If a person has any empathy, they should be assuming that he was killed because of his race or sexual orientation without proof.

Or political party

Your points might be more valid if you had any knowledge about relationships he was in to form a basis for your claim. Those who are suggesting racial/homophobic/political motives are doing so because of past precedence of bias towards his affiliations in those categories in that geographical region. You, however, are just blindly guessing with no knowledge of the situation regarding his personal relationships. Nice try though.

I will note though that I have myself made no assumption as to what I think happened, I'm just heading off your predictable comeback of "why aren't you calling those people out too, you must agree with them". They just have a valid basis for their claim, you have nothing.


Mine is based on the statistics that show most people are murdered by somebody they know on a personal level and not by strangers.
 
2013-02-28 04:29:15 PM  

WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.


Could we try the "gay card" then?
 
2013-02-28 04:29:56 PM  

Elegy: MASSIVE disparity in incarceration rates to explain away



The FBI does not track the race(s) of victims/offenders in all types of crime (not anymore, anyway), but they do for murders.

i1121.photobucket.com

You'll notice that blacks constitute 45% of all murder victims, while making up only 13% of the US population.
You'll also notice that 90% of all murdered blacks were murdered by other blacks.

You may also notice that blacks killed twice as many whites as the reverse.
You may also notice that "Hispanic" doesn't appear in the statistics at all (the vast majority are counted as "white")

Now it could be that murder is simply an anomaly - and that such massive disparities do not extend into other types of crime.

Or it could be that blacks also commit a disproportionate amount of other crimes as well, which, if true, may tend to explain why blacks are incarcerated at such a high rate.

Any thoughts?
 
2013-02-28 04:29:59 PM  

super_grass: Hobo Jr.: mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!

It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?

It is if you look at its demographics.  The state probably has the same HDI as Niger.


Please.
 
2013-02-28 04:35:10 PM  

Amos Quito: Elegy: 4) and finally, wouldn't the extreme geographical segregation in the north (black in the cities, whites elsewhere) itself point to widespread institutional racism?


Why?


Well, wasn't that what de jure segregation was all about? Geographical segregation - you stay on your side of town and use your facilities, and we use ours.

The continuation of exteme de facto geographical segregation of blacks in inner cities and whites in rural areas in the north suggests something larger and institutional is going on. Community redlining for mortgages, active realtor racism, etc. Contrast against a city like Atlanta where much of the black population has been moving up in economic standing and out into the suburbs in recent years. Why are populations in the north so stationary with regards to where they live?

I won't really argue the point, however, and I don't insist upon my interpretation. It was thrown out as food for thought rather than something I can back up with hard data like incarceration rates. There are many factors that result in segregation - people's preference to self-segregate and live near people with a similar outlook is one I can think of off hand that doesn't point to institutional racism. So, I might be wrong here; I am simply speculating, and I freely admit that.

/time to do a literature search, I guess.
 
2013-02-28 04:48:33 PM  

Benjamin Orr: birchman: Benjamin Orr: umad: birchman: Speedofdarkness: EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover

Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.

Any reason why this your guess? Or is it just what you WANT to be the truth, despite having no evidence whatsoever about a possible motive?

I agree. It is disgusting that somebody would assume he was killed in an act of domestic violence without proof. If a person has any empathy, they should be assuming that he was killed because of his race or sexual orientation without proof.

Or political party

Your points might be more valid if you had any knowledge about relationships he was in to form a basis for your claim. Those who are suggesting racial/homophobic/political motives are doing so because of past precedence of bias towards his affiliations in those categories in that geographical region. You, however, are just blindly guessing with no knowledge of the situation regarding his personal relationships. Nice try though.

I will note though that I have myself made no assumption as to what I think happened, I'm just heading off your predictable comeback of "why aren't you calling those people out too, you must agree with them". They just have a valid basis for their claim, you have nothing.

Mine is based on the statistics that show most people are murdered by somebody they know on a personal level and not by strangers.


How does knowing the person automatically rule out killing them for racial, political, or homophobic reasons? I mean I'm sure a lot of those crimes are committed against strangers, but it's not like it's mutually exclusive, plus this has the added complexity of him being a public figure. I'm failing to see your point...unless you're suggesting he was sleeping with every person he personally knew, in which case I'd have to ask why you think that.
 
2013-02-28 04:54:06 PM  
Mississippi Flaming?
 
2013-02-28 04:55:13 PM  

Sgt Otter: Bloody William: Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

"Hi folks, Sen. Strom Thurmond here.  In 1948, I ran for President on a platform of segregation.  After I lost, I was elected to the Senate as a Democrat, where I served until 1964.  In 1964, Democratic president LBJ, working with a coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats, pushed the Civil Rights Act though Congress.

That exact same year, I switched my party affiliation to Republican, along with thousands of other Dixie Democrats.  For uh, no reason at all."


Now that's funny right there.   theaton, et al = pwnt
 
2013-02-28 05:18:36 PM  

WTF Indeed: Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.


It only takes on racist with a gun....
 
2013-02-28 05:22:13 PM  
 
2013-02-28 05:28:36 PM  

Elegy: Amos Quito: Elegy: 4) and finally, wouldn't the extreme geographical segregation in the north (black in the cities, whites elsewhere) itself point to widespread institutional racism?


Why?

Well, wasn't that what de jure segregation was all about? Geographical segregation - you stay on your side of town and use your facilities, and we use ours.

The continuation of exteme de facto geographical segregation of blacks in inner cities and whites in rural areas in the north suggests something larger and institutional is going on. Community redlining for mortgages, active realtor racism, etc. Contrast against a city like Atlanta where much of the black population has been moving up in economic standing and out into the suburbs in recent years. Why are populations in the north so stationary with regards to where they live?

I won't really argue the point, however, and I don't insist upon my interpretation. It was thrown out as food for thought rather than something I can back up with hard data like incarceration rates. There are many factors that result in segregation - people's preference to self-segregate and live near people with a similar outlook is one I can think of off hand that doesn't point to institutional racism. So, I might be wrong here; I am simply speculating, and I freely admit that.

/time to do a literature search, I guess.



I think that self-segregation plays a large role in the perceivable racial / ethnic "divisions" in societies. People tend to want to associate with and live near those that they perceive are "familiar" - meaning that they are more comfortable among others who they perceive to share similar characteristics, interests, etc.

It would seem to be fairly easy to design experiments to test this theory - at least on a small scale.

/Birds of a feather?
 
2013-02-28 05:31:04 PM  

birchman: Benjamin Orr: birchman: Benjamin Orr: umad: birchman: Speedofdarkness: EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover

Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.

Any reason why this your guess? Or is it just what you WANT to be the truth, despite having no evidence whatsoever about a possible motive?

I agree. It is disgusting that somebody would assume he was killed in an act of domestic violence without proof. If a person has any empathy, they should be assuming that he was killed because of his race or sexual orientation without proof.

Or political party

Your points might be more valid if you had any knowledge about relationships he was in to form a basis for your claim. Those who are suggesting racial/homophobic/political motives are doing so because of past precedence of bias towards his affiliations in those categories in that geographical region. You, however, are just blindly guessing with no knowledge of the situation regarding his personal relationships. Nice try though.

I will note though that I have myself made no assumption as to what I think happened, I'm just heading off your predictable comeback of "why aren't you calling those people out too, you must agree with them". They just have a valid basis for their claim, you have nothing.

Mine is based on the statistics that show most people are murdered by somebody they know on a personal level and not by strangers.

How does knowing the person automatically rule out killing them for racial, political, or homophobic reasons? I mean I'm sure a lot of those crimes are committed against strangers, but it's not like it's mutually exclusive, plus this has the added complexity of him being a public figure. I'm failing to see your point...unless you're suggesting he was sleeping with every person he personally knew, in which case I'd have to ask why you think that.


Sigh. I am saying he is more likely to be killed by somebody he knew than some random psycho stranger.

But whatever.
 
2013-02-28 05:36:28 PM  

JACKSON, Miss. - A 22-year-old man was charged with murder Thursday in the death of a mayoral candidate in the Mississippi Delta.
The Coahoma County Sheriff's Department said in a news release that Lawrence Reed of Shelby was charged in the death of Marco McMillian. McMillian, 34, was a candidate for mayor of Clarksdale and was well-known in the community and beyond.


So a young black man is exactly what all of you people were thinking about when you were blaming this on racism and politics right?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/02/28/marco-mcmillian-de a d_n_2780698.html
 
2013-02-28 05:37:24 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: WTF Indeed: Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

It only takes on racist with a gun....


Oops
 
2013-02-28 05:44:27 PM  

Benjamin Orr: HMS_Blinkin: WTF Indeed: Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

It only takes on racist with a gun....


Oops



 A young black man murders another black man. So what?

That doesn't necessarily mean that the murderer isn't a racist.

For all we know, he may HATE white people.
 
2013-02-28 05:45:32 PM  
Amos Quito: Any thoughts?


Yes.Black people commit more crime than white people.

But Mississippi is 37.7% black by population in 2010. In 2005 Mississippi incarcerated, per 100,000 population, at a ration of 3.5 blacks to one white.
Vermont, on the other hand, was 1.1% black by population in 2011.In 2005 Vermont incarerated, per 100,000 population, at a ration of 12.5 blacks to one white.

Similarly, the highest rates of incarceration are in northern states, the lowest in southern states (and Hawaii).

Say all those convictions are justifiable and correct - an assumption the innocence project (etc.) casts into serious doubt - the question then becomes why are blacks in the north so much more violent than in the south? Shouldn't Mississippi, which has a 37.7% black population, be convicting at a rate far higher than a state that is only 1.1% black?

Thoughts?
 
2013-02-28 05:52:25 PM  

Amos Quito: Benjamin Orr: HMS_Blinkin: WTF Indeed: Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

It only takes on racist with a gun....


Oops


 A young black man murders another black man. So what?

That doesn't necessarily mean that the murderer isn't a racist.

For all we know, he may HATE white people.


He might even be like Uncle Ruckus and love Ronald Reagan and hates black people.

50-50 he hates gay people tho.
 
2013-02-28 06:06:24 PM  
I was trying to find the breakdown of race for VT police.... All I could find was this from 2004


"Being in a majority non-diverse state, I think that it's going to hamper our efforts to attract qualified candidates of color," said Detective Aljaray Nails, who in 1993 became the department's first -- and still only -- black police officer.


I suspect this might have something to do with the arrest rates of minorities.
 
2013-02-28 06:10:06 PM  
That was for Burlington btw
 
2013-02-28 06:37:00 PM  

LavenderWolf: LeafyGreens: LavenderWolf: WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.

And you're basing this opinion off of what exactly?

Having traveled through the south, FARKing for years, etc.

Yes, it's an opinion, and it could be wrong, but that's the trend I notice.


To be fair: travelling around farking for years on end is going to give you a skewed view of things. Try shaking hands or talking to people and you might come upon a different conclusion.
 
2013-02-28 06:56:20 PM  
This thread got awfully quiet after the identity of the suspect was posted. I wonder why.
 
2013-02-28 07:24:03 PM  

birchman: Speedofdarkness: EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover

Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.

Any reason why this your guess? Or is it just what you WANT to be the truth, despite having no evidence whatsoever about a possible motive?


Because despite all of the "Racist South Whargarble" (not to mention the 'You Northerners are Much More Racist Than Us Whargarble") going on in this thread when a murder happens it breaks down pretty much like this: 1st look to lover or spouse (especially if they have both), 2nd look to family, 3rd look to friends,... 137th look to politically motivated homophobic racist assasins. Sure it's possible some whack-job did him in for those reasons but people are pretty much the same wherever you go and they tend to whack eachother for the same reasons (sex/"love", money and insults to personal pride)
 
2013-02-28 07:31:26 PM  

umad: This thread got awfully quiet after the identity of the suspect was posted. I wonder why.


I can only imagine how active this thread would be if he was a big old hillbilly wearing overalls.
 
2013-02-28 09:01:36 PM  

Elegy: Amos Quito: Any thoughts?


Yes.Black people commit more crime than white people.

But Mississippi is 37.7% black by population in 2010. In 2005 Mississippi incarcerated, per 100,000 population, at a ration of 3.5 blacks to one white.
Vermont, on the other hand, was 1.1% black by population in 2011.In 2005 Vermont incarerated, per 100,000 population, at a ration of 12.5 blacks to one white.

Similarly, the highest rates of incarceration are in northern states, the lowest in southern states (and Hawaii).

Say all those convictions are justifiable and correct - an assumption the innocence project (etc.) casts into serious doubt - the question then becomes why are blacks in the north so much more violent than in the south? Shouldn't Mississippi, which has a 37.7% black population, be convicting at a rate far higher than a state that is only 1.1% black?

Thoughts?



Thought provoking indeed.

Unfortunately at the moment I find myself befuddled, as reviewing the data @ The Sentencing Project, it would, at first blush, seem to turn all of the classic stereotypes of the South being inherently "racist" against blacks on its head, wouldn't it?

Indeed, when the above linked map is juxtaposed to the 2012 presidential election results map, it would appear that the "Progressive" Obama Blue States almost invariably incarcerate blacks at higher rates than do those "redneck backwater" Red states that voted for Romney.

This is a puzzler indeed, and I thank you for calling this disparity to my attention.

I have no theory to offer at present, but you are now favorited, and Farkied as a "reasonable and interesting" fellow, Elegy.

Cheers.
 
2013-02-28 09:06:45 PM  

LovingTeacher: birchman: Speedofdarkness: EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover

Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.

Any reason why this your guess? Or is it just what you WANT to be the truth, despite having no evidence whatsoever about a possible motive?

Because despite all of the "Racist South Whargarble" (not to mention the 'You Northerners are Much More Racist Than Us Whargarble") going on in this thread when a murder happens it breaks down pretty much like this: 1st look to lover or spouse (especially if they have both), 2nd look to family, 3rd look to friends,... 137th look to politically motivated homophobic racist assasins. Sure it's possible some whack-job did him in for those reasons but people are pretty much the same wherever you go and they tend to whack eachother for the same reasons (sex/"love", money and insults to personal pride)



Yeah, for a while there, the ant-racist anti-homophobe  Farkers smelt BLOOD, and they were hot on the trail.

Until they realized that the "blood" was likely only menstrual...

/Oooh, look! A butterfly!
 
2013-02-28 10:21:10 PM  

theaton: 've gone to far off topic on this thread with politics. My original point was that I find it strange that blacks want to be part of a party that wants to keep them enslaved. The Ds have been doing a good job of it since the end of the civil war and the blacks seem to like it.


Does it hurt to be this stupid?
 
2013-02-28 10:48:43 PM  
My parents, in a senile state, have decided to retire to Mississippi. So I end up driving there from my safe haven on the east cost at least twice a year. I stopped taking 40, and take 85 down through Atlanta to pickup 20 into Birmingham and than 78 (Future 22) up to about 20-miles from the TN state line. Alabama scares me so, so so so so so so so so so so so sooooooooooooo much more than Mississippi ever will.
 
2013-03-01 12:59:46 AM  
Bbbut, Morrisey said gay men don't kill.

/andrew cunanan who
 
2013-03-01 02:05:12 AM  

Elegy: Regardless, it is extremely sad that Mississippi has lost a man who was a force positive change. Ignoring questions of his politics or personal worth, the mere fact that he was willing to run as himself, without hiding who he was from the community... Well, Mississippi needs more politicians like him. I would suggest we ALL need more politicians like him.


As a Mississippi boy I share this feeling. I would have been proud to say he was a mayor in my state.
 
2013-03-01 07:35:07 AM  
Gay black man murdered by black man who might be gay. Move along. Nothing to see here.

It is the DC sniper case all over again.
 
2013-03-01 09:15:05 AM  

theaton: I've gone to far off topic on this thread with politics.  My original point was that I find it strange that blacks want to be part of a party that wants to keep them enslaved.  The Ds have been doing a good job of it since the end of the civil war and the blacks seem to like it.


By the very nature of slavery, a slavemaster can't continue being a slavemaster without finding ways to trick the slaves into obeying and even protecting him/her. The master is one person, outnumbered by his/her own slaves who know where he/she sleeps, as well as by society that at least has to try to maintain a facade of disapproving slavery.

/it's not too hard to figure out which side wants people to be slaves, and which wants to be free
//the side that wants people to be slaves is obsessed with their own popularity, to the point that they react as if their lives are being threatened if they are ever criticized
///because they know they'll be torn apart by their own slaves if they lose their glamour for just a moment
 
2013-03-01 11:06:56 AM  

Hermione_Granger: FloydA: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

You are aware of what century this is, right?

Right. So you obviously think that past history has absolutely nothing to do with the present?

White people like you are always from the church of Last Thursday and your particular form of delusion never ceases to amaze and terrify me.



I'm an archaeologist.  Your assumptions are profoundly mistaken.
 
2013-03-01 12:02:25 PM  

JustGetItRight: BizarreMan: JustGetItRight: So she says he didn't announce he was gay, and yet every single story says he was openly so and include quotes about him from various LGBT groups? Mom in denial?

Can't he be openly gay without making a public announcement?  What if he's just been out forever and everybody knew it and nobody cared or even remembered when they first knew he was gay because it was irrelevant?

You're quite possibly right, but if everyone knew and considered it irrelevant why is it important to the headline?

MaliFinn: JustGetItRight: And amazingly according to mugshots.com, he's a black male.

http://mugshots.com/search.html?x=0&y=0&q=reed%2C+lawrence

Not.

Pretty confident statement.

Lawrence Reed
Mugshots.com ID: 49077015
Booking Number: 13999065
Booking Date: 2/27/2013 at 19:18
Last Name: Reed [...]
First Name: Lawrence
Gender: M
Race: B
DOB: 11/04/1990
Age: 22
Court Date: 3/01/2013

Know where clicking on the name takes you?
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Tennessee/Shelby-County-TN/Lawrence- Re ed.49077015.html

What's in Shelby County, TN?  Well, for starters the city of Memphis.   Memphis sounds familiar, where did I hear it?  That's right!  The news story from the Clarion-Ledger said "Reed was airlifted to the Regional Medical Center at Memphis."

SO, I've got a guy with the same name, who is the same age, placed in custody yesterday in the jail of the same county where Mr. Reed was transported for treatment.  There is also no mugshot available, which would be proper for someone arrested but not yet processed into the facility.

I'll admit it isn't a 100% guarantee, but I am feeling pretty good about my odds.


Looks like you get to chalk this one up as a win

That was some mighty fine detective work
 
2013-03-01 12:23:46 PM  
JustGetItRight: Amos Quito: Oldiron_79: I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.

CNN spoke with the candidate's mother, Patricia McMillian, who wanted to dispel some speculation that her son's death has anything to do with his sexual orientation. "He did not announce in public that he was gay," she told CNN. "I don't think he was attacked because he was gay."


It begins...

So she says he didn't announce he was gay, and yet every single story says he was openly so and include quotes about him from various LGBT groups?  Mom in denial?

Oh, and the guy in custody is 22 and was caught when he wrecked the dead guy's SUV.

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130228/NEWS/302270056/Clarksd al e-mayoral-candidate-Marco-McMillian-dead-1-custody?nclick_check=1

And amazingly according to mugshots.com, he's a black male.

http://mugshots.com/search.html?x=0&y=0&q=reed%2C+lawrence


So we can now confirm that his (alleged)killer is black, so unless hes Clayton Bigsby we can rule out racism

So I guess now its down to whether its a lovers spat(as i predicted), a robbery(as I also predicted) or whether he was killed because he had teh ghey.

So is anyone that was calling me a tard for thinking it could be anything but a white Klansman want to step forward to eat crow?
 
2013-03-01 02:04:42 PM  

Oldiron_79: JustGetItRight: Amos Quito: Oldiron_79: I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.

CNN spoke with the candidate's mother, Patricia McMillian, who wanted to dispel some speculation that her son's death has anything to do with his sexual orientation. "He did not announce in public that he was gay," she told CNN. "I don't think he was attacked because he was gay."


It begins...

So she says he didn't announce he was gay, and yet every single story says he was openly so and include quotes about him from various LGBT groups?  Mom in denial?

Oh, and the guy in custody is 22 and was caught when he wrecked the dead guy's SUV.

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130228/NEWS/302270056/Clarksd al e-mayoral-candidate-Marco-McMillian-dead-1-custody?nclick_check=1

And amazingly according to mugshots.com, he's a black male.

http://mugshots.com/search.html?x=0&y=0&q=reed%2C+lawrence

So we can now confirm that his (alleged)killer is black, so unless hes Clayton Bigsby we can rule out racism

So I guess now its down to whether its a lovers spat(as i predicted), a robbery(as I also predicted) or whether he was killed because he had teh ghey.

So is anyone that was calling me a tard for thinking it could be anything but a white Klansman want to step forward to eat crow?



Nah.

The moment that they find out it's not one of their pet POUTRAGES (homophobia or racism) their brains will re-boot, and they'll totally forget that the incident ever happened.

Part of the brain's self-defense mechanism.
 
2013-03-01 02:13:13 PM  
Oldiron_79:

So is anyone that was calling me a tard for thinking it could be anything but a white Klansman want to step forward to eat crow?

Did anyone actually say that?
 
2013-03-01 02:36:46 PM  

FloydA: Oldiron_79:

So is anyone that was calling me a tard for thinking it could be anything but a white Klansman want to step forward to eat crow?

Did anyone actually say that?


I don't know if they actually said it, but they certainly hoped for it.
 
2013-03-01 02:53:13 PM  

JustGetItRight: FloydA: Oldiron_79:

So is anyone that was calling me a tard for thinking it could be anything but a white Klansman want to step forward to eat crow?

Did anyone actually say that?

I don't know if they actually said it, but they certainly hoped for it.



Weird.  Who hoped that it would be the Klan?  That's pretty messed up.
 
2013-03-01 03:28:34 PM  

Elegy: Pim



Prisons are but one institution.
 
2013-03-01 03:58:29 PM  

FloydA: JustGetItRight: FloydA: Oldiron_79:

So is anyone that was calling me a tard for thinking it could be anything but a white Klansman want to step forward to eat crow?

Did anyone actually say that?

I don't know if they actually said it, but they certainly hoped for it.


Weird.  Who hoped that it would be the Klan?  That's pretty messed up.


Read the posts.  Heck, you don't have to get any further than the headline.  They wanted it to be some white southern homophobic racist redneck because it would help validate their own tightly held stereotypes.  Anyone daring to point out that the killer was almost certainly black because the victim was black and people are usually murdered by someone close to them (domestic/lover) or failing that, someone of a similar ethnicity (particularly true when the victim is black) was ridiculed even when they presented undeniable and overwhelming factual evidence supporting the assertion.

Look at the FBI stats on page 3.  Even if every single on of the 'unknown' killers in 2010 was white, black victims were murdered by white killers 9% of the time.  Flip the situation and white victims were murdered by black killers only 15% of the time.  2010 wasn't an aberration, it is that way every year.

Remember those facts, re-read the thread, and tell me they weren't about to wet themselves over the thought of a gay black man getting murdered by a white southerner.
 
2013-03-01 04:20:41 PM  

JustGetItRight: FloydA: JustGetItRight: FloydA: Oldiron_79:

So is anyone that was calling me a tard for thinking it could be anything but a white Klansman want to step forward to eat crow?

Did anyone actually say that?

I don't know if they actually said it, but they certainly hoped for it.


Weird.  Who hoped that it would be the Klan?  That's pretty messed up.

Read the posts.


Which ones, specifically?

Heck, you don't have to get any further than the headline.  They wanted it to be some white southern homophobic racist redneck because it would help validate their own tightly held stereotypes.

Who, specifically?

 Anyone daring to point out that the killer was almost certainly black because the victim was black and people are usually murdered by someone close to them (domestic/lover) or failing that, someone of a similar ethnicity (particularly true when the victim is black) was ridiculed even when they presented undeniable and overwhelming factual evidence supporting the assertion.


Who ridiculed them?  Specific names, I mean, not just the mysterious "they."

Look at the FBI stats on page 3.  Even if every single on of the 'unknown' killers in 2010 was white, black victims were murdered by white killers 9% of the time.  Flip the situation and white victims were murdered by black killers only 15% of the time.  2010 wasn't an aberration, it is that way every year.

Remember those facts, re-read the thread, and tell me they weren't about to wet themselves over the thought of a gay black man getting murdered by a white southerner.



Who are "They"?

Nobody is doubting that black on black violence is common, and I didn't see anyone in the entire thread claim that it could  only have been a racially motivated crime.  It really seems to me that you're getting offended by something that didn't actually happen.
 
2013-03-01 04:50:34 PM  

FloydA: Nobody is doubting that black on black violence is common, and I didn't see anyone in the entire thread claim that it could  only have been a racially motivated crime.  It really seems to me that you're getting offended by something that didn't actually happen.


I live with my mom -- your obtuseness is far too pronounced. Study things out first, and you'll do far better on the trolls.
 
2013-03-01 05:33:55 PM  
FloydA: JustGetItRight: FloydA: Oldiron_79:

So is anyone that was calling me a tard for thinking it could be anything but a white Klansman want to step forward to eat crow?

Did anyone actually say that?

I don't know if they actually said it, but they certainly hoped for it.


Weird.  Who hoped that it would be the Klan?  That's pretty messed up.


From the headline on down really, they may not have said it as directly as I did in summarizing them but that was the cut of their jib.
 
2013-03-01 05:58:10 PM  

Oldiron_79: FloydA: JustGetItRight: FloydA: Oldiron_79:

So is anyone that was calling me a tard for thinking it could be anything but a white Klansman want to step forward to eat crow?

Did anyone actually say that?

I don't know if they actually said it, but they certainly hoped for it.


Weird.  Who hoped that it would be the Klan?  That's pretty messed up.

From the headline on down really, they may not have said it as directly as I did in summarizing them but that was the cut of their jib.



So just a sort of general "everybody" then?  The almighty "they" are doing it, even though we can't actually see them?   Wow, "they" are really sneaky!

Either that or you're getting defensive about an attack that didn't actually happen.  Definitely one of those two.
 
2013-03-01 06:35:12 PM  

JustGetItRight: FloydA: JustGetItRight: FloydA: Oldiron_79:

So is anyone that was calling me a tard for thinking it could be anything but a white Klansman want to step forward to eat crow?

Did anyone actually say that?

I don't know if they actually said it, but they certainly hoped for it.


Weird.  Who hoped that it would be the Klan?  That's pretty messed up.

Read the posts.  Heck, you don't have to get any further than the headline.  They wanted it to be some white southern homophobic racist redneck because it would help validate their own tightly held stereotypes.  Anyone daring to point out that the killer was almost certainly black because the victim was black and people are usually murdered by someone close to them (domestic/lover) or failing that, someone of a similar ethnicity (particularly true when the victim is black) was ridiculed even when they presented undeniable and overwhelming factual evidence supporting the assertion.

Look at the FBI stats on page 3.  Even if every single on of the 'unknown' killers in 2010 was white, black victims were murdered by white killers 9% of the time.  Flip the situation and white victims were murdered by black killers only 15% of the time.  2010 wasn't an aberration, it is that way every year.

Remember those facts, re-read the thread, and tell me they weren't about to wet themselves over the thought of a gay black man getting murdered by a white southerner.


My family history is so dysfunctional. It appears that some time in the 1840's they were able to be classified as "White". There is family lore about a couple of Klansmen in the family being somewhat shocked to find out about lineage, especially about being blacks who owned blacks.

So, my high yellow ass always gets a kick out of being called whitey, and at the same time being annoyed with the strawmen that constantly preach hatred based on skin color.

We are all pink on the inside, even the filthy Democrats.
 
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