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(Torrent Freak)   Comcast continues to choke down their endless bag of dicks, as they announce plans to hijack user's browsers if they dare torrent Backdoor Sluts 9   (torrentfreak.com) divider line 193
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2013-02-28 11:50:39 AM

Weaver95: so if I were to find a way to pull this off and redirect Disney's home page to Brazzers.com...it's all good and legal?


Dude are you now hanging around with Rush and sharing his 'meds'?  You are not usually this obtuse.

When you subscribe to comcast's network, you sign an agreement to not abuse (now those abuse rules may be be up for debate).  Part of the way they protect their network from abuse is to redirect traffic to different servers.  Are you upset that your ISP is very likely, right now, redirecting your fark.com requests to their caching servers INSTEAD of the actual website?  OMG, they are intercepting your traffic!@!@!!!!!  FEDERAL LAWSUIT!@!@

Doing a network level redirect for a user that they claim violates the TOS for access to the network is not a violation of your federal privacy.

In your magic scenario, you would have to put your equipment in the flow between other's network somewhere.  That would most likely be illegal as I would imagine you are not authorized to get between those networks or premises.  If it were authorized, at most it would be a breach of contract I would assume, and not hacking as you had the right to modify the traffic and equipment, but you did so in a manner that was outside the good faith contract between ISPs.
 
2013-02-28 11:52:26 AM

Revek: Remember its not illegal as long as no one successfully sues.

you don't get caught.

FTFE
 
2013-02-28 11:54:42 AM

Theaetetus: Flint Ironstag: (Some matters, like murder cannot be consented to)

Consider euthanasia as a caveat to that.


Isn't euthanasia enacted (in OR, anyway) in such a way that the doc is essentially prescribing painkillers and leaving the room? (Yes, I know there's a 6-month waiting period as well as many hoops to jump through just to get the script, plus 60-some-odd percent of people don't end up using them. I mean philosophically.)

Friends of mine on whatever prescribed drugs often get a bottle with enough pills to kill or seriously injure them, yet this isn't "euthanasia". Sure, there's intent in the one case, but with the facts being essentially the same in both cases (you get enough pills to do major damage, and they have primary effects other than "kill you dead"), is there enough of an argument there that euthanasia is more like suicide (which there are laws against IIRC)?

// does it really matter?
 
2013-02-28 11:57:31 AM
That's the final straw --

I'm switching to IP/oAC
 
2013-02-28 12:01:54 PM
Isn't there a program/service called TOR that would avoid their 'tracking'?
 
2013-02-28 12:04:39 PM
Five midgets, spanking a man, covered in Thousand Island dressing... Is that making love?
 
2013-02-28 12:15:10 PM

TV's Vinnie: People, get PEERBLOCK already!



Peerblock is a placebo.
 
2013-02-28 12:20:31 PM

BafflerMeal: TV's Vinnie: People, get PEERBLOCK already!


Peerblock is a placebo.


Go on....
 
2013-02-28 12:20:35 PM

BafflerMeal: TV's Vinnie: People, get PEERBLOCK already!

Peerblock is a placebo.


I can't believe anyone would think it would prevent copyright holders from finding them. I mean, it's not like MediaSentry announces what IP address they're using that day.
 
2013-02-28 12:25:27 PM

funk_soul_bubby: Five midgets, spanking a man, covered in Thousand Island dressing... Is that making love?


maybe, maybe not but it`s ART!
 
2013-02-28 12:26:17 PM
... actually, there's a way you could use PEERBLOCK or other IP block lists that could potentially be safe... start your torrent with the rate throttled waaaaaay down so that you're barely getting any data, but you are getting the advertisements of who's seeding. Then, identify which seeders have complete copies. Finally, block  all IP addresses  except those few seeders and unlock the rate throttle.

You won't be uploading, because none of those seeders will be requesting data, so distribution is out. And while you are making an infringing copy, the only way MediaSentry could find you would be to be one of the seeders... and then you have a really good argument that you're getting a licensed copy from an agent of the copyright owner and it's not illegal at all. It's one of the reasons that the RIAA/MPAA have never gone after leechers, but that's a little more difficult with torrents. This method should make you an absolute leech.

Disclaimer: this is not legal advice, do not rely on the above. Use at your own peril.
 
2013-02-28 12:30:41 PM
What's a VPN?
I know I'm inviting the wrath of farkers with actual computer literacy, but why do you apparently 50% of you use this?
 
2013-02-28 12:33:42 PM
You can still torrent number 8 though, right?
 
2013-02-28 12:35:38 PM

Ostman: What's a VPN?
I know I'm inviting the wrath of farkers with actual computer literacy, but why do you apparently 50% of you use this?


Virtual Private Network. Commonly used by businesses when people want to work remotely. It's as if you had a really long-ass Ethernet cable running to your work, so that at home, you're on their internal network, have a company IP instead of your own IP address, etc. Any action you do is through their network rather than your own.

In this case, the "company" is usually some server farm out of the country or an ISP that has refused to scan packets for torrents. You connect to them via a VPN and all your ISP sees is encrypted traffic between your computer and the VPN host. No torrents, no porn browsing, etc.
 
2013-02-28 12:40:26 PM

ferretman: Isn't there a program/service called TOR that would avoid their 'tracking'?


I'm going to start downloading a 1080p version of Avatar over TOR right now.  Cause I'll need something to watch when I retire in 40 years.
 
2013-02-28 12:43:50 PM
Why use BT when there are safer alternatives, like anonymous file lockers or going through TOR?

Or so I've been told.
 
2013-02-28 12:46:14 PM

Weaver95: Walker: Should be an easy way to stop the pop-ups.

why bother in the first place?  look - if i'm an evil file trader, i'm not gonna use MY wi-fi to file trade.  imma scan the local neighborhood and find someone with weak or no encryption.  then i'll use their 'net access to run my torrent.  or worst case, i'll head down to the local coffee shop or library and chill there for an hour or so while things finish up.  I've got options...and comcast can't track me, then can (at best) maybe track where I and other evil people are using as points of access, then punish THOSE people.

so this new policy doesn't stop file trading.  not at all.  it'll hurt the innocent tho, and that's really what this is all about.




No, this is about protecting porn.

Why do you hate pron stars?
 
2013-02-28 12:48:09 PM

JinxedLynx: Forgot to add ...

I believe this policy of actions exists because the ISP does not want to be charged with aiding in the crime of copy right infringement.


The fact that this has never,  ever happened makes it obvious that there are no laws that allow for them to be charged in that fashion.
 
2013-02-28 12:48:54 PM

wingnut396: liability and other users on the network.


They have no liability as a common carrier. However, by implementing this they may lose their common carrier status and sudden gain liability.
 
2013-02-28 12:51:10 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: They have no liability as a common carrier. However, by implementing this they may lose their common carrier status and sudden gain liability.


A number of legal analysts have also suggested that there may be some significant anti-trust issues with this plan.
 
2013-02-28 12:53:17 PM

wingnut396: Is it really a browser hijack?  Sure it may look like that, but is Comcast really hijacking your browser?  I would guess they are just using their switching and monitoring environment to intercept and redirect http requests to their alert system.  If that is the case, wouldn't a VPN connection pretty much defeat this 'hijack'?


probably not. They probably just redirect all requests from your IP to their warning page.

They own your pipe after all, they don't need to own your browser to control what it can display. They just manipulate the data that reaches the browser
 
2013-02-28 01:00:22 PM

ferretman: TOR


The problem with The Onion Router is that you have to have trusted exit points. If you compromise the exit point, you get all the data.

So only use trusted exit points if you plan to use TOR.
 
2013-02-28 01:03:59 PM

fluffy2097: ferretman: TOR

The problem with The Onion Router is that you have to have trusted exit points. If you compromise the exit point, you get all the data.

So only use trusted exit points if you plan to use TOR.


Don't use TOR for torrents.

https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea  

And seriously, you're going to get better performance out of a VPN, anyway, and they're not expensive.  I can't imagine why anyone would WANT to use TOR for filesharing.
 
2013-02-28 01:05:49 PM

zyrian: What if you don't use their DNS servers? (Google public DNS, for example. 8.8.8.8)


Honestly, as a Comcast customer I've been doing that for years because Comcast's DNS servers used to go down so often.  Please GB2 lets make this GigE thing happen everywhere.  With all respect to Ghenghis Khan what is best in life undoubtably involves telling Comcast to go fark themselves.
 
2013-02-28 01:06:15 PM

fluffy2097: ferretman: TOR

The problem with The Onion Router is that you have to have trusted exit points. If you compromise the exit point, you get all the data.

So only use trusted exit points if you plan to use TOR.


From what I understand is that TOR won't help because most Bit Torrent clients write your IP address directly into the information they send to the tracker and/or to other peers.
 
2013-02-28 01:08:12 PM

the801: Comcast has chosen a browser "hijack," making it impossible for customers to browse the Internet, but without interrupting VOIP and other essential services

is that even legal? anyway, come get some. your terrorist attacks mean nothing to me. and i didn't just torrent Backdoor Sluts 9 - i ripped and upped 1-15 in 720p h.264. also, i've been seeding the entire Metallica discography for like 100 years now. i'm not even behind 2 boxxies. i'm just sitting here waiting. you wanna do this thing, comcast? i'll meet you after school by the flagpole at 4:20, and imma gonna kick your ass.


Sounds like it would be easy to prove.  The pop ups would be annoying, but technically not prevent "access" since they are only trying to get your attention (if only to say they have complaints about you).

I wonder if this would prevent other protocols though - can you still send email?  IM? etc.?  Those aren't HTTP traffic so how do they disrupt those?  My guess is they don't since everyone is convinced "The Innerweb = HTTP".
 
2013-02-28 01:12:14 PM
Annnndddd this is why I have colocated servers and VPS accounts that I use to download torrents.
 
2013-02-28 01:21:36 PM

zyrian: What if you don't use their DNS servers? (Google public DNS, for example. 8.8.8.8)


Anyone who is downloading from public trackers over an unencrypted connection is not going to use alternate DNS.
 
2013-02-28 01:21:44 PM
Also, it should be noted that courts have been increasingly intolerant of copyright plaintiff's bullshiat in filesharing cases, especially when attempting their "Copyright Holder v. 500 Does" antics.  

With that in mind, this seems like a pretty obvious attempt to do an end-run around the judicial system. 

Courts aren't finding in our favor anymore?  Let's come up with some extrajudicial way to punish people.  Bonus: No due process or burden of proof to contend with, either.
 
2013-02-28 01:26:04 PM

China White Tea: Also, it should be noted that courts have been increasingly intolerant of copyright plaintiff's bullshiat in filesharing cases, especially when attempting their "Copyright Holder v. 500 Does" antics.

With that in mind, this seems like a pretty obvious attempt to do an end-run around the judicial system.

Courts aren't finding in our favor anymore?  Let's come up with some extrajudicial way to punish people.  Bonus: No due process or burden of proof to contend with, either.



Let's not forget the 'processing fee' of I think it was $30 to have comcast remove the block / redirect.

Revenue stream.  Even if the their claim ends up being bogus and one is innocent.  Revenue stream.  Incontestable revenue stream.
 
2013-02-28 01:28:09 PM

zyrian: What if you don't use their DNS servers? (Google public DNS, for example. 8.8.8.8)


and 8.8.4.4
 
2013-02-28 01:29:43 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Oh if only there was a way to mask my IP address to prevent detection.  Who will be my prince and invent such a...

Oh.  Wait.

/me turns on VPN
/me flips off Comcast


what do you use?  I haven't even bothered to look into this, as I don't download torrents, but might start just as a matter of course.
 
2013-02-28 01:29:45 PM

MmmmBacon: Meh, the whole thing is stupid. I don't download copyrighted materials, so I'm not worried about this issue very much, but I do play some games that download their updates via a Peer-to-Peer system very similar to downloading torrents. I know I would be viciously pissed if Comcast blocked my web browsing because I happen to play games that act in a similar fashion to BitTorrent.


When you get a notice, you get a notice on a specific file, not just torrenty looking traffic.  Comcast would send you an email stating that you appear to have a pirated copy of Backdoor_Sluts_9_DVDRIP.avi on your machine.

But they could throttle your game traffic.
 
2013-02-28 01:34:31 PM

BSABSVR: Comcast would send you an email stating that you appear to have distributed a pirated copy of Backdoor_Sluts_9_DVDRIP.avi.


FTFY... They're just looking at your traffic, they're not smb'ing into your machine.
 
2013-02-28 01:37:43 PM

Theaetetus: BSABSVR: Comcast would send you an email stating that you appear to have distributed a pirated copy of Backdoor_Sluts_9_DVDRIP.avi.

FTFY... They're just looking at your traffic, they're not smb'ing into your machine.


Pretty sure they're not actually looking at your traffic (that kind of DPI would almost certainly get them assraped).

Rather, some third-party is participating in active torrents, making note of the IPs they're connecting to, and then reporting the IPs.
 
2013-02-28 01:41:25 PM
If you don't want to set up vpn on your home pc, which has its drawbacks, get a seedbox.  This gives you the benefit of incredibly fast connections (50MB/s not uncommon), able to seed torrents (for ratio sites) without affecting your isp's bandwith cap, and of course multiple methods of transferring files to your home pc via encrypted transport - including vpn!.
 
2013-02-28 01:44:43 PM
Yet another reason to want Google Fiber.

At least around here (heart of the Silicon valley), Comcast has actual competition, so they might be reluctant to be too difficult about that to the local population. Sucks to be in an area where it's Comcast or nothing.
 
2013-02-28 01:46:52 PM
Can't talk.... Downloading Backdoor Sluts off my neighbors open wireless signal.
 
2013-02-28 01:47:17 PM
Good luck!  I'm behind seven  proxies boxxies ad-blocks!
 
2013-02-28 01:47:40 PM

S_P_I_K_E: Jackpot777: S_P_I_K_E: physt: The made a 9?  How exactly do you top 8?

Dude, you're missing out.  Backdoor Sluts 9 makes Naughty Nurses 2 look like Crotch Capers 3!

I disagree. There were unanswered questions from  Backdoor Sluts 7 that Backdoor Sluts 8 hinted at a resolution to come... but Backdoor Sluts 9 totally failed to address these, or even mention them. Now we don't even know if there'll be a denouement in Backdoor Sluts 10 or if they're just planning on rebooting the whole franchise.

Also: worst refrigerator reliability in movie history. How many times are they going to send people over to fix that damned thing?

You must not read People magazine.

/obscure
//are subby and I the only ones?


That still watch South Park? No, lots of people still watch South Park.
 
2013-02-28 01:48:53 PM

Weaver95: a TOS agreement cannot trump federal law.  And I don't care HOW good a legal staff comcast has...if they break federal computer crimes laws then their CEO should go to jail for it.


And it's official. You used to be one of the most intelligent commenters here, but you've gone full retard with this post. According to you, an ISP manipulating the traffic that goes through its network is the same thing as hacking into your personal computer and breaking criminal hacking laws.

You can biatch about local monopolies, the politics of it, or ISPs being dicks about routing traffic, but when you show a fundamental ignorance of how the damned computers work and scream "hacking" you lose all your credibility.
 
2013-02-28 01:51:10 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: ArkAngel: MmmmBacon: Meh, the whole thing is stupid. I don't download copyrighted materials, so I'm not worried about this issue very much, but I do play some games that download their updates via a Peer-to-Peer system very similar to downloading torrents. I know I would be viciously pissed if Comcast blocked my web browsing because I happen to play games that act in a similar fashion to BitTorrent.

I believe you have to be reported first by one of the copyright holders, so you should be safe.

Yep.  I got popped several years ago because I was working on a class and downloaded one of those Great Lectures series on the subject for some additional info.  I got a letter from Comcast a few days later saying the Great Lectures folks had uploaded the file to the torrent site to catch people who were copyrighting.  Considering they appeared to be the only ones uploading Great Lectures series, I thought their strategy was a bit counterproductive.


What gets me about cases like that is that in the real world, that's the equivalent of someone going out in a public square with a table of cookies that said "Take one" and when someone actually does they call the cops for theft.

The whole idea is that you can't upload or distribute another individuals copyrighted content without permission. However, if you're distributing your own content, by definition you have your own permission, so anyone who takes what you're freely distributing isn't violating anything.
 
2013-02-28 01:54:43 PM

JinxedLynx: I am not clear on the specifics and i dont have access to the screen shots while i did customer support ... but I assume Comcast will do the same thing as Suddenlink is doing.
...

If you are in DMCA violation, you get redirected to a website that has you promise to not violate dmca again.  Three to five strikes and its a 6 month ban from service from the ISP.


I got no warning from Suddenlink when I was accused of a violation.  They just turned off my internet one day.  When I called to report the outage the rep told me my internet was cut off because a copyright holder accused me of torrenting their movie.  The rep was cool about it and said "Just don't do it again" and turned my service back on.

And that's the day I stopped using Demonoid.
 
2013-02-28 01:54:50 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: At least around here (heart of the Silicon valley), Comcast has actual competition, so they might be reluctant to be too difficult about that to the local population. Sucks to be in an area where it's Comcast or nothing


What is this competition of which you speak?  I'll be moving later this year, so not having to use Comcast is a positive event.
 
2013-02-28 01:55:29 PM
I'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to networking & security & all that book learnin

But didn't the RIAA lose this battle some time ago because it couldn't be proven that the owners of the cable were the ones who downloaded/shared files?  I thought the defense that someone could hack into your wifi signal pretty easily got the cases thrown out.
 
2013-02-28 01:59:32 PM

BigLuca: ferretman: Isn't there a program/service called TOR that would avoid their 'tracking'?

I'm going to start downloading a 1080p version of Avatar over TOR right now.  Cause I'll need something to watch when I retire in 40 years.


you are being throttled big time

2.5 GB 1080 vids come down pretty quickly when not being throttled 35 down 3 up
 
2013-02-28 01:59:36 PM

meyerkev: Some 'Splainin' To Do: At least around here (heart of the Silicon valley), Comcast has actual competition, so they might be reluctant to be too difficult about that to the local population. Sucks to be in an area where it's Comcast or nothing

What is this competition of which you speak?  I'll be moving later this year, so not having to use Comcast is a positive event.


There's Sonic.net Fusion and AT&T Uverse. Both are based on ADSL2+.

If you're lucky enough to live in their service areas, there's also Monkey Brains and WebPass, both of which offer "air fiber" high speed wireless. Those are both mostly in SF and both require changes to your building, which blows for us renters.
 
2013-02-28 02:00:28 PM

swaxhog: able to seed torrents (for ratio sites) without affecting your isp's bandwith cap


Hmmm.... please go on!
 
2013-02-28 02:05:56 PM

likefunbutnot: BigLuca: Hidemyass

Hidemyass is one of MANY vpn providers that keeps logs and will readily provide them.

If you're going to go looking for a VPN service, you really need to scrutinize their privacy policies to see what you're actually getting.


And it's a lot like web hosting, in that it's freaking impossible to find any kind of objective reviews that aren't thinly disguised shills for one service or other.



Might this be helpful?
 
2013-02-28 02:07:30 PM

BigLuca: Can we turn this thread into a review of the best VPNs?
Hidemyass? btguard?


I've been using StrongVPN for a few years now. They do get DMCA notices every once in a while but their solution thus far has been to send me a warning letter saying "nothing will be done". I imagine this is them telling the MPAA to go f*ck themselves.

I also noticed that, magically, my youtube and netflix streams don't stutter when I'm connected to VPN as opposed to bare over Cumcast's network.
 
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