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2013-02-28 09:41:35 AM  
Japanese establishments are much more discreet. They simply ban all foreigners.
 
2013-02-28 09:43:31 AM  
How about the French? They HAVE to ban the French.
 
2013-02-28 09:45:57 AM  
That goes for birds.
 
2013-02-28 10:23:11 AM  

show me: How about the French? They HAVE to ban the French.


No joke. I'd rather have dogs running amok in my restaurant than French people.

/just kidding, French people
//no I'm not
 
2013-02-28 11:13:16 AM  
... how can they tell?
 
2013-02-28 11:15:40 AM  

show me: How about the French? They HAVE to ban the French.


And the Irish.
 
2013-02-28 11:16:00 AM  
Nationalists are idiots.
 
2013-02-28 11:17:47 AM  
The Chinese disdain for Japanese is pretty high these days.  A cousin of mine living in China told me during that recent brush-up over the disputed islands between the two countries, anything Japanese just wasn't welcome in his city.  Even cars and motorcycles would get vandalized unless the owner would paste a Chinese flag over the Honda or Toyota emblem.  Crazy.

He also tells stories about what the school teach their kids about Japan - how the brave Chinese beat back Japanese aggression in WW2 (with no mention of the US) and how Japan begged China not to invade and conquer.  Good stuff.
 
2013-02-28 11:18:07 AM  
It certainly helps to solve the issues with negotiations instead of the usual "fark you, I'm taking what I think should be mine" attitude.

Oh wait, it doesn't.
 
2013-02-28 11:19:09 AM  
memeorama.com
Racist dog doesn't have a problem with this.
 
2013-02-28 11:20:35 AM  

Frozboz: The Chinese disdain for Japanese is pretty high these days.  A cousin of mine living in China told me during that recent brush-up over the disputed islands between the two countries, anything Japanese just wasn't welcome in his city.  Even cars and motorcycles would get vandalized unless the owner would paste a Chinese flag over the Honda or Toyota emblem.  Crazy.

He also tells stories about what the school teach their kids about Japan - how the brave Chinese beat back Japanese aggression in WW2 (with no mention of the US) and how Japan begged China not to invade and conquer.  Good stuff.


Did they say the Flying Tigers were really Chinese Tigers sent down by the gods to defeat the imperialistic Japanese?  Cause that would be freaking funny seeing tigers flying P-40s.
 
2013-02-28 11:21:12 AM  
In China dogs come into the restaurant. Through the service entrance in a cage :(
 
2013-02-28 11:21:24 AM  
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2013-02-28 11:21:35 AM  

Yogimus: ... how can they tell?


They are furry, walk on four legs, and usually have tails.
 
2013-02-28 11:22:04 AM  
Ban dog? At least you still can get cat, tiger, horse, snake, and bear from the menu.
 
2013-02-28 11:25:09 AM  

Frozboz: The Chinese disdain for Japanese is pretty high these days.  A cousin of mine living in China told me during that recent brush-up over the disputed islands between the two countries, anything Japanese just wasn't welcome in his city.  Even cars and motorcycles would get vandalized unless the owner would paste a Chinese flag over the Honda or Toyota emblem.  Crazy.

He also tells stories about what the school teach their kids about Japan - how the brave Chinese beat back Japanese aggression in WW2 (with no mention of the US) and how Japan begged China not to invade and conquer.  Good stuff.


Good God! quite the opposite happened, towards the end when the Allies etc were beating the living daylights out of the Axis only the Chinese were actually losing battles and territory to the Japanese. that's how sh*t they were!
 
2013-02-28 11:25:52 AM  
China's belligerence over the South China Sea was the best thing to happen to America's reputation among non-China nations there.

China believes that everything there that is not blatently in other people's territorial waters belongs to China.

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2013-02-28 11:29:15 AM  

hdhale: show me: How about the French? They HAVE to ban the French.

And the Irish.


Approves.

web.mit.edu
 
2013-02-28 11:30:14 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: China's belligerence over the South China Sea was the best thing to happen to America's reputation among non-China nations there.

China believes that everything there that is not blatently in other people's territorial waters belongs to China.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 550x450]


Interesting map.

Having married into a Filipino family, I'm rooting Pinoy land all the way.
 
2013-02-28 11:32:56 AM  

unchellmatt: hdhale: show me: How about the French? They HAVE to ban the French.

And the Irish.

Approves.

[web.mit.edu image 479x342]


Man, how could I have forgotten the Irish. Thanks for reminding me, guys.
 
2013-02-28 11:33:23 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: China's belligerence over the South China Sea was the best thing to happen to America's reputation among non-China nations there.

China believes that everything there that is not blatently in other people's territorial waters belongs to China.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 550x450]


I've always wondered if China thought they were just going to take it all after WW2.  Those countries have been at war (I consider the past 30 years a cooling period) with each other for about as long as the middle east.
 
2013-02-28 11:35:08 AM  
FTA:  In Beijing the restaurant owner, who gave his name only as Wang
www.wearysloth.com
No offense...

/set him up with the whole schmear....
 
2013-02-28 11:38:11 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: China's belligerence over the South China Sea was the best thing to happen to America's reputation among non-China nations there.

China believes that everything there that is not blatently in other people's territorial waters belongs to China.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 550x450]


Do you have it with the standard international 200 mile limit? just want to see how much the lines encroach on the internationa standard.
 
2013-02-28 11:38:12 AM  

Yogimus: ... how can they tell?


I'm glad that we got this out of the way early on.
 
2013-02-28 11:39:42 AM  
img850.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-28 11:41:43 AM  
So..they don't serve dogs there?
 
2013-02-28 11:43:30 AM  
www.mocanyc.orgthereforeiam.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-28 11:45:00 AM  
Meh.  Asians hate asians.  Big deal.  As is reported in the news, there is some crazy levels of nationalism where they riot and destroy Japanese cars and property every few years.

During the time I live in Beijing, people always thought I was everything other than Filipino (guesses were southern Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese).  It helps I speak some Mandarin.  And even if I told them I was of Filipino descent, people have been always exceptionally nice.

Hong Kong is a different story.
 
2013-02-28 11:46:18 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Frozboz: The Chinese disdain for Japanese is pretty high these days.  A cousin of mine living in China told me during that recent brush-up over the disputed islands between the two countries, anything Japanese just wasn't welcome in his city.  Even cars and motorcycles would get vandalized unless the owner would paste a Chinese flag over the Honda or Toyota emblem.  Crazy.

He also tells stories about what the school teach their kids about Japan - how the brave Chinese beat back Japanese aggression in WW2 (with no mention of the US) and how Japan begged China not to invade and conquer.  Good stuff.

Did they say the Flying Tigers were really Chinese Tigers sent down by the gods to defeat the imperialistic Japanese?  Cause that would be freaking funny seeing tigers flying P-40s.


The Flying Tigers are pretty well respected in China -- IIRC there's an annual essay-writing competition there for students to write letters of thanks to Claire Chennault's family.
 
2013-02-28 11:47:28 AM  
Back about 10 years ago, America renamed French fries freedom fries. In some northwestern states you see outright hostility towards Canadians from just across the border in Alberta or Saskatchewan because Canada refused to participate in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Dickheadeness isn't excluse subby.
 
2013-02-28 11:48:17 AM  
How can they tell them apart?
 
2013-02-28 11:50:00 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Back about 10 years ago, America renamed French fries freedom fries. In some northwestern states you see outright hostility towards Canadians from just across the border in Alberta or Saskatchewan because Canada refused to participate in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Dickheadeness isn't excluse subby.


Was burning of cars, rioting, and destruction of businesses part of that hostility? Because if not, we're talking pretty significant difference in level of hostility.
 
2013-02-28 11:52:23 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: China's belligerence over the South China Sea was the best thing to happen to America's reputation among non-China nations there.

China believes that everything there that is not blatently in other people's territorial waters belongs to China.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 550x450]


How convenient that the seas they claim have the 'oil field' legend on it.

Also, I'm rooting for Taiwan, so fark China.
 
2013-02-28 11:52:31 AM  
thousands of posts on Vietnamese social networking sites and newspaper comment threads.

Web users in the Philippines were also reported to be angry, but there was no word of any official reaction.


Oh, shiat.
 
2013-02-28 11:54:41 AM  
NO DOGS ALOUD!
Threw the front door.
 
2013-02-28 11:54:56 AM  

Frozboz: The Chinese disdain for Japanese is pretty high these days.  A cousin of mine living in China told me during that recent brush-up over the disputed islands between the two countries, anything Japanese just wasn't welcome in his city.  Even cars and motorcycles would get vandalized unless the owner would paste a Chinese flag over the Honda or Toyota emblem.  Crazy.

He also tells stories about what the school teach their kids about Japan - how the brave Chinese beat back Japanese aggression in WW2 (with no mention of the US) and how Japan begged China not to invade and conquer.  Good stuff.


Honestly this wouldn't surprise me.  I'm not sure what their story for Hiroshima and Nagasaki is but I wager it reads something like "The Japanese imperialists dogs were fighting so hard against our brave soldiers the Americans were able to slip through and hit them with atomic bombs just as secretly planned."

Something like that anyway.
 
2013-02-28 11:56:29 AM  

Yogimus: ... how can they tell?


You know what makes this funny...  Here in NJ, almost every person working in every sushi restaurant in the state is, in fact, Chinese.  And no one knows the difference, or apparently cares.
 
2013-02-28 11:56:32 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: indarwinsshadow: Back about 10 years ago, America renamed French fries freedom fries. In some northwestern states you see outright hostility towards Canadians from just across the border in Alberta or Saskatchewan because Canada refused to participate in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Dickheadeness isn't excluse subby.

Was burning of cars, rioting, and destruction of businesses part of that hostility? Because if not, we're talking pretty significant difference in level of hostility.


General case of douchebaggery, one might say.
 
2013-02-28 11:59:11 AM  
So, they banned everyone that are dogs in China's view/? Wait, then the Han solely are allowed in.
 
2013-02-28 12:03:01 PM  

Fano: So, they banned everyone that are dogs in China's view/? Wait, then the Han solely are allowed in.


And the Mongols.
 
2013-02-28 12:05:54 PM  
If they ban dogs, then the restaurant automatically becomes vegetarian.
 
2013-02-28 12:09:00 PM  
Let me be sure I get this straight: did they ban them from the restaurant or the menu?

Ha! ha! China har-de-har-pwned!

OK, so it's a wee bit racist. But I am an equal-opportunity racist. They're all six of one and half a dozen of the other regardless of race or nationality. You can make the same jokes about almost any race. If this was a Japanese, Korean or Chinese-Canadian-Pizza joint, the joke would be the same.

After World War II there were signs in my native Province of New Brunswick which said:   No Englishmen need apply. I wouldn't be surprised if the odd sign turns up that says:  No Canadians. And everybody LOVES Canadians, right? eh? Ha. I'm not half so naff.

These signs may have been the Irish tit-for-tat retort to the earlier signs that said:  No Irish need apply, or maybe they were just the product of intolerance of immigration. Chances many of the people who put them up were of English descent themselves.

Mind you, the quality of the immigrants may have been low since they were motivated by desperation rather than a desire to become productive Canadians.

Canadian authorities have always been really annoyed by the tendency of the Mother Country to pack up their trouble cases and ship them to the colonies. It's been this way since the days of my pioneer French Canadian ancestors, and then my pioneer English, American, and various other ancestors. They preferred people with farming experience, and so favoured Scandinavians and other hardy (white, Protestant) Europeans to the unemployables of their own races (English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish).

Of course, over time the quality and quantity of immigrants varies and so do the prejudices. Now that farmers are not in great demand, the very immigrants that were most desirable over a century ago might be unwelcome.  There are a number of European farmers in my native County--people who could not afford a farm or could not handle the regulations and government control in their native countries.

You can't blame the Netherlands, for example for heavily regulating cattle ranching--the country is below sea level and the soil is basically cow manure and urine with a coating of dust. Farmers have to deal with very strict regulations which increase their costs and responsibilities.

The "over-regulation" makes a lot of economic and ecological sense, but fleeing to Canada or the USA also makes sense, and besides, you can buy a better farm for $500,000 to $2,000,000 than you could get in Europe for many times the cost, if you can buy any land at all. Land is closely held by European peasants, many of whom make a scanty living off two or three acres--often less land than our farmers have as lawns around their houses.

The Netherlands are up to their knees in shiat and can't afford to make any more. Canada is still new and big and shiney, with a lot more rocks and trees than cow shiat, not to mention being a third tundra and ice floes.

Welcome careful farmers! Well, mostly welcome. Most people, most of the time are not chauvinists beyond the dull background level of "patriotism".
 
2013-02-28 12:10:09 PM  
To be fair, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Filipinos are all high in Mercury because of all the seafood they eat, and no one eats dogs anymore.
 
2013-02-28 12:11:00 PM  
Not being able to eat Chinese is not a punishment.
 
2013-02-28 12:12:34 PM  

Frozboz: The Chinese disdain for Japanese is pretty high these days.  A cousin of mine living in China told me during that recent brush-up over the disputed islands between the two countries, anything Japanese just wasn't welcome in his city.  Even cars and motorcycles would get vandalized unless the owner would paste a Chinese flag over the Honda or Toyota emblem.  Crazy.


yet people don't believe me when I tell them that the Chinese I've met have much more in common with Americans than the British do (I live in the UK, hence the British comparison)
 
2013-02-28 12:14:04 PM  
shiat, this reminds me - my wife wants me to go out on my lunch break to pick her up some Chinese food.   The tie-in being this particular Chinese place is in the same plaza area as the local "Family Planning" facility.
 
2013-02-28 12:16:31 PM  
Ignorant racists exist even in China.  Film at 11.
 
2013-02-28 12:18:16 PM  

bedtundy: Cubicle Jockey: China's belligerence over the South China Sea was the best thing to happen to America's reputation among non-China nations there.

China believes that everything there that is not blatently in other people's territorial waters belongs to China.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 550x450]

I've always wondered if China thought they were just going to take it all after WW2.  Those countries have been at war (I consider the past 30 years a cooling period) with each other for about as long as the middle east.


After Japan surrendered, the Chinese resumed their civil war that had been so rudely interrupted in 1936.
 
2013-02-28 12:18:44 PM  

doglover: Japanese establishments are much more discreet. They simply ban all foreigners.


No, they just make foreigners carry ID cards which they must carry at all time or be subject to arrest--even if the "foreigners" were born in Japan, speak Japanese, have Japanese names, and look Japanese.
 
2013-02-28 12:20:50 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: indarwinsshadow: Back about 10 years ago, America renamed French fries freedom fries. In some northwestern states you see outright hostility towards Canadians from just across the border in Alberta or Saskatchewan because Canada refused to participate in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Dickheadeness isn't excluse subby.

Was burning of cars, rioting, and destruction of businesses part of that hostility? Because if not, we're talking pretty significant difference in level of hostility.


No, no it wasn't. Your country and my country doesn't do that kind of crazy sh*t...unless a Stanley Cup is involved.
 
2013-02-28 12:36:11 PM  

Fano: So, they banned everyone that are dogs in China's view/? Wait, then the Han solely are allowed in.


I see what you did there
 
2013-02-28 12:37:32 PM  
so what do you called a chinese person who is anti japanese and korean but are cool with whites, blacks and latinos?
 
2013-02-28 12:42:20 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: so what do you called a chinese person who is anti japanese and korean but are cool with whites, blacks and latinos?


Al Leong?
 
2013-02-28 12:47:12 PM  

Gergesa: Frozboz: The Chinese disdain for Japanese is pretty high these days.  A cousin of mine living in China told me during that recent brush-up over the disputed islands between the two countries, anything Japanese just wasn't welcome in his city.  Even cars and motorcycles would get vandalized unless the owner would paste a Chinese flag over the Honda or Toyota emblem.  Crazy.

He also tells stories about what the school teach their kids about Japan - how the brave Chinese beat back Japanese aggression in WW2 (with no mention of the US) and how Japan begged China not to invade and conquer.  Good stuff.

Honestly this wouldn't surprise me.  I'm not sure what their story for Hiroshima and Nagasaki is but I wager it reads something like "The Japanese imperialists dogs were fighting so hard against our brave soldiers the Americans were able to slip through and hit them with atomic bombs just as secretly planned."

Something like that anyway.


My dad and I were just talking about Southeast Asia the other day (I have no idea why). Apparently, in Korean textbooks, the two bombs the US dropped on Japan are labeled "a good start".

// Koreans hate the Japanese, is what I gather
 
2013-02-28 12:56:49 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Back about 10 years ago, America renamed French fries freedom fries. In some northwestern states you see outright hostility towards Canadians from just across the border in Alberta or Saskatchewan because Canada refused to participate in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Dickheadeness isn't excluse subby.


We went on a bus tour to Reno shortly after that happened. The bus driver was telling us that twice a week, he used to stop off at one particular restaurant in a little shiat-hole down and dump his load of 50-60 passengers there for lunch. Other bus drivers he knew used to do the same. After "Freedom Fries" appeared on the menu, the owner of that restaurant told the bus driver that Canadians were no longer welcome there. The stupid burned so much that it hurt.
 
2013-02-28 12:57:32 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // Koreans hate the Japanese, is what I gather


OOOOOh yeah...
 
2013-02-28 12:58:04 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Gergesa: Frozboz: The Chinese disdain for Japanese is pretty high these days.  A cousin of mine living in China told me during that recent brush-up over the disputed islands between the two countries, anything Japanese just wasn't welcome in his city.  Even cars and motorcycles would get vandalized unless the owner would paste a Chinese flag over the Honda or Toyota emblem.  Crazy.

He also tells stories about what the school teach their kids about Japan - how the brave Chinese beat back Japanese aggression in WW2 (with no mention of the US) and how Japan begged China not to invade and conquer.  Good stuff.

Honestly this wouldn't surprise me.  I'm not sure what their story for Hiroshima and Nagasaki is but I wager it reads something like "The Japanese imperialists dogs were fighting so hard against our brave soldiers the Americans were able to slip through and hit them with atomic bombs just as secretly planned."

Something like that anyway.

My dad and I were just talking about Southeast Asia the other day (I have no idea why). Apparently, in Korean textbooks, the two bombs the US dropped on Japan are labeled "a good start".

// Koreans hate the Japanese, is what I gather


Most Westerners don't realized that the brutality, rape, torture and mass murders committed by the Imperial Japanese Army on the entire Asian continent durring WW II made the Holocaust looked like a walk in the park.

Not surprisingly Hollywood are also more partial to making movies that focuses more on the atrocities of the German on the European/Jewish side of the conflict than it does the Asian/Pacific campaign done by the Japanese.
 
2013-02-28 12:58:28 PM  
This doesn't make sense. Everyone knows that only white men can be racist.

/oh noes, what about the menz!
 
2013-02-28 01:03:27 PM  
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2013-02-28 01:06:41 PM  
This is so sad. So, if I were a regular ol' dude in Tokyo, who liked to travel all the way to one specific crappy little lunch joint in Beijing, CHINA for lunch, I wouldn't be able to do that?

This is OUTRAGE!
 
2013-02-28 01:09:42 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // Koreans hate the Japanese, is what I gather


I've read the talk pages on wikipedia discussing asian territorial disputes and it has been my observation that koreans and japanese appear to be in something of a love hate relationship. They do a fair amount of commerce with each other and develop strong friendships on that level but waiting like a storm in the distance are territorial/historical disputes that boil over and result in vicious hate fests where xenophobia(from both sides) comes out in full force.

/koreans aren't so fond of the chinese either.
 
2013-02-28 01:12:29 PM  
Rednecks in the South could take notes on the kind of blatant racism encountered in Asia.
 
2013-02-28 01:13:32 PM  
Dear China: May you live in interesting times.
 
2013-02-28 01:16:38 PM  

stuffy: NO DOGS ALOUD!
Threw the front door.


Must not have been a very heavy door.
 
2013-02-28 01:17:13 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Not surprisingly Hollywood are also more partial to making movies that focuses more on the atrocities of the German on the European/Jewish side of the conflict than it does the Asian/Pacific campaign done by the Japanese.


Asian cinema tends to focus more on the Pacific side of the conflict (The Pacific and Band of Brothers notwithstanding - both were HUGE, and thanks to Tom Hanks' WWI-boner, more Americans will learn). I'll pause while the class brainstorms possible reasons why.

// the Japanese Imperial Army were Supreme Dicks, but at least they and zee Germans offered apology after apology
// and in the last 60 years, both have done bang-up jobs of making nice with the rest of the world
// while China has been...less than warm and friendly (ditto Best Korea)
// watching one of those two series (I forget which), my roommates and I now call a situation where you royally fark up a much stronger opponent "getting Dick Winterized"
 
2013-02-28 01:17:44 PM  

miniflea: bedtundy: Cubicle Jockey: China's belligerence over the South China Sea was the best thing to happen to America's reputation among non-China nations there.

China believes that everything there that is not blatently in other people's territorial waters belongs to China.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 550x450]

I've always wondered if China thought they were just going to take it all after WW2.  Those countries have been at war (I consider the past 30 years a cooling period) with each other for about as long as the middle east.

After Japan surrendered, the Chinese resumed their civil war that had been so rudely interrupted in 1936.


True, I had forgotten about the continuation of their civil war form 1940-1949.  Fighting really picked up after the Japanese surrender, as you said.  I was meaning more after Mao got into to power.  It seemed at that time there was Russia pushing westward while China seemed to want to push towards the south and east.  More so through proxy wars on their part (North Korea/Vietnam).  I always thought they were going for a larger unification than what they ended up with.
 
2013-02-28 01:20:30 PM  

Dr Dreidel: thanks to Tom Hanks' WWII-boner


Obvious, but important.
 
mjg
2013-02-28 01:22:18 PM  
media.screened.com

Pffft. Old news.
 
2013-02-28 01:23:23 PM  
This thread sucks.

If anything, it should have already degenerated into a posting war of hot Chinese, Vietnamese and Japanese women and dogs for comparison.
 
2013-02-28 01:27:38 PM  
Zenith:

 [T]owards the end when the Allies etc were beating the living daylights out of the Axis only the Chinese were actually losing battles and territory to the Japanese.

The Maoists and the KMT were too busy fighting each other and fighting among themselves, especially the KMT (which was also so corrupt the higher officers would sell their ammunition to the Maoists and send their own men off to face the Japanese damn near empty-handed). There were also a few large factions that were pro-Japanese or at least preferred to "go along to get along." And if my knowledge of human nature if correct most Chinese, like most people everywhere, just kept their heads down and hoped the guys with guns wouldn't notice them.

Not even during the Cultural Revolution was China a cohesive society, not even at the top levels. Aside from the majority thinking of themselves as Han Chinese, favoring rice over wheat and writing with the same characters there's really no such thing as "the Chinese people." China always has been more like an empire than a nation-state, and without armed force from Beijing "China" would fragment into a dozen or so Warring States almost right away.
 
2013-02-28 01:37:09 PM  
If i remember correctly, dog are often reference to round-eye people, gwello. So may be they just equal opportunity haters.
 
2013-02-28 01:38:42 PM  
The dogs can still come in through the back door.
 
2013-02-28 01:39:26 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Zenith:

 [T]owards the end when the Allies etc were beating the living daylights out of the Axis only the Chinese were actually losing battles and territory to the Japanese.

The Maoists and the KMT were too busy fighting each other and fighting among themselves, especially the KMT (which was also so corrupt the higher officers would sell their ammunition to the Maoists and send their own men off to face the Japanese damn near empty-handed). There were also a few large factions that were pro-Japanese or at least preferred to "go along to get along." And if my knowledge of human nature if correct most Chinese, like most people everywhere, just kept their heads down and hoped the guys with guns wouldn't notice them.

Not even during the Cultural Revolution was China a cohesive society, not even at the top levels. Aside from the majority thinking of themselves as Han Chinese, favoring rice over wheat and writing with the same characters there's really no such thing as "the Chinese people." China always has been more like an empire than a nation-state, and without armed force from Beijing "China" would fragment into a dozen or so Warring States almost right away.


Stillwell in China

http://www.amazon.com/Stilwell-American-Experience-China-1911-45/dp/ 08 02138527
 
2013-02-28 01:43:10 PM  

you_idiot: This thread sucks.

If anything, it should have already degenerated into a posting war of hot Chinese, Vietnamese and Japanese women and dogs for comparison.


OK, a hot chinese

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A hot vietnamese

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And a hot korean

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enjoy.
 
2013-02-28 01:44:15 PM  

you_idiot: This thread sucks.

If anything, it should have already degenerated into a posting war of hot Chinese, Vietnamese and Japanese women and dogs for comparison.


Oh you said women....silly me...
 
2013-02-28 01:49:38 PM  

Yogimus: ... how can they tell?


Fifth post. Fark I am disappoint
 
2013-02-28 01:52:47 PM  
He's just banning Dog? Is this same dog that Liam Neeson threatened?
 
2013-02-28 01:54:24 PM  
They had to ban them because they just kept ordering long pig.
 
2013-02-28 01:55:39 PM  

dabbletech: The dogs can still come in through the back door.


I think I've seen that movie...
 
2013-02-28 01:56:57 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: shiat, this reminds me - my wife wants me to go out on my lunch break to pick her up some Chinese food.   The tie-in being this particular Chinese place is in the same plaza area as the local "Family Planning" facility.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-28 02:04:24 PM  
Half Jap. half Flip.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-28 02:10:19 PM  
It's twice as bad if the filipino or Vietnamese customer just had dog beforehand.
 
2013-02-28 02:11:06 PM  

DittoToo: Half Jap. half Flip.
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 579x578]


Drool
 
2013-02-28 02:21:43 PM  
Instead of banning them, why don't they just play a joke on them?
 
2013-02-28 02:27:42 PM  

hdhale: show me: How about the French? They HAVE to ban the French.

And the Irish.


what about the ni@@ers?
 
2013-02-28 02:37:24 PM  

Gergesa: you_idiot: This thread sucks.

If anything, it should have already degenerated into a posting war of hot Chinese, Vietnamese and Japanese women and dogs for comparison.

OK, a hot chinese

[img27.imageshack.us image 640x577]

A hot vietnamese

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x374]

And a hot korean

[data.whicdn.com image 400x559]

enjoy.


I can't Jap to this.
 
2013-02-28 02:49:20 PM  

Gergesa: you_idiot: This thread sucks.

If anything, it should have already degenerated into a posting war of hot Chinese, Vietnamese and Japanese women and dogs for comparison.

OK, a hot chinese

[img27.imageshack.us image 640x577]

A hot vietnamese

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x374]

And a hot korean

[data.whicdn.com image 400x559]

enjoy.


BRING THE VIETNAMESE BOY TO MY BED!
 
2013-02-28 02:56:39 PM  

Gergesa: you_idiot: This thread sucks.

If anything, it should have already degenerated into a posting war of hot Chinese, Vietnamese and Japanese women and dogs for comparison.

Oh you said women....silly me...


Looking for hot chinese dog got me this:
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-28 03:01:16 PM  

DittoToo: Half Jap. half Flip.
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 579x578]


So...it's on a diagonal?
 
2013-02-28 03:03:24 PM  

durbnpoisn: Yogimus: ... how can they tell?

You know what makes this funny...  Here in NJ, almost every person working in every sushi restaurant in the state is, in fact, Chinese.  And no one knows the difference, or apparently cares.


in LA we order our chenese, sushi, korean BBQ or tai food the same in spanish. it's all good pedro
 
2013-02-28 03:19:33 PM  

Gergesa: you_idiot: This thread sucks.

If anything, it should have already degenerated into a posting war of hot Chinese, Vietnamese and Japanese women and dogs for comparison.

OK, a hot chinese

[img27.imageshack.us image 640x577]

A hot vietnamese

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x374]

And a hot korean

[data.whicdn.com image 400x559]

enjoy.


hmmm I think he was hoping for the other Asian gender..
 
2013-02-28 03:21:07 PM  
"No spiders and Visigoths allowed"

/obscure?
 
2013-02-28 03:29:21 PM  
They do serve dogs, just not as clients. The pork is dog. The beef is horse, the chicken is pigeon or possibly cat.
 
2013-02-28 03:32:09 PM  

durbnpoisn: Yogimus: ... how can they tell?

You know what makes this funny...  Here in NJ, almost every person working in every sushi restaurant in the state is, in fact, Chinese.  And no one knows the difference, or apparently cares.


In Vegas, they're mostly Korean. At least at the sushi places in Chinatown.
 
2013-02-28 03:41:54 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: shiat, this reminds me - my wife wants me to go out on my lunch break to pick her up some Chinese food.   The tie-in being this particular Chinese place is in the same plaza area as the local "Family Planning" facility.


There's nothing like locally sourced ingredients.

i3.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-28 04:09:29 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Dr Dreidel: My dad and I were just talking about Southeast Asia the other day (I have no idea why). Apparently, in Korean textbooks, the two bombs the US dropped on Japan are labeled "a good start".

// Koreans hate the Japanese, is what I gather

Most Westerners don't realized that the brutality, rape, torture and mass murders committed by the Imperial Japanese Army on the entire Asian continent durring WW II made the Holocaust looked like a walk in the park.

Not surprisingly Hollywood are also more partial to making movies that focuses more on the atrocities of the German on the European/Jewish side of the conflict than it does the Asian/Pacific campaign done by the Japanese.



A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today.  It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.
 
2013-02-28 04:18:48 PM  

ciberido: SuperNinjaToad: Dr Dreidel: My dad and I were just talking about Southeast Asia the other day (I have no idea why). Apparently, in Korean textbooks, the two bombs the US dropped on Japan are labeled "a good start".

// Koreans hate the Japanese, is what I gather

Most Westerners don't realized that the brutality, rape, torture and mass murders committed by the Imperial Japanese Army on the entire Asian continent durring WW II made the Holocaust looked like a walk in the park.

Not surprisingly Hollywood are also more partial to making movies that focuses more on the atrocities of the German on the European/Jewish side of the conflict than it does the Asian/Pacific campaign done by the Japanese.


A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today.  It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.


That's a bingo.

Also, "we were invited, and their women happily provided comfort to our visitors on tour."
 
2013-02-28 04:22:03 PM  

Arkanaut: Fano: So, they banned everyone that are dogs in China's view/? Wait, then the Han solely are allowed in.

I see what you did there


;)
 
2013-02-28 04:24:57 PM  
rape of Nanking
bataan death march
Mindanao
kalagong massacre
laha massacre
manilla massacre

sooo many others
and then politicians pay homage to the 'honorable' officers who made it all happen.
Absolutely disgusting
 
2013-02-28 04:26:11 PM  
There are many businesses in Japan that ban anyone who isn't Japanese. This is usually seen at bars and nightclubs where Japanese women are made available for customers, and owners don't want these women to be contaminated by gaijin.
 
2013-02-28 04:38:05 PM  
Han shot first.
 
2013-02-28 05:07:22 PM  
What's wrong with banning dogs?  Geez, who wants to see an ugly woman while you're their eating.
 
2013-02-28 06:10:40 PM  
Example of what a Vietnamese girl might look like:

www.ninjamonkey.us
 
2013-02-28 06:40:09 PM  

cbathrob: doglover: Japanese establishments are much more discreet. They simply ban all foreigners.

No, they just make foreigners carry ID cards which they must carry at all time or be subject to arrest--even if the "foreigners" were born in Japan, speak Japanese, have Japanese names, and look Japanese.


Er. No. Only "foreigners" born outside of Japan have to carry ID cards and be subject to detention if they aren't carrying them. Which is exactly as it is in countries like the United States, by the way.

The "foreigners" you are referring to are basically called special permanent residents, and they aren't subject toany of the restrictions that actual foreigners are subject to, except for the ones involving voting.

If you'd like to make a comment about how being born in a country doesn't automatically convey citizenship, you should probably go looking at  the other 80% of the world that does exactly the same thing.

There aren't nothing racist about foreigners having to carry ID showing their visa status.
 
2013-02-28 06:42:28 PM  

ciberido: SuperNinjaToad: Dr Dreidel: My dad and I were just talking about Southeast Asia the other day (I have no idea why). Apparently, in Korean textbooks, the two bombs the US dropped on Japan are labeled "a good start".

// Koreans hate the Japanese, is what I gather

Most Westerners don't realized that the brutality, rape, torture and mass murders committed by the Imperial Japanese Army on the entire Asian continent durring WW II made the Holocaust looked like a walk in the park.

A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today.  It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.


Except for the fact that Japan in fact has apologized multiple times and paid billions in repairs and aid post-war. The problem is, that no apology will ever be enough. For Korea and China, hatred toward Japan is a political tool used to foster nationalism and patriotisms, and conveniently divert away the attention of the public from themselves to Japan. It is not in their interest to have a 100% good relationship with Japan at this point.

I have lived in all three countries, and what I have learned is that all three are very much alike in their confucianist, face-saving ways. Korean and Chinese history books are even worse than the Japanese. Most Koreans have no clue that the most ruthless torturers in the Japanese Imperial Army were the Koreans, and neither to they know of the atrocities carried out by Korean troops in the Vietnam war, let alone that they know or will every acknowledge every horrible thing they did amongst themselves in the North-South war. Same with China of course, where it is still is not done to speak bad of Mao and things like the cultural revolution are ignored. Of the three, Japan is doing the best job of learning from its past.
 
2013-02-28 06:48:26 PM  

ciberido: A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today. It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.


Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that their government claims Japan hasn't apologized or recognized the atrocities. A simple google proves that wrong, but most people don't want to actually check that their beliefs are true, they want support that they are true. That's why this restaurant guy is doing what he's doing.

 -Japanese investments, loans, and technological exchanges helped build modern South Korea and China. Billions of dollars were given to both countries without any expectation of being paid back, essentially as a form of war reparations. (Of course, this was while the US was pumping money into Japan.)

-The Japanese government's websites specifically say, "We were awful, and we're really, really sorry about it".
-They've apologized officially at least 7 times in public.

This ain't about Japan being dicks. They know they were. It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.
 
2013-02-28 06:49:26 PM  
Refresh is my friend.
 
2013-02-28 06:54:58 PM  
another example of what a vietnamese girl may look like

p.twimg.com m1.i.pbase.com

NSFW
NSFW
NSFW
NSFW
 
2013-02-28 06:57:28 PM  

bakarocket: ciberido: A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today. It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.

Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that their government claims Japan hasn't apologized or recognized the atrocities. A simple google proves that wrong, but most people don't want to actually check that their beliefs are true, they want support that they are true. That's why this restaurant guy is doing what he's doing.

 -Japanese investments, loans, and technological exchanges helped build modern South Korea and China. Billions of dollars were given to both countries without any expectation of being paid back, essentially as a form of war reparations. (Of course, this was while the US was pumping money into Japan.)

-The Japanese government's websites specifically say, "We were awful, and we're really, really sorry about it".
-They've apologized officially at least 7 times in public.


Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that high ranking Japanese officials continue to honor war criminals.  A simple Google proves you wrong.
 
2013-02-28 07:12:41 PM  

ciberido: bakarocket: ciberido: A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today. It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.

Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that their government claims Japan hasn't apologized or recognized the atrocities. A simple google proves that wrong, but most people don't want to actually check that their beliefs are true, they want support that they are true. That's why this restaurant guy is doing what he's doing.

 -Japanese investments, loans, and technological exchanges helped build modern South Korea and China. Billions of dollars were given to both countries without any expectation of being paid back, essentially as a form of war reparations. (Of course, this was while the US was pumping money into Japan.)

-The Japanese government's websites specifically say, "We were awful, and we're really, really sorry about it".
-They've apologized officially at least 7 times in public.

Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that high ranking Japanese officials continue to honor war criminals.  A simple Google proves you wrong.


To know whether they were there to honour war criminals, you'd have to be able to read minds. Yasukuni Shrine is a shrine to the spirits of every Japanese person who died. This means, you realize, that their fathers, uncles and brothers are all there as well?

You're basically suggesting that a German politician shouldn't be able to visit the cemetary where his grandfather is buried just because Goering happens to have a plot three rows over.
 
2013-02-28 07:13:32 PM  
*died during the war, that should read.
 
2013-02-28 07:52:58 PM  
Undeniable facts and irrefutable logic FTW.
 
2013-02-28 10:02:47 PM  

bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.


Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.
 
2013-02-28 10:17:38 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.


No. It would be like staying angry at the grandchildren of the man who raped your cousin, so yeah, exactly the same. Except completely stupid.

And no one is asking them to forget about it. They're asking them to forgive. And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese, I'd say they should shine all the black off their own kettle before they go calling Japan black.
 
2013-02-28 11:14:39 PM  

UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.

Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.


eh, give it another generation I guess...

could be wrong though...
 
2013-02-28 11:36:25 PM  

UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.

Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.


Of course they can continue to be angry and refuse to forgive. But to insist that no one in Japan recognizes the atrocities that were done, and that no one has apologized, is just wrong.

Granted, certain frothing-at-the-mouth right wing assholes on the net don't help matters, but it seems all three countries have those.  There are definitely right-winger apologist politicians also, but they're controversial for it, discussion happens, and again, there exist Holocaust deniers too but no one insists all Germans are that way.
 
2013-02-28 11:50:12 PM  

itazurakko: UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.

Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

Of course they can continue to be angry and refuse to forgive. But to insist that no one in Japan recognizes the atrocities that were done, and that no one has apologized, is just wrong.

Granted, certain frothing-at-the-mouth right wing assholes on the net don't help matters, but it seems all three countries have those.  There are definitely right-winger apologist politicians also, but they're controversial for it, discussion happens, and again, there exist Holocaust deniers too but no one insists all Germans are that way.


Of course not! Don't be silly! Germans aren't a single hive mind like the Japanese!
 
2013-03-01 01:19:52 AM  
What the Fark?

Is this in Engrish?

/oh wait
//gots my glasses on backward
///squints
////ahh, so
 
2013-03-01 02:34:01 AM  

Gergesa: Frozboz: The Chinese disdain for Japanese is pretty high these days.  A cousin of mine living in China told me during that recent brush-up over the disputed islands between the two countries, anything Japanese just wasn't welcome in his city.  Even cars and motorcycles would get vandalized unless the owner would paste a Chinese flag over the Honda or Toyota emblem.  Crazy.

He also tells stories about what the school teach their kids about Japan - how the brave Chinese beat back Japanese aggression in WW2 (with no mention of the US) and how Japan begged China not to invade and conquer.  Good stuff.

Honestly this wouldn't surprise me.  I'm not sure what their story for Hiroshima and Nagasaki is but I wager it reads something like "The Japanese imperialists dogs were fighting so hard against our brave soldiers the Americans were able to slip through and hit them with atomic bombs just as secretly planned."

Something like that anyway.


Counterpoint - Japanese history books teach that WW2 was "the war of American aggression" and they did nothing wrong. Next time we take a country over and write it a constitution we should add a clause where their history books have to be accurate.
 
2013-03-01 02:57:51 AM  

bakarocket: ciberido: A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today. It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.

Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that their government claims Japan hasn't apologized or recognized the atrocities. A simple google proves that wrong, but most people don't want to actually check that their beliefs are true, they want support that they are true. That's why this restaurant guy is doing what he's doing.

 -Japanese investments, loans, and technological exchanges helped build modern South Korea and China. Billions of dollars were given to both countries without any expectation of being paid back, essentially as a form of war reparations. (Of course, this was while the US was pumping money into Japan.)

-The Japanese government's websites specifically say, "We were awful, and we're really, really sorry about it".
-They've apologized officially at least 7 times in public.

This ain't about Japan being dicks. They know they were. It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.


It doesn't really matter if they half-assed apologized for WW2 if they are still teaching their children in school that it was "the war of US aggression" and they didn't do anything wrong.
 
2013-03-01 03:12:44 AM  

bakarocket: UnspokenVoice: Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

No. It would be like staying angry at the grandchildren of the man who raped your cousin, so yeah, exactly the same. Except completely stupid.

And no one is asking them to forget about it. They're asking them to forgive. And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese, I'd say they should shine all the black off their own kettle before they go calling Japan black.


Citation needed.
 
2013-03-01 04:12:57 AM  

bakarocket: UnspokenVoice: Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

No. It would be like staying angry at the grandchildren of the man who raped your cousin, so yeah, exactly the same. Except completely stupid.

And no one is asking them to forget about it. They're asking them to forgive. And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese, I'd say they should shine all the black off their own kettle before they go calling Japan black.


Long memories and politicized education go a long ways.

Breygon: UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.

Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

eh, give it another generation I guess...

could be wrong though...


Yeah, methinks the education needs changing too from what I've read. I read the other reply and it's cute that they point at the victims and say that they did it too.
 
2013-03-01 05:46:24 AM  

Medic Zero:
Counterpoint - Japanese history books teach that WW2 was "the war of American aggression" and they did nothing wrong.

No they don't. Citation: I live here and have read actual textbooks. Don't believe everything you read on killalljaps.com .


Medic Zero: And no one is asking them to forget about it. They're asking them to forgive. And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese, I'd say they should shine all the black off their own kettle before they go calling Japan black.Citation needed.


It's basically irrelevant to my point, but sure. I'll give you four instances when atrocities were committed.

1) Chinese Civil War in the early 20th century.(By Chinese against Chinese - the two sides would attack each other and blame the attacks on the Japanese. Or the Japanese would attack a city and the commies would blame the other guys to recruit more soldiers. Rape, pillaging, all that fun. )
2) Chinese Cultural Revolution in the late 20th Century.(By Chinese against Chinese - seriously...you don't know this one?)
3) Korean War (By Koreans against Koreans, including comfort women, massacres, etc. )
4) Vietnam War (by Korean soldiers against Vietnamese, including comfort women, massacres, etc.  )

These are all well documented. If you can't find the evidence yourself, you're either reading propaganda, or you've lost your internet connection.

Now, I'm most decidedly not excusing what the Japanese did. I'm simply asking for people to stop spreading lies about how the Japanese actually think about the war now, and for people to stop visiting the sins of grandfathers upon contemporary Japanese people.
 
2013-03-01 05:51:21 AM  

UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: UnspokenVoice: Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

No. It would be like staying angry at the grandchildren of the man who raped your cousin, so yeah, exactly the same. Except completely stupid.

And no one is asking them to forget about it. They're asking them to forgive. And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese, I'd say they should shine all the black off their own kettle before they go calling Japan black.

Long memories and politicized education go a long ways.

Breygon: UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.

Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

eh, give it another generation I guess...

could be wrong though...

Yeah, methinks the education needs changing too from what I've read. I read the other reply and it's cute that they point at the victims and say that they did it too.


I'm not pointing at the victims and saying, "They did it too." I'm saying that humans are evil motherfarkers - all of them - and while expects forgiveness for their own sins, no one is willing to forgive anyone else.

I'm saying that the victims of Japanese conquest, the victims of the massacres and forced marches, and the civilians who suffered horrendous treatment, are all really good at remembering how bad the Japanese were and using it to for political leverage, but they always conveniently forget that they did exactly the same things to their own people.

Consistency is the key here. If one nation demonizes another nation for doing something the first nation is also guilty of, doesn't that seem in the least bit odd to you?

Honestly. You people just want a reason to hate other people, don't you?
 
2013-03-01 05:51:56 AM  
* and while everyone expects*
 
2013-03-01 05:55:10 AM  
No dogs? So it's a vegetarian place?
 
2013-03-01 06:27:49 AM  
Medic Zero - "- Japanese history books teach that WW2 was "the war of American aggression" and they did nothing wrong."

bakarocket: No they don't. Citation: I live here and have read actual textbooks. Don't believe everything you read on killalljaps.com .


I don't recognize the website you quote, but I'm sure I haven't been there (I think I'd remember that). I'm not going to go to that site either, I suspect you were trying to be cute and it is some sort of hate site. I don't recall the exact source where I heard that Japanese textbooks are the equivalent of what people are describing the Chinese history texts as, but I thought it was a reliable news source like NBC back in the day or 60 Minutes. If the textbooks have been finally rectified, then good. I take it you've surveyed all the history books used in junior high and high school there?


...edited for clarity... (removed my next quote, the new "system" here is confusing)


It's basically irrelevant to my point, but sure. I'll give you four instances when atrocities were committed.

1) Chinese Civil War in the early 20th century.(By Chinese against Chinese - the two sides would attack each other and blame the attacks on the Japanese. Or the Japanese would attack a city and the commies would blame the other guys to recruit more soldiers. Rape, pillaging, all that fun. )
2) Chinese Cultural Revolution in the late 20th Century.(By Chinese against Chinese - seriously...you don't know this one?)
3) Korean War (By Koreans against Koreans, including comfort women, massacres, etc. )
4) Vietnam War (by Korean soldiers against Vietnamese, including comfort women, massacres, etc.  )

These are all well documented. If you can't find the evidence yourself, you're either reading propaganda, or you've lost your internet connection.

Now, I'm most decidedly not excusing what the Japanese did. I'm simply asking for people to stop spreading lies about how the Japanese actually think about the war now, and for people to stop visiting the sins of grandfathers upon contemporary Japanese people.



You said: "And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese ". It's you choice of the phrase "equal in scope" that I question. I find it hard to believe any crimes the Koreans committed in their civil war, much less in Viet Nam are anywhere near a tiny fraction of what Japan committed in China during that war.
 
2013-03-01 07:20:36 AM  
Fair enough. I'll take back "equal in scope" and replace it with "equal in horrific atrocity."

Seriously. The things they did do each other were just as horrifying as the stuff the Japanese did to the Chinese.
 
2013-03-01 12:08:01 PM  

Yogimus: ... how can they tell?


there's a difference?

in all seriousness though, I wonder why only asians are given the "they all look alike" shtick; no other race is.
 
2013-03-01 03:54:56 PM  

Breygon: Yogimus: ... how can they tell?

there's a difference?

in all seriousness though, I wonder why only asians are given the "they all look alike" shtick; no other race is.


I've heard some African Americans state that all whiteys look alike, so I figure it works cross culturally, just the stuff our dominant culture is attuned to is by white standards.
 
2013-03-01 06:02:32 PM  

bakarocket: I'm saying that the victims of Japanese conquest, the victims of the massacres and forced marches, and the civilians who suffered horrendous treatment, are all really good at remembering how bad the Japanese were and using it to for political leverage, but they always conveniently forget that they did exactly the same things to their own people.


What I am getting is that you're upset that they're using this politically - using the abuses to further an agenda? This surprises you? Of course they do. I don't hate anyone personally, life is too short for that, but I can understand.
 
2013-03-02 11:41:14 AM  

Breygon: Yogimus: ... how can they tell?

there's a difference?

in all seriousness though, I wonder why only asians are given the "they all look alike" shtick; no other race is.



Of course they are. You just need to hang out with a more diverse group of racists.
 
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