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(CBS New York)   Gov. Andrew Cuomo exempts Hollywood from the high capacity magazine ban so they can continue to fire 1000-10,000 shots before having to reload   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line 86
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2013-02-28 06:33:03 AM  
Is that like encouraging people to wear condoms, but not using them in porn films?
 
2013-02-28 06:43:22 AM  
It's like Hollywood might use the equipment in highly controlled settings with documented experts and has made a legitimate claim necessitating their exemption

/They're probably also paying lots of money
 
2013-02-28 06:59:34 AM  

Summoner101: It's like Hollywood might use the equipment in highly controlled settings with documented experts and has made a legitimate claim necessitating their exemption

/They're probably also paying lots of money


So glorifying guns is bad if Colt and Bushmaster make money off it, but glorifying guns is fantastic if Hollywood makes money off it.
 
2013-02-28 07:19:13 AM  

Gulper Eel: Summoner101: It's like Hollywood might use the equipment in highly controlled settings with documented experts and has made a legitimate claim necessitating their exemption

/They're probably also paying lots of money

So glorifying guns is bad if Colt and Bushmaster make money off it, but glorifying guns is fantastic if Hollywood makes money off it.


I don't know about you but I've sure as shiat seen an assload of criticism directed at Hollywood movies in particular for glorifying guns n' violence in the wake of the Newtown massacre. I think pretty much everyone has caught a fair share of criticism, no one has been singled out. It seems no one is capable of discussing it rationally.
 
2013-02-28 07:33:17 AM  

Slaxl: I don't know about you but I've sure as shiat seen an assload of criticism directed at Hollywood movies in particular for glorifying guns n' violence in the wake of the Newtown massacre. I think pretty much everyone has caught a fair share of criticism, no one has been singled out. It seems no one is capable of discussing it rationally.


None of which addresses why Hollywood should get an exemption to New York's law, if we accept the premise (I don't) that the marketing of guns through advertising and culture is driving the violence.

The only explanation that holds water is that Hollywood has more clout in New York than the gun business does.
 
2013-02-28 07:47:11 AM  
Or...
Brandon Lee, Jon Erik Hexum... and I can't think of anyone else actually killed with a Hollywood gun.
You guys do know those are blanks, right?
 
2013-02-28 07:53:49 AM  
Dunno if this is even necessary considering I've seen Hollywood revolvers that can fire about 20 shots before needing to reload.
 
2013-02-28 07:55:22 AM  

propasaurus: Or...
Brandon Lee, Jon Erik Hexum... and I can't think of anyone else actually killed with a Hollywood gun.
You guys do know those are blanks, right?


But are the unlimited-capacity magazines of Hollywood real? I know NY has a seven-round limit, but what about the magically reloading stuff of action movies?
 
2013-02-28 07:57:10 AM  
And what is up with letting Hollywood keep wild animals that I'M not allowed to keep as pets within the city? And don't get me started on zoos...
 
2013-02-28 08:02:56 AM  
People are such easily led sheep. Truly amazing.
 
2013-02-28 08:58:52 AM  
No good liberal wants to admit that violent video games and movies play a part in senseless shooting rampages.  It's the gun's fault and the only solution is to punish the people who own them.
 
2013-02-28 10:01:39 AM  
Usually the guns they use in tv and movies aren't real. And they don't use real bullets.
 
2013-02-28 10:02:55 AM  
No good liberal wants to admit that 98% of mass shooters brushed their teeth within 24 hours of picking up a gun and killing a bunch of people and no liberals want to hold Aquafresh complicit for their role in the carnage
 
2013-02-28 10:04:58 AM  
Fun Fact:

CSI: NY is filmed in Los Angeles.
 
2013-02-28 10:12:57 AM  
1000 rounds... what, in their little pistols?
 
2013-02-28 10:14:15 AM  
First thing I thought of..

You'll thank me, repeatedly.
 
2013-02-28 10:15:01 AM  

vernonFL: Usually the guns they use in tv and movies aren't real. And they don't use real bullets.


No shiat, Romero.

The point is that there's been decades worth of pearl-clutching about how the entertainment-industrial complex glorifies gun violence and how they should stop it for the good of our impressionable children, and if you oppose this common-senseTM measure you're nothing more than a shill for the merchants of death.

Now along comes along a law that actually makes the glorification of gun violence more difficult to depict (although that wasn't its main intent), and conveniently the b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but-it's-for-the-CHILDREN-you-monster blatherers like Cuomo fall silent and hit their knees to give Hollywood a big sloppy beej.
 
2013-02-28 10:15:04 AM  
In addition to allowing them to possess fake guns, I hear he lets them commit fake murder! Murder!
 
2013-02-28 10:18:06 AM  

Gulper Eel: The point is that there's been decades worth of pearl-clutching about how the entertainment-industrial complex glorifies gun violence and how they should stop it for the good of our impressionable children, and if you oppose this common-senseTM measure you're nothing more than a shill for the merchants of death.


Do you think a large majority of gun control advocates have been calling for a ban on gun violence on TV and in movies? Because that really, really doesn't fit with my experience. As in, it's not even close. Not even a little bit.
 
2013-02-28 10:19:31 AM  

Summoner101: It's like Hollywood might use the equipment in highly controlled settings with documented experts and has made a legitimate claim necessitating their exemption

/They're probably also paying lots of money



They are also firing blanks.
 
2013-02-28 10:20:34 AM  

BillCo: No good liberal wants to admit that violent video games and movies play a part in senseless shooting rampages.  It's the gun's fault and the only solution is to punish the people who own them.


*reads comment*
...
...
...
*herp?*
*looks at poster's name*

Ahh, makes perfect sense.
 
2013-02-28 10:28:04 AM  

vernonFL: Usually the guns they use in tv and movies aren't real. And they don't use real bullets.



The guns are real. It's just that many have been modified to operate normally while firing blanks without the need for external (and highly visible) adaptors.
 
2013-02-28 10:28:10 AM  

Gulper Eel: The point is that there's been decades worth of pearl-clutching about how the entertainment-industrial complex glorifies gun violence and how they should stop it for the good of our impressionable children, and if you oppose this common-senseTM measure you're nothing more than a shill for the merchants of death.


I disagree, I think the point is that a law banning guns and magazines would not apply to fake guns and fake magazines. I'm not a lawyer, but I believe usually there are exemptions for most gun laws in most states that allow for historical non functioning weapons or non functioning reproductions.
 
2013-02-28 10:29:17 AM  

Gulper Eel: vernonFL: Usually the guns they use in tv and movies aren't real. And they don't use real bullets.

No shiat, Romero.

The point is that there's been decades worth of pearl-clutching about how the entertainment-industrial complex glorifies gun violence and how they should stop it for the good of our impressionable children, and if you oppose this common-senseTM measure you're nothing more than a shill for the merchants of death.

Now along comes along a law that actually makes the glorification of gun violence more difficult to depict (although that wasn't its main intent), and conveniently the b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but-it's-for-the-CHILDREN-you-monster blatherers like Cuomo fall silent and hit their knees to give Hollywood a big sloppy beej.


It's almost as if "liberals" have a wide variety of opinions and thoughts on the issue, rather than all falling under one easily defined strawman banner.
 
2013-02-28 10:31:29 AM  

Alphax: Is that like encouraging people to wear condoms, but not using them in porn films?


No one needs high-capacity "assault" condoms, nor is their any sporting purpose for the Magnum variety.
 
2013-02-28 10:34:16 AM  
dr_blasto:But are the unlimited-capacity magazines of Hollywood real? I know NY has a seven-round limit, but what about the magically reloading stuff of action movies?

Maybe they use a Möbius clip.
 
2013-02-28 10:37:14 AM  

dr_blasto: propasaurus: Or...
Brandon Lee, Jon Erik Hexum... and I can't think of anyone else actually killed with a Hollywood gun.
You guys do know those are blanks, right?

But are the unlimited-capacity magazines of Hollywood real? I know NY has a seven-round limit, but what about the magically reloading stuff of action movies?


Or laser guns, you don't even need to reload them at all,  what kind of example is that setting for our children?
 
2013-02-28 10:38:28 AM  

Snarfangel: dr_blasto:But are the unlimited-capacity magazines of Hollywood real? I know NY has a seven-round limit, but what about the magically reloading stuff of action movies?

Maybe they use a Möbius clip.



Those only work for the 2-D ammunition drawn in comic books.
 
2013-02-28 10:39:14 AM  

BillCo: No good liberal wants to admit that violent video games and movies play a part in senseless shooting rampages.  It's the gun's fault and the only solution is to punish the people who own them.


Personally, I'd rather hang out with a guy who owns a hundred video games than one who owns a hundred guns.
 
2013-02-28 10:43:37 AM  

thurstonxhowell: Gulper Eel: The point is that there's been decades worth of pearl-clutching about how the entertainment-industrial complex glorifies gun violence and how they should stop it for the good of our impressionable children, and if you oppose this common-senseTM measure you're nothing more than a shill for the merchants of death.

Do you think a large majority of gun control advocates have been calling for a ban on gun violence on TV and in movies? Because that really, really doesn't fit with my experience. As in, it's not even close. Not even a little bit.


Hollywood's legislators stay bought. Also, nobody is so politically hamfisted as to call for an outright ban. They do, for example, what Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) does:

"Rockefeller is proposing that the National Academy of Sciences study the relationship between real-world violence and virtual-world violence in videogames. Reading between the lines, the idea is to perhaps acquire conclusive fodder, if there is any, from this prestigious group of scientists that there is an association between the two.

With that in pocket, state or federal legislation just might withstand Supreme Court scrutiny, or at least spur lawmakers to act.

The lower courts and the Supreme Court, in striking down a California law banning the sale or rental of violent videogames to minors, among other things, ruled last year that there were only "small" demonstrated effects associating videogame and real-world violence.

That is not lost on Rockefeller, the Commerce Committee chairman.

"Recent court decisions demonstrate that some people still do not get it. They believe that violent videogames are no more dangerous to young minds than classic literature or Saturday morning cartoons. Parents, pediatricians, and psychologists know better," he said in a statement. "These court decisions show we need to do more and explore ways Congress can lay additional groundwork on this issue. This report will be a critical resource in this process."


In other words...here they come.
 
2013-02-28 10:45:07 AM  

give me doughnuts: Snarfangel: dr_blasto:But are the unlimited-capacity magazines of Hollywood real? I know NY has a seven-round limit, but what about the magically reloading stuff of action movies?

Maybe they use a Möbius clip.


Those only work for the 2-D ammunition drawn in comic books.


What about a Klein bandolier?
 
2013-02-28 10:52:49 AM  

Snarfangel: give me doughnuts: Snarfangel: dr_blasto:But are the unlimited-capacity magazines of Hollywood real? I know NY has a seven-round limit, but what about the magically reloading stuff of action movies?

Maybe they use a Möbius clip.


Those only work for the 2-D ammunition drawn in comic books.

What about a Klein bandolier?


Noob! It's called an "Infinity Canteen."  Duh!

If you think those are neat, just wait till you see the new bivouac shelters. The troops call them a wrinkle in tent.


/meh. that may be pushing it a bit
 
2013-02-28 10:53:01 AM  

Gulper Eel: Slaxl: I don't know about you but I've sure as shiat seen an assload of criticism directed at Hollywood movies in particular for glorifying guns n' violence in the wake of the Newtown massacre. I think pretty much everyone has caught a fair share of criticism, no one has been singled out. It seems no one is capable of discussing it rationally.

None of which addresses why Hollywood should get an exemption to New York's law, if we accept the premise (I don't) that the marketing of guns through advertising and culture is driving the violence.

The only explanation that holds water is that Hollywood has more clout in New York than the gun business does.


There are film studios outside of Hollywood, and they sometimes like to shoot on-location.
 
2013-02-28 10:55:25 AM  
It's not the guns, it's free speech.

This is what retards actually need to believe.
 
2013-02-28 10:59:57 AM  
What's amazing is number of times that New York City has been destroyed in movies and been quickly rebuilt as if nothing ever happened. That must create a lot of good paying jobs for construction workers
 
2013-02-28 11:01:59 AM  

Gulper Eel: thurstonxhowell: Gulper Eel: The point is that there's been decades worth of pearl-clutching about how the entertainment-industrial complex glorifies gun violence and how they should stop it for the good of our impressionable children, and if you oppose this common-senseTM measure you're nothing more than a shill for the merchants of death.

Do you think a large majority of gun control advocates have been calling for a ban on gun violence on TV and in movies? Because that really, really doesn't fit with my experience. As in, it's not even close. Not even a little bit.

Hollywood's legislators stay bought. Also, nobody is so politically hamfisted as to call for an outright ban. They do, for example, what Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) does:

"Rockefeller is proposing that the National Academy of Sciences study the relationship between real-world violence and virtual-world violence in videogames. Reading between the lines, the idea is to perhaps acquire conclusive fodder, if there is any, from this prestigious group of scientists that there is an association between the two.

With that in pocket, state or federal legislation just might withstand Supreme Court scrutiny, or at least spur lawmakers to act.

The lower courts and the Supreme Court, in striking down a California law banning the sale or rental of violent videogames to minors, among other things, ruled last year that there were only "small" demonstrated effects associating videogame and real-world violence.

That is not lost on Rockefeller, the Commerce Committee chairman.

"Recent court decisions demonstrate that some people still do not get it. They believe that violent videogames are no more dangerous to young minds than classic literature or Saturday morning cartoons. Parents, pediatricians, and psychologists know better," he said in a statement. "These court decisions show we need to do more and explore ways Congress can lay additional groundwork on this issue. This report will be a critical resource in thi ...


I don't see what your problem is. All he's doing is agreeing with Wayne LaPierre:

And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people. Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here's one: it's called Kindergarten Killers. It's been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn't or didn't want anyone to know you had found it?
 
2013-02-28 11:02:02 AM  

Bermuda59: That must create a lot of good paying jobs for construction workers


Squalor Restoration Specialists Local 433 does nicely enough, thanks.
 
2013-02-28 11:05:57 AM  

Bermuda59: What's amazing is number of times that New York City has been destroyed in movies and been quickly rebuilt as if nothing ever happened. That must create a lot of good paying jobs for construction workers


Parable of the broken window...
 
2013-02-28 11:07:54 AM  

thurstonxhowell: I don't see what your problem is. All he's doing is agreeing with Wayne LaPierre:


The question is whether they actually believe the bilge pouring out of their mouths, or whether they're just cynical asshats trying to look busy so they can churn up wharr and contributions.
 
2013-02-28 11:11:55 AM  

Gulper Eel: thurstonxhowell: I don't see what your problem is. All he's doing is agreeing with Wayne LaPierre:

The question is whether they actually believe the bilge pouring out of their mouths, or whether they're just cynical asshats trying to look busy so they can churn up wharr and contributions.


I thought the question was whether or not most liberals would actually support banning gun violence in movies. You changed the subject a bit, but that's what we started on.

The answer, in case you're wondering, is no. No they would not. Also, unless you do support such a ban, then it's more than a little disingenuous for you to get outraged at the fact that they do.
 
2013-02-28 11:14:38 AM  
... not

I seem to have dropped that off the end there.
 
2013-02-28 11:14:54 AM  
Why is it so unpossible for anyone to acknowledge that maybe some people's initial fascination with guns starts with movies and games?  Usually they're complete morons; I know before I ever owned a gun I always wanted a Berretta 92 because I saw it in a movie and thought it was awesome for years afterwards.  Of course, I was a complete moron back then, but that's the point to a degree.

People also use Hollywood movies as depictions of what happens when people get shot.  As if one shot actually stops someone in their tracks and spins them around.  <--- this is what some of the people trying to legislate against gun ownership today believe though.  6 shots is enough, 10 is enough etc.  Statistics tell us otherwise, but they remember someone got shot once and died immediate because it was a .357 mag and it spun them around too, only it was an episode of CSI which is totally like real life.  I don't necessarily believe we need to tone down violence in movies, but we do need to remember that it can have an effect on people and if you make your living glorifying violence, to come out against it is rather hypocritical.  Or in this case to say it's not okay, unless it's fake and makes us money.  You don't know what people are going to take away from a movie or video game.  You can't control that.  Your whole point might be that guns and gangs are bad, but instead all they remember the part where Tony Montana lives an awesome life for a while, not where he gets shot in the back of the head, all alone.
 
2013-02-28 11:19:59 AM  

Freeballin: Why is it so unpossible for anyone to acknowledge that maybe some people's initial fascination with guns starts with movies and games?  Usually they're complete morons; I know before I ever owned a gun I always wanted a Berretta 92 because I saw it in a movie and thought it was awesome for years afterwards.  Of course, I was a complete moron back then, but that's the point to a degree.


Movies and games?  Sure.  Movies, tv, news, and games?  Even more accurate.  Throw in something about why guns were fascinating 100 or more years ago, when kids were "playing" guns all the time still, and you're doing better.

But the people who want to "blame the media" go straight at video games and video games alone.  As if kids weren't pretending to shoot each other 100 years ago.

The fact that guns sell well, in various media forms, is a symptom or sign of the problem.  The problem is that guns are cool.  How do we fix this?  No clue.
 
2013-02-28 11:23:06 AM  

thurstonxhowell: I thought the question was whether or not most liberals would actually support banning gun violence in movies. You changed the subject a bit, but that's what we started on.

The answer, in case you're wondering, is no. No they would not. Also, unless you do support such a ban, then it's more than a little disingenuous for you to get outraged at the fact that they do.


The measure at issue in New York did not go anywhere near banning gun violence in movies, and I never said it would or should - it only made it a hassle for film shoots to use the newly-banned weapons in their New York productions, meaning that they'd take their business elsewhere. So the law is being tweaked so as to give the entertainment industry special status - even as we have the NRA on the right and legislators on the left calling for content restrictions and why does the Constitution hate the children blah blah blah.

Even White House adviser David Axelrod has joined the nannies, and no way does he open his mouth without the boss' say-so. (I am NOT buying the AP writer's unsupported opinion in that link that further legislative attempts are unlikely.)
 
2013-02-28 11:25:08 AM  

kronicfeld: Bermuda59: What's amazing is number of times that New York City has been destroyed in movies and been quickly rebuilt as if nothing ever happened. That must create a lot of good paying jobs for construction workers

Parable of the broken window...


It's like the description of New York City in the beginning of "Kingdom Come."
With no way to recoup funds to repair the damage from meta-human "rumbles," the city could no longer afford to conduct repairs. Insurance companies stopped offering coverage to vehicles and real property.
 
2013-02-28 11:25:25 AM  

Gulper Eel: Summoner101: It's like Hollywood might use the equipment in highly controlled settings with documented experts and has made a legitimate claim necessitating their exemption

/They're probably also paying lots of money

So glorifying guns is bad if Colt and Bushmaster make money off it, but glorifying guns is fantastic if Hollywood makes money off it.


Nah, we all know the real problem is the video game industry.
 
2013-02-28 11:29:38 AM  

Gulper Eel: Summoner101: It's like Hollywood might use the equipment in highly controlled settings with documented experts and has made a legitimate claim necessitating their exemption

/They're probably also paying lots of money

So glorifying guns is bad if Colt and Bushmaster make money off it, but glorifying guns is fantastic if Hollywood makes money off it.


Colt and Bushmaster don't "glorify" guns, they manufacture and advertise them.
I's like saying Coca-Cola glorifies soft-drinks, or Charmin glorifies toilet paper.
 
2013-02-28 11:49:34 AM  

justtray: It's not the guns, it's free speech.

This is what retards actually need to believe.




So free speech is the ability to own an assault rifle?
...and to own it SPECIFICALLY for the purposes of creating violent scenes?

/Because when We think of safe gun use, We think of Hollywood actors.
 
2013-02-28 11:50:41 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Nah, we all know the real problem is the video game industry.


Which is why we see so many children striking out for the midwest to start their own farming communities.
 
2013-02-28 11:51:14 AM  
Yet another example of the 2 tiered legal system.  More laws for us, and fewer laws the well connected.

What exactly makes the entertainment industry safer than regular citizens who are licensed by the state?
 
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