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2013-02-28 11:53:49 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Mississippi makes Louisiana look like Alabama.


i have no farking clue what this even means... although, i assume that was the point... so, to maintain the nonsense:

connecticut makes new york look like vermont.
 
2013-02-28 11:55:48 AM

Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

So...vote Republican?



Only if he's a Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt Republican, or in other words a Liberal.
 
2013-02-28 11:55:54 AM

EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover


You're an ass. Who even said he had a lover?
 
2013-02-28 11:56:06 AM

theaton: I've gone to far off topic on this thread with politics.  My original point was that I find it strange that blacks want to be part of a party that wants to keep them enslaved.  The Ds have been doing a good job of it since the end of the civil war and the blacks seem to like it.


Have you never heard of the Southern strategy?  Barry Goldwater, George Wallace, Richard Nixon?  Those guys?
 
2013-02-28 12:00:42 PM

Hobodeluxe: IgG4: [s1.ibtimes.com image 411x345]

"Is it the government's submission that the citizens in the South are more racist than the citizens in the North?"
--Chief Justice John Roberts 2/17/13

which is why section 5 should apply to all 50 states



But Tony the Hook thinks it should be removed because having your right to vote protected is a "racial entitlement."
 
2013-02-28 12:00:48 PM
Hopefully the SC will allow for crusty old racists to game the system down there. For democracy.
 
2013-02-28 12:06:13 PM

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2013-02-28 12:08:50 PM

pute kisses like a man: Uranus Is Huge!: Mississippi makes Louisiana look like Alabama.

i have no farking clue what this even means... although, i assume that was the point... so, to maintain the nonsense:

connecticut makes new york look like vermont.


Well, one interpretation would be that on the shiathole hierarchy, Mississippi comes out on top.
 
2013-02-28 12:11:41 PM

neritz: And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi.


Gay black Democrat.  Yep.  That's the triple-whammy.
 
2013-02-28 12:14:55 PM

Nabb1: Fascinating story.  So many possibilities and motives here.  Clarksdale is a cool place for people into music history.  Probably one of the most cultural and artistic communities in Mississippi.  Someone should (and probably will) write a book about this.


I smell a sequel to Midnight In The Garden Of Good And Evil!
 
2013-02-28 12:15:37 PM

FloydA: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

You are aware of what century this is, right?


Right. So you obviously think that past history has absolutely nothing to do with the present?

White people like you are always from the church of Last Thursday and your particular form of delusion never ceases to amaze and terrify me.
 
2013-02-28 12:17:06 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Hopefully the SC will allow for crusty old racists to game the system down there. For democracy.


As opposed to crusty old racists doing the same in the other states? How about one set of rules for everybody?

Or is racism only a southern thing now?
 
2013-02-28 12:19:41 PM

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.


I said the exact same thing when I saw it on the news this morning.

/lives in a town that borders Mississippi
 
2013-02-28 12:22:19 PM

Bloody William: Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

So...vote Republican?

And ignore how political climates and party affiliations have shifted over the last  farking century.


upload.wikimedia.org

"Hi folks, Sen. Strom Thurmond here.  In 1948, I ran for President on a platform of segregation.  After I lost, I was elected to the Senate as a Democrat, where I served until 1964.  In 1964, Democratic president LBJ, working with a coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats, pushed the Civil Rights Act though Congress.

That exact same year, I switched my party affiliation to Republican, along with thousands of other Dixie Democrats.  For uh, no reason at all."
 
2013-02-28 12:26:18 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


I don't like it when people whitewash history that way. Yes, the KKK was indeed started by Democrats--but we call them Dixiecrats. The Dixiecrats or the early 20th century are in no way, shape or form the same as modern Democrats. The only thing Dixiecrats and Democrats have in common is they were both fighting against the established wealth in the country, ie: Old Money Republicans.
 
2013-02-28 12:26:40 PM

Sgt Otter: Bloody William: Reverend J: theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.

So...vote Republican?

And ignore how political climates and party affiliations have shifted over the last  farking century.



"Hi folks, Sen. Strom Thurmond here.  In 1948, I ran for President on a platform of segregation.  After I lost, I was elected to the Senate as a Democrat, where I served until 1964.  In 1964, Democratic president LBJ, working with a coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats, pushed the Civil Rights Act though Congress.

That exact same year, I switched my party affiliation to Republican, along with thousands of other Dixie Democrats.  For uh, no reason at all."


You know, thanks to his significant ownership of a mini bottle factory SC had to wait for him to DIE to get free-pour bars.
 
2013-02-28 12:29:58 PM

mike_d85: You know, thanks to his significant ownership of a mini bottle factory SC had to wait for him to DIE to get free-pour bars.


Wait... South Carolina has free-pour bars now?  Really?  Is it free-pour across the state, now?
 
2013-02-28 12:31:25 PM
National Headline: Gay, black mayoral candidate found dead, possible murder

Mississippi headline: Guy who had it coming dies of natural causes
 
2013-02-28 12:31:29 PM
But was he Jewish too?
 
2013-02-28 12:34:15 PM

Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,


Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!
 
2013-02-28 12:34:26 PM

Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.


And yet that area of the country would like the restrictions of the Voting Rights Act lifted, because they're clearly beyond that part of their history.
 
2013-02-28 12:38:36 PM

mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!


It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?
 
2013-02-28 12:39:06 PM

FormlessOne: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

And yet that area of the country would like the restrictions of the Voting Rights Act lifted, because they're clearly beyond that part of their history.


You mean that area that is mostly black... Has black mayors and senators and representatives?
 
2013-02-28 12:40:09 PM
Strike three, good luck getting the "dead" vote down there.
 
2013-02-28 12:40:12 PM

Hobo Jr.: mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!

It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?


lol... Says the guy in Alabama.
 
2013-02-28 12:42:19 PM
Homicide is suspected, a person is in custody---but let's see where the evidence goes.
 
2013-02-28 12:45:58 PM

Benjamin Orr: Hobo Jr.: mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!

It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?

lol... Says the guy in Alabama.


Says the guy born in Mississippi.

I still think it is a shiathole.
 
2013-02-28 12:46:24 PM

Uncle Pim: More racist? Maybe not. More institutionally racist? Yes.


The general population in MS are not the problem. The institutional inertial racism though is quite significant. The force and power of American racism is much more about institutional structures than individual actions, anyway.
 
2013-02-28 12:49:06 PM
Thanks to that bastard Lincoln we're stuck with the South.
 
2013-02-28 12:53:35 PM
You people think Mississippi is bad the way you think if your local ghetto as bad.

But you don't live beside these people. It is more like the neighbor from hell. Really polite but they have a slutty daughter who brings home shady guys, a son who sells drugs and not the good kind, they let their dog run loose in the neighborhood and it ain't friendly. They park in the yard and have family fights in the driveway.
 
2013-02-28 12:53:50 PM
Harvey Chocolate Milk?
 
2013-02-28 12:56:47 PM

theaton: Neritz: "And his worse sin of all?  He was a Democrat, in Mississippi. "

Actually, being a Democrat in Mississippi is not  a sin at all.  The KKK was started by Democrats.  Gun control was started by Democrats in an attempt to keep the black, ex-slaves unarmed and unable to protect themselves.


While you're busy using no-longer-applicable historical examples, will you also be claiming that Republicans are pro-environment by pointing to Teddy Roosevelt?
 
2013-02-28 12:57:04 PM
Probably just part of the Appleby and Blye Show.
 
2013-02-28 01:00:06 PM
I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.
 
2013-02-28 01:03:58 PM

Oldiron_79: I cant wait till this ends up being a robbery or a lovers quarrel and all these people foaming at the mouth about zomfg racism KKK wargarbl are proven wrong, then exactly 0 of them own up to it.


Sure - it could happen. Hey, we just had a Republican Congresscritter apologize for being a jingoist moron just a day or so ago. Stranger things have happened.
 
2013-02-28 01:05:41 PM

Hobo Jr.: Benjamin Orr: Hobo Jr.: mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!

It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?

lol... Says the guy in Alabama.

Says the guy born in Mississippi.

I still think it is a shiathole.


Can't we all just agree that BOTH Mississippi AND Alabama are backwards enough to qualify as 3rd World shiatholes?
 
2013-02-28 01:06:17 PM
I hate to mention this...but many black people also don't like gays. It may have been a fellow black that killed him, rather than the KKK.

Or wait, what if its a lover's tiff?

DRTFA
 
2013-02-28 01:12:00 PM

Somacandra: The general population in MS are not the problem. The institutional inertial racism though is quite significant. The force and power of American racism is much more about institutional structures than individual actions, anyway.


The strawman of institutional racism being a bigger problem in the south than it is elsewhere is just that - a strawman. See my post upthread - incarceration rates for blacks are higher everywhere than for whites - the national average is about 3 times higher for blacks everywhere. Except, in the south, incarceration rates for blacks are actually LOWER than the national average. Compare and contrast:

In some states - Vermont, Wisconsin, South Dakota - the more
than ten-fold difference in rates of incarceration is largely due to a
high black rate of incarceration, double that of the national
average


with:
Conversely, some southern states - Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia - maintain
black incarceration rates below the national average (p15 of the same report).


Now - if you have actual  data that suggests differently, please share it - I would love to see it. But as it stands, your argument is based off the same old "because history, I  feelthat institutional racism in the south is much greater than elsewhere." Truthiness, in other words, that is simply not supported by the data at hand.

Erix: I'd be curious to see how incarceration rates look when racial distribution is taken into consideration.  That is, if the states with the disproportionate incarcerations rates also happen to have well mixed populations across the state, or if minorities are almost entirely confined to the cities.


I think you really hit the nail on the head with that comment. I see two reasons as to why institutional racism is greater in the north, than in the south. The first is blacks aren't confined to urban areas like they are in the north. Mississippi is 37.7% black, and in many geographical areas (like the delta) blacks are the majority population. Since desegregation, blacks have made great inroads in local governance in these areas - mayors, police, commissioners, judges, etc. In addition to this, Mississippi has had a long history of dealing with (in the political give-and-take sense, not the authoritarian sense) the black population, whereas in the north blacks inhabit the inner-city ghetto and that's it.  The net result is that the system in the south is better adjusted to treating black offenders fairly - although, as I said above, the system still pretty much sucks for blacks everywhere. It just sucks less in the south than elsewhere.
 
2013-02-28 01:18:38 PM

WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.


Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.
 
2013-02-28 01:20:03 PM
Speaking of gay politicians, I have a CSB...


I was out in Vegas playing poker.  It turned out the couple across the table were from NJ.  "Hey, I'm from NJ!  That was some funny shiat about the Governor, wasn't it?!"

It turns out, they had been there all week and didn't watch the news at all.  So they had no idea that McGreevey had come out of the closet and resigned!  I had the whol table laughing while I was telling the story.  Such to the point that the dealer got annoyed and told me to shut the fark up.

I got dealt 4-7s in a hand a little while later.  While that has nothing to do with the story, it won me a boatload of money.  Really pissed off the guy across the table who was holding a straight.
 
2013-02-28 01:20:40 PM
[racist and homophobic troll post]
 
2013-02-28 01:21:59 PM

LavenderWolf: WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.


And... I have no idea what happened to the poor gay black dude in this story, I'm just trying to correct a common misconception. "The South is racist!" isn't just a potshot against southern whites. Y'all have a serious animosity problem with each other.
 
2013-02-28 01:23:19 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Dig a little deeper. MacMillian was being hunted by Agent K.


STUDY IT OUT!!!
 
2013-02-28 01:25:29 PM

LavenderWolf: WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.


And you're basing this opinion off of what exactly?
 
2013-02-28 01:28:36 PM

LeafyGreens: LavenderWolf: WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.

And you're basing this opinion off of what exactly?


Having traveled through the south, FARKing for years, etc.

Yes, it's an opinion, and it could be wrong, but that's the trend I notice.
 
2013-02-28 01:31:41 PM

CheekyMonkey: Hobo Jr.: Benjamin Orr: Hobo Jr.: mikaloyd: Nabb1: We all generalize Mississippi a lot, and frankly, they deserve it,

Well as long as they deserve it lets lynch the bastards!

It would raise the national IQ while lowering national average weight, rate of diabetes, teen pregnancy and raising literacy rates.

Why is Mississippi a state? Shouldn't they be treated more like a third world colony?

lol... Says the guy in Alabama.

Says the guy born in Mississippi.

I still think it is a shiathole.

Can't we all just agree that BOTH Mississippi AND Alabama are backwards enough to qualify as 3rd World shiatholes?


As long as we get to include Pennsylvania, upstate NY and Indiana.
 
2013-02-28 01:35:57 PM

LavenderWolf: LeafyGreens: LavenderWolf: WTF Indeed: Weaver95: gay AND black?  yeah...he was pushing it a bit far for that area of the country.

Walker: I'm surprised they let him live this long. This IS Mississippi we're talking about.

AirForceVet: Glad to see this story green-lighted. I submitted it under another source, so-so headline.

Clarksdale, MS: Home of the Delta Blues. Where the population is 54% black, the current mayor is black, and two of the four commissoners are black is a bastion of southern racism.

Listen, nobody's racist like the south.

The problem is, white people hear that as "White southerners are racist!" when, really, I mean that about the South as a whole. Southern whites, and blacks, and latinos, and pretty much everyone there are far more racist than here in Canada or what my experiences in the northern US tell me it is like there. Southern whites and blacks have so much more animosity towards each other in the south than in the north. It was downright frightening to see literally visible animosity between total strangers.

And you're basing this opinion off of what exactly?

Having traveled through the south, FARKing for years, etc.

Yes, it's an opinion, and it could be wrong, but that's the trend I notice.


So.... You are wrong. There are a ton of racist farks in Michigan, Indiana, New York and Connecticut. I can tell you that for sure.

Nobody is saying that there isn't racism in the south. But lets not pretend that it doesn't exist anywhere else.
 
2013-02-28 01:39:17 PM

EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover


My thoughts exactly.
 
2013-02-28 01:46:52 PM
Nothing good ever happens to a black man running.
 
2013-02-28 01:47:34 PM

Speedofdarkness: EnviroDude: It would not shock me if the perp was his lover

Came in here to say this. My guess is love triangle gone wrong.


Any reason why this your guess? Or is it just what you WANT to be the truth, despite having no evidence whatsoever about a possible motive?
 
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