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(Torrent Freak)   Comcast continues to choke down their endless bag of dicks, as they announce plans to hijack user's browsers if they dare torrent Backdoor Sluts 9   (torrentfreak.com) divider line 193
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2013-02-28 02:38:16 AM
Comcast has chosen a browser "hijack," making it impossible for customers to browse the Internet, but without interrupting VOIP and other essential services

is that even legal? anyway, come get some. your terrorist attacks mean nothing to me. and i didn't just torrent Backdoor Sluts 9 - i ripped and upped 1-15 in 720p h.264. also, i've been seeding the entire Metallica discography for like 100 years now. i'm not even behind 2 boxxies. i'm just sitting here waiting. you wanna do this thing, comcast? i'll meet you after school by the flagpole at 4:20, and imma gonna kick your ass.
 
2013-02-28 03:02:24 AM
Meh, the whole thing is stupid. I don't download copyrighted materials, so I'm not worried about this issue very much, but I do play some games that download their updates via a Peer-to-Peer system very similar to downloading torrents. I know I would be viciously pissed if Comcast blocked my web browsing because I happen to play games that act in a similar fashion to BitTorrent.
 
2013-02-28 09:40:21 AM

MmmmBacon: Meh, the whole thing is stupid. I don't download copyrighted materials, so I'm not worried about this issue very much, but I do play some games that download their updates via a Peer-to-Peer system very similar to downloading torrents. I know I would be viciously pissed if Comcast blocked my web browsing because I happen to play games that act in a similar fashion to BitTorrent.


I believe you have to be reported first by one of the copyright holders, so you should be safe.
 
2013-02-28 10:11:36 AM
so essentially comcast is making it worth the effort to hijack other people's wifi hotspots and use them when hosting a torrent...?

great jorb guys!
 
2013-02-28 10:14:05 AM
Remember its not illegal as long as no one successfully sues.
 
2013-02-28 10:24:37 AM
Should be an easy way to stop the pop-ups.
 
2013-02-28 10:26:02 AM
farking vpns, how do they work?

/ Even if you don't torrent, you should be using a vpn
// Small cost for much better privacy
 
2013-02-28 10:33:11 AM

Walker: Should be an easy way to stop the pop-ups.


why bother in the first place?  look - if i'm an evil file trader, i'm not gonna use MY wi-fi to file trade.  imma scan the local neighborhood and find someone with weak or no encryption.  then i'll use their 'net access to run my torrent.  or worst case, i'll head down to the local coffee shop or library and chill there for an hour or so while things finish up.  I've got options...and comcast can't track me, then can (at best) maybe track where I and other evil people are using as points of access, then punish THOSE people.

so this new policy doesn't stop file trading.  not at all.  it'll hurt the innocent tho, and that's really what this is all about.
 
2013-02-28 10:38:37 AM
Is it really a browser hijack?  Sure it may look like that, but is Comcast really hijacking your browser?  I would guess they are just using their switching and monitoring environment to intercept and redirect http requests to their alert system.  If that is the case, wouldn't a VPN connection pretty much defeat this 'hijack'?
 
2013-02-28 10:42:26 AM

wingnut396: Is it really a browser hijack?  Sure it may look like that, but is Comcast really hijacking your browser?  I would guess they are just using their switching and monitoring environment to intercept and redirect http requests to their alert system.  If that is the case, wouldn't a VPN connection pretty much defeat this 'hijack'?


I have a better question - how does this policy NOT violate currently existing computer crimes laws?  if comcast is hacking your browser and redirecting your communications...well, if I did that I'm pretty sure someone would find me and throw me in jail.  but a corporation does it and suddenly the law doesn't apply?
 
2013-02-28 10:45:05 AM
I thought this was why we, er, other people enable bittorrent client encryption.
 
2013-02-28 10:49:20 AM

Weaver95: wingnut396: Is it really a browser hijack?  Sure it may look like that, but is Comcast really hijacking your browser?  I would guess they are just using their switching and monitoring environment to intercept and redirect http requests to their alert system.  If that is the case, wouldn't a VPN connection pretty much defeat this 'hijack'?

I have a better question - how does this policy NOT violate currently existing computer crimes laws?  if comcast is hacking your browser and redirecting your communications...well, if I did that I'm pretty sure someone would find me and throw me in jail.  but a corporation does it and suddenly the law doesn't apply?


I would imagine it is the TOS to 'protect the network for all users' or some such.  That and their lawyers will be better than yours.
 
2013-02-28 10:59:30 AM
Oh if only there was a way to mask my IP address to prevent detection.  Who will be my prince and invent such a...

Oh.  Wait.

/me turns on VPN
/me flips off Comcast
 
2013-02-28 10:59:32 AM

wingnut396: Weaver95: wingnut396: Is it really a browser hijack?  Sure it may look like that, but is Comcast really hijacking your browser?  I would guess they are just using their switching and monitoring environment to intercept and redirect http requests to their alert system.  If that is the case, wouldn't a VPN connection pretty much defeat this 'hijack'?

I have a better question - how does this policy NOT violate currently existing computer crimes laws?  if comcast is hacking your browser and redirecting your communications...well, if I did that I'm pretty sure someone would find me and throw me in jail.  but a corporation does it and suddenly the law doesn't apply?

I would imagine it is the TOS to 'protect the network for all users' or some such.  That and their lawyers will be better than yours.


a TOS agreement cannot trump federal law.  And I don't care HOW good a legal staff comcast has...if they break federal computer crimes laws then their CEO should go to jail for it.
 
2013-02-28 10:59:47 AM
What if you don't use their DNS servers? (Google public DNS, for example. 8.8.8.8)
 
2013-02-28 11:02:04 AM
Corporations are people too, except when it comes to breaking the law.

Frankly, i'm surprised more people havent caught on to this idea and incorporated themselves. Then you could murder a dozen prostitutes, dump toxic waste in the yard of a neighbor who pissed you off, never pay taxes, and eat a baby (all before noon) and still weasle your way out of responsibility for all of it.
 
2013-02-28 11:02:32 AM
Can we turn this thread into a review of the best VPNs?
Hidemyass? btguard?
 
2013-02-28 11:03:28 AM

ArkAngel: MmmmBacon: Meh, the whole thing is stupid. I don't download copyrighted materials, so I'm not worried about this issue very much, but I do play some games that download their updates via a Peer-to-Peer system very similar to downloading torrents. I know I would be viciously pissed if Comcast blocked my web browsing because I happen to play games that act in a similar fashion to BitTorrent.

I believe you have to be reported first by one of the copyright holders, so you should be safe.


Maybe. Except that copyright holders (Disney, Universal, etc.) file "John Doe" suits, and then subpoena the records of ISPs for torrent activity. If the plaintiff copyright holder doesn't like what it sees, it files a DMCA notice and takedown, which then probably counts as one of the "six strikes" that Comcast is locking up your browser based on. There really isn't any entity looking out for the consumer or for fairness at any of these stages. If you use bittorrent for totally legal stuff, you could still probably get caught in the cross-hairs of this stuff.
 
2013-02-28 11:04:04 AM
FTA:  "However, the ISP stresses that no accounts will be terminated under the copyright alert program. "We will never use account termination as a mitigation measure under the CAS. "

Oh, whew.  They will continue to allow me to pay them while they refuse to provide the service for which I am paying.  They won't stop charging me, at least!  What a relief.  As long as they keep getting their money, I'm happy.  I'd hate for Comcast to suffer.
 
2013-02-28 11:04:47 AM

Weaver95: Walker: Should be an easy way to stop the pop-ups.

why bother in the first place?  look - if i'm an evil file trader, i'm not gonna use MY wi-fi to file trade.  imma scan the local neighborhood and find someone with weak or no encryption.  then i'll use their 'net access to run my torrent.  or worst case, i'll head down to the local coffee shop or library and chill there for an hour or so while things finish up.  I've got options...and comcast can't track me, then can (at best) maybe track where I and other evil people are using as points of access, then punish THOSE people.

so this new policy doesn't stop file trading.  not at all.  it'll hurt the innocent tho, and that's really what this is all about.


I am not clear on the specifics and i dont have access to the screen shots while i did customer support ... but I assume Comcast will do the same thing as Suddenlink is doing.

SuddenLink's DMCA policy

If you are in DMCA violation, you get redirected to a website that has you promise to not violate dmca again.  Three to five strikes and its a 6 month ban from service from the ISP.

This is done by a configuration file in the cable modem.  I believe they just making all routing tables point to internal website ... no need to touch user's equipment (unless its user's modem, but you still receive the file from ISP) . This file is usually reset once a day and every time the modem loses power, so a self fix method is a bit tedious.
 
2013-02-28 11:04:47 AM

Weaver95: I have a better question - how does this policy NOT violate currently existing computer crimes laws?


IANAL, but any request you make over the Internet through an ISP is just that -- a request.  You can claim your browsing habits are none of the government's business (good luck with that BTW), but the ISP must have visibility into your requests to process them in the first place.  As long as they're not using or distributing the information in illegal ways that have more to do with discrimination or identity theft than service, they're good.  So strike that.
It's not "hijacking" in the sense most people believe because the browser's first activity is to establish a connection with the ISP, at which point the ISP can respond by sending whatever HTTP content it wants.  Most don't but a common exception are the login screens you get when you try to use a hotel's connection -- your first request gets redirected to a login page.  In this case it's sending an obnoxious pop-up and filtering your other requests.  Technically this is rather routine -- a web server can do the same thing -- though I never expected an ISP to do it.  It's really drastic.

They're not invading your privacy beyond legal limits, they're not physically altering your browser, and they're not doing anything to the content you're requesting, per se.  This is really more like a Denial of Service or a security policy gone horribly wrong; much like your local utility cutting off the power for some reason or other.  They're entitled to do that.  The only real alternative is to say "fark you Comcast" and switch providers due to bad quality of service, except they have a monopoly in many areas so most people are screwed.  However, this is something people have been screaming about for years while the only entity with the power to bust up the residential ISPs -- the federal government -- has absolutely zero inclination to do anything about it.
 
2013-02-28 11:06:55 AM

zyrian: What if you don't use their DNS servers? (Google public DNS, for example. 8.8.8.8)


I expect they send their pop-ups in response to any port 80/443 requests. They don't need to mess with your DNS lookups.

That said, I use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 for all my DNS lookups as my ISP started hijacking failed lookups and sending me to ad pages.
 
2013-02-28 11:07:32 AM
Forgot to add ...

I believe this policy of actions exists because the ISP does not want to be charged with aiding in the crime of copy right infringement.
 
2013-02-28 11:08:13 AM

Weaver95: a TOS agreement cannot trump federal law.  And I don't care HOW good a legal staff comcast has...if they break federal computer crimes laws then their CEO should go to jail for it.


That is my point.  If they just identify your cable modem for a redirect on port 80/443 because you have been identified as a threat sender or some such, I doubt they are breaking any hacking laws.  This is a sensible action to take on a network that does not require any inspection of what you are doing or going.  As much I hate to white knight an ISP, they really do have to take some actions to protect both themselves from liability and other users on the network.   As it says, the system was claimed to have been designed to alert people to when they were infected and where threat senders so they could take action and clean their system.  Should Comcast not do anything about threat traffic either?

If they were installing software on your system without your consent to do the same, like the Sony rootkit, I would agree that it would be very concerning.

As far as breaking laws and the CEO going to jail.  I'm sure Tony Hayward will be reporting to a Federal PMITA prison any day now...
 
2013-02-28 11:14:14 AM
so can i just AdBlock this?
 
2013-02-28 11:14:28 AM
Lesee.... $80/year gets me unlimited access to a great VPN service. Yup, fark you TimeWarner Cable. I'll just bury my activities, thanks.
 
2013-02-28 11:16:11 AM

wingnut396: Is it really a browser hijack?  Sure it may look like that, but is Comcast really hijacking your browser?  I would guess they are just using their switching and monitoring environment to intercept and redirect http requests to their alert system.  If that is the case, wouldn't a VPN connection pretty much defeat this 'hijack'?


That's exactly what this sounds like.
 
2013-02-28 11:16:29 AM
The made a 9?  How exactly do you top 8?
 
2013-02-28 11:20:53 AM

Weaver95: wingnut396: Is it really a browser hijack?  Sure it may look like that, but is Comcast really hijacking your browser?  I would guess they are just using their switching and monitoring environment to intercept and redirect http requests to their alert system.  If that is the case, wouldn't a VPN connection pretty much defeat this 'hijack'?

I have a better question - how does this policy NOT violate currently existing computer crimes laws?  if comcast is hacking your browser and redirecting your communications...well, if I did that I'm pretty sure someone would find me and throw me in jail.  but a corporation does it and suddenly the law doesn't apply?


They're not hacking your browser, they're doing a redirect. Same exact thing you get half the time when you go to a public wifi spot, fire up a browser and go to google.com and get redirected to the wifi provider's splash page asking for that day's code or to look at an advertisement or whatnot. The redirection happens entirely outside your browser - your computer thinks it's actually displaying google's home page to you.
 
2013-02-28 11:21:09 AM

ArkAngel: MmmmBacon: Meh, the whole thing is stupid. I don't download copyrighted materials, so I'm not worried about this issue very much, but I do play some games that download their updates via a Peer-to-Peer system very similar to downloading torrents. I know I would be viciously pissed if Comcast blocked my web browsing because I happen to play games that act in a similar fashion to BitTorrent.

I believe you have to be reported first by one of the copyright holders, so you should be safe.


Yep.  I got popped several years ago because I was working on a class and downloaded one of those Great Lectures series on the subject for some additional info.  I got a letter from Comcast a few days later saying the Great Lectures folks had uploaded the file to the torrent site to catch people who were copyrighting.  Considering they appeared to be the only ones uploading Great Lectures series, I thought their strategy was a bit counterproductive.
 
2013-02-28 11:24:07 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Considering they appeared to be the only ones uploading Great Lectures series, I thought their strategy was a bit counterproductive.


Sounds like the internet version of "Fast and Furious".... only with less people getting killed.
 
2013-02-28 11:24:15 AM

Theaetetus: Weaver95: wingnut396: Is it really a browser hijack?  Sure it may look like that, but is Comcast really hijacking your browser?  I would guess they are just using their switching and monitoring environment to intercept and redirect http requests to their alert system.  If that is the case, wouldn't a VPN connection pretty much defeat this 'hijack'?

I have a better question - how does this policy NOT violate currently existing computer crimes laws?  if comcast is hacking your browser and redirecting your communications...well, if I did that I'm pretty sure someone would find me and throw me in jail.  but a corporation does it and suddenly the law doesn't apply?

They're not hacking your browser, they're doing a redirect. Same exact thing you get half the time when you go to a public wifi spot, fire up a browser and go to google.com and get redirected to the wifi provider's splash page asking for that day's code or to look at an advertisement or whatnot. The redirection happens entirely outside your browser - your computer thinks it's actually displaying google's home page to you.


so if I were to find a way to pull this off and redirect Disney's home page to Brazzers.com...it's all good and legal?
 
2013-02-28 11:24:36 AM

physt: The made a 9?  How exactly do you top 8?


Dude, you're missing out.  Backdoor Sluts 9 makes Naughty Nurses 2 look like Crotch Capers 3!
 
2013-02-28 11:25:23 AM

BigLuca: Hidemy

ass

Hidemyass is one of MANY vpn providers that keeps logs and will readily provide them.
If you're going to go looking for a VPN service, you really need to scrutinize their privacy policies to see what you're actually getting.

And it's a lot like web hosting, in that it's freaking impossible to find any kind of objective reviews that aren't thinly disguised shills for one service or other.
 
2013-02-28 11:25:45 AM

endosymbiont: Except that copyright holders (Disney, Universal, etc.) file "John Doe" suits, and then subpoena the records of ISPs for torrent activity. If the plaintiff copyright holder doesn't like what it sees, it files a DMCA notice and takedown, which then probably counts as one of the "six strikes" that Comcast is locking up your browser based on.


Other way around... The copyright holders can't simply subpoena the records of ISPs on a fishing trip - to get that subpoena, they have to show that their copyrighted work was distributed by a specific IP address, and then they subpoena the records to find out which ISP subscriber had that IP at the time. Plus, as you know, filing those suits are a lot more expensive than sending a DMCA takedown.

Additionally, DMCA takedowns don't really apply to torrents. They're part of the safe harbor provisions for when a site is  hosting copyrighted material, like YouTube.

No, what they do is search someplace like pirate bay for one of their own copyrighted works, and then start downloading that file from the swarm, keeping track of all the source IPs of the seeders. Then* they file the suit to find those IPs.

*or rather, they search around for everything else shared by that same source IP, because it's a lot better to go after someone distributing 30 or 40 works than to go after someone distributing a single one.
 
2013-02-28 11:27:03 AM
People, get PEERBLOCK already!
 
2013-02-28 11:28:05 AM

Weaver95: Theaetetus: Weaver95: wingnut396: Is it really a browser hijack?  Sure it may look like that, but is Comcast really hijacking your browser?  I would guess they are just using their switching and monitoring environment to intercept and redirect http requests to their alert system.  If that is the case, wouldn't a VPN connection pretty much defeat this 'hijack'?

I have a better question - how does this policy NOT violate currently existing computer crimes laws?  if comcast is hacking your browser and redirecting your communications...well, if I did that I'm pretty sure someone would find me and throw me in jail.  but a corporation does it and suddenly the law doesn't apply?

They're not hacking your browser, they're doing a redirect. Same exact thing you get half the time when you go to a public wifi spot, fire up a browser and go to google.com and get redirected to the wifi provider's splash page asking for that day's code or to look at an advertisement or whatnot. The redirection happens entirely outside your browser - your computer thinks it's actually displaying google's home page to you.

so if I were to find a way to pull this off and redirect Disney's home page to Brazzers.com...it's all good and legal?


If you owned the router upstream of Disney's home page, then yes.
For example, you probably own a home router. You can freely add a DNS table to it to do that redirect, and anyone on your home network will get porn instead of princesses, and that's completely legal.

However, you probably don't own the router at Disney's ISP, so you'd have to hack into someone  else's computer to change that, and that would be illegal.

Basically, you can modify your own gear so that it sends incorrect responses to anyone asking  it for information, but you can't modify others'.
 
2013-02-28 11:28:31 AM

Weaver95: so if I were to find a way to pull this off and redirect Disney's home page to Brazzers.com...it's all good and legal?


If you own the network, yeah, you can.
 
2013-02-28 11:28:51 AM

Weaver95: so if I were to find a way to pull this off and redirect Disney's home page to Brazzers.com...it's all good and legal


If people were trying to use your system to get to Disney, yes.
 
2013-02-28 11:30:09 AM
Theaetetus:
However, you probably don't own the router at Disney's ISP, so you'd have to hack into someone  else's computer to change that, and that would be illegal.

how about I just do some sort of variant on a 'man in the middle' attack?  I just have to interpose my router in between Disney and their ISP, the Brazzers get a WHOLE lot more traffic.
 
2013-02-28 11:31:44 AM

Weaver95: wingnut396: Weaver95: wingnut396: Is it really a browser hijack?  Sure it may look like that, but is Comcast really hijacking your browser?  I would guess they are just using their switching and monitoring environment to intercept and redirect http requests to their alert system.  If that is the case, wouldn't a VPN connection pretty much defeat this 'hijack'?

I have a better question - how does this policy NOT violate currently existing computer crimes laws?  if comcast is hacking your browser and redirecting your communications...well, if I did that I'm pretty sure someone would find me and throw me in jail.  but a corporation does it and suddenly the law doesn't apply?

I would imagine it is the TOS to 'protect the network for all users' or some such.  That and their lawyers will be better than yours.

a TOS agreement cannot trump federal law.  And I don't care HOW good a legal staff comcast has...if they break federal computer crimes laws then their CEO should go to jail for it.


Consent.  Me stealing your car is against the law. You agreeing to lend me your car is legal. That is not "trumping federal law" as the laws on such matters include "without consent" as a condition. (Some matters, like murder cannot be consented to)
Your contract with your ISP will include conditions about not using your connection for illegal purposes and giving them the right to interrupt or suspend access if you do. You have consented to this.
 
2013-02-28 11:34:04 AM

Weaver95: Theaetetus:
However, you probably don't own the router at Disney's ISP, so you'd have to hack into someone  else's computer to change that, and that would be illegal.

how about I just do some sort of variant on a 'man in the middle' attack?  I just have to interpose my router in between Disney and their ISP, the Brazzers get a WHOLE lot more traffic.


That's what you're doing when the clients are on your home network. If you can figure out some way to legally interpose your router between Disney and their ISP, then have at it. But I can tell you, it's going to involve some breaking and entering, and that ends that whole "legally" bit.
 
2013-02-28 11:35:00 AM

Flint Ironstag: (Some matters, like murder cannot be consented to)


Consider euthanasia as a caveat to that.
 
2013-02-28 11:40:02 AM

S_P_I_K_E: physt: The made a 9?  How exactly do you top 8?

Dude, you're missing out.  Backdoor Sluts 9 makes Naughty Nurses 2 look like Crotch Capers 3!


I disagree. There were unanswered questions from  Backdoor Sluts 7 that Backdoor Sluts 8 hinted at a resolution to come... but Backdoor Sluts 9 totally failed to address these, or even mention them. Now we don't even know if there'll be a denouement in Backdoor Sluts 10 or if they're just planning on rebooting the whole franchise.

Also: worst refrigerator reliability in movie history. How many times are they going to send people over to fix that damned thing?
 
2013-02-28 11:40:28 AM

FeedTheCollapse: so can i just AdBlock this?


You can probably block the pop-up, but if the ISP is blackholing all your requests, you haven't really made much progress.
 
2013-02-28 11:41:17 AM

Flint Ironstag: Your contract with your ISP will include conditions about not using your connection for illegal purposes and giving them the right to interrupt or suspend access if you do. You have consented to this.


And there's the rub. There is a LOT of stuff your ISP limits, actually... you'd be kind surprised if you take some time and read the User Agreement.
 
2013-02-28 11:41:25 AM

Theaetetus: If you can figure out some way to legally interpose your router between Disney and their ISP, then have at it. But I can tell you, it's going to involve some breaking and entering, and that ends that whole "legally" bit.


Once upon a time, I was a contractor for ABC Radio, a Disney company. While I was there, a 6U Cisco router in the offices I was responsible for started to fail. Disney's WAN guys didn't even know it was on their network, wouldn't believe it was part of their network since it wasn't in their documentation and actually accused me of putting unauthorized equipment on their network. Because, you know, $50,000, 100lb. routers are super-easy to come by.

So what I'm saying is, it might not be as hard as you'd think.
 
2013-02-28 11:42:39 AM

likefunbutnot: Theaetetus: If you can figure out some way to legally interpose your router between Disney and their ISP, then have at it. But I can tell you, it's going to involve some breaking and entering, and that ends that whole "legally" bit.

Once upon a time, I was a contractor for ABC Radio, a Disney company. While I was there, a 6U Cisco router in the offices I was responsible for started to fail. Disney's WAN guys didn't even know it was on their network, wouldn't believe it was part of their network since it wasn't in their documentation and actually accused me of putting unauthorized equipment on their network. Because, you know, $50,000, 100lb. routers are super-easy to come by.

So what I'm saying is, it might not be as hard as you'd think.


No, no, it's probably pretty easy. Just not legal. ;)
 
2013-02-28 11:47:39 AM

Jackpot777: S_P_I_K_E: physt: The made a 9?  How exactly do you top 8?

Dude, you're missing out.  Backdoor Sluts 9 makes Naughty Nurses 2 look like Crotch Capers 3!

I disagree. There were unanswered questions from  Backdoor Sluts 7 that Backdoor Sluts 8 hinted at a resolution to come... but Backdoor Sluts 9 totally failed to address these, or even mention them. Now we don't even know if there'll be a denouement in Backdoor Sluts 10 or if they're just planning on rebooting the whole franchise.

Also: worst refrigerator reliability in movie history. How many times are they going to send people over to fix that damned thing?


You must not read People magazine.

/obscure
//are subby and I the only ones?
 
2013-02-28 11:50:00 AM
back door sluts 9?  I read about it in Time
 
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