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(New Musical Express)   Noomi Rapace says Ridley Scott is working on the script for Prometheus 2. I thought there was already a script for Prometheus 2, but it was called Alien   (nme.com) divider line 251
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2013-02-28 09:38:01 AM
Well, no.
It was clearly intended to work that way originally, but then Scott decided he wanted to get all philosophical with it instead of just making it a straight up prequel.  So Prometheus takes place on a different planet where an alien ship crashes in exactly the same way as the one from Alien.

Anyway, I liked Prometheus except for a few glaring errors, and I look forward to the followup.
 
2013-02-28 09:38:04 AM
And then the script will be scrapped. He'll bring in another hack like Lindelof (but probably not Lindelof himself as he said he wouldn't work on Prometheus 2) to make major changes that make no sense, and we'll end up with another disappointing (but probably very pretty) mess of a movie.
 
2013-02-28 09:43:54 AM
I wanted to like Prometheus, I really did.  I watched it at the theater, and also bought the Bluray. There's a helluva story waiting to be told, but after re-watching it a couple of times the film missed the mark on most counts.

Prometheus was a train wreck.  Ridley, you have one more shot at this.  I know you have it in you, and you'll do fine.

JUST DON'T FARK IT UP.
 
2013-02-28 09:54:00 AM

PainInTheASP: and also bought the Bluray.


Almost every deleted/alternate scene was superior to the version in the finished film (the exception is the scene where Charlie is being a complete dick because they found a dead alien instead of a live one).  Puzzling choices by Scott in this film.
 
2013-02-28 09:57:11 AM
Naomi can rapace me anytime.
 
2013-02-28 10:05:47 AM
I'm okay with this.  It felt like the film told only part of the whole story, and I enjoyed it enough to want to see the rest of it, even though I was a touch disappointed with the pacing and the fact the film seemed to struggle with it's philosophical elements and it's action/sci fi/adventure elements rather than harmonize them as other films have done.
 
2013-02-28 10:22:52 AM
Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.
 
2013-02-28 10:33:20 AM

Sybarite: Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.


I think most horror is driven by the blinding stupidity of the characters. It's kind of necessary for people to have no spider senses to get them in horror situations. That being said, I enjoyed Prometheus.
 
2013-02-28 10:35:31 AM

Nabb1: I'm okay with this.  It felt like the film told only part of the whole story, and I enjoyed it enough to want to see the rest of it, even though I was a touch disappointed with the pacing and the fact the film seemed to struggle with it's philosophical elements and it's action/sci fi/adventure elements rather than harmonize them as other films have done.


 Basically this. Also, add in the fact that a movie that beautiful is pretty much always worthwhile.
 
2013-02-28 10:56:31 AM
Prometheus convinced me to never watch anything written by that hack Lindelhoff ever again.

He can't write characters, he doesn't understand motive or plot, and his MO is to constantly introduce irrelevant plot points that oughta go off like Chekov's Gun later but never do, leaving you wondering what happened to them or why they were even introduced in the first place. And his response is always "Well, this [movie/tv show/episode] is not so much about answers as it is about asking question."

No. It's about having a solid, steady resolution to the central conflict with no major loose ends hanging (except for a few miscellaneous ones that can be fleshed out in a sequel). "Keeping the audience guessing" is not synonymous with "Leaving the audience wanting more". It's tantamount to dangling keys in front of a raccoon. Done sparingly and well, it can make or break a story. Done all the time, it's a farking cocktease and it's disrespectful to your audience and the nature of storytelling.

I'm not biting your lure anymore, Lindelhoff. fark off.
 
2013-02-28 11:10:55 AM
I won't say the inability to run horizontally is as bad as a nuked fridge, but it was pretty stupid

(I liked Prometheus despite it's flaw, though Red Letter Media really does list them all perfectly)
 
2013-02-28 11:15:28 AM
It should be fine, as long as they actually film the sequel using the finished script instead of an early rough draft.

...that's what happened with Prometheus, right?
 
2013-02-28 11:15:43 AM
Is it being written on toilet paper, like the last one?
 
2013-02-28 11:16:19 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Sybarite: Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.

I think most horror is driven by the blinding stupidity of the characters. It's kind of necessary for people to have no spider senses to get them in horror situations. That being said, I enjoyed Prometheus.


In the Alien the characters did things that were unwise, but nothing really stupid (the closest thing would be going back for the cat, and that didn't lead to a death). That's one of the many things that makes it superior to Prometheus.
 
2013-02-28 11:19:10 AM
Rented it recently while the wife was away since she's not into the Alien franchise. Those of you who liked it must have seen a different movie than I did, because it sucked balls. There were so many cool things they could have done with an Alien prequel, that train wreck of a movie was not one of them.
 
2013-02-28 11:19:22 AM
Well at least it can't be any worse than the first one.  Nice visuals in it though.
 
2013-02-28 11:19:55 AM
This thread needs more Noomi and her great legs.
watikalemon.com
 
2013-02-28 11:23:38 AM

Ishkur: Prometheus convinced me to never watch anything written by that hack Lindelhoff ever again.


Amen.
 
2013-02-28 11:26:14 AM

PainInTheASP: I wanted to like Prometheus, I really did.  I watched it at the theater, and also bought the Bluray. There's a helluva story waiting to be told, but after re-watching it a couple of times the film missed the mark on most counts.

Prometheus was a train wreck.  Ridley, you have one more shot at this.  I know you have it in you, and you'll do fine.

JUST DON'T FARK IT UP.


kind of this. I'm actually still somewhat interested in a sequel despite the mess that was the original movie, but man was the original a huge letdown.
 
2013-02-28 11:27:35 AM
Even with the deleted scenes the movie was terrible, made little to no sense, had very little connected plot details, vapid character development and use, and questionable visual effects given the cinematography.

Everyone makes a turd every now and then though, maybe the next will be better
 
2013-02-28 11:31:50 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Sybarite: Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.

I think most horror is driven by the blinding stupidity of the characters. It's kind of necessary for people to have no spider senses to get them in horror situations. That being said, I enjoyed Prometheus.


Which is exactly why I hate most horror movies with the intensity of 1000 suns. It is just lazy, incompetent writing that requires stupidity to forward the plot (especially when it is from scientists in their own fields).

The intense stupidity of the characters was only one of the massive flaws in Prometheus. It sucked on pretty much every level.
 
2013-02-28 11:33:36 AM

miscreant: Rented it recently while the wife was away since she's not into the Alien franchise. Those of you who liked it must have seen a different movie than I did, because it sucked balls. There were so many cool things they could have done with an Alien prequel, that train wreck of a movie was not one of them.


Why hello outer space cobra with big fangs. You sure look friendly; let me pet you.

*facepalm*
 
2013-02-28 11:34:46 AM
The funniest thing in that article was the Tarantino quote.
 
2013-02-28 11:35:22 AM
So why did they create life on Earth just to decide to destroy it later on?  I never understood that.  Also, how did the Engineers get wiped out?  I mean how did those organisms escape?  You'd figure that if they created a bio weapon that they would be smart enough to make themselves immune to it.

/didn't watch the deleted scenes nor read up on it
 
2013-02-28 11:35:47 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Sybarite: Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.

I think most horror is driven by the blinding stupidity of the characters. It's kind of necessary for people to have no spider senses to get them in horror situations. That being said, I enjoyed Prometheus.

In the Alien the characters did things that were unwise, but nothing really stupid (the closest thing would be going back for the cat, and that didn't lead to a death). That's one of the many things that makes it superior to Prometheus.


Same with Aliens. The downfall of the marines was their hubris (thinking they're the baddest mo-fos in the galaxy) and an incompetent commander who buckled as soon as there was even a hint of pressure. They didn't make stupid decisions, they made decisions based on the assumed stupidity of the aliens. The only reason they (well one of them) survived was because of Ripley's prior experience in dealing with a xenomorph.
 
2013-02-28 11:37:46 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Sybarite: Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.

I think most horror is driven by the blinding stupidity of the characters. It's kind of necessary for people to have no spider senses to get them in horror situations. That being said, I enjoyed Prometheus.


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2013-02-28 11:39:33 AM

PsyLord: So why did they create life on Earth just to decide to destroy it later on? I never understood that. Also, how did the Engineers get wiped out? I mean how did those organisms escape? You'd figure that if they created a bio weapon that they would be smart enough to make themselves immune to it.


There are literally thousands of stories of created rising up against their creators, mostly due to the the ego of the creators thinking they're awesome because they can create.

A great quote from Jurassic Park said by Ian Malcolm sums it up: "Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."
 
2013-02-28 11:41:42 AM

Ishkur: Prometheus convinced me to never watch anything written by that hack Lindelhoff ever again.

He can't write characters, he doesn't understand motive or plot, and his MO is to constantly introduce irrelevant plot points that oughta go off like Chekov's Gun later but never do, leaving you wondering what happened to them or why they were even introduced in the first place. And his response is always "Well, this [movie/tv show/episode] is not so much about answers as it is about asking question."

No. It's about having a solid, steady resolution to the central conflict with no major loose ends hanging (except for a few miscellaneous ones that can be fleshed out in a sequel). "Keeping the audience guessing" is not synonymous with "Leaving the audience wanting more". It's tantamount to dangling keys in front of a raccoon. Done sparingly and well, it can make or break a story. Done all the time, it's a farking cocktease and it's disrespectful to your audience and the nature of storytelling.

I'm not biting your lure anymore, Lindelhoff. fark off.


This.
I said as much at the post-movie bar session.
 
2013-02-28 11:41:52 AM

scottydoesntknow: Tyrone Slothrop: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Sybarite: Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.

I think most horror is driven by the blinding stupidity of the characters. It's kind of necessary for people to have no spider senses to get them in horror situations. That being said, I enjoyed Prometheus.

In the Alien the characters did things that were unwise, but nothing really stupid (the closest thing would be going back for the cat, and that didn't lead to a death). That's one of the many things that makes it superior to Prometheus.

Same with Aliens. The downfall of the marines was their hubris (thinking they're the baddest mo-fos in the galaxy) and an incompetent commander who buckled as soon as there was even a hint of pressure. They didn't make stupid decisions, they made decisions based on the assumed stupidity of the aliens. The only reason they (well one of them) survived was because of Ripley's prior experience in dealing with a xenomorph.


Well, they were kinda handicapped by having to use pistols and shotguns when Ripley pointed out that they were around the heat exchangers and those explosive rounds would damage the reactor and make it go kablooey.  But yeah, Gorman's handling of the ensuing firefight was pretty incompetent.
 
2013-02-28 11:46:56 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Sybarite: Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.

I think most horror is driven by the blinding stupidity of the characters. It's kind of necessary for people to have no spider senses to get them in horror situations. That being said, I enjoyed Prometheus.


I wish they could have found a way to write smart characters who got into trouble despite making seemingly good choices rather than writing moronic characters who raced to see who could get killed the fastest.
 
2013-02-28 11:47:10 AM
I liked Prometheus, and I even like that it's not a direct prequel to Alien. My imagination is probably creating a story better than it deserves.

However, I have yet to read an explanation about what the point was of making Guy Pearce a rubbery old man. Surely, there are plenty of rubbery old men in SAG that could have nailed that role better.
 
2013-02-28 11:47:29 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Sybarite: Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.

I think most horror is driven by the blinding stupidity of the characters. It's kind of necessary for people to have no spider senses to get them in horror situations. That being said, I enjoyed Prometheus.


I don't know, I think that even in your standard cliche-as-hell Horror film, none of the characters who were trapped in an area surrounded by corpses of aliens would try to pet what is essentially a snake that is clearly acting threatening.
 
2013-02-28 11:48:27 AM
I thought it was interesting that Sherlock Holmes: Game Of Shadows included both girls with dragon tattoos, Noomi Rapace and Rooney Mara
 
2013-02-28 11:49:39 AM
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: it wasn't so much that Prometheus was bad, it's just that those of us who are fans of the first couple of Alien movies allowed ourselves to get our hopes up for something really, really good. Ridley Scott was in charge again, and he had a major budget to work with. All he needed was a good story, and that's where the whole thing fell on its face. A second chapter to this could still be a very good film - maybe he can find the writer that he should have found for the first one. Please Mr. Scott, give us another good Alien movie. Good sci fi is unfortunately rare.
 
2013-02-28 11:50:05 AM

Mateorocks: However, I have yet to read an explanation about what the point was of making Guy Pearce a rubbery old man. Surely, there are plenty of rubbery old men in SAG that could have nailed that role better.


I believe it had to do with flashback scenes involving a young Weyland that were eventually scrapped. But yeah, that was pretty horrid looking.
 
2013-02-28 11:50:24 AM

dallylamma: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Sybarite: Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.

I think most horror is driven by the blinding stupidity of the characters. It's kind of necessary for people to have no spider senses to get them in horror situations. That being said, I enjoyed Prometheus.

I wish they could have found a way to write smart characters who got into trouble despite making seemingly good choices rather than writing moronic characters who raced to see who could get killed the fastest.


The only thing I can think of is that there was some ancient diety on that planet that needed appeasing.

collider.com
 
2013-02-28 11:52:24 AM

Crewmannumber6: I thought it was interesting that Sherlock Holmes: Game Of Shadows included both girls with dragon tattoos, Noomi Rapace and Rooney Mara


But...it didn't.
 
2013-02-28 11:53:27 AM
Prettiest B movie ever.
 
2013-02-28 11:53:30 AM

PsyLord: dallylamma: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Sybarite: Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.

I think most horror is driven by the blinding stupidity of the characters. It's kind of necessary for people to have no spider senses to get them in horror situations. That being said, I enjoyed Prometheus.

I wish they could have found a way to write smart characters who got into trouble despite making seemingly good choices rather than writing moronic characters who raced to see who could get killed the fastest.

The only thing I can think of is that there was some ancient diety on that planet that needed appeasing.

[collider.com image 600x343]


I never noticed it said witches followed by sexy witches.  I need to see that movie again damnit
 
2013-02-28 11:54:17 AM
For those like me who hated the movie, read the original script by John Sphaits. The story Alien Engineers would have made an excellent movie. Not sure why the f*cked around with it so much.

Link goes to the pdf of the original story.
 
2013-02-28 11:54:45 AM

beerrun: This thread needs more Noomi and her great legs.
[watikalemon.com image 700x1483]


Don't forget her guns...
 
2013-02-28 11:55:52 AM

Mateorocks: I liked Prometheus, and I even like that it's not a direct prequel to Alien. My imagination is probably creating a story better than it deserves.

However, I have yet to read an explanation about what the point was of making Guy Pearce a rubbery old man. Surely, there are plenty of rubbery old men in SAG that could have nailed that role better.


They were going to show a dream sequence with Weyland as a young man the same way when David accessed Noomi's dreams when she was in hypersleep.
 
2013-02-28 11:56:20 AM

PsyLord: So why did they create life on Earth just to decide to destroy it later on?  I never understood that.  Also, how did the Engineers get wiped out?  I mean how did those organisms escape?  You'd figure that if they created a bio weapon that they would be smart enough to make themselves immune to it.

/didn't watch the deleted scenes nor read up on it


It's symbolic.

Pretty much every shiatty idea in that movie is there because Ridley Scott wanted more sybolism.

It's largely empty symbolism, just symbolic for the sake of it, it doesn't have much to do with anything, it's just there to be SYMBOLIC.

My favourite quote (can't remember who by) was, "if Prometheus is supposed to be "intelligent" sci-fi, why does it seem increasingly dumb the more you think about it?"
 
2013-02-28 11:56:58 AM

AeAe: Mateorocks: I liked Prometheus, and I even like that it's not a direct prequel to Alien. My imagination is probably creating a story better than it deserves.

However, I have yet to read an explanation about what the point was of making Guy Pearce a rubbery old man. Surely, there are plenty of rubbery old men in SAG that could have nailed that role better.

They were going to show a dream sequence with Weyland as a young man the same way when David accessed Noomi's dreams when she was in hypersleep.


Still stupid. Just cast 2 different actors. Nothing would have been more perfect than Peter O'Toole as the older Weyland.
 
2013-02-28 11:58:33 AM

DamnYankees: AeAe: Mateorocks: I liked Prometheus, and I even like that it's not a direct prequel to Alien. My imagination is probably creating a story better than it deserves.

However, I have yet to read an explanation about what the point was of making Guy Pearce a rubbery old man. Surely, there are plenty of rubbery old men in SAG that could have nailed that role better.

They were going to show a dream sequence with Weyland as a young man the same way when David accessed Noomi's dreams when she was in hypersleep.

Still stupid. Just cast 2 different actors. Nothing would have been more perfect than Peter O'Toole as the older Weyland.


I agree.  That rubber suit looked like shiat.  I do like Guy Pearce tho.
 
2013-02-28 11:58:39 AM

PsyLord: So why did they create life on Earth just to decide to destroy it later on?  I never understood that.  Also, how did the Engineers get wiped out?  I mean how did those organisms escape?  You'd figure that if they created a bio weapon that they would be smart enough to make themselves immune to it.


The Engineers are a culture that seem to worship the virtues of altruism and self-sacrifice. That is why the dude at the beginning eats the black genetic liquid to kill himself and seed the planet with his DNA. It's just who they are and what they do. Earth was one of their experiments but it went wrong and they despised what humanity had become: Selfish, egotistical, spiteful, superstitious and antagonizing. It seems that they were planning on destroying humanity anyway but never got around to it because there was an accident. So you can imagine the utter contempt the awakened Engineer felt for the old dude when they woke him. Guy is like "I wanna be immortal" and the look on the Engineer's face is all "You gotta be farking kidding me. Die with some dignity you old fark."

The Engineers didn't get wiped out. That wasn't their home planet, that was just a research lab for producing the dangerous black genetic liquid. Obviously they are smart enough not to manufacture the stuff on their homeworld. Why would they make themselves immune to it -- they USE it to combine with their DNA to seed worlds. It needs to be that dangerous and aggressive. When the crew go over the holographic footage, you can see how there was an accident and the black genetic liquid got loose and killed all the Engineers except one. He placed himself in stasis until help arrived but it never did.

See, somewhere within this movie is actually a really good sci-fi story. It was just told VERY VERY BADLY, with a dumb plot, terrible dialogue, repulsive characters making stupid choices, and suspension of disbelief that goes beyond the expected norm (I'm sorry. I can't ignore the fact that this woman just had her stomach muscles completely lacerated and she's running and jumping around for the rest of the movie).

Movies are frustrating to watch when they're like this. The backstory is interesting (even if it is a rehashed Chariots of the Gods/Stargate idea), but the plot did nothing to make it compelling enough. I didn't farking care what happened to the woman at the end. I didn't like her.
 
2013-02-28 11:59:56 AM

Garko: Crewmannumber6: I thought it was interesting that Sherlock Holmes: Game Of Shadows included both girls with dragon tattoos, Noomi Rapace and Rooney Mara

But...it didn't.


Yes, it did. Mara's part was small, but she's in it
 
2013-02-28 12:01:30 PM

dallylamma: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Sybarite: Prometheus was a mess with plot holes your could drive a truck through, tacked on bits of story that went nowhere, and action driven primarily by the blinding stupidity of the characters. Seeing it in the theater, at least some of the problems were obscured by the spectacle of the thing. It was when I watched it later at home that it really sunk in just what a disaster the script was.

I think most horror is driven by the blinding stupidity of the characters. It's kind of necessary for people to have no spider senses to get them in horror situations. That being said, I enjoyed Prometheus.

I wish they could have found a way to write smart characters who got into trouble despite making seemingly good choices rather than writing moronic characters who raced to see who could get killed the fastest.


That's definitely the difference between good horror and bad horror. Good horror requires people make all the right choices, do all the right things, and still die horribly. In good horror, the virgin dies just like the whore and the black guy.
 
2013-02-28 12:03:02 PM

dallylamma: I wish they could have found a way to write smart characters who got into trouble despite making seemingly good choices rather than writing moronic characters who raced to see who could get killed the fastest.


One of the best movies for this is Carpenter's The Thing. You have (mostly) highly educated, intelligent men on an Antarctic research station. None of them make any stupid choices or decisions throughout the movie. The Thing simply outsmarts and outmaneuvers them, even when they know what it is and what it can do.

Every modern horror writer and director should study that movie as a template on how to create a compelling ensemble of characters and how to progress a story without being forced to write any of them into a corner for the sake of plot.
 
2013-02-28 12:04:18 PM

Ishkur: (I'm sorry. I can't ignore the fact that this woman just had her stomach muscles completely lacerated and she's running and jumping around for the rest of the movie).


I thought it was odd that she didn't see the need to mention the surgery to anyone or that David didn't notice; though I guess that was mostly because the writers needed a way for the Engineer to be killed later on. Either way, it's still terrible writing.
 
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