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(The Verge)   Google: People want gigabit internet and ISPs can make a profit selling it to them. Time-Warner: LuLz. No they don't. Besides, free cable and internet to city council members in exchange for a monopoly is cheaper than upgrading infrastructure   (theverge.com) divider line 69
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2013-02-28 09:54:31 AM
fark Time Warner in the goddam ear with a farking rusty chainsaw.
 
2013-02-28 09:59:38 AM
The customer is always wrong and the shareholder is always right!
 
2013-02-28 10:02:17 AM
If there was a way to cut TW out of my life and move to another service, I'd do it in a heart-beat. Unfortunately, they're the only game in town until the phone company rolls out FIOP in our area (which they're taking their sweet-ass time doing).
 
2013-02-28 10:02:51 AM
I have heard not one good thing about Time Warner from anyone anywhere. Talking to people here on Fark and co-workers who've had them, their service is just flat-out awful. Say what you want about Comcast's customer service (no problems on my end, by the way), but their speeds? Farking awesome. I've clocked my downstream at just about 120, but usually get about the 60-80 range with about 15 up.
 
2013-02-28 10:06:15 AM
"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."
 
2013-02-28 10:13:09 AM
I remember as a kid being taught in school about America's glorious free market system, whilst simultaneously being taught about the dirty Soviets and their corrupt and unfair system of government. Good times, man, good times.
 
2013-02-28 10:13:12 AM

ampoliros: If there was a way to cut TW out of my life and move to another service, I'd do it in a heart-beat. Unfortunately, they're the only game in town until the phone company rolls out FIOP in our area (which they're taking their sweet-ass time doing).


Yup it's either deal with Time Warner or deal with Windstream here. I'd rather deal with Time Warner any day over those assholes at Windstream.
 
2013-02-28 10:15:34 AM
Well, TWC is sorta heavily invested in buggy-whips at the moment.  What they want to do is _quietly_ move their money elsewhere while delaying the obsolescence of their core products as long as possible.

Assuming they're competent, that is, which may be a big assumption.
 
2013-02-28 10:19:06 AM
I bet Sprint feels the same way about their awesome break neck 500kbps 3G service..
 
2013-02-28 10:20:42 AM
No shiat no one gets your top tier service. It's expensive and only a little better than your middle of the road stuff. Lets see Google expand to more markets and then tell us there's no demand.
 
2013-02-28 10:26:32 AM

picturescrazy: No shiat no one gets your top tier service. It's expensive and only a little better than your middle of the road stuff. Lets see Google expand to more markets and then tell us there's no demand.


Yup.  Up here the cable company talks the same way.  "No one will buy our fastest internet, but everyone loves our cable bundle, they don't want fast internet."  Well, since they have ridiculously low caps, and charge more for just the internet as they do for their middle of the road internet (with double the allowable download amounts), cable, and phone bundle.  Why would anyone be surprised that people won't buy faster internet.  Trust me, if it made any financial sense, I would.
 
2013-02-28 10:30:19 AM

untaken_name: fark Time Warner in the goddam ear with a farking rusty chainsaw.


You know...Time Warner (or Comcast) give Verizon FiOS a good name.  That's saying something.
 
2013-02-28 10:34:12 AM
I almost felt bad for the TWC rep who came to my apartment. They're having a big signup blitz in my area that does have Fios. This was his offer. $90 a month for Triple Play with 15/5 internet and the normal cable/phone bundle for the first year. Told him I pay $105 for 50/25 internet, every channel except movies and phone and that's after my "everything free for new subs" has expired.
He gave me his card and went to the next apartment.
 
2013-02-28 10:35:21 AM
I have 100Mbit business service at home and 20Mbit service at my office, both from Comcast. I actually need the upstream bandwidth at home, but for normal end users there probably is a point where their internet connections are fast enough. A lot of home users are still going to run in to problems because they're using ancient access devices or home routers, or because of massive amounts of local 2.4GHz interference anyway.

Not that I'm defending Time Warner's Statement and not that there aren't awesome applications for having a tremendous amount of bandwidth, but it's tough to say that it's something regular people need right now. If anything, I'd be a lot more up in arms over data transfer caps than overall bandwidth.
 
2013-02-28 10:36:17 AM
Child Please. We have Suddenlink for cable and internet here. I eventually dropped the cable service for DirecTV, but still have to use them for internet. $52/mo for 12-20 Mbps down and just over 1 Mbps up.
 
2013-02-28 10:38:47 AM

untaken_name: fark Time Warner in the goddam ear with a farking rusty chainsaw.


Yeah, fark TimeWarner, but God forbid you hold the politicians who enable them accountable.

REO-Weedwagon: I remember as a kid being taught in school about America's glorious free market system, whilst simultaneously being taught about the dirty Soviets and their corrupt and unfair system of government. Good times, man, good times.


Not sure you thought this post through.
 
2013-02-28 10:42:18 AM
FTFA: The executive claims that residential customers have thus far shown little interest in TWC's top internet tiers. "A very small fraction of our customer base" ultimately choose those options, she said.

I wonder why someone would want Google fiber when they don't want TWC's top tier service. Let's compare:TWC - 50Mbps for $75/monthGoogle Fiber - Gigabit for $70/monthMuch faster internet for less money? Nah. Consumers won't go for that at all.
 
2013-02-28 10:54:08 AM

RoxtarRyan: I have heard not one good thing about Time Warner from anyone anywhere. Talking to people here on Fark and co-workers who've had them, their service is just flat-out awful. Say what you want about Comcast's customer service (no problems on my end, by the way), but their speeds? Farking awesome. I've clocked my downstream at just about 120, but usually get about the 60-80 range with about 15 up.


For us, it was consistency. Comcast would frequently just go out for 1-2 minutes at a time, which made online gaming unworkable, and any video services over IP an inconvenience.

The only time my current internet has ever gone out was during an active hurricane. Right before the power started to flicker. I'm willing to pay a bit extra for that, and accept a moderately lower speed.
 
2013-02-28 10:55:18 AM
I told Comcast to go fly a kite today regarding their bundle service.

I upgraded to their fastest tier internet and bought a roku and HD broadcast antenna for the TV. Even with Hulu Plus and Netflix Im still spending almost 100 less

fark you comcast, fark you very much.
 
2013-02-28 10:59:18 AM

FLMountainMan: untaken_name: fark Time Warner in the goddam ear with a farking rusty chainsaw.

Yeah, fark TimeWarner, but God forbid you hold the politicians who enable them accountable.

REO-Weedwagon: I remember as a kid being taught in school about America's glorious free market system, whilst simultaneously being taught about the dirty Soviets and their corrupt and unfair system of government. Good times, man, good times.

Not sure you thought this post through.


It could be argued that the telecomm deregulation flew in the face if the founding fathers will

When the first amendment established the post office it intimated that the founding fathers understood that it wasn't enough just to give us free speech, but that the government must ensure a means by which that speech could be communicated

I would love to see this argument made one someday
 
2013-02-28 11:02:27 AM

Sim Tree: For us, it was consistency. Comcast would frequently just go out for 1-2 minutes at a time, which made online gaming unworkable, and any video services over IP an inconvenience.


Guess I'm lucky to have a decent connection, mainly because of where I live.
 
2013-02-28 11:04:52 AM
Like others here, I wish to voice my disdain for TWC.  The only reason I use them is because I have no choice.  I look forward to when google puts a bullet through this company's head.
 
2013-02-28 11:05:30 AM
OK, I'll say it.

I have roadrunner from Time Warner and have had very few problems.  When the DVR breaks I don't mess with tech help, I just go to the office with the box, tell them its broken, and they give me a new one.  I hook it up and everything works again.  I haven't tested my speed in a while, but this week I downloaded 7.3 GB in 2.5 hours starting at 5 PM from a torrent.  I pay $110 for internet and cable with 2 movie channels.  Although every 18 months or so autopay stops working and I have to get customer service to reverse any extra charges while everything is sorted out but they always do reverse the charges.
 
2013-02-28 11:19:33 AM
Time Warner is confusing 'no demand' with 'no demand at the monopolistic prices they would want to charge'. The proof is found in the extraordinary steps they took to try and kill off the innovative and highly successful public ISP created by the little town of Wilson, here in NC.
 
2013-02-28 11:20:56 AM

TGWJH: OK, I'll say it.

I have roadrunner from Time Warner and have had very few problems.  When the DVR breaks I don't mess with tech help, I just go to the office with the box, tell them its broken, and they give me a new one.  I hook it up and everything works again.  I haven't tested my speed in a while, but this week I downloaded 7.3 GB in 2.5 hours starting at 5 PM from a torrent.  I pay $110 for internet and cable with 2 movie channels.  Although every 18 months or so autopay stops working and I have to get customer service to reverse any extra charges while everything is sorted out but they always do reverse the charges.


Shame on you.  This is the thread for biatching and moaning only!
 
2013-02-28 11:21:07 AM

Gergesa: Like others here, I wish to voice my disdain for TWC.  The only reason I use them is because I have no choice.  I look forward to when google puts a bullet through this company's head.


I used time warner for years until I finally got so pissed I switched to ATnT DSL cause thats the only other viable option in Austin. ATnT is so bad, Im about to switch back to Time Warner. My internet drops out about every 15 mins for a min or 2 making gaming impossible not to mention I just figured out they are over charging me for their lowest tier service when I told them when I signed up I wanted the middle tier..
 
2013-02-28 11:24:03 AM

likefunbutnot: Not that I'm defending Time Warner's Statement and not that there aren't awesome applications for having a tremendous amount of bandwidth, but it's tough to say that it's something regular people need right now. If anything, I'd be a lot more up in arms over data transfer caps than overall bandwidth.


Agreed.  I've got 18/.75 service.  More speed wouldn't be that big a deal.  The caps are a pain as my wife likes tv off Chinese websites.
 
2013-02-28 11:25:31 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: Shame on you. This is the thread for biatching and moaning only!


Took him two and half hours to download a 7.3GB file... I thought he was biatching and moaning.
 
2013-02-28 11:49:04 AM

Loren: likefunbutnot: Not that I'm defending Time Warner's Statement and not that there aren't awesome applications for having a tremendous amount of bandwidth, but it's tough to say that it's something regular people need right now. If anything, I'd be a lot more up in arms over data transfer caps than overall bandwidth.

Agreed.  I've got 18/.75 service.  More speed wouldn't be that big a deal.  The caps are a pain as my wife likes tv off Chinese websites.


I know in Kansas City, they have started running into an issue where the most internet companies cannot deliver gigabit speeds, anyway.  And I agree that gigabit for most people is unnecessary for a long time.  Most people would be happy with 1/3 of that speed.

The actual point that gets people angry is that we have been told for a long time now that high speed internet has to have a large premium, bandwidth is limited, and all of the major operators have been taking millions in government money to build an infrastructure for years.  Google is basically proving what any reasonable person knew all along, that big telco has been lying for decades and providing reliable, high speed internet at lower cost is possible without pillaging taxpayer money.
 
2013-02-28 11:53:07 AM
Currently paying for TWC Wideband (50/5), which is the fastest product they offer in Queens.  I work with huge files, and time is money, so I'd pay for faster if I could get it, particularly where upload speed is concerned.  Ah, well.
 
2013-02-28 11:55:40 AM
I think what they mean there's no demand for gigabit internet at the 1000% margin prices they would like to charge for it.
 
2013-02-28 12:20:34 PM

styckx: I bet Sprint feels the same way about their awesome break neck 500kbps 3G service..


You get 500kbps on Sprint?  I'm lucky to break 20kbps when I roam outside of WiMax range (which means anywhere besides my house)..
 
2013-02-28 12:28:05 PM
StrangeQ
I think what they mean there's no demand for gigabit internet at the 1000% margin prices they would like to charge for it.


Yeah, they're saying "we noticed there's not a lot of demand for out top-tier services" and hope everybody will just swallow and repeat the given explanation of "people don't want higher speeds" instead of thinking "TWC's products or conditions must suck donkey balls".
 
2013-02-28 12:51:47 PM

DemDave: FTFA: The executive claims that residential customers have thus far shown little interest in TWC's top internet tiers. "A very small fraction of our customer base" ultimately choose those options, she said.

I wonder why someone would want Google fiber when they don't want TWC's top tier service. Let's compare:TWC - 50Mbps for $75/monthGoogle Fiber - Gigabit for $70/monthMuch faster internet for less money? Nah. Consumers won't go for that at all.


50Mbps for $70?

TW charges me $70/mnth for 15Mbps/720Kbps.

I am 100" from a county line and Fios won't sell in my county.
 
2013-02-28 12:52:47 PM

likefunbutnot: Not that I'm defending Time Warner's Statement and not that there aren't awesome applications for having a tremendous amount of bandwidth, but it's tough to say that it's something regular people need right now. If anything, I'd be a lot more up in arms over data transfer caps than overall bandwidth.


Sooner, rather than later, almost all media will be delivered into the home digitally.  When you buy your latest movie via your TV and you want to watch it, you're not going to want to wait even just a few minutes every single time for the HD version.  And that's not to mention that video content is going to put more H in the HD and will require more bandwidth to download/stream.

The future is bandwidth.
 
2013-02-28 12:56:45 PM

mcreadyblue: TW charges me $70/mnth for 15Mbps/720Kbps.


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2013-02-28 12:59:41 PM

IrishFarmer: likefunbutnot: Not that I'm defending Time Warner's Statement and not that there aren't awesome applications for having a tremendous amount of bandwidth, but it's tough to say that it's something regular people need right now. If anything, I'd be a lot more up in arms over data transfer caps than overall bandwidth.

Sooner, rather than later, almost all media will be delivered into the home digitally.  When you buy your latest movie via your TV and you want to watch it, you're not going to want to wait even just a few minutes every single time for the HD version.  And that's not to mention that video content is going to put more H in the HD and will require more bandwidth to download/stream.

The future is bandwidth.


like the other guy said, maybe it's not totally necessary right now... but, it definitely will be necessary soon (within 5-10 years).
 
2013-02-28 01:12:59 PM
Seriously? TW charges $70 a month for 20 mbps?  I get about 30 mbps from Charter, and I pay $30 a month for it.

TW is raping people.
 
2013-02-28 01:44:37 PM

ZeroCorpse: Seriously? TW charges $70 a month for 20 mbps?  I get about 30 mbps from Charter, and I pay $30 a month for it.

TW is raping people.


I wish Charter could push into my town (1 town away). The only games in town are ATT, Comcast and Dish. None can get close to $30 for 30 down. $50 for 12 down is more likely ($40 if you sign up for a year). Farking ripoffs.
 
2013-02-28 01:49:27 PM

mcreadyblue: 50Mbps for $70?


That's what it offered me when I logged in, anyway. But I'm also in the KC metro so maybe they're trying to compete with Google a little here.
 
2013-02-28 01:59:18 PM

Donau: FLMountainMan: untaken_name: fark Time Warner in the goddam ear with a farking rusty chainsaw.

Yeah, fark TimeWarner, but God forbid you hold the politicians who enable them accountable.

REO-Weedwagon: I remember as a kid being taught in school about America's glorious free market system, whilst simultaneously being taught about the dirty Soviets and their corrupt and unfair system of government. Good times, man, good times.

Not sure you thought this post through.

It could be argued that the telecomm deregulation flew in the face if the founding fathers will

When the first amendment established the post office it intimated that the founding fathers understood that it wasn't enough just to give us free speech, but that the government must ensure a means by which that speech could be communicated

I would love to see this argument made one someday


I've made this argument at the dinner table. I think. The founding of the USPS (and before that the Pony Express?) means the availability of information is, or was, viewed as being very important to a democratic society (an educated and informed electorate and all that). As the USPS is winding down, government subsidized internet should be winding up.

But fark all that noise, let's stifle innovation and progress and make a couple of people rich. Brilliant!

/It will trickle down
//Don't you enjoy being trickled upon?
 
2013-02-28 02:00:03 PM
Have I mentioned we're trimming down to only internet in the Toxin house? It feels good, bro. Feels good.
 
2013-02-28 02:02:40 PM

Rwa2play: untaken_name: fark Time Warner in the goddam ear with a farking rusty chainsaw.

You know...Time Warner (or Comcast) give Verizon FiOS a good name.  That's saying something.


Fark verizon.  Piece of shiat service for premium $$$.  With comcast I got every movie channel + TV + internet + 3 seperate DVRs for each room for 170 a month.

Moved not even 10 minutes away where Verizon has a basic monopoly.

TV + internet + "multi-room DVR" (Which means you have one DVR but all rooms can watch, that's awesome right?) = 180
 
2013-02-28 02:07:37 PM

hammer85: Rwa2play: untaken_name: fark Time Warner in the goddam ear with a farking rusty chainsaw.

You know...Time Warner (or Comcast) give Verizon FiOS a good name.  That's saying something.

Fark verizon.  Piece of shiat service for premium $$$.  With comcast I got every movie channel + TV + internet + 3 seperate DVRs for each room for 170 a month.

Moved not even 10 minutes away where Verizon has a basic monopoly.

TV + internet + "multi-room DVR" (Which means you have one DVR but all rooms can watch, that's awesome right?) = 180


Oh and I've lived in this house for 4 months now and I've actually never paid that 180 because I'm still getting charged "installation/delivery fees" even though I picked the shiat up at their store and installed it myself and had to call their customer support because they gave me a broken set top box and had to send me a new one making my monthly bills in the 200+ range instead.
 
2013-02-28 02:12:55 PM
Something mind-boggling is that here in Silicon Valley, we're still being raped by Cumcast. Why oh why does Google not fiber up their own backyard?
 
2013-02-28 02:24:19 PM

IrishFarmer: likefunbutnot: Not that I'm defending Time Warner's Statement and not that there aren't awesome applications for having a tremendous amount of bandwidth, but it's tough to say that it's something regular people need right now. If anything, I'd be a lot more up in arms over data transfer caps than overall bandwidth.

Sooner, rather than later, almost all media will be delivered into the home digitally.  When you buy your latest movie via your TV and you want to watch it, you're not going to want to wait even just a few minutes every single time for the HD version.  And that's not to mention that video content is going to put more H in the HD and will require more bandwidth to download/stream.

The future is bandwidth.


I have 100Mb download speed from Charter (love it), but I agree with LFBN on this one. I don't saturate my connection now, even when actually downloading or streaming HD movies. I really don't. Netflix and Amazon Instant have plenty of room to play with and when I download a PPV from DirecTV the bottleneck isn't on my end, it's theirs.

I don't doubt that the day will come when gigabit internet speeds are useful, but for the vast majority of users that day is a long time in coming. Even 100Mb now is overkill. I'd feel constrained with much less than 25Mb or so, but even my small office with 12Mb is sufficient. I can tell a speed difference when I get home and I download a large file, but Time Warner isn't wrong here. Gigabit just isn't going to be utilized by 99.5% of the users, even in the near future.

Maybe in five or ten years things will change. But I expect that long before then 100Mb like I have now will start to seem small. I don't even know what it's going to take to get to that point- HD video isn't going to do it... it doesn't do it now.

I do remember when the thought of a 128k ISDN connection sounded incredibly fast. A kid born then is at least driving, if not well along in college by now. It took that long to get to where we are now, where two orders of magnitude increase in speed is plenty sufficient (and three is way awesome but overkill). Another order of magnitude to gigabit isn't going to unlock a ton right now or in the near future. It's pie in the sky stuff, not "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" if they aren't on the cusp of offering it.
 
2013-02-28 02:36:03 PM

DemDave: mcreadyblue: 50Mbps for $70?

That's what it offered me when I logged in, anyway. But I'm also in the KC metro so maybe they're trying to compete with Google a little here.


I'm in the south part of KC ... $50 for 6/1. :(

All I got to say is HURRY THE HELL UP GOOGLE
 
2013-02-28 03:33:20 PM

ZeroCorpse: Seriously? TW charges $70 a month for 20 mbps?  I get about 30 mbps from Charter, and I pay $30 a month for it.

TW is raping people.


Sounds about right when I had TW in Charlotte, NC. Now I get 30mbps from charter for $55/mo.

If you think TW is bad, check out Bright House. $90/mo for 20mbps in Volusia County, FL.
 
2013-02-28 04:04:55 PM
No one will ever need more than 640k of RAM
 
2013-02-28 04:16:20 PM

hammer85: Rwa2play: untaken_name: fark Time Warner in the goddam ear with a farking rusty chainsaw.

You know...Time Warner (or Comcast) give Verizon FiOS a good name.  That's saying something.

Fark verizon.  Piece of shiat service for premium $$$.  With comcast I got every movie channel + TV + internet + 3 seperate DVRs for each room for 170 a month.

Moved not even 10 minutes away where Verizon has a basic monopoly.

TV + internet + "multi-room DVR" (Which means you have one DVR but all rooms can watch, that's awesome right?) = 180


Hmmmm, I guess it's a YMMV situation depending on your area.
 
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