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(The Atlantic)   "Like all election seasons, the 2012 campaign was rich in commentary that was at odds with or unsupported by findings from political science"   (theatlantic.com) divider line 27
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2013-02-28 09:47:24 AM  
It's almost like political science is done with statistics, research, and long hours while punditry is done by talking out of your ass.
 
2013-02-28 09:49:06 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's almost like political science is done with statistics, research, and long hours while punditry is done by talking out of your ass.


We also wear lab coats. It pisses the hard science people off
 
2013-02-28 09:50:02 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's almost like political science is done with statistics, research, and long hours while punditry is done by talking out of your ass.


I got a Rove to pick with that statement
 
2013-02-28 09:50:15 AM  
"Discourse on virtue and they pass by in droves. Whistle and dance the shimmy, and you've got an audience." -Some dawg
 
2013-02-28 09:54:36 AM  
But enough about Politico...
 
2013-02-28 09:55:26 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's almost like political science is done with statistics, research, and long hours while punditry is done by talking out of your ass.


aka "unskewing"
 
2013-02-28 10:00:44 AM  
You mean this isn't political science?
 
2013-02-28 10:01:29 AM  

Dr Dreidel: WTF Indeed: It's almost like political science is done with statistics, research, and long hours while punditry is done by talking out of your ass.

aka "unskewing"


aka "fair and balanced"

aka "we report, you decide"
 
2013-02-28 10:02:03 AM  
Farking preview, how does it work?

(supposed to be three_statisticals.jpg)
 
2013-02-28 10:02:53 AM  

Aar1012: WTF Indeed: It's almost like political science is done with statistics, research, and long hours while punditry is done by talking out of your ass.

We also wear lab coats. It pisses the hard science people off


So the flacid ones don't mind as much?
 
2013-02-28 10:06:41 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-28 10:11:57 AM  

GanjSmokr: Aar1012: WTF Indeed: It's almost like political science is done with statistics, research, and long hours while punditry is done by talking out of your ass.

We also wear lab coats. It pisses the hard science people off

So the flacid ones don't mind as much?


They're too embarrassed to care
 
2013-02-28 10:13:18 AM  
Romney  did win the election. Or would have if liberals didn't "steal" the election again by voting in bigger numbers than conservatives. Or something.
 
2013-02-28 10:15:17 AM  
I have to agree though they missed a lot of more important things

1) The electorate is not "polarizing." It's "sorting."

From a historical standpoint the liberals/conservatives are getting along as usual, it has been far worse before.

2. Candidates change more than voters do.

People think the Fed/State rights debate is new among many other wedge issues like the separation of Church and State.  What liberals don't realize is that over time they indeed have been winning.

3. Independents aren't partisans.

Fark Independent.....enough said.

4. "Division" is easy to overstate.

They assume that every person toes the party line for every wedge issue.  Log Cabin Republicans....

5. Campaign ads really, really, really don't make much difference.

The majority of people don't follow politics let alone politicians closely, most don't watch debates, etc.  The propaganda war is effective which is why the liberals/conservative SuperPacs will be running 24/7 even out of election years to attempt to shape the hive mind.
 
2013-02-28 10:18:10 AM  
s15.postimage.org
 
2013-02-28 10:19:54 AM  

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 600x515]


I was hoping you would post that one. Made my day.
 
2013-02-28 10:23:46 AM  
Political pundit is one of the most useless jobs in the world. In any studies of their actual predictions they perform at, or even worse than, random.
 
2013-02-28 10:28:42 AM  

Tigger: Political pundit is one of the most useless jobs in the world. In any studies of their actual predictions they perform at, or even worse than, random.


Nate Silver is a limpwrist, so anything he says is a lie. Pundits are real men who know in their gut that what they're saying is true.

/what that one dude actually believes.
 
2013-02-28 10:45:18 AM  

Aar1012: GanjSmokr: Aar1012: WTF Indeed: It's almost like political science is done with statistics, research, and long hours while punditry is done by talking out of your ass.

We also wear lab coats. It pisses the hard science people off

So the flacid ones don't mind as much?

They're too embarrassed spent to care

 
2013-02-28 10:50:11 AM  
but, but, but, but,.....they all know so much and say it like what they know is the only answer..................!!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-28 11:17:30 AM  

Tigger: Political pundit is one of the most useless jobs in the world. In any studies of their actual predictions they perform at, or even worse than, random.


I wasn't aware of any formal studies of the issue, just specific individuals who really suck at their jobs (Morris, Kristol, etc.) and it's an open secret that they're always wrong.  Got any links?  Because if they even perform as well as random guesses, I would be surprised.
 
2013-02-28 12:12:55 PM  

TelemonianAjax: Tigger: Political pundit is one of the most useless jobs in the world. In any studies of their actual predictions they perform at, or even worse than, random.

I wasn't aware of any formal studies of the issue, just specific individuals who really suck at their jobs (Morris, Kristol, etc.) and it's an open secret that they're always wrong.  Got any links?  Because if they even perform as well as random guesses, I would be surprised.


Philip Tetlock "Expert Political Judgement"
 
2013-02-28 12:36:34 PM  

Tigger: TelemonianAjax: Tigger: Political pundit is one of the most useless jobs in the world. In any studies of their actual predictions they perform at, or even worse than, random.

I wasn't aware of any formal studies of the issue, just specific individuals who really suck at their jobs (Morris, Kristol, etc.) and it's an open secret that they're always wrong.  Got any links?  Because if they even perform as well as random guesses, I would be surprised.

Philip Tetlock "Expert Political Judgement"


This was a fascinating book.

\And frankly, it's amazing he even got so many to participate.
 
2013-02-28 12:41:16 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Tigger: TelemonianAjax: Tigger: Political pundit is one of the most useless jobs in the world. In any studies of their actual predictions they perform at, or even worse than, random.

I wasn't aware of any formal studies of the issue, just specific individuals who really suck at their jobs (Morris, Kristol, etc.) and it's an open secret that they're always wrong.  Got any links?  Because if they even perform as well as random guesses, I would be surprised.

Philip Tetlock "Expert Political Judgement"

This was a fascinating book.

\And frankly, it's amazing he even got so many to participate.


That he got so many to participate is actually a conclusion that his thesis predicts. Of course you participate in a study when you view the world through the lens of "I'm always right even when I'm not". The possibility that they would be made to look stupid never even crossed their mind.
 
2013-02-28 01:32:06 PM  
lol political science. where is your political science when millions of people will, for no reason at all except rank stupidity, vote for a semi-sentient housewife from a frozen lake because she has big tits and talks about moose?

There IS no political science worthy of the name, it belongs in the humanities and is a branch of history if anything. I know people like to use the word science to describe what they do but really folks..

(caveat: There is scientific statistical study of politics. There is scientific psychology.)
 
2013-02-28 02:48:30 PM  

gaspode: lol political science. where is your political science when millions of people will, for no reason at all except rank stupidity, vote for a semi-sentient housewife from a frozen lake because she has big tits and talks about moose?

There IS no political science worthy of the name, it belongs in the humanities and is a branch of history if anything. I know people like to use the word science to describe what they do but really folks..

(caveat: There is scientific statistical study of politics. There is scientific psychology.)


Right.  Sort of like Bigfoot hunters are like field Biologists.
 
2013-03-01 03:14:15 AM  

gaspode: lol political science. where is your political science when millions of people will, for no reason at all except rank stupidity, vote for a semi-sentient housewife from a frozen lake because she has big tits and talks about moose?

There IS no political science worthy of the name, it belongs in the humanities and is a branch of history if anything. I know people like to use the word science to describe what they do but really folks..

(caveat: There is scientific statistical study of politics. There is scientific psychology.)


Political Science is kind of an odd, halfway field between quantitative research and a humanities style theory based approach. Personally, I wind up more in the theory camp myself, but the statistical stuff can be interesting.

And there's been plenty of poli-sci ink spilled on Palin and her ilk. "Low Information Voters" gets a lot of play- it's political theory's way of saying, "abject moron who votes", or "teabagger". I was laughing my ass off when that one made the mainstream during this election cycle.
 
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