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(Huffington Post)   "The level of enmity and distrust here between Democrats and Republicans is as deep as it has been in a long time -- and both sides are in danger of underestimating the other's willingness to let destructive things happen to the country"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 138
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2013-02-28 12:50:02 PM

skipjack: This is the fark politics tab, so everything is naturally the fault of the GOP.


indiedesign.typepad.com
 
2013-02-28 12:53:48 PM

BunkoSquad: BillCo: Well, it doesn't really help that the President of the United States, who should be trying to bring together the political parties, is blaming the Republicans for everything from the Lindbergh kidnapping to meteorites hitting the earth.

Obama, the great divider.

Oh god you're right the Republicans totally want to work with him but he won't let them worst president ever


He probably took it personal when the that turtle from the GOP said his only goal was to make sure he didn't get re-elected. He's such a elitist jerk.

GOP - We do more nothing in 4 years then most people don't do in a lifetime.
 
2013-02-28 01:02:59 PM

usernameguy: More "both sides are bad" from the "liberal" media.


Indeed.

Hey "both sides are bad" assholes, why don't you cite examples of Democrats dicking over the rest of us? I can cite quite a few elected officials/legislators with "R" after their name doing this.
 
2013-02-28 01:05:11 PM

Citrate1007: PanicMan: Summary of the article:  "Obama is acting rationally, and is willing to make concessions in the best interests of the country.  But that means it's his fault the Repbulicans are disorganised and refusing to do anything productive.  I have no idea if its even possible to solve this, but Obama needs to do it somehow."

When you are the only adult in the situation it is your responsibility.


But in this case, the "children" have the law of the land behind them.  Obama can't just executive order the Republicans to come to the table and make concessions.
 
2013-02-28 01:07:37 PM

BilltheThrill: Kittypie070: BilltheThrill 2013-02-28 11:20:15 AM

usurping messiah

Why do you tea party people keep insisting that he's some kind of divine figure?

Do you worship him?


Ha!  And I'm the one they accuse of projection!  Keep telling the emperor how lovely his new clothes are.  St. Obama will take care of all of your problems so you don't need to take care of yourself.


You're even more boring than the other weak-ass alt from this morning.
 
2013-02-28 01:17:54 PM

BilltheThrill: Kittypie070: BilltheThrill 2013-02-28 11:20:15 AM

usurping messiah

Why do you tea party people keep insisting that he's some kind of divine figure?

Do you worship him?


Ha!  And I'm the one they accuse of projection!  Keep telling the emperor how lovely his new clothes are.  St. Obama will take care of all of your problems so you don't need to take care of yourself.


Yawn. Do you have anything of any substance to say or just childish bullshiat? Oh right I forgot who I was talking to. Nevermind, didn't mean to interrupt milk and nap time.
 
2013-02-28 01:22:35 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: usernameguy: More "both sides are bad" from the "liberal" media.

Indeed.

Hey "both sides are bad" assholes, why don't you cite examples of Democrats dicking over the rest of us? I can cite quite a few elected officials/legislators with "R" after their name doing this.


Wanting to spend money in the name of helping people is what all "D"s do that is "Bad".  Problem is they can't trust corporations to take care of people (any attempt to do so would be blocked by the "R"s) so they need to make government bigger to do it themselves.  Beyond that they are unable to prioritize their charity and generosity to their constituents and voters because they are unable to convince those very same people that certain issues take priority over other issues.  So the "D"s just want to push all well intentioned issues to the top so that they can have it all without any regard to spending.

Problem is that "D"s don't realize that some good intentions have potentially indirect long term bad results and the "R"s don't realize that some good intentioned long term results have indirect short term bad results.

/Sometimes bad comes from good and good comes from bad.Those issues turn into talking points and rhetoric.
 
2013-02-28 01:33:15 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: BilltheThrill: Kittypie070: BilltheThrill 2013-02-28 11:20:15 AM

usurping messiah

Why do you tea party people keep insisting that he's some kind of divine figure?

Do you worship him?


Ha!  And I'm the one they accuse of projection!  Keep telling the emperor how lovely his new clothes are.  St. Obama will take care of all of your problems so you don't need to take care of yourself.

Yawn. Do you have anything of any substance to say or just childish bullshiat? Oh right I forgot who I was talking to. Nevermind, didn't mean to interrupt milk and nap time.


Perhaps you need to ask yourself a very important question.  Y U Mad brah?
 
2013-02-28 01:33:43 PM

BillCo: Well, it doesn't really help that the President of the United States, who should be trying to bring together the political parties, is blaming the Republicans for everything from the Lindbergh kidnapping to meteorites hitting the earth.

Obama, the great divider. noticer of facts.

 
2013-02-28 01:37:21 PM

RedTank: Crotchrocket Slim: usernameguy: More "both sides are bad" from the "liberal" media.

Indeed.

Hey "both sides are bad" assholes, why don't you cite examples of Democrats dicking over the rest of us? I can cite quite a few elected officials/legislators with "R" after their name doing this.

Wanting to spend money in the name of helping people is what all "D"s do that is "Bad".  Problem is they can't trust corporations to take care of people (any attempt to do so would be blocked by the "R"s) so they need to make government bigger to do it themselves.  Beyond that they are unable to prioritize their charity and generosity to their constituents and voters because they are unable to convince those very same people that certain issues take priority over other issues.  So the "D"s just want to push all well intentioned issues to the top so that they can have it all without any regard to spending.

Problem is that "D"s don't realize that some good intentions have potentially indirect long term bad results and the "R"s don't realize that some good intentioned long term results have indirect short term bad results.

/Sometimes bad comes from good and good comes from bad.Those issues turn into talking points and rhetoric.


Fair enough but really, when Teabaggers get elected on "it's the economy stupid!" and then throw nothing but monkey wrenches into getting any economic bills passed and only introduce their own bills that have nothing to do with the economy and everything to do with working slut shaming etc. into law, it's really hard to hate on the Ds as much as the R's. I'd be fine with R's acting like R's if they'd actually act like R's looking to find solutions for us all.
 
2013-02-28 01:41:53 PM
Let me simplify this for everyone.

It takes two to make peace.

It only takes one to make war.

/sad, but true.
 
2013-02-28 01:48:55 PM
Today's "conservatives" are futile, impotent and, culturally, dead. They have nothing to offer and can achieve nothing. They can only help to destroy intellectual standards, to disintegrate thought, to discredit capitalism, and to accelerate this country's uncontested collapse into despair and dictatorship.
- Ayn Rand in "Conservatism: An Obituary"
 
2013-02-28 01:52:09 PM

usernameguy: More "both sides are bad" from the "liberal" media.

 
2013-02-28 01:53:37 PM

BilltheThrill: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: BilltheThrill: Kittypie070: BilltheThrill 2013-02-28 11:20:15 AM

usurping messiah

Why do you tea party people keep insisting that he's some kind of divine figure?

Do you worship him?


Ha!  And I'm the one they accuse of projection!  Keep telling the emperor how lovely his new clothes are.  St. Obama will take care of all of your problems so you don't need to take care of yourself.

Yawn. Do you have anything of any substance to say or just childish bullshiat? Oh right I forgot who I was talking to. Nevermind, didn't mean to interrupt milk and nap time.

Perhaps you need to ask yourself a very important question.  Y U Mad brah?


Glorp.  Weedle Mcdooty, flap alongst farthing moof.  Sint troy upwag morn cank long grooble, clame tring frow blaf waddle for them?
 
2013-02-28 02:01:00 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Fair enough but really, when Teabaggers get elected on "it's the economy stupid!" and then throw nothing but monkey wrenches into getting any economic bills passed and only introduce their own bills that have nothing to do with the economy and everything to do with working slut shaming etc. into law, it's really hard to hate on the Ds as much as the R's. I'd be fine with R's acting like R's if they'd actually act like R's looking to find solutions for us all.


I agree, but that's sort of subset of the bigger issue.

A lot of those tea party guys got elected on shaking up Washington and going against the grain.  But really they have absolutely no chance as they stand today because real politics is based upon that ugly word compromise.  So instead of by looking weak on their ideals by compromising they hold strong because they can easily make that case to their radical audience.  "Hey, you elected me to do 100% of this issue but those liberals and moderate "R"s want us to only do 90%??  That extra 10% is what makes this issue so important, we cannot accept anything less!"  Then they get nothing and get to blame it on everyone else.  By holding strong they think they have a higher chance of getting re elected.  If they compromised they fear come next election they could lose their seat to someone equally radical whom defames them for their support of 10% less.

/Just my thoughts...
//Hope my rantings make sense...
 
2013-02-28 02:01:58 PM

BilltheThrill: handouts


Ah, the common clay of the new west.
 
2013-02-28 02:03:49 PM
corn?
 
2013-02-28 02:03:52 PM

I'm sure that this will help our economy!

former NIH director Elias Zerhouni said:

"I think the suddenness of it and the depth of it would be a disaster for research, which is not an activity that you can turn on and off from year to year. It's an activity that takes time. The most   impacted  are the young, new investigator scientists, who are coming into science, and will now abandon the field of science. There will be a generational gap created.
An average grant is five  years long, because science is like that. So think: That means that every one year, only 20 percent of the grants come to their end. So any one year, NIH only has 20 percent  of its money available for new grants. At NIH, about half of the grants get terminated at five years, but the rest get to be continued, as you don't want to throw away good research. So the half of it that's left has to go to very promising areas of science, and you have 10 percent left.
If you take 8 percent of that 10 percent, it's going to come from new science, new people, young investigators; we are going to maim our innovation capabilities if you do these abrupt deep cuts at  NIH. It will  impact science for generations to come."
 
2013-02-28 02:12:34 PM

clambam: Having gone over the cliff yet again as it were, the Democrats would be foolish to settle for anything less than total victory now. A compromise will only be seen as a sign of weakness from the right, and they'll be ready to start this whole mishigoss up again when the next debt ceiling vote arrives. They must be utterly crushed, put in their place, humiliated, so that the country's business can proceed. God knows that's what they'd like to do to the Democrats; do unto others before they can do unto you.


THIS
the dems have little to nothing to lose here and EVERYTHING to gain.
FFS, they should put the leadership of the house on the table. get the few rational gop house members needed for a majority and vote boner out of power.

imagine the uproar and entertainment if that happened??
it would also "solve" this and those other problems ...
debt ceiling "problem" - gone
rational taxes (say back to reagan/bush/clinton levels) - passed and signed

so yah, GOP obstructionism is all about making the black guy look bad and helping their rich friends
 
2013-02-28 02:18:26 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: If the Democrats would just acquiese and let us eliminate the capital gains tax inheritance tax, minimum wage, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, then they need to help us institute a "fair tax" on all income between 100 and 100,000 dollars. Then they need to finally admit that life begins at insertion. Then we will pass a bill that postpones the sequester for 90 days.

But they refuse to compromise.


this would solve all the problems in the world. it would be paradise, heaven on earth.
I am surprised that the GOP has failed to sell this message!!
the best part is plan would balance the budget and allow raising defense spending to at least a trillion a year.
hell there would probably be a surplus, allowing us to pay off the debt in 2-3 years !!!

/lol - I love this game
 
2013-02-28 02:24:47 PM
President Barack Obama is now representing the situation

www.officialsituation.com

Unavailable for comment
 
2013-02-28 02:27:43 PM

Freeballin: Why can't we have a reasonable number of political parties?  Are people too stupid?  If these people would self-identify their party correctly, people would know who to vote for.  Nothing wrong with being from the CDU, SPD, FDP etc., (German political parties, of which there are more than two), as long as people know what their values are and who they're voting for.  It would help America immensely IMO.  People who want to vote for super religious fundies would know what party to vote for.  People who want conservative but not overly religious would know.  And so on.

The obvious problem would be that they would have to share power and stick to an ideology which isn't currently the way, but that's exactly why we need it.  Wanna run as a Tea Partier?  Great, go for it, be open about it, but if they vote straight Repub, and not straight Tea Party you won't get their vote.  It's so bass ackwards to assume that people can only identify with one of two parties today, and more parties would give the libertarians a chance as well.


because our form of representative democracy naturally devolves to a 2 party system. there have been studies showing that this is the case. (india is one strange counter example)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system#Causes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

So without changing our voting system, we are unlikely to ever have multiple-parties. esp as long as the two parties have complete control over ballot access.
(you dont think so? why should a nation candidate need to get on the ballot in all 50 states? why wouldn't it be automatic with a minimal threshold?)
 
2013-02-28 02:39:28 PM
Article's certainly half right...

/don't recall Democrats declaring that they'd rather crash the economy than see a Republican get elected for a second term...
 
2013-02-28 02:51:32 PM

Empty Matchbook: Article's certainly half right...

/don't recall Democrats declaring that they'd rather crash the economy than see a Republican get elected for a second term...


BOTHSIDESAREBAD!!
 
2013-02-28 03:17:47 PM

BilltheThrill: If your looking for someone to blame, blame the group that wants to spend money we don't have on things we don't need.


You're right. We need to raise revenue so we can pay our bills.
 
2013-02-28 03:27:51 PM
What I don't get is that if the Rebulicans are trying to make sure that the top 1% keep all the tax advantages by basically doing what they are doing......

Don't the top 1% see that this will eventually have a negative effect on the economy and will hurt their bottom line?

Are they betting that they will suceed?

And that the potential gains far outweigh the most likely losses?
 
2013-02-28 03:42:17 PM
I say let them happen, I'm tired of going from fake crisis to fake crisis because congress likes putting off work, not doing work, extending debt limits a few weeks at a time and the like. I'm tired of living in what is effectively a continual crisis brought on by the party not in power refusing to let even the most basic functions of government progress unhindered. Aside from this, better the sequester than the debt limit argument, we can't keep this idiocy up... better to work our shiat out now than keep waiting.
 
2013-02-28 03:46:17 PM
One sign of a crappy article is that the entire thing can be reduced to a single sentence without losing much information

Obama should negotiate with terrorists so that he'll still have terrorists to negotiate with.
 
2013-02-28 03:48:34 PM

BilltheThrill: Kittypie070: BilltheThrill 2013-02-28 11:20:15 AM

usurping messiah

Why do you tea party people keep insisting that he's some kind of divine figure?

Do you worship him?


Ha!  And I'm the one they accuse of projection!  Keep telling the emperor how lovely his new clothes are.  St. Obama will take care of all of your problems so you don't need to take care of yourself.


Oh.....kay, I shall very carefully mark you down as an absolutely abject Obama worshiper who also burns incense to him every week and has a gold-and-hologram-foil framed portait of him in the living room.

I mean, he IS National Command Authority and can set off the nukes any old time he wants, and you baggers just adore AUTHORITY and DOOMSDAY, don't ya? Riiight??
 
2013-02-28 03:48:44 PM

firefly212: Aside from this, better the sequester than the debt limit argument, we can't keep this idiocy up... better to work our shiat out now than keep waiting.


I think we'll be re-visiting the debt limit argument shortly, regardless of how the sequester shakes out.
 
2013-02-28 04:13:46 PM

netcentric: "Well, Jay Carney, explain this to me: The most imperial president in American history, a man who boasts that he will rule by Executive Action if Congress refuses to pass legislation he favors, can't figure out how to direct spending cuts in a way that does the least harm to the American people?....I can't wait."     -   Bill Frezza   Forbes


Anytime someone describes the president (any president) as "the most" anything, I stop reading.
 
2013-02-28 04:23:21 PM

qorkfiend: firefly212: Aside from this, better the sequester than the debt limit argument, we can't keep this idiocy up... better to work our shiat out now than keep waiting.

I think we'll be re-visiting the debt limit argument shortly, regardless of how the sequester shakes out.


Any sequestration agreement should include a debt limit agreement. We should signal that we're done moving from one crisis to the next, that this whole hostage-taking strategy is done.
 
2013-02-28 07:17:14 PM
I'd just like to suggest we issue each of these Congresscritters one nuclear weapon + DoD approved trigger each and let them have it out that way.
 
2013-02-28 08:44:11 PM

firefly212: qorkfiend: firefly212: Aside from this, better the sequester than the debt limit argument, we can't keep this idiocy up... better to work our shiat out now than keep waiting.

I think we'll be re-visiting the debt limit argument shortly, regardless of how the sequester shakes out.

Any sequestration agreement should include a debt limit agreement. We should signal that we're done moving from one crisis to the next, that this whole hostage-taking strategy is done.


It should, but I have serious doubts that the House GOP agrees.
 
2013-03-01 12:01:54 AM

Evil High Priest: Empty Matchbook: Article's certainly half right...

/don't recall Democrats declaring that they'd rather crash the economy than see a Republican get elected for a second term...

BOTHSIDESAREBAD!!


RIGHT! How foolish of me to forget!
 
2013-03-01 04:26:48 AM
let me tell you, "both sides are bad" is the most useless piece of neurosis inducing crap i've ever heard.

you either support rampant unchecked greed as a the sole marker of worth, or you think we should apply careful planning to avoid unneeded suffering because the geniuses of the next generation could come from anywhere. anywhere at all.

you're one or the other, and you can't be both.No matter how "pat" it all sounds to you, you're just another useless jackoff when you spout trash that attempts to make other people as lazy and uncaring as you yourself are.

/we all know what you types want. you want to say it's okay as long as it ain't happening  to you. we get it.
 
2013-03-01 05:13:16 AM
Um....can we just gang up on the both sides are bad yappers and like dogpile on them?
 
2013-03-01 10:16:34 AM

emotion_lotion: What I don't get is that if the Rebulicans are trying to make sure that the top 1% keep all the tax advantages by basically doing what they are doing......

Don't the top 1% see that this will eventually have a negative effect on the economy and will hurt their bottom line?

Are they betting that they will suceed?

And that the potential gains far outweigh the most likely losses?


The 1% are the result of generations of "businessmen/women" who don't have the slightest idea how to actually run a business. All their actions are about maximizing short-term profits for shareholders rather than looking at the long-term strategies that will pay well in the future. That's why they "right-size," outsource and demand consessions from labor even though they're making record profits. Tjey may think of themselves as Rockefellers but they're just Gordon Gekkos.
 
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