If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(BBC)   Restaurant in Beijing bans Japanese, Vietnamese, Filipinos, and dogs   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 132
    More: Stupid, Beijing's Vietnamese, Beijing, Japanese, Filipinos, Diaoyu, Saigon, Asian, Web User  
•       •       •

6811 clicks; posted to Main » on 28 Feb 2013 at 11:11 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



132 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-02-28 04:38:05 PM
Han shot first.
 
2013-02-28 05:07:22 PM
What's wrong with banning dogs?  Geez, who wants to see an ugly woman while you're their eating.
 
2013-02-28 06:10:40 PM
Example of what a Vietnamese girl might look like:

www.ninjamonkey.us
 
2013-02-28 06:40:09 PM

cbathrob: doglover: Japanese establishments are much more discreet. They simply ban all foreigners.

No, they just make foreigners carry ID cards which they must carry at all time or be subject to arrest--even if the "foreigners" were born in Japan, speak Japanese, have Japanese names, and look Japanese.


Er. No. Only "foreigners" born outside of Japan have to carry ID cards and be subject to detention if they aren't carrying them. Which is exactly as it is in countries like the United States, by the way.

The "foreigners" you are referring to are basically called special permanent residents, and they aren't subject toany of the restrictions that actual foreigners are subject to, except for the ones involving voting.

If you'd like to make a comment about how being born in a country doesn't automatically convey citizenship, you should probably go looking at  the other 80% of the world that does exactly the same thing.

There aren't nothing racist about foreigners having to carry ID showing their visa status.
 
2013-02-28 06:42:28 PM

ciberido: SuperNinjaToad: Dr Dreidel: My dad and I were just talking about Southeast Asia the other day (I have no idea why). Apparently, in Korean textbooks, the two bombs the US dropped on Japan are labeled "a good start".

// Koreans hate the Japanese, is what I gather

Most Westerners don't realized that the brutality, rape, torture and mass murders committed by the Imperial Japanese Army on the entire Asian continent durring WW II made the Holocaust looked like a walk in the park.

A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today.  It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.


Except for the fact that Japan in fact has apologized multiple times and paid billions in repairs and aid post-war. The problem is, that no apology will ever be enough. For Korea and China, hatred toward Japan is a political tool used to foster nationalism and patriotisms, and conveniently divert away the attention of the public from themselves to Japan. It is not in their interest to have a 100% good relationship with Japan at this point.

I have lived in all three countries, and what I have learned is that all three are very much alike in their confucianist, face-saving ways. Korean and Chinese history books are even worse than the Japanese. Most Koreans have no clue that the most ruthless torturers in the Japanese Imperial Army were the Koreans, and neither to they know of the atrocities carried out by Korean troops in the Vietnam war, let alone that they know or will every acknowledge every horrible thing they did amongst themselves in the North-South war. Same with China of course, where it is still is not done to speak bad of Mao and things like the cultural revolution are ignored. Of the three, Japan is doing the best job of learning from its past.
 
2013-02-28 06:48:26 PM

ciberido: A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today. It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.


Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that their government claims Japan hasn't apologized or recognized the atrocities. A simple google proves that wrong, but most people don't want to actually check that their beliefs are true, they want support that they are true. That's why this restaurant guy is doing what he's doing.

 -Japanese investments, loans, and technological exchanges helped build modern South Korea and China. Billions of dollars were given to both countries without any expectation of being paid back, essentially as a form of war reparations. (Of course, this was while the US was pumping money into Japan.)

-The Japanese government's websites specifically say, "We were awful, and we're really, really sorry about it".
-They've apologized officially at least 7 times in public.

This ain't about Japan being dicks. They know they were. It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.
 
2013-02-28 06:49:26 PM
Refresh is my friend.
 
2013-02-28 06:54:58 PM
another example of what a vietnamese girl may look like

p.twimg.com m1.i.pbase.com

NSFW
NSFW
NSFW
NSFW
 
2013-02-28 06:57:28 PM

bakarocket: ciberido: A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today. It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.

Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that their government claims Japan hasn't apologized or recognized the atrocities. A simple google proves that wrong, but most people don't want to actually check that their beliefs are true, they want support that they are true. That's why this restaurant guy is doing what he's doing.

 -Japanese investments, loans, and technological exchanges helped build modern South Korea and China. Billions of dollars were given to both countries without any expectation of being paid back, essentially as a form of war reparations. (Of course, this was while the US was pumping money into Japan.)

-The Japanese government's websites specifically say, "We were awful, and we're really, really sorry about it".
-They've apologized officially at least 7 times in public.


Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that high ranking Japanese officials continue to honor war criminals.  A simple Google proves you wrong.
 
2013-02-28 07:12:41 PM

ciberido: bakarocket: ciberido: A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today. It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.

Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that their government claims Japan hasn't apologized or recognized the atrocities. A simple google proves that wrong, but most people don't want to actually check that their beliefs are true, they want support that they are true. That's why this restaurant guy is doing what he's doing.

 -Japanese investments, loans, and technological exchanges helped build modern South Korea and China. Billions of dollars were given to both countries without any expectation of being paid back, essentially as a form of war reparations. (Of course, this was while the US was pumping money into Japan.)

-The Japanese government's websites specifically say, "We were awful, and we're really, really sorry about it".
-They've apologized officially at least 7 times in public.

Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that high ranking Japanese officials continue to honor war criminals.  A simple Google proves you wrong.


To know whether they were there to honour war criminals, you'd have to be able to read minds. Yasukuni Shrine is a shrine to the spirits of every Japanese person who died. This means, you realize, that their fathers, uncles and brothers are all there as well?

You're basically suggesting that a German politician shouldn't be able to visit the cemetary where his grandfather is buried just because Goering happens to have a plot three rows over.
 
2013-02-28 07:13:32 PM
*died during the war, that should read.
 
2013-02-28 07:52:58 PM
Undeniable facts and irrefutable logic FTW.
 
2013-02-28 10:02:47 PM

bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.


Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.
 
2013-02-28 10:17:38 PM

UnspokenVoice: Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.


No. It would be like staying angry at the grandchildren of the man who raped your cousin, so yeah, exactly the same. Except completely stupid.

And no one is asking them to forget about it. They're asking them to forgive. And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese, I'd say they should shine all the black off their own kettle before they go calling Japan black.
 
2013-02-28 11:14:39 PM

UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.

Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.


eh, give it another generation I guess...

could be wrong though...
 
2013-02-28 11:36:25 PM

UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.

Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.


Of course they can continue to be angry and refuse to forgive. But to insist that no one in Japan recognizes the atrocities that were done, and that no one has apologized, is just wrong.

Granted, certain frothing-at-the-mouth right wing assholes on the net don't help matters, but it seems all three countries have those.  There are definitely right-winger apologist politicians also, but they're controversial for it, discussion happens, and again, there exist Holocaust deniers too but no one insists all Germans are that way.
 
2013-02-28 11:50:12 PM

itazurakko: UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.

Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

Of course they can continue to be angry and refuse to forgive. But to insist that no one in Japan recognizes the atrocities that were done, and that no one has apologized, is just wrong.

Granted, certain frothing-at-the-mouth right wing assholes on the net don't help matters, but it seems all three countries have those.  There are definitely right-winger apologist politicians also, but they're controversial for it, discussion happens, and again, there exist Holocaust deniers too but no one insists all Germans are that way.


Of course not! Don't be silly! Germans aren't a single hive mind like the Japanese!
 
2013-03-01 01:19:52 AM
What the Fark?

Is this in Engrish?

/oh wait
//gots my glasses on backward
///squints
////ahh, so
 
2013-03-01 02:34:01 AM

Gergesa: Frozboz: The Chinese disdain for Japanese is pretty high these days.  A cousin of mine living in China told me during that recent brush-up over the disputed islands between the two countries, anything Japanese just wasn't welcome in his city.  Even cars and motorcycles would get vandalized unless the owner would paste a Chinese flag over the Honda or Toyota emblem.  Crazy.

He also tells stories about what the school teach their kids about Japan - how the brave Chinese beat back Japanese aggression in WW2 (with no mention of the US) and how Japan begged China not to invade and conquer.  Good stuff.

Honestly this wouldn't surprise me.  I'm not sure what their story for Hiroshima and Nagasaki is but I wager it reads something like "The Japanese imperialists dogs were fighting so hard against our brave soldiers the Americans were able to slip through and hit them with atomic bombs just as secretly planned."

Something like that anyway.


Counterpoint - Japanese history books teach that WW2 was "the war of American aggression" and they did nothing wrong. Next time we take a country over and write it a constitution we should add a clause where their history books have to be accurate.
 
2013-03-01 02:57:51 AM

bakarocket: ciberido: A lot of the outrage in Korea today stems from the fact that Japan has never acknowledged, much less apologized for, these war crimes, and some of the worst war criminals are paid respect even today. It would be as if German textbooks made no mention of concentration camps, and the Chancellor of Germany laid flowers on Herman Goering's grave once a year.

Actually, a lot of the outrage stems from the fact that their government claims Japan hasn't apologized or recognized the atrocities. A simple google proves that wrong, but most people don't want to actually check that their beliefs are true, they want support that they are true. That's why this restaurant guy is doing what he's doing.

 -Japanese investments, loans, and technological exchanges helped build modern South Korea and China. Billions of dollars were given to both countries without any expectation of being paid back, essentially as a form of war reparations. (Of course, this was while the US was pumping money into Japan.)

-The Japanese government's websites specifically say, "We were awful, and we're really, really sorry about it".
-They've apologized officially at least 7 times in public.

This ain't about Japan being dicks. They know they were. It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.


It doesn't really matter if they half-assed apologized for WW2 if they are still teaching their children in school that it was "the war of US aggression" and they didn't do anything wrong.
 
2013-03-01 03:12:44 AM

bakarocket: UnspokenVoice: Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

No. It would be like staying angry at the grandchildren of the man who raped your cousin, so yeah, exactly the same. Except completely stupid.

And no one is asking them to forget about it. They're asking them to forgive. And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese, I'd say they should shine all the black off their own kettle before they go calling Japan black.


Citation needed.
 
2013-03-01 04:12:57 AM

bakarocket: UnspokenVoice: Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

No. It would be like staying angry at the grandchildren of the man who raped your cousin, so yeah, exactly the same. Except completely stupid.

And no one is asking them to forget about it. They're asking them to forgive. And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese, I'd say they should shine all the black off their own kettle before they go calling Japan black.


Long memories and politicized education go a long ways.

Breygon: UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.

Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

eh, give it another generation I guess...

could be wrong though...


Yeah, methinks the education needs changing too from what I've read. I read the other reply and it's cute that they point at the victims and say that they did it too.
 
2013-03-01 05:46:24 AM

Medic Zero:
Counterpoint - Japanese history books teach that WW2 was "the war of American aggression" and they did nothing wrong.

No they don't. Citation: I live here and have read actual textbooks. Don't believe everything you read on killalljaps.com .


Medic Zero: And no one is asking them to forget about it. They're asking them to forgive. And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese, I'd say they should shine all the black off their own kettle before they go calling Japan black.Citation needed.


It's basically irrelevant to my point, but sure. I'll give you four instances when atrocities were committed.

1) Chinese Civil War in the early 20th century.(By Chinese against Chinese - the two sides would attack each other and blame the attacks on the Japanese. Or the Japanese would attack a city and the commies would blame the other guys to recruit more soldiers. Rape, pillaging, all that fun. )
2) Chinese Cultural Revolution in the late 20th Century.(By Chinese against Chinese - seriously...you don't know this one?)
3) Korean War (By Koreans against Koreans, including comfort women, massacres, etc. )
4) Vietnam War (by Korean soldiers against Vietnamese, including comfort women, massacres, etc.  )

These are all well documented. If you can't find the evidence yourself, you're either reading propaganda, or you've lost your internet connection.

Now, I'm most decidedly not excusing what the Japanese did. I'm simply asking for people to stop spreading lies about how the Japanese actually think about the war now, and for people to stop visiting the sins of grandfathers upon contemporary Japanese people.
 
2013-03-01 05:51:21 AM

UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: UnspokenVoice: Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

No. It would be like staying angry at the grandchildren of the man who raped your cousin, so yeah, exactly the same. Except completely stupid.

And no one is asking them to forget about it. They're asking them to forgive. And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese, I'd say they should shine all the black off their own kettle before they go calling Japan black.

Long memories and politicized education go a long ways.

Breygon: UnspokenVoice: bakarocket: It's about Korea and China refusing to forgive them for it.

Do they have to or can they continue to be angry about the atrocities? It seems like it would be akin to insisting your rape victims to forgive you - oh, wait, it's just like that. I don't think they're required to forgive and forget, some atrocities don't merit forgiveness.

eh, give it another generation I guess...

could be wrong though...

Yeah, methinks the education needs changing too from what I've read. I read the other reply and it's cute that they point at the victims and say that they did it too.


I'm not pointing at the victims and saying, "They did it too." I'm saying that humans are evil motherfarkers - all of them - and while expects forgiveness for their own sins, no one is willing to forgive anyone else.

I'm saying that the victims of Japanese conquest, the victims of the massacres and forced marches, and the civilians who suffered horrendous treatment, are all really good at remembering how bad the Japanese were and using it to for political leverage, but they always conveniently forget that they did exactly the same things to their own people.

Consistency is the key here. If one nation demonizes another nation for doing something the first nation is also guilty of, doesn't that seem in the least bit odd to you?

Honestly. You people just want a reason to hate other people, don't you?
 
2013-03-01 05:51:56 AM
* and while everyone expects*
 
2013-03-01 05:55:10 AM
No dogs? So it's a vegetarian place?
 
2013-03-01 06:27:49 AM
Medic Zero - "- Japanese history books teach that WW2 was "the war of American aggression" and they did nothing wrong."

bakarocket: No they don't. Citation: I live here and have read actual textbooks. Don't believe everything you read on killalljaps.com .


I don't recognize the website you quote, but I'm sure I haven't been there (I think I'd remember that). I'm not going to go to that site either, I suspect you were trying to be cute and it is some sort of hate site. I don't recall the exact source where I heard that Japanese textbooks are the equivalent of what people are describing the Chinese history texts as, but I thought it was a reliable news source like NBC back in the day or 60 Minutes. If the textbooks have been finally rectified, then good. I take it you've surveyed all the history books used in junior high and high school there?


...edited for clarity... (removed my next quote, the new "system" here is confusing)


It's basically irrelevant to my point, but sure. I'll give you four instances when atrocities were committed.

1) Chinese Civil War in the early 20th century.(By Chinese against Chinese - the two sides would attack each other and blame the attacks on the Japanese. Or the Japanese would attack a city and the commies would blame the other guys to recruit more soldiers. Rape, pillaging, all that fun. )
2) Chinese Cultural Revolution in the late 20th Century.(By Chinese against Chinese - seriously...you don't know this one?)
3) Korean War (By Koreans against Koreans, including comfort women, massacres, etc. )
4) Vietnam War (by Korean soldiers against Vietnamese, including comfort women, massacres, etc.  )

These are all well documented. If you can't find the evidence yourself, you're either reading propaganda, or you've lost your internet connection.

Now, I'm most decidedly not excusing what the Japanese did. I'm simply asking for people to stop spreading lies about how the Japanese actually think about the war now, and for people to stop visiting the sins of grandfathers upon contemporary Japanese people.



You said: "And since both China and Korea have committed atrocities equal in scope to the ones committed against them by the Japanese ". It's you choice of the phrase "equal in scope" that I question. I find it hard to believe any crimes the Koreans committed in their civil war, much less in Viet Nam are anywhere near a tiny fraction of what Japan committed in China during that war.
 
2013-03-01 07:20:36 AM
Fair enough. I'll take back "equal in scope" and replace it with "equal in horrific atrocity."

Seriously. The things they did do each other were just as horrifying as the stuff the Japanese did to the Chinese.
 
2013-03-01 12:08:01 PM

Yogimus: ... how can they tell?


there's a difference?

in all seriousness though, I wonder why only asians are given the "they all look alike" shtick; no other race is.
 
2013-03-01 03:54:56 PM

Breygon: Yogimus: ... how can they tell?

there's a difference?

in all seriousness though, I wonder why only asians are given the "they all look alike" shtick; no other race is.


I've heard some African Americans state that all whiteys look alike, so I figure it works cross culturally, just the stuff our dominant culture is attuned to is by white standards.
 
2013-03-01 06:02:32 PM

bakarocket: I'm saying that the victims of Japanese conquest, the victims of the massacres and forced marches, and the civilians who suffered horrendous treatment, are all really good at remembering how bad the Japanese were and using it to for political leverage, but they always conveniently forget that they did exactly the same things to their own people.


What I am getting is that you're upset that they're using this politically - using the abuses to further an agenda? This surprises you? Of course they do. I don't hate anyone personally, life is too short for that, but I can understand.
 
2013-03-02 11:41:14 AM

Breygon: Yogimus: ... how can they tell?

there's a difference?

in all seriousness though, I wonder why only asians are given the "they all look alike" shtick; no other race is.



Of course they are. You just need to hang out with a more diverse group of racists.
 
Displayed 32 of 132 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »





Report