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(Rolling Stone)   Eric Clapton says he will stop touring when he turns 70. In other news, Eric Clapton isn't 70   (rollingstone.com) divider line 112
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2013-02-28 10:13:17 AM  
Clapton rocked the Cee apostrophe D on Top Gear.
 
2013-02-28 10:13:32 AM  
Maybe he will stop touring in order to give racist speeches at white pride rallies.  I'm sure he's been dying to do more of that.
 
2013-02-28 10:16:18 AM  
In before the "Clapton is overrated" crowd shows up.
 
2013-02-28 10:18:23 AM  

beerrun: In before the "Clapton is overrated" crowd shows up.


He can play guitar.  He is just a racist twit.
 
2013-02-28 10:20:49 AM  
Clapton is overrated.
 
2013-02-28 10:21:15 AM  

flaminio: Clapton rocked the Cee apostrophe D on Top Gear.


just saw that. boy, they pulled out all the celeb stops for that one!
 
2013-02-28 10:21:51 AM  

FarkedOver: He is just a racist twit.


explain, please.
 
2013-02-28 10:24:47 AM  

FlashHarry: FarkedOver: He is just a racist twit.

explain, please.


Ditto.
 
2013-02-28 10:25:03 AM  

FlashHarry: FarkedOver: He is just a racist twit.

explain, please.


"I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. farking wogs, man. farking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and farking Jamaicans and farking (indecipherable) don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want farking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fark's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"
 
2013-02-28 10:25:09 AM  

FlashHarry: FarkedOver: He is just a racist twit.

explain, please.


Yeah, I've never heard this about him.  I always thought he idolized the american blues legends.
 
2013-02-28 10:25:47 AM  
Also Clapton has been on record as saying: "Adolf Hitler was the first rockstar"
 
2013-02-28 10:28:32 AM  
You would think he wouldn't be racist after his heavy blues influence and after covering Bob farking Marley, but he's just a closed minded jack ass.
 
2013-02-28 10:30:13 AM  

stupiddream: FlashHarry: FarkedOver: He is just a racist twit.

explain, please.

Yeah, I've never heard this about him.  I always thought he idolized the american blues legends.


When he was heavy into alcoholism, somebody of a different race tried picking up his at-the-time girlfriend backstage, so during his concert he made some dumb remarks. Then everyone decided to take an alcoholic's words at face value because he was famous, and clearly thinking correctly. Because alcohol is a truth serum or some shiat.
 
2013-02-28 10:30:13 AM  

stupiddream: FlashHarry: FarkedOver: He is just a racist twit.

explain, please.

Yeah, I've never heard this about him.  I always thought he idolized the american blues legends.



I listened to the whole Riding with the King album and Clapton never once called BB King a racial slur.
 
2013-02-28 10:32:02 AM  
I wasn't aware that God aged.
 
2013-02-28 10:35:34 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: stupiddream: FlashHarry: FarkedOver: He is just a racist twit.

explain, please.

Yeah, I've never heard this about him.  I always thought he idolized the american blues legends.

When he was heavy into alcoholism, somebody of a different race tried picking up his at-the-time girlfriend backstage, so during his concert he made some dumb remarks. Then everyone decided to take an alcoholic's words at face value because he was famous, and clearly thinking correctly. Because alcohol is a truth serum or some shiat.


Just because he was drunk/drinking at the time doesn't mean he doesn't believe what he said.  The man went on and on about it.  He picked out many different races in that tirade. He holds white supremacist beliefs, or is a segregationist at the very least.
 
2013-02-28 10:38:36 AM  
Further more... "Clapton has never denied making these statements and has refused to apologize for his remarks or distance himself from them, although he denies that his views are racist and states that he is merely an opponent of mass immigration."

But he's not a racist.... nope.  Not at all.
 
2013-02-28 10:42:45 AM  
I'd pay 50 bucks to watch Clapton tune a guitar.
 
2013-02-28 10:46:34 AM  
You know who else is rascist? Your grandparents, but you still love them right?

/he's a pretty shiatty rascist, what with the effusively praising and giving credit to so many of the black blues musicians who influenced him
//and that tribute he did for Robert Johnson
///and that album he recorded with BB King
 
2013-02-28 10:51:39 AM  
Citation, please.
 
2013-02-28 10:51:44 AM  
You know the best thing about Clapton?

/he's not Ted Nugent
//rock on, guitar god
 
2013-02-28 10:53:36 AM  

js34603: You know who else is rascist? Your grandparents, but you still love them right?

/he's a pretty shiatty rascist, what with the effusively praising and giving credit to so many of the black blues musicians who influenced him
//and that tribute he did for Robert Johnson
///and that album he recorded with BB King


He said some pretty vile stuff, but he has a black friend so it's all good!

There's no doubt the man can play guitar, but he obviously harbors some nasty ideas and is not a decent human being.
 
2013-02-28 10:53:58 AM  
Yeah kinda hard to be racist when you are friends with BB King and Buddy Guy. Worship Robert Johnson, Big Bill Broonzy, Leadbelly, Albert King, Freddy King. Keep hiring  black bass players, having Gary Clark Jr as your opening act..ect ect
 
2013-02-28 10:56:14 AM  
I saw him live. The opening act from Robert Randolph was wayyyy more fun.
 
2013-02-28 10:56:40 AM  

Krab: Yeah kinda hard to be racist when you are friends with BB King and Buddy Guy. Worship Robert Johnson, Big Bill Broonzy, Leadbelly, Albert King, Freddy King. Keep hiring  black bass players, having Gary Clark Jr as your opening act..ect ect


It may be "kinda hard" but dammit he sure did find a way.  I guess that's a pretty tough feat to achieve but kudos to him on his ridiculous accomplishment.
 
2013-02-28 10:57:06 AM  
Great, so now he will be able to spend more time with his kid.
 
2013-02-28 10:57:48 AM  

FarkedOver: FlashHarry: FarkedOver: He is just a racist twit.

explain, please.

"I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. farking wogs, man. farking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and farking Jamaicans and farking (indecipherable) don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want farking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fark's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"


And where is the source of this?
 
2013-02-28 11:00:02 AM  

vudukungfu: Great, so now he will be able to spend more time with his kid.


It reminds of this song by a band called Anal C*nt called "Your Kid Committed Suicide Because you Suck"

"Sometimes I wish you didn't die
Because I hate that song 'Tears in Heaven'
I was glad you died until he wrote that song"

A little snippet of the song ^
 
2013-02-28 11:01:52 AM  

LoneWolf343: FarkedOver: FlashHarry: FarkedOver: He is just a racist twit.

explain, please.

"I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. farking wogs, man. farking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and farking Jamaicans and farking (indecipherable) don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want farking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fark's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"

And where is the source of this?


Quoted in Rebel Rock by J. Street. First Edition (1986). Oxford: Basil Blackwell. pp. 74-75. Street's sources are editions of the New Musical Express, Melody Maker and the Guardian and Times newspapers from the time.

Also it was one of the major reasons for the founding of the Rock Against Racism concert.
 
2013-02-28 11:02:11 AM  

FarkedOver: js34603: You know who else is rascist? Your grandparents, but you still love them right?

/he's a pretty shiatty rascist, what with the effusively praising and giving credit to so many of the black blues musicians who influenced him
//and that tribute he did for Robert Johnson
///and that album he recorded with BB King

He said some pretty vile stuff, but he has a black friend so it's all good!

There's no doubt the man can play guitar, but he obviously harbors some nasty ideas and is not a decent human being.


It's not necessarily racist to not be keen about having your country overrun by third world refugees, If that's his complaint.
 
2013-02-28 11:03:13 AM  

Crewmannumber6: FarkedOver: js34603: You know who else is rascist? Your grandparents, but you still love them right?

/he's a pretty shiatty rascist, what with the effusively praising and giving credit to so many of the black blues musicians who influenced him
//and that tribute he did for Robert Johnson
///and that album he recorded with BB King

He said some pretty vile stuff, but he has a black friend so it's all good!

There's no doubt the man can play guitar, but he obviously harbors some nasty ideas and is not a decent human being.

It's not necessarily racist to not be keen about having your country overrun by third world refugees, If that's his complaint.


the term "wog" and "coon" aren't exactly nice terms to use to convey that point.
 
2013-02-28 11:09:27 AM  

FarkedOver: vudukungfu: Great, so now he will be able to spend more time with his kid.

It reminds of this song by a band called Anal C*nt called "Your Kid Committed Suicide Because you Suck"

"Sometimes I wish you didn't die
Because I hate that song 'Tears in Heaven'
I was glad you died until he wrote that song"

A little snippet of the song ^


Clearly they and you are much more decent human beings than Clapton.

/you trolled us! Nice job, you got the attention you so desperately craved
//honestly I think I'd rather have the "Clapton is overrated" trolls
 
2013-02-28 11:11:51 AM  

js34603: FarkedOver: vudukungfu: Great, so now he will be able to spend more time with his kid.

It reminds of this song by a band called Anal C*nt called "Your Kid Committed Suicide Because you Suck"

"Sometimes I wish you didn't die
Because I hate that song 'Tears in Heaven'
I was glad you died until he wrote that song"

A little snippet of the song ^

Clearly they and you are much more decent human beings than Clapton.

/you trolled us! Nice job, you got the attention you so desperately craved
//honestly I think I'd rather have the "Clapton is overrated" trolls


anyone who listens to AC knows they are a ridiculous band. That being said, I am not trolling when it comes to Clapton's racists views.  That is a matter of fact.  I'm sorry I took your hero down or notch or two.  But please go on and defend the indefensible some more.
 
2013-02-28 11:20:49 AM  

GAT_00: I wasn't aware that God aged.


disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com

What does God want with a guitar?
 
2013-02-28 11:21:20 AM  
Of course he's a racist.  I mean seriously, he was in a band called Cream.  Cream!  That stuff is used to lighten things that are black.  Such as coffee.  And pecan pie.  How racist can you get?  etc etc.
 
2013-02-28 11:21:27 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: Because alcohol is a truth serum or some shiat.


It often is, actually. Reduces inhibitions and all that.
 
2013-02-28 11:28:12 AM  

Kyosuke: AnotherBluesStringer: Because alcohol is a truth serum or some shiat.

It often is, actually. Reduces inhibitions and all that.


Yeah, but that can also mean that you would say horrible things thinking they were funny when you would know better sober.
 
2013-02-28 11:29:15 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: Because alcohol is a truth serum or some shiat.


A drunk man's word is the sober man's thought.
 
2013-02-28 11:33:09 AM  
Old guy is old......
 
2013-02-28 11:35:31 AM  
Well, if those are his true sentiments, the battle is already lost.  Only 40% of Londoners are white.
 
2013-02-28 11:46:00 AM  
after doing a little research on EC, i can honestly say that i'm fairly disgusted at his views on immigration. i mean as recently as 2007, he was still lauding enoch powell as "brave" and "not racist."
 
2013-02-28 11:48:19 AM  

FlashHarry: after doing a little research on EC, i can honestly say that i'm fairly disgusted at his views on immigration. i mean as recently as 2007, he was still lauding enoch powell as "brave" and "not racist."


That's all I'm saying.  I am not taking away from his guitar playing chops.  That farker can play.  But as a human being he has some pretty despicable views.
 
2013-02-28 11:53:32 AM  

padraig: AnotherBluesStringer: Because alcohol is a truth serum or some shiat.

A drunk man's word is the sober man's thought.


Yeah sure. The "hold my beer and watch this" type activities are exactly the type of thing that you would think is a great idea when you are sober.
 
2013-02-28 11:54:50 AM  

FarkedOver: FlashHarry: after doing a little research on EC, i can honestly say that i'm fairly disgusted at his views on immigration. i mean as recently as 2007, he was still lauding enoch powell as "brave" and "not racist."

That's all I'm saying.  I am not taking away from his guitar playing chops.  That farker can play.  But as a human being he has some pretty despicable views.



He doesn't approve of "... inviting people in as cheap labour and then putting them in ghettos." Now that is truly despicable.

You should scroll down to that last paragraph in the controversy section of his wiki page you've been quoting, FarkedOver. It might add context to his drunken slurs and hurt your "He's a mean racist but good at guitar" shtick.
 
2013-02-28 11:55:31 AM  

FarkedOver: But as a human being he has some pretty despicable views.


i had no idea. i vaguely remember the rock against racism thing when i was a kid, but i chalked it up to his alcoholism. but the fact that he still thinks powell is anything but a racist piece of filth is pretty disturbing.
 
2013-02-28 11:56:51 AM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: FarkedOver: FlashHarry: after doing a little research on EC, i can honestly say that i'm fairly disgusted at his views on immigration. i mean as recently as 2007, he was still lauding enoch powell as "brave" and "not racist."

That's all I'm saying.  I am not taking away from his guitar playing chops.  That farker can play.  But as a human being he has some pretty despicable views.


He doesn't approve of "... inviting people in as cheap labour and then putting them in ghettos." Now that is truly despicable.

You should scroll down to that last paragraph in the controversy section of his wiki page you've been quoting, FarkedOver. It might add context to his drunken slurs and hurt your "He's a mean racist but good at guitar" shtick.


I've read it all.  I've read that he hasn't apologized or backed off the statements he has made previously. You know what he says he did learn from all of this "To keep my opinions to myself."  He's a real standup guy.  I'm glad he's since sanitized his message to sound like a conservative rather than a raging member of the National Front.
 
2013-02-28 11:59:12 AM  

FarkedOver: But as a human being he has some pretty despicable views.


I care about his socio-political views as much as I care about Barack Obama's musical ability.

That said, I'm not really a fan. Not a detractor either. Meh.

/his dvd with Steve Winwood at Madison Square Garden is surprisingly decent
 
2013-02-28 12:11:44 PM  

FarkedOver: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: FarkedOver: FlashHarry: after doing a little research on EC, i can honestly say that i'm fairly disgusted at his views on immigration. i mean as recently as 2007, he was still lauding enoch powell as "brave" and "not racist."

That's all I'm saying.  I am not taking away from his guitar playing chops.  That farker can play.  But as a human being he has some pretty despicable views.


He doesn't approve of "... inviting people in as cheap labour and then putting them in ghettos." Now that is truly despicable.

You should scroll down to that last paragraph in the controversy section of his wiki page you've been quoting, FarkedOver. It might add context to his drunken slurs and hurt your "He's a mean racist but good at guitar" shtick.

I've read it all.  I've read that he hasn't apologized or backed off the statements he has made previously. You know what he says he did learn from all of this "To keep my opinions to myself."  He's a real standup guy.  I'm glad he's since sanitized his message to sound like a conservative rather than a raging member of the National Front.


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You have been fed. We're done here.
 
2013-02-28 12:11:51 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: He doesn't approve of "... inviting people in as cheap labour and then putting them in ghettos." Now that is truly despicable.


he thinks enoch powell was "brave."

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2013-02-28 12:16:05 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: FarkedOver: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: FarkedOver: FlashHarry: after doing a little research on EC, i can honestly say that i'm fairly disgusted at his views on immigration. i mean as recently as 2007, he was still lauding enoch powell as "brave" and "not racist."

That's all I'm saying.  I am not taking away from his guitar playing chops.  That farker can play.  But as a human being he has some pretty despicable views.


He doesn't approve of "... inviting people in as cheap labour and then putting them in ghettos." Now that is truly despicable.

You should scroll down to that last paragraph in the controversy section of his wiki page you've been quoting, FarkedOver. It might add context to his drunken slurs and hurt your "He's a mean racist but good at guitar" shtick.

I've read it all.  I've read that he hasn't apologized or backed off the statements he has made previously. You know what he says he did learn from all of this "To keep my opinions to myself."  He's a real standup guy.  I'm glad he's since sanitized his message to sound like a conservative rather than a raging member of the National Front.

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You have been fed. We're done here.


I have no idea what you're getting at now.  I haven't said anything that is a "troll", I haven't said one thing that isn't true.  I thought this was all pretty much common knowledge.  I'm glad I could bring his retarded views to light for a lot of you who hadn't heard it before.
 
2013-02-28 12:20:02 PM  
Stormfront.org = reliable sourcing
 
2013-02-28 12:24:22 PM  
Old man has talent yet maintains old, outmoded worldviews?

Sounds about par for the course.
 
2013-02-28 12:26:12 PM  

Virtual Pariah: Old man has talent yet maintains old, outmoded worldviews?

Sounds about par for the course.


Yet hypocritical when he has amassed a fortune emulating black musicians. Even going so far as to cover Bob Marley (a Jamaican), ya know the same group of people he ripped on for being in UK and not being white.
 
2013-02-28 12:29:46 PM  
Wow, I learned something new today. Typically I couldn't care less about the political sensibilities of musicians, and it certainly doesn't diminish my enjoyment of pre-"bland old man" era Clapton. But, just, wow.

Crewmannumber6: It's not necessarily racist to not be keen about having your country overrun by third world refugees, If that's his complaint.


Equating immigration of brown people into your country with it "being overrun by third world refugees" is, in fact, necessarily racist.

Krab: Yeah kinda hard to be racist when you are friends with BB King and Buddy Guy. Worship Robert Johnson, Big Bill Broonzy, Leadbelly, Albert King, Freddy King. Keep hiring  black bass players, having Gary Clark Jr as your opening act..ect ect


I'm going to totally blow your mind here. Racism isn't just directed toward old black guys from the United States. Also, you must never have been around anyone who likes to talk about their black/hispanic/asian/etc. coworker or whatever as "one of the good ones". Also, getting up on a stage and saying that you need to "keep Britain white" is about as racist as it gets. Also, continuing to support Enoch Powell makes you a bag of shiat.

js34603: You know who else is rascist? Your grandparents, but you still love them right?


My grandfather had some pretty anitquated ideas about race relations and black people, and yes, I indeed still loved him. However, he also never got up on a stage in public and told the world that we needed to deport all minorities or that segregation-era George Wallace was an awesome guy. There comes a point where you're just too much of an asshole to make the effort for on a personal level, and Clapton sounds like he's well past that point.
 
2013-02-28 12:30:55 PM  

FlashHarry: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: He doesn't approve of "... inviting people in as cheap labour and then putting them in ghettos." Now that is truly despicable.

he thinks enoch powell was "brave."

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Enoch Powell was a lot closer to Ron Swanson than he was Nathan Bedford Forrest. Your feeble attempts to retread this argument only expose how poorly researched your position is. May you bear your trollish remarks forever on your head as you are marked for your statements.
 
2013-02-28 12:35:35 PM  
He's a 1 percenter.

Not the motorcycle club kind.
 
2013-02-28 12:39:01 PM  
Cagey B:

I'm going to totally blow your mind here. Racism isn't just directed toward old black guys from the United States. Also, you must never have been around anyone who likes to talk about their black/hispanic/asian/etc. coworker or whatever as "one of the good ones". Also, getting up on a stage and saying that you need to "keep Britain white" is about as racist as it gets. Also, continuing to support Enoch Powell makes you a bag of shiat.

So by not taking someone's drunken rant on stage one night while strung out on coke at a time in his life where he would come out and do shows laying down because he couldn't stand up I'm a bag of shait? After seeing ads in the Caribbean saying "Please leave here and go to England they have jobs," he comes out on stage wasted and says stupid stuff. So anyone who ever got stoned and said something stupid is for ever tied to it? When you look at his life as a whole hard to say is a scum bag racist. Also I'm sure we are all the same as we were in our mid 20's.
 
2013-02-28 12:41:36 PM  

Krab: So anyone who ever got stoned and said something stupid is for ever tied to it?


When you haven't apologized for what you've said and backed off of any of it, that leaves you forever tied to it.
 
2013-02-28 12:54:54 PM  

FarkedOver: Virtual Pariah: Old man has talent yet maintains old, outmoded worldviews?

Sounds about par for the course.

Yet hypocritical when he has amassed a fortune emulating black musicians. Even going so far as to cover Bob Marley (a Jamaican), ya know the same group of people he ripped on for being in UK and not being white.


I don't see it as hypocritical. I see it as par for the course for the times.
Elvis got big by bringing the "black music" to the whites. I'm sure lots of his fans were of a racist worldview.

People like EC and Elvis were the gateway to acceptance for the music of the african communities. I don't expect them to embrace all aspects of a culture. Frankly, I think you are being idealistic in expecting him to be perfect.

Accept their flaws and enjoy what they have contributed. You don't have to agree with everything they think.
I can listen to Cat Scratch Fever and still think Nugent is a pants-shiatting chicken-hawk. Doesn't change the quality of the music.

Just don't go to Clapton for race relation advise.
 
2013-02-28 12:56:10 PM  

Krab: So anyone who ever got stoned and said something stupid is for ever tied to it?


I'm no stranger to altered states. I can't say I've ever experienced or seen someone else experience something where they all of a sudden become some far-right wing lunatic or a horrible racist where they never had those inclinations before.

There's also the whole "continuing to be racist and support racists" thing.
 
2013-02-28 12:57:30 PM  
so everyperson who is condeming clapton has never made an off color racial joke, or had an contrary view on imigration. He is entitled to his opinion, the limey tea sucking guitar god

/each of the three clapton shows I have seen kicked untold levels of ass
 
2013-02-28 12:59:38 PM  
Going to see Clapton March 19 in Dallas.  Can't wait.  If I get the chance I'll let him know FARKED OVER is a big fan
 
2013-02-28 01:00:40 PM  

Cagey B: Krab: So anyone who ever got stoned and said something stupid is for ever tied to it?

I'm no stranger to altered states. I can't say I've ever experienced or seen someone else experience something where they all of a sudden become some far-right wing lunatic or a horrible racist where they never had those inclinations before.

There's also the whole "continuing to be racist and support racists" thing.


That's a thing? For whom?
 
2013-02-28 01:04:07 PM  

Virtual Pariah: Frankly, I think you are being idealistic in expecting him to be perfect.


I like how expecting someone to not get up on a stage and call people "wogs" and "coons" is expecting them to be perfect. Also, this wasn't slavery times in The Olde South™ or some other idiotic historic rationalization. This happened in the 1970s when there really wasn't any excuse any more for being an ignorant dumbass on this issue, if there ever was one.

Also, his response to this day isn't to say "wow, that was extremely stupid and wrong, and I'm sorry", it's "I think it was funny, and I'm just going to keep my opinions to myself, and by the way I can't possibly be racist because BLACK FRIEND hurr". He should have known better at the time and should most certainly know better now. F*ck him.

Virtual Pariah: Accept their flaws and enjoy what they have contributed. You don't have to agree with everything they think.


I recall stating upthread that the fact that EC seems to be a hateful moron doesn't diminish my enjoyment of his music at all. What I have a problem with is that people seem to be trying to minimize his hateful attitudes and blatant racism because he happens to be really f*cking good at playing a guitar.
 
2013-02-28 01:14:04 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: That's a thing? For whom?


From the wiki (please excuse the formatting weirdness, I loathe Fark's new comment box):

In a 2004 interview with Uncut, Clapton referred to Powell as "outrageously brave", and stated that his "feeling about this has not changed", because the UK is still "... inviting people in as cheap labour and then putting them in ghettos." In 2004 Clapton told an interviewer for Scotland on Sunday, "There's no way I could be a racist. It would make no sense". In his 2007 autobiography, Clapton called himself "deliberately oblivious to it all" and wrote, "I had never really understood or been directly affected by racial conflict ... when I listened to music, I was disinterested in where the players came from or what colour their skin was. Interesting, then, that 10 years later, I would be labelled a racist ... Since then, I have learnt to keep my opinions to myself. Of course, it might also have had something to do with the fact that Pattie had just been leered at by a member of the Saudi royal family." In a December 2007 interview with Melvyn Bragg on The South Bank Show, Clapton reiterated his support for Enoch Powell and again denied that Powell's views were "racist".

Now, it's possible that since 2004 he's gone back and apologized or updated his views. But with the information available to us, we've got a standard "b-b-but black friend" defense, a statement that he should just keep his opinions to himself, some weird off-hand attempt to defend his statements because a dirty ay-rab ogled some chick, and a clear defense of Enoch Powell.

I saw your characterization of Enoch Powell upthread as "Ron Swanson", which makes absolutely no sense to me. I invite you to go reread the text of the "Rivers of Blood" speech and come back and tell me that Enoch Powell was not a racist.
 
2013-02-28 01:16:04 PM  

Cagey B: Krab: So anyone who ever got stoned and said something stupid is for ever tied to it?

I'm no stranger to altered states. I can't say I've ever experienced or seen someone else experience something where they all of a sudden become some far-right wing lunatic or a horrible racist where they never had those inclinations before.

There's also the whole "continuing to be racist and support racists" thing.


Well just for fun i pre-ordered a second copy of Old Sock, but on vinyl, in your honor. If you would like I could listen to it while eating Chick-Fil-A and wearing a John Rocker jersey.
 
2013-02-28 01:18:37 PM  

Krab: Well just for fun i pre-ordered a second copy of Old Sock, but on vinyl, in your honor. If you would like I could listen to it while eating Chick-Fil-A and wearing a John Rocker jersey.


Can you hang a sandwich board on yourself that says "I'm an illiterate f*ckwit" while you're at it? Because I've stated several times that I still enjoy the man's music.
 
2013-02-28 01:20:36 PM  
For the sheer number of albums by Muddy, BB, Albert, Robert and other he has encouraged millions to check out he's really doing a sub-par job as a racist.
 
2013-02-28 01:22:40 PM  
"Hi, I'm George Harrison. This is my super uber racist and best pal Eric Clapton. Hari Krishna!"

Something doesn't make sense here when you look at it this way. Conservative? Yes. Made hateful remarks while out-of-his-mind wasted? Yes. But a racist person? I just can't see it.
 
2013-02-28 01:23:40 PM  

Cagey B: Virtual Pariah: Frankly, I think you are being idealistic in expecting him to be perfect.

I like how expecting someone to not get up on a stage and call people "wogs" and "coons" is expecting them to be perfect. Also, this wasn't slavery times in The Olde South™ or some other idiotic historic rationalization. This happened in the 1970s when there really wasn't any excuse any more for being an ignorant dumbass on this issue, if there ever was one.

Also, his response to this day isn't to say "wow, that was extremely stupid and wrong, and I'm sorry", it's "I think it was funny, and I'm just going to keep my opinions to myself, and by the way I can't possibly be racist because BLACK FRIEND hurr". He should have known better at the time and should most certainly know better now. F*ck him.

Virtual Pariah: Accept their flaws and enjoy what they have contributed. You don't have to agree with everything they think.

I recall stating upthread that the fact that EC seems to be a hateful moron doesn't diminish my enjoyment of his music at all. What I have a problem with is that people seem to be trying to minimize his hateful attitudes and blatant racism because he happens to be really f*cking good at playing a guitar.


I was aiming more at FARKED OVER for his calls of hypocrisy and taking this thread in a fairly sideways route.

As for his attitudes, I guess I have to be pretty plain. I don't give a shiat about his opinions outside of his guitar work, He could claim that immigrant mooselim Venusians have moved into his anus and are claiming squatters rights and my answer would be "Play Strange Brew, Guitar Monkey".

I'm giving him as much respect as he deserves. He's a damn fine guitar player who gets paid to play his guitar. I'm not minimizing his hateful attitudes, I'm dismissing them out of hand as not being worth listening to nor getting upset about.
 
2013-02-28 01:24:22 PM  

Cagey B: Krab: Well just for fun i pre-ordered a second copy of Old Sock, but on vinyl, in your honor. If you would like I could listen to it while eating Chick-Fil-A and wearing a John Rocker jersey.

Can you hang a sandwich board on yourself that says "I'm an illiterate f*ckwit" while you're at it? Because I've stated several times that I still enjoy the man's music.


well since you also said "Also, continuing to support Enoch Powell makes you a bag of shiat." then that makes two of us.
 
2013-02-28 01:28:40 PM  
God damn it. I come in here expecting to drop off a cheap joke about a kid falling out a window, and I get dragged into this.

Skarekrough: For the sheer number of albums by Muddy, BB, Albert, Robert and other he has encouraged millions to check out he's really doing a sub-par job as a racist.


Again. The "b-b-but black friend" defense. And again, racism isn't just against old black blues men. See remarks upthread.

Waxing_Chewbacca: Something doesn't make sense here when you look at it this way. Conservative? Yes. Made hateful remarks while out-of-his-mind wasted? Yes. But a racist person? I just can't see it.


Can you link something where he actually tries to distance himself from or apologize in any way for those remarks? Because otherwise this point has been addressed numerous times. I'll admit that "b-b-but George Harrison" is a new twist on phony proof that someone can't possibly be a racist.
 
2013-02-28 01:29:30 PM  
Went to see him last year in Vegas.  It was all jazz guitar and some of his stuff from the early 70s.  Play some of your farking hits, goddamnit.
 
2013-02-28 01:30:44 PM  

Krab: well since you also said "Also, continuing to support Enoch Powell makes you a bag of shiat." then that makes two of us.


Cool. Let's see your defense of his most famous speech as not at all racist. This ought to be entertaining.
 
2013-02-28 01:33:29 PM  

Virtual Pariah: I don't give a shiat about his opinions outside of his guitar work, He could claim that immigrant mooselim Venusians have moved into his anus and are claiming squatters rights and my answer would be "Play Strange Brew, Guitar Monkey".


Jesus Christ. THANK YOU. I don't see why this position is so goddamn difficult to arrive at.
 
2013-02-28 01:36:05 PM  

Cagey B: Krab: well since you also said "Also, continuing to support Enoch Powell makes you a bag of shiat." then that makes two of us.

Cool. Let's see your defense of his most famous speech as not at all racist. This ought to be entertaining.


he has said many many many many many time that he was an ass hat while taking drugs and did and said things that were not him while on drugs
 
2013-02-28 01:38:20 PM  

Krab: Cagey B: Krab: well since you also said "Also, continuing to support Enoch Powell makes you a bag of shiat." then that makes two of us.

Cool. Let's see your defense of his most famous speech as not at all racist. This ought to be entertaining.

he has said many many many many many time that he was an ass hat while taking drugs and did and said things that were not him while on drugs


He's talking about the Enoch Powell speech.
 
2013-02-28 01:39:48 PM  

Katchaa: Cream


Their big hit was White Room too.  More like Eric Clansman, am I right?
 
2013-02-28 01:44:17 PM  

Krab: he has said many many many many many time that he was an ass hat while taking drugs and did and said things that were not him while on drugs


Yeah. I saw the 60 Minutes interview too.

Look dude, I'm going to drop the hostility and sarcasm for a second, because this, to me, is a fairly simple point. Here's my basic premises:

- You don't magically turn into a racist and/or radically different political ideology because you did drugs/drank etc.

- A blanket statement that "I was different then" is NOT the same as "I'm sorry for saying racist stuff" or even "I don't believe racist stuff anymore".

- Saying that Enoch Powell, a man who equated all immigrants with being "dependents", considered the goal of keeping Britain a majority white state a worthy one, and considered some dude complaining that "the black man will have the whip hand over the white man" as a jumping off point for a public airing of his views, is someone you continue to agree with makes you a racist, especially when it's things like the "Rivers of Blood" speech that you're defending.

I'm not saying people can't listen to his music or see his shows. I too like his music (well, pre-1990s anyway), and consider him to be an amazing musician. I'm not saying he needs to be silenced or boycotted or anything like that. All I'm saying is that, as a person, he's a racist and politically in the wrong by the general standards of the civilized world. And I don't get, at all, attempts to pretend that he's not these things.
 
2013-02-28 01:46:00 PM  

FarkedOver: Krab: Cagey B: Krab: well since you also said "Also, continuing to support Enoch Powell makes you a bag of shiat." then that makes two of us.

Cool. Let's see your defense of his most famous speech as not at all racist. This ought to be entertaining.

he has said many many many many many time that he was an ass hat while taking drugs and did and said things that were not him while on drugs

He's talking about the Enoch Powell speech.


It's easier to keep trolling him when I act like I don't know what I'm talking about
 
2013-02-28 01:46:29 PM  

Homer Nixon: I saw him live. The opening act from Robert Randolph was wayyyy more fun.


I'm surprising my husband with tickets this weekend.  I would love it if Robert Randolph opened for him.
 
2013-02-28 01:57:03 PM  
I like actions more than words. So I really don't give two shiats about what he said one night when he was completely loaded. He's helped too many people to count with his work for addiction recovery.
 
2013-02-28 02:06:39 PM  

js34603: You know who else is rascist? Your grandparents, but you still love them right?

/he's a pretty shiatty rascist, what with the effusively praising and giving credit to so many of the black blues musicians who influenced him
//and that tribute he did for Robert Johnson
///and that album he recorded with BB King


We always said that my maternal grandfather was Norman Lear's inspiration for Archie Bunker, because he was a bigoted old fart(plus he looked a lot like Carroll O'Connor, too). So is my uncle. I vehemently disagree with their views, but I loved my grandfather with all my heart and the same goes for my uncle.
 
2013-02-28 02:17:59 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Stormfront.org = reliable sourcing


my point was, stormfront was the first hit when you searched for "eric clapton uncut interview 2004," which is the interview in which he describes the racist politician enoch powell as "brave."
 
2013-02-28 03:07:45 PM  
I'm Latino and I was raised in Kentucky.  I went to high school with this kid who openly described himself as a racist.  He claimed to have relatives in the KKK, went on racist rants, had the skinhead look and referred to all minorities as "the enemy".  But, and here's the funny part, he was totally cool with me.  He would say stuff like "the enemy is sneaking into our country and taking all of our jobs and our women...except for Zerochance.  He's cool".  It was farking weird.

I never knew what went inside this kid's head, but there was obviously a disconnect between the beliefs he claimed to have and what he honestly felt deep down inside.  I'm not the biggest Clapton fan, but I do have respect for the man's talent and considering his undeniable love and admiration for the blues and black blues musicians, I would say he has a similar disconnect.

Clapton is a complex man.  He is full of contradictions.  He is obviously not a hardcore, unapologetic racist, but it's definitely surprising he would make racist comments, considering he built his fame and fortune largely inspired by the work of black blues men.
 
2013-02-28 03:59:11 PM  
Why would there be tears in heaven?  Makes no gotdam sense!!
 
2013-02-28 04:05:26 PM  

Cagey B: God damn it. I come in here expecting to drop off a cheap joke about a kid falling out a window, and I get dragged into this.

Skarekrough: For the sheer number of albums by Muddy, BB, Albert, Robert and other he has encouraged millions to check out he's really doing a sub-par job as a racist.

Again. The "b-b-but black friend" defense. And again, racism isn't just against old black blues men. See remarks upthread.

Waxing_Chewbacca: Something doesn't make sense here when you look at it this way. Conservative? Yes. Made hateful remarks while out-of-his-mind wasted? Yes. But a racist person? I just can't see it.

Can you link something where he actually tries to distance himself from or apologize in any way for those remarks? Because otherwise this point has been addressed numerous times. I'll admit that "b-b-but George Harrison" is a new twist on phony proof that someone can't possibly be a racist.


I was saying I have trouble believing it. Jesus dude... Relax.
 
2013-02-28 04:06:07 PM  

Zerochance: I'm Latino and I was raised in Kentucky.  I went to high school with this kid who openly described himself as a racist.  He claimed to have relatives in the KKK, went on racist rants, had the skinhead look and referred to all minorities as "the enemy".  But, and here's the funny part, he was totally cool with me.  He would say stuff like "the enemy is sneaking into our country and taking all of our jobs and our women...except for Zerochance.  He's cool".  It was farking weird.

I never knew what went inside this kid's head, but there was obviously a disconnect between the beliefs he claimed to have and what he honestly felt deep down inside.  I'm not the biggest Clapton fan, but I do have respect for the man's talent and considering his undeniable love and admiration for the blues and black blues musicians, I would say he has a similar disconnect.

Clapton is a complex man.  He is full of contradictions.  He is obviously not a hardcore, unapologetic racist, but it's definitely surprising he would make racist comments, considering he built his fame and fortune largely inspired by the work of black blues men.


I would think that it's hard to stay a racist once you meet individuals.
Stereotypes and groups are easier to demonize.
 
2013-02-28 04:07:09 PM  

Zerochance: I'm Latino and I was raised in Kentucky.  I went to high school with this kid who openly described himself as a racist.  He claimed to have relatives in the KKK, went on racist rants, had the skinhead look and referred to all minorities as "the enemy".  But, and here's the funny part, he was totally cool with me.  He would say stuff like "the enemy is sneaking into our country and taking all of our jobs and our women...except for Zerochance.  He's cool".  It was farking weird.

I never knew what went inside this kid's head, but there was obviously a disconnect between the beliefs he claimed to have and what he honestly felt deep down inside.  I'm not the biggest Clapton fan, but I do have respect for the man's talent and considering his undeniable love and admiration for the blues and black blues musicians, I would say he has a similar disconnect.

Clapton is a complex man.  He is full of contradictions.  He is obviously not a hardcore, unapologetic racist, but it's definitely surprising he would make racist comments, considering he built his fame and fortune largely inspired by the work of black blues men.


He wanted to bang you.
 
2013-02-28 04:14:19 PM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: Cagey B: God damn it. I come in here expecting to drop off a cheap joke about a kid falling out a window, and I get dragged into this.

Skarekrough: For the sheer number of albums by Muddy, BB, Albert, Robert and other he has encouraged millions to check out he's really doing a sub-par job as a racist.

Again. The "b-b-but black friend" defense. And again, racism isn't just against old black blues men. See remarks upthread.

Waxing_Chewbacca: Something doesn't make sense here when you look at it this way. Conservative? Yes. Made hateful remarks while out-of-his-mind wasted? Yes. But a racist person? I just can't see it.

Can you link something where he actually tries to distance himself from or apologize in any way for those remarks? Because otherwise this point has been addressed numerous times. I'll admit that "b-b-but George Harrison" is a new twist on phony proof that someone can't possibly be a racist.

I was saying I have trouble believing it. Jesus dude... Relax.


Also you truncated my post. Dick.
 
2013-02-28 04:15:24 PM  
Aaaaaannnd..... STILL don't care for the most overrated guitarist in the universe. No wait, that's Eddie Van Halen. Make Clapton #2...
 
2013-02-28 04:20:40 PM  

Spartapuss: He wanted to bang you.


You know, he used to brag about how many girls he'd gotten with, and he was clearly fibbing, so that's a definite possibility.
 
2013-02-28 04:29:06 PM  

neilbradley: Aaaaaannnd..... STILL don't care for the most overrated guitarist in the universe. No wait, that's Eddie Van Halen. Make Clapton #2...


Really?  I can maybe, sort of see how someone could think Clapton is overrated, but EVH?

Your favorite guitarist must be one of those ultra-obscure players that never perform in public because it "cheapens" their art, or you're way into 20-minute sweep-picking wank fests.
 
2013-02-28 05:21:56 PM  
Got to love the delusional people in here defending Eric Clapton's obvious racism. Eric Clapton is a coont that was mimicking black music while being a typical white trash loser.
 
2013-02-28 05:30:03 PM  
For all the "shut up and play your guitar" rhetoric, remember, he also sings, writes songs, writes lyrics.  He is ostensibly an artist.  Songs and words have content.  Not that I detect racism in his songs, but it seems disingenuous to act like he's simply a session guitar technician.

/likes Clapton
//not an apologist
 
2013-02-28 05:36:57 PM  

Skarekrough: For the sheer number of albums by Muddy, BB, Albert, Robert and other he has encouraged millions to check out he's really doing a sub-par job as a racist.


So he wants minorities thrown out of his country in favor of a white nationalist nation, but he's not racist because he stole his style from black musicians?
 
2013-02-28 05:58:01 PM  
It's not much of a stretch to think that he would rip on black people after ripping them off for so long.
 
2013-02-28 06:38:28 PM  

Zerochance: neilbradley: Aaaaaannnd..... STILL don't care for the most overrated guitarist in the universe. No wait, that's Eddie Van Halen. Make Clapton #2...

Really?  I can maybe, sort of see how someone could think Clapton is overrated, but EVH?

Your favorite guitarist must be one of those ultra-obscure players that never perform in public because it "cheapens" their art, or you're way into 20-minute sweep-picking wank fests.


Not at all. No denying that EVH is a great guitar player, and also very fast. Just lacking in soul. Clapton's playing is for people on quaaludes. I don't think that David Gilmour would qualify as ultra-obscure. ;-)
 
2013-02-28 07:25:00 PM  
"while his huggies slowly weep"...

//sorry, couldn't help it. It is a great song..
 
Slu
2013-02-28 08:23:40 PM  

Homer Nixon: I saw him live. The opening act from Robert Randolph was wayyyy more fun.


So much this.  While Randolph was not opening for Clapton when I saw him, I have seen both live and I enjoyed Randolph more.  Although now that I think about it, it may have partly been because I saw Clapton in a hockey area, which may be the worst place on earth to see a show, especially if your seats are not that good.  I may not have been back to an arena show since then and that Clapton show was several years ago.  I just hate arenas for concerts.
 
2013-02-28 10:58:01 PM  
I saw him a few years ago and it was the most boring show I have ever been to.
 
2013-03-01 12:08:31 AM  
Boring guitar playing is boring.
 
2013-03-01 12:55:38 AM  
you must separate the man from the music
otherwise Chuck Berry would never sell any albums.
nor would Gary Glitter
Seen ec about a dozen times in the last 40 yrs. ,  shows ranged from average to unfarkingbelieveable
 
2013-03-01 02:03:12 AM  
Clapton went on a drunken racist rant 36 years ago in 1976. Get over it; he did.
 
2013-03-01 02:15:14 AM  
I doubt Clapton meant any denigration.
 
2013-03-01 02:18:52 AM  

red5ish: Clapton went on a drunken racist rant 36 years ago in 1976. Get over it; he did.


I see no reason not to keep insulting him because of it, it might be different if he still wasn't a douchey white nationalist type that supports the far right British anti-immigrant party. I have no issue separating that stuff though, I still respect the music a douche like Ted Nugent or Dave Mustaine made, but I don't respect them as intelligent people.
 
2013-03-01 06:02:03 AM  
Eric Clapton isn't aging at the same speed as the rest of us because he's trapped in a time dilation field.

Why do you think they call him "slow hand"
 
2013-03-01 06:05:01 AM  

Skarekrough: For the sheer number of albums by Muddy, BB, Albert, Robert and other he has encouraged millions to check out he's really doing a sub-par job as a racist.


He's a selective racist. Or as long as they stay living in the states has has no issue with them.
 
2013-03-01 11:21:18 AM  

FarkedOver: FlashHarry: FarkedOver: He is just a racist twit.

explain, please.

"I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. farking wogs, man. farking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and farking Jamaicans and farking (indecipherable) don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want farking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fark's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"


Wow... I'm a music nerd. How did I miss this all these years?  As someone who perceived Eric Clapton as a gentleman, this is very disappointing.
 
2013-03-02 08:28:17 AM  
You mean to tell me that some elitist geriatric over hyped relic with more money than brains expresses an opinion that is widely unpopular with the unwashed masses?  Color me shocked.

Clapton was a good guitarist about 40 years ago.  Today he would be kicked out of any Guitar Center for playing rehashed blues licks too damn loud.
 
2013-03-02 08:38:35 AM  

Virtual Pariah: I don't give a shiat about his opinions outside of his guitar work, He could claim that immigrant mooselim Venusians have moved into his anus and are claiming squatters rights and my answer would be "Play Strange Brew, Guitar Monkey".


this is easily one of the best lines I've ever heard about EC.  Bravo.
 
2013-03-02 03:07:27 PM  

neilbradley: Zerochance: neilbradley: Aaaaaannnd..... STILL don't care for the most overrated guitarist in the universe. No wait, that's Eddie Van Halen. Make Clapton #2...

Really?  I can maybe, sort of see how someone could think Clapton is overrated, but EVH?

Your favorite guitarist must be one of those ultra-obscure players that never perform in public because it "cheapens" their art, or you're way into 20-minute sweep-picking wank fests.

Not at all. No denying that EVH is a great guitar player, and also very fast. Just lacking in soul. Clapton's playing is for people on quaaludes. I don't think that David Gilmour would qualify as ultra-obscure. ;-)


I've never taken quaaludes(much less even seen one) and have been a Clapton fan since his days in the Yardbirds. And I don't apologize for it for one farking second. Thanks to him, I was introduced to guys like Buddy Guy and Albert King(I already knew who BB King and Robert Johnson were).
BTW, I consider Gilmour's solo on Comfortably Numb to be the greatest ever recorded. But that's just me; your mileage may vary.
 
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