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2013-02-28 06:49:05 PM  

strutin: likefunbutnot: BigLuca: Hidemyass

Hidemyass is one of MANY vpn providers that keeps logs and will readily provide them.
If you're going to go looking for a VPN service, you really need to scrutinize their privacy policies to see what you're actually getting.

And it's a lot like web hosting, in that it's freaking impossible to find any kind of objective reviews that aren't thinly disguised shills for one service or other.

it's a little dated, but still may be of use..http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-anonymit y-seri ously-111007/


I can't click that link here at work, but I'm 90% sure that's the same list I used when I signed up for BTGuard.

For those who mentioned PeerBlock..... It doesn't really work. It may help slightly if you keep the blacklists updated, but not much. I used it religiously and still got a warning email from my ISP about a file I was downloading (season finale of a current TV show). Uninstalled PeerBlock, signed up with a BTGUard and have had no more issues.
 
2013-02-28 06:52:28 PM  

Theaetetus: So, when MediaSentry or the like joins the swarm, they jot down all connected IPs  who send them data,regardless of completion percentage. But too be sure, each one of those connected IPs  is distributing at least some of the data. MediaSentry has to show that to get the subpoena, because merely being a room while others are infringing isn't enough to support a subpoena - they have to show that this John Doewas  actually distributing or copying the work.


I understand that that's the theory, but it's not practice. I've been subpoenaed and in writing my motion to quash I did a TON of research -- and I'm a very good writer and researcher -- and never once was "data transferred" ever mentioned, cited, explained, detailed, etc. They do not mention it in any of their evidence or claims. They REALLY ARE arguing that "being there" is "being bad." And that's why they're failing.

I'm not arguing with you, we're on the same side, in case the punctuation up there reads like I want to fight. But I've been a part of this and pulled up dozens of other complaints, and not once was "this IP gave us data" involved. It was just, "they were on the swarm." So thank the courts for improper joinder! :)
 
2013-02-28 06:56:18 PM  

mongbiohazard: strutin:
it's a little dated, but still may be of use..http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-anonymit y-seri ously-111007/

I can't click that link here at work, but I'm 90% sure that's the same list I used when I signed up for BTGuard.

For those who mentioned PeerBlock..... It doesn't really work. It may help slightly if you keep the blacklists updated, but not much. I used it religiously and still got a warning email from my ISP about a file I was downloading (season finale of a current TV show). Uninstalled PeerBlock, signed up with a BTGUard and have had no more issues.


this was the part of the article regarding BTGuard:
"BTguard
Response to Q1: "It's technically unfeasible for us to maintain log files with the amount of connections we route," BTguard explain. "We estimate the capacity needed to store log files would be 4TB per day."
Response to Q2: "The jurisdiction is Canada. Since we do not have log files, we have no information to share. We do not communicate with any third parties. The only event we would even communicate with a third party is if we received a court order. We would then be forced to notify them we have no information. This has not happened yet.""

sounds like a good choice..:-)
 
2013-02-28 07:07:53 PM  

Theaetetus: Accordingly, their evidence to get the subpoena has to be more particular than a mere IP address.


What can they get that's more specific than your IP and how do they get that information?
 
2013-02-28 07:12:37 PM  
WAAAAAAA!!!! I have the right to all the content in the world free of charge. It's not like it takes someone with years of honed skills and a mortgage to pay and a family to feed to produce [insert movie, song, photograph, article here].
 
2013-02-28 07:14:27 PM  

Ed Finnerty: iVPN.net

It a pay service with unlimited bandwidth and connection time. Single and multi-hop connections. 5-minute logs, continually overwritten. Choose from various servers in USA, France, Netherlands, or the UK.

Been using it for over a year now and I have zero complaints.


If they keep logs for 5 minute time intervals, when they get subpoenaed they'll still have a log of the last 5 minutes to give out. If you're constantly running a torrent client, there will be requests made/fulfilled by your IP in that 5 minute window, right? Or do you just hope that all of the swarms you were in at the time do not contain anything copyrighted by the entity receiving those logs?

To me it'd make much more sense to go with someone who doesn't log at all.
 
2013-02-28 07:39:21 PM  

Bisu: Ed Finnerty: iVPN.net

It a pay service with unlimited bandwidth and connection time. Single and multi-hop connections. 5-minute logs, continually overwritten. Choose from various servers in USA, France, Netherlands, or the UK.

Been using it for over a year now and I have zero complaints.

If they keep logs for 5 minute time intervals, when they get subpoenaed they'll still have a log of the last 5 minutes to give out. If you're constantly running a torrent client, there will be requests made/fulfilled by your IP in that 5 minute window, right? Or do you just hope that all of the swarms you were in at the time do not contain anything copyrighted by the entity receiving those logs?

To me it'd make much more sense to go with someone who doesn't log at all.


You missed the bolded part.
 
2013-02-28 07:43:07 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Bisu: Ed Finnerty: iVPN.net

It a pay service with unlimited bandwidth and connection time. Single and multi-hop connections. 5-minute logs, continually overwritten. Choose from various servers in USA, France, Netherlands, or the UK.

Been using it for over a year now and I have zero complaints.

If they keep logs for 5 minute time intervals, when they get subpoenaed they'll still have a log of the last 5 minutes to give out. If you're constantly running a torrent client, there will be requests made/fulfilled by your IP in that 5 minute window, right? Or do you just hope that all of the swarms you were in at the time do not contain anything copyrighted by the entity receiving those logs?

To me it'd make much more sense to go with someone who doesn't log at all.

You missed the bolded part.


I think you missed that bolded part.
 
2013-02-28 07:45:19 PM  

Bisu: Ed Finnerty: iVPN.net

It a pay service with unlimited bandwidth and connection time. Single and multi-hop connections. 5-minute logs, continually overwritten. Choose from various servers in USA, France, Netherlands, or the UK.

Been using it for over a year now and I have zero complaints.

If they keep logs for 5 minute time intervals, when they get subpoenaed they'll still have a log of the last 5 minutes to give out. If you're constantly running a torrent client, there will be requests made/fulfilled by your IP in that 5 minute window, right? Or do you just hope that all of the swarms you were in at the time do not contain anything copyrighted by the entity receiving those logs?

To me it'd make much more sense to go with someone who doesn't log at all.


As Scrotastic Method was kind enough to point out, they are overwritten.

From their website:

Do you collect or store any usage/stats information relating to a VPN account?
Unlike many service providers, IVPN purposefully does not log any usage data associated with an account as we provide an unlimited and unrestricted quota free service.

What happens if you receive a legal notice such as a DMCA for copyright material that I have downloaded?
Since our customers are anonymous when using our service, such notices are directed to IVPN and our legal department will issue an appropriate response. Since we store no connection logs, we couldn't associate a request with a customer identity even if legally compelled to do so.

How do we react when requested by an authority for information relating to a customer?
The company is incorporated in Malta. If a court order is received from a recognized legal authority with jurisdiction over IVPN then the company will comply with that order. However, the company cannot be compelled to hand over information which it does not have. When a customer signs up we request the minimum information possible, a valid email address. If it ever becomes required by law for us to keep a persistent log of our customers connections or any personal data relating to their network activity, we will immediately notify our customers and do everything in our power to move jurisdictions or close the service to protect those who entrust their privacy to us.
 
2013-02-28 07:46:59 PM  
To clarify, the five-minute logs they keep are for troubleshooting only.
 
2013-02-28 07:48:38 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Bisu: Ed Finnerty: iVPN.net

It a pay service with unlimited bandwidth and connection time. Single and multi-hop connections. 5-minute logs, continually overwritten. Choose from various servers in USA, France, Netherlands, or the UK.

Been using it for over a year now and I have zero complaints.

If they keep logs for 5 minute time intervals, when they get subpoenaed they'll still have a log of the last 5 minutes to give out. If you're constantly running a torrent client, there will be requests made/fulfilled by your IP in that 5 minute window, right? Or do you just hope that all of the swarms you were in at the time do not contain anything copyrighted by the entity receiving those logs?

To me it'd make much more sense to go with someone who doesn't log at all.

You missed the bolded part.


No I didn't. Perhaps he wrote it poorly, but the way it's written there would be 5 minutes of data logged at any time, and the second after the 5th minute starts overwriting the first minute, etc. The data might not be continuous, but it should average out to 5 minutes of data. That's the only way that I can see saying "5 minutes" making any sense. If there's only 1MB of log space available (constantly overwritten as it fills), that'd be a 2-second log (or however long it takes to fill 1MB with log data). If not, what does "5 minutes" refer to?
 
2013-02-28 07:53:15 PM  
Soon they will 'hijack' users' browsers who just go to the sites but don't use any torrents.
 
2013-02-28 07:53:38 PM  

Ed Finnerty: To clarify, the five-minute logs they keep are for troubleshooting only.


Deceitful claims then. Carefully worded. They say they don't "log any usage data associated with an account" which they want you to think means they don't log your IP and requests. But I imagine they actually mean they don't tie YOUR ACCOUNT to the requests, even though your identity can be derived from your IP. Unless of course you made up the 5-minute log claim (source for that?) and they don't actually log anything.
 
2013-02-28 07:54:29 PM  

Bisu: Scrotastic Method: Bisu: Ed Finnerty: iVPN.net

It a pay service with unlimited bandwidth and connection time. Single and multi-hop connections. 5-minute logs, continually overwritten. Choose from various servers in USA, France, Netherlands, or the UK.

Been using it for over a year now and I have zero complaints.

If they keep logs for 5 minute time intervals, when they get subpoenaed they'll still have a log of the last 5 minutes to give out. If you're constantly running a torrent client, there will be requests made/fulfilled by your IP in that 5 minute window, right? Or do you just hope that all of the swarms you were in at the time do not contain anything copyrighted by the entity receiving those logs?

To me it'd make much more sense to go with someone who doesn't log at all.

You missed the bolded part.

No I didn't. Perhaps he wrote it poorly, but the way it's written there would be 5 minutes of data logged at any time, and the second after the 5th minute starts overwriting the first minute, etc. The data might not be continuous, but it should average out to 5 minutes of data. That's the only way that I can see saying "5 minutes" making any sense. If there's only 1MB of log space available (constantly overwritten as it fills), that'd be a 2-second log (or however long it takes to fill 1MB with log data). If not, what does "5 minutes" refer to?


If it's anything like my BigCompanyName, without getting pedantic, they are saying based upon their average usage, the amount of logs lying around in aggregate is about five minutes worth (probably stored directly on the network devices).  Alternatively they could just be aging out each log entry with a five minute TTL.

Our outbound NAT pools could not possibly keep up with more than a minute or two of logging.  The amount of traffic is staggering.
 
2013-02-28 07:55:50 PM  
It doesn't really matter at this point. With 30 others to chose from on the TorrentFreak page, I wouldn't chose one with ANY claims of logging.
 
2013-02-28 08:05:24 PM  

Bisu: Theaetetus: Accordingly, their evidence to get the subpoena has to be more particular than a mere IP address.

What can they get that's more specific than your IP and how do they get that information?


They could get your name. How? I suppose they could call you and ask nicely? ;)
 
2013-02-28 08:10:39 PM  
iPredator

Very surprised at how little that first hop latency ends up impacting throughput. I recommend it.
 
2013-02-28 08:53:03 PM  
I don't understand how using VPN helps disguise it.

i have Cox at home, only slightly less evil than Comcast, if I were to use Hidemyass, wouldn't Cox still see all the bandwidth I'm using going through their pipes and also the kind of bandwidth it would be?
 
2013-02-28 09:00:04 PM  

king of vegas: i have Cox at home, only slightly less evil than Comcast, if I were to use Hidemyass, wouldn't Cox still see all the bandwidth I'm using going through their pipes and also the kind of bandwidth it would be?


No, because the source of the traffic would appear to be your VPN provider. Since the traffic is encrypted, the most that your ISP can say is that the traffic coming to your cable modem is torrent-like but encrypted. Without knowing the explicit content of your traffic, there's nothing they can complain about so long as you aren't otherwise abusing their network.
 
2013-02-28 10:23:18 PM  

swaxhog: If you don't want to set up vpn on your home pc, which has its drawbacks, get a seedbox.  This gives you the benefit of incredibly fast connections (50MB/s not uncommon), able to seed torrents (for ratio sites) without affecting your isp's bandwith cap, and of course multiple methods of transferring files to your home pc via encrypted transport - including vpn!.




Use a seedbox that takes bitcoins.
 
2013-02-28 10:28:30 PM  

king of vegas: I don't understand how using VPN helps disguise it.

i have Cox at home, only slightly less evil than Comcast, if I were to use Hidemyass, wouldn't Cox still see all the bandwidth I'm using going through their pipes and also the kind of bandwidth it would be?


Comcast can see the bandwidth, but not what is being transported as the traffic is encrypted.

VPNs are used by most companies to allow employees to access systems from home/hotel while traveling, etc. Perfectly legitimate.
 
2013-02-28 10:42:13 PM  

Scrotastic Method: I'm essentially stuck with Comcast where I live and really need to get with this Seedbox action, possibly a VPN. If heavy torrent users can recommend something safe and cheap (I know, you don't get both, probably) that would be a huge help. Fark-specific Gmail in profile if you don't want to talk out in the open. Thanks everyone.

If it helps, my motion to the courts when my ISP was subpoenaed got my case dismissed, and I shared it after mentioning it on Fark, and it also apparently got a few Farkers off...I'm Total Fark because they gifted me. So, I've been here before, and have tried to help!


Check out overplay.net. If you like watching BBC, you can set your IP to the UK and with BBC Player, download BBC programs for free.

Or you can set your IP to Venezuela to down load torrents. No extradition from Venezuela. :-)
 
2013-02-28 10:47:46 PM  
*shrug* I'm okay with dropping internet for a few months. If Time Warner doesn't want my $80/mo that's their problem.

/maybe I'd finally get some use out of my library card
 
2013-02-28 11:19:57 PM  
Step 1. Jack a free wifi connection, like Star*ucks, McDonald's, the library's, or your neighbors.
Step 2. Torrent Backdoor sluts 1-15.
Step 3. Profit.
Step 4. Laugh your ass off.
Step 5. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
2013-02-28 11:23:08 PM  

king of vegas: I don't understand how using VPN helps disguise it.

i have Cox at home, only slightly less evil than Comcast, if I were to use Hidemyass, wouldn't Cox still see all the bandwidth I'm using going through their pipes and also the kind of bandwidth it would be?


They could see that you're using a lot of bandwidth, but, because it's encrypted, they can't see the contents of it.
 
2013-03-01 12:01:18 AM  
Back to Lynx, I guess.
 
2013-03-01 12:04:21 AM  

Theaetetus: Empty Matchbook: //but I have the good taste to admit it's theft

Aw, geez, now you've done it.

[i66.photobucket.com image 503x371]


YOU SHOULD HAVE KILLED ME WHEN YOU HAD THE CHANCE!!
 
2013-03-01 02:40:01 AM  

Elzar: / Even if you don't torrent, you should be using a vpn
// Small cost for much better privacy


Is some overseas network really a trustworthy custodian of all your internet traffic? Serious question.

Also, while I'm not a fan of Comcast by any means, I don't get the righteous indignation over the ability to pirate content.  I haven't practiced that in many years but I thought accepting that you would face hurdles like this was part of the game, followed by finding ways to get around said hurdles--not acting like a god-given right was taken away.  Or are they punishing a lot of false positives? Again, serious question.
 
2013-03-01 02:44:37 AM  
Sweet, so if I had a Comcast contract and wanted to terminate early without additional cost I could.
 
2013-03-01 03:56:54 AM  

Theaetetus: Ostman: Is it a service you subscribe to,

Yes.

or a onetime download?

The software for connecting to your VPN provider is. :)

Check out the aforementioned PureVPN.


OK, thanks again.
 
2013-03-01 04:09:08 AM  

jonny_q: Weaver95: a TOS agreement cannot trump federal law.  And I don't care HOW good a legal staff comcast has...if they break federal computer crimes laws then their CEO should go to jail for it.

And it's official. You used to be one of the most intelligent commenters here, but you've gone full retard with this post. According to you, an ISP manipulating the traffic that goes through its network is the same thing as hacking into your personal computer and breaking criminal hacking laws.

You can biatch about local monopolies, the politics of it, or ISPs being dicks about routing traffic, but when you show a fundamental ignorance of how the damned computers work and scream "hacking" you lose all your credibility.


The worst part is that I seem to recall them claiming to work in the industry. I have had him on ignore for a long time now so who knows what he's claiming at this point. I never found him intelligent, his political dribbles are even worse.
 
2013-03-01 09:12:19 AM  

jonny_q: Weaver95: a TOS agreement cannot trump federal law.  And I don't care HOW good a legal staff comcast has...if they break federal computer crimes laws then their CEO should go to jail for it.

And it's official. You used to be one of the most intelligent commenters here, but you've gone full retard with this post. According to you, an ISP manipulating the traffic that goes through its network is the same thing as hacking into your personal computer and breaking criminal hacking laws.

You can biatch about local monopolies, the politics of it, or ISPs being dicks about routing traffic, but when you show a fundamental ignorance of how the damned computers work and scream "hacking" you lose all your credibility.


Just because they control the pipe does not give them the right to interfere with your traffic.  If your ISP picked up requests for your bank's website and redirected you to one of their competitors (or worse yet, to a phishing site), would you consider that perfectly OK?
 
2013-03-01 09:18:11 AM  
If I were making copies of DVD's or CD's and passing them out for free on the street to anyone who wants to avoid paying for a copy of their own, I would most certainly get in trouble.  Why should doing the same thing online be any different?

/is certainly no saint
 
2013-03-01 09:38:43 AM  
"Customer Security Assurance professional"  sounds like a bunch of unpaid interns to me.
 
2013-03-01 10:26:10 AM  
I got a few notices the other year back from Comcast after downloading some movies, Did a DoD wipe of the hard drive when the emails came in and reinstalled, turned the clock back in the bios just to make sure that the OS get's an older date for the install date just in case they decided to pursue the issue.

Nothing came of it, only lost a few movies out of it.  Not sure why I used torrents that time, first and last time.
 
2013-03-01 02:16:32 PM  
Remind me to park in the drive thru and walk away next time Mickey D's forgets my fries.  Thieving bastards.
 
2013-03-01 04:56:56 PM  

Nuclear Monk: You can still torrent number 8 though, right?


Pretty much.  Copyright owners pay MediaSentry to monitor only their hottest properties.
 
2013-03-01 05:25:25 PM  

swahnhennessy: Lanadapter: For example, is "king Kong.zip" the pubic domain movie, Peter Jackson's king Kong or an open source game by pussylicker69?

None of the above. It's a .zip file that you were just dumb enough to download off a torrent site.

If my ISP were doing this to me, I'd drop them, even if it meant going to dial-up. And I really doubt there are many places where Comcast has a total monopoly. You may think they do, but if you look closer you'll see about 20 options.


And those 20 options route their traffic through Comcast.  Comcast gets a complaint, traces it to your ISP, sends the warning to him.  Your ISP traces to you, says if he gets any more he'll cut you off rather than lose his Comcast connection.  He's not a signatory to this six-strikes thing.

Your ISP must really suck if you'd drop him for dialup.
 
2013-03-01 06:17:54 PM  
COX communications is not participating in the 6 strike system.

/suck my Cox
 
2013-03-01 06:25:47 PM  

MmmmBacon: Meh, the whole thing is stupid. I don't download copyrighted materials, so I'm not worried about this issue very much, but I do play some games that download their updates via a Peer-to-Peer system very similar to downloading torrents. I know I would be viciously pissed if Comcast blocked my web browsing because I happen to play games that act in a similar fashion to BitTorrent.


Citizen, you have nothing to hide. Please install these government issued cameras in every room. We want to ensure your safety against any terrorists that enter your household.
 
2013-03-01 06:30:15 PM  

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Oh if only there was a way to mask my IP address to prevent detection.  Who will be my prince and invent such a...

Oh.  Wait.

/me turns on VPN
/me flips off Comcast


VPNs help, but it's not a silver bullet.

Oh wait, you're just with Them. You're trying to make people complacent and believe there to be a perfect anonymity and security system. Then it will be trivial to pick off the lazy dummies.

Good plan!
 
2013-03-02 06:20:03 AM  
Y'all are stupid.

check.torproject.org , orjtcfrost.sourceforge.net
 
2013-03-03 12:54:00 AM  

mongbiohazard: strutin: likefunbutnot: BigLuca: Hidemyass

Hidemyass is one of MANY vpn providers that keeps logs and will readily provide them.
If you're going to go looking for a VPN service, you really need to scrutinize their privacy policies to see what you're actually getting.

And it's a lot like web hosting, in that it's freaking impossible to find any kind of objective reviews that aren't thinly disguised shills for one service or other.

it's a little dated, but still may be of use..http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-anonymit y-seri ously-111007/

I can't click that link here at work, but I'm 90% sure that's the same list I used when I signed up for BTGuard.

For those who mentioned PeerBlock..... It doesn't really work. It may help slightly if you keep the blacklists updated, but not much. I used it religiously and still got a warning email from my ISP about a file I was downloading (season finale of a current TV show). Uninstalled PeerBlock, signed up with a BTGUard and have had no more issues.


Maybe you can answer a question for me, Does BTGuard's VPN have servers outside of Canada?  I tried emailing them but never heard anything.  I mostly use my VPN to access NHL Game Center but wouldnt mind being able to torrent as well.  Currently I am using AirVPN which is good but I am having trouble with getting bit torrent to work properly.
 
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