hinten: Watch this thread where Farkers will show their own research and opinions proving the above statement wrong.
dr_blasto: Key prohibition on studies is that if it might be used for gun control.
dr_blasto: We'll never know, as we'll never really get to look into it.
Fubini: The problem is when people don't read the whole story and "had intent to use weapon against a real or perceived threat" turns into "used a gun to stop a bad guy".
Witty_Retort: dittybopper: dr_blasto: How many women are shot dead by escalating domestic violence?Not as many as you would think. The homicide rate among women in 2010 was 2.2 per 100,000, and the firearms homicide rate among women that year was 1.11 per 100,000, suggesting that just about 50% of female homicide victims are killed with a firearm.For males, that same year, the total homicide rate was 8.42 per 100,000, and the firearms homicide rate was 6.15 per 100,000, making the percentage of male homicide victims killed with a firearm about 73%.Men are at much higher risk of homicide (4 times higher), and at an even higher risk of firearms homicide (nearly 6 times higher).Across states, more guns = more female violent deathsWe analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and unintentional gun death, homicide and suicide for women across the 50 states over a ten year period. Women in states with many guns have elevated rates of unintentional gun deaths, suicides and homicide, particularly firearm suicides and firearm homicides.Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and unintentional firearm deaths, suicide, and homicide among women. Journal of Urban Health. 2002; 79:26-38Across high income countries more guns = more female homicide deaths.We analyzed the relationship between gun availability and homicides of women with data from 25 high income countries. Across developed nations, where gun are more available, there are more homicides of women. The United States has the most firearms and U.S. women have far more likely to be homicide victims than women in other developed countries.Hemenway, David; Shinoda-Tagawa, Tomoko; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and female homicide victimization rates across 25 populous high-income countries. Journal of the American Medical Women's Association. 2002; 57:100-04. Link
neversubmit: dittybopper: neversubmit: Depression has lead me to suicidal thoughts more than once, should I buy a gun to defend myself?So what stopped you? I'm assuming you had access to a method nearly as fatal as firearms, hanging (75.9% fatal, vs. 80.7% for firearms in 2010. See my post above for the math). Surely you had a rope, or a bed sheet, or an electrical cord that you could have hung yourself with. Wouldn't have taken a significantly greater effort than getting a gun from where it is stored, loading it, and shooting yourself. Tying a couple of knots and stepping off a chair isn't that hard either.Is that a yes or no? And don't call me shirley!
Fail in Human Form: neversubmit: clane: [dancingczars.files.wordpress.com image 209x210]-Gun NutI don't own any guns but I want to be a gun nut, is that doable?Just support the actual reason for the 2nd amendment. Most of this board will fall over themselves to call you a lunatic gun nut. No guns required.
Fubini: About 30% of individuals, about 50% of households own a gun in America.
imontheinternet: [www.realnewsreporter.com image 300x255]You don't need science. The guy with the gun is always right. For instance, this gentleman thinks that you are about to donate your wallet to his favorite charity, Shaky's Meth Emporium. He'll be happy to make the donation for you.
hinten: [boingboing.net image 850x442]Watch this thread where Farkers will show their own research and opinions proving the above statement wrong.
Citrate1007: Lobbyists don't want it at all for obvious reasons and anti-gun folks are usually motivated by emotion. It does speak volumes that the NRA is against any research because they feel that it would always make guns bad, but I honestly think that it would deflect the attention away from the actual guns and place the violence on the environmental/personal correlations. A lot of places have as many guns as us but don't see the violence. That in itself should also speak volumes.
BronyMedic: hinten: Watch this thread where Farkers will show their own research and opinions proving the above statement wrong.Well, yeah. Kind of like Evolution, Climate Change, and Abortion, FARK has a proud tradition of vetting bloggers, political hacks, and TV Talking Heads as experts in the field of scientific research and above reproach.HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THAT, SIR!dr_blasto: Key prohibition on studies is that if it might be used for gun control.The problem is that prohibition pretty much states that any legitimate research on the topic can't be performed, because it might come out contrary to the will of their constituents. Otherwise, I generally agree with your statement.dr_blasto: We'll never know, as we'll never really get to look into it.You hit the nail on the head. We'll never look into it in a hard, scientific manner. Instead, our guiding cues will be given to us by the likes of the NRA and the Brady Foundation, and the myriad of political heads on national Television ready to ridicule anyone who dares to question what they say to the American Public.
BronyMedic: So, the fact of the matter, from RTFA, is that the actual research and standardized classifications for gun violence and crime vary as much as from person to person and study to study used, and are of poor quality. There is no consensus on what justifies such actions as "Defensive Gun Use", the definition of a justified homicide varies wildly from the national and individual state standards,And...the ability to study that by relevant scientific bodies, like the NIH and the CDC, have been quashed by legislation aimed at keeping these institutions from putting out any studies which might be used to support gun control in any form.[www.troll.me image 304x198]You know, this sounds a lot like the same avenue that the National Institute for Drug Abuse/Drug Policy and the Justice Department takes towards research on illegal drugs.
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