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2013-02-27 09:40:49 PM  
"Golden State Killer"? That's the name you came up with? EAR/ONS was working fine.

But aside from that, this is one SOB who needs to be locked up (if he isn't already or dead).

/I remember one Farker (in another thread where EAR/ONS was discussed) telling the story of his/her mom, living near Sacramento during the crimes, scaring a prowler away using a shotgun, and how she believed that man to be the rapist/killer
 
2013-02-27 09:41:33 PM  
dramboxf:

Would anyone have an issue if we took a DNA sample from every. single. person. that dies? Either in the ER, or at home, or at the funeral home -- wherever. If you no longer have a heartbeat, we take a cheek swab and it gets entered into the CA and FBI DNA databases.

Hasn't that already started with the still-living? If so why duplicate those efforts?

It gives me the creeps when parents voluntarily register their little kids' fingerprints "just in case."

But with the dead, although I'm opposed on principle I can't find a practical reason to object.

Besides, registering the fact that the dead have no rights brings us one step closer to the Soylent Green solution. Which, given the Obamacare "debacle" and people getting arrested to get life-saving medical treatment, can't come too soon.
 
2013-02-27 09:43:34 PM  
Reading through an EAR/ONS dedicated website, I came across this little gem, which leads me to believe that the killer is on Fark right now and we don't even know it...

/read the headline if you don't get it...
 
2013-02-27 09:50:04 PM  

Arthen: Where my grammar Nazis at?  . . . comedian Patton Oswalt's wife, not what you done said.


NashMcGash, moost be silpping.
 
2013-02-27 09:56:14 PM  
Did anyone actually click on that link at  http://www.ear-ons.com/ that says "If you are the East Area Rapist click here"? I'll admit I was too much of a pussy to click it, but I want to know what it goes to.
 
2013-02-27 09:58:18 PM  

dramboxf: FARK rebel soldier: The obvious objection is next of kin's right to do whatever with the body but I wouldn't care.

That's not entirely true. I can't stuff my dead mother and mount her on the mantel. If it's part of the embalming process and proper chain of custody is kept... just saying, I think it's worth a discussion somewhere. I think the big question now is manpower. Just how many people die in a given day in say, NYC or LA?


Son, we need to have a talk.
 
2013-02-27 09:59:26 PM  

RealAmericanHero: Did anyone actually click on that link at  http://www.ear-ons.com/ that says "If you are the East Area Rapist click here"? I'll admit I was too much of a pussy to click it, but I want to know what it goes to.


"If you are the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker,
your many victims need closure.

Please contact me here."
 
2013-02-27 10:04:06 PM  

Minerva8918: freetomato: Well, at least this case was impetus for a DNA database from the CA prison population. Not sure (and not of a mind to research it now) how many states do that now. I'd be ok with it being nationwide. It could free many innocents, and clear up many old cases.

Where IS this bastard?

By coincidence, my uncle is a retired Vallejo CA cop who worked a Zodiac crime. He was obsessed with the case and has theories that have been quoted by authors on the subject.

I went to her website http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm?page=cases&id=197 which then led me to http://www.lamag.com/killer/ which released evidence not-yet-seen/heard by public until this morning at 9am when they did release it!

Check it out tomorrow when you are in regular state of mind lol



Minerva, your links made me drag my exhausted, DoD civilian-full-of-worries butt upstairs to my office to look at your links. You sound like you get a bit obsessive like me - *fist bump*.  It is a fascinating case.

I think he's dead.  I hope he is, and I hope he died horribly - maybe he got his dick caught in a meat grinder, and nobody found him till he'd rotted and flies ate his eyeballs and lips.  Something awful, protracted and torturous. The families need closure.  I can't imagine how awful it would be for the family members of any unsolved murder.  Or rape, for that matter.

I am for the death penalty IF beyond a reasonable doubt a horrific crime, or series of crimes, can be unimpeachably be proven (DNA). There are some monsters in our world that just do not deserve to share the oxygen of decent humans.  But be 100% farkin' sure they are guilty. EAR/ONS - if he is still alive - he deserves the severest penalty.  Which in CA is dying of old age on death row.....:(
 
2013-02-27 10:07:13 PM  

LordOfThePings: "If you are the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker,
your many victims need closure.

Please contact me here."


Ah, a bit of an anti-climax, but thanks!
 
2013-02-27 10:08:47 PM  

Paris1127: "Golden State Killer"? That's the name you came up with? EAR/ONS was working fine.

But aside from that, this is one SOB who needs to be locked up (if he isn't already or dead).

/I remember one Farker (in another thread where EAR/ONS was discussed) telling the story of his/her mom, living near Sacramento during the crimes, scaring a prowler away using a shotgun, and how she believed that man to be the rapist/killer


That would be me.  The hairs on the back of my neck rise whenever I think about the look on my mom's face when I woke up the next morning.
 
2013-02-27 10:10:07 PM  

Slam1263: Son, we need to have a talk.


She used to say that we should stuff her and put her in her chair at the head of the Thanksgiving table. She was visibly, actually upset when she found out that it would be illegal to do so.
 
2013-02-27 10:10:09 PM  

LordOfThePings: RealAmericanHero: Did anyone actually click on that link at  http://www.ear-ons.com/ that says "If you are the East Area Rapist click here"? I'll admit I was too much of a pussy to click it, but I want to know what it goes to.

"If you are the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker,
your many victims need closure.

Please contact me here."


Your IP has been logged. Expect a knock on the door soon.
 
2013-02-27 10:11:33 PM  

freetomato: Paris1127: "Golden State Killer"? That's the name you came up with? EAR/ONS was working fine.

But aside from that, this is one SOB who needs to be locked up (if he isn't already or dead).

/I remember one Farker (in another thread where EAR/ONS was discussed) telling the story of his/her mom, living near Sacramento during the crimes, scaring a prowler away using a shotgun, and how she believed that man to be the rapist/killer

That would be me.  The hairs on the back of my neck rise whenever I think about the look on my mom's face when I woke up the next morning.


Ah yes, right. I hope I didn't creep you out by bringing it up (and recounting a story told to me by an internet stranger on a forum many years ago)
 
2013-02-27 10:11:52 PM  

Paris1127: LordOfThePings: RealAmericanHero: Did anyone actually click on that link at  http://www.ear-ons.com/ that says "If you are the East Area Rapist click here"? I'll admit I was too much of a pussy to click it, but I want to know what it goes to.

"If you are the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker,
your many victims need closure.

Please contact me here."

Your IP has been logged. Expect a knock on the door soon.


My alibi is I was in pre-school.
 
2013-02-27 10:18:49 PM  

Paris1127: freetomato: Paris1127: "Golden State Killer"? That's the name you came up with? EAR/ONS was working fine.

But aside from that, this is one SOB who needs to be locked up (if he isn't already or dead).

/I remember one Farker (in another thread where EAR/ONS was discussed) telling the story of his/her mom, living near Sacramento during the crimes, scaring a prowler away using a shotgun, and how she believed that man to be the rapist/killer

That would be me.  The hairs on the back of my neck rise whenever I think about the look on my mom's face when I woke up the next morning.

Ah yes, right. I hope I didn't creep you out by bringing it up (and recounting a story told to me by an internet stranger on a forum many years ago)



If our random discussion helps to find this monster in any way shape or form, BRING IT.  I wasn't a direct victim but anything that might shed light, be it first hand experience or outside analysis, is good.  EAR is the boogie man of my childhood - much worse to others.
 
2013-02-27 10:23:46 PM  

freetomato: Minerva8918: freetomato: Well, at least this case was impetus for a DNA database from the CA prison population. Not sure (and not of a mind to research it now) how many states do that now. I'd be ok with it being nationwide. It could free many innocents, and clear up many old cases.

Where IS this bastard?

By coincidence, my uncle is a retired Vallejo CA cop who worked a Zodiac crime. He was obsessed with the case and has theories that have been quoted by authors on the subject.

I went to her website http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm?page=cases&id=197 which then led me to http://www.lamag.com/killer/ which released evidence not-yet-seen/heard by public until this morning at 9am when they did release it!

Check it out tomorrow when you are in regular state of mind lol


Minerva, your links made me drag my exhausted, DoD civilian-full-of-worries butt upstairs to my office to look at your links. You sound like you get a bit obsessive like me - *fist bump*.  It is a fascinating case.

I think he's dead.  I hope he is, and I hope he died horribly - maybe he got his dick caught in a meat grinder, and nobody found him till he'd rotted and flies ate his eyeballs and lips.  Something awful, protracted and torturous. The families need closure.  I can't imagine how awful it would be for the family members of any unsolved murder.  Or rape, for that matter.

I am for the death penalty IF beyond a reasonable doubt a horrific crime, or series of crimes, can be unimpeachably be proven (DNA). There are some monsters in our world that just do not deserve to share the oxygen of decent humans.  But be 100% farkin' sure they are guilty. EAR/ONS - if he is still alive - he deserves the severest penalty.  Which in CA is dying of old age on death row.....:(



LOL! I like the way you think!! It was noted though, that victims said he was not well endowed, so chances are that if he did get it stuck in a meat-grinder, he wouldn't have been far behind in going in (which wouldn't bother me!).

I can get a little obsessive about some things, but I guess I just like to pass along any info or other crap I come across which I think may interest someone else who is already interested in whatever it is (if that made any sense!)

Sorry about making you get up =\ I hope the other links about the story with the previously undisclosed evidence were worth it though!
 
2013-02-27 10:35:32 PM  
Anybody else watching dark minds on Investigation Discovery... This is the case they're discussing.
 
2013-02-27 10:38:06 PM  

Minerva8918: LOL! I like the way you think!!


Back at you!

I'll be watching fark for my kindred spirit henceforth.

I'm out.
 
2013-02-27 10:42:30 PM  

shopball: Anybody else watching dark minds on Investigation Discovery... This is the case they're discussing.


Duly noted.  I'll find it.  If my mom hadn't been a badass with a shotgun, that freak could have raped all of us.
 
kth
2013-02-27 10:48:41 PM  

whither_apophis: 50 rapes, 10 murders, no arrests. Long Island serial killer: 10 murders, no leads. Green River Killer: 48 murders and they only got him when technology improved. BTK: missed the attention and basically stupided himself to jail. Any number of serial killers in the trucking industry, roaming around.

Not quite as tidy as CSI makes out.


Re: BTK
What, he erased the church stuff with his name on it before he sent the disk to the police. How was he to know the police would be so nosy?

My dad helped with some info gathering at btk's alma mater on the day of the arrest and apparently spent the day making fun of the stupid. Fun fact: they weren't allowed to use his name for fear of leaks, so they called him the dog catcher.
 
2013-02-27 11:11:12 PM  

freetomato: shopball: Anybody else watching dark minds on Investigation Discovery... This is the case they're discussing.

Duly noted.  I'll find it.  If my mom hadn't been a badass with a shotgun, that freak could have raped all of us.


Do you remember when this occurred? The list on the website has the Citrus Heights attacks as occurring between September '76 and January '77; is it one of those? Or is the rape that took place later that night on the list?

Also: is Dark Minds the show hosted by M. William Phelps with the serial killer who calls in to give his take?
 
2013-02-27 11:54:24 PM  
I' h'a'v'e' t'o' r'e'a'd' t'h'a't' h'e'a'd'l'i'n'e' a'g'a'i'n'.'

/and again
 
2013-02-28 12:52:47 AM  
Tsar_Bomba1:
1. Is dead.
2. Incarcerated.
3. Had a stroke and is an invalid.
4. Retired from killing.

Number 4 is probably the most least likely.  These guys seldom stop or find that they've had enough to satisfy them.  As they grow in their crimes they perfect their modus operandi and get better and better.  Something doesn't work the first time they will evaluate what went wrong and why and make a better plan. The other reason 4 is probably unlikely is eventually these individuals get to a point that they think they'll never get caught, and at some point they will get sloppy or make a big mistake.

A lot of times serial killers want to get caught. ONS does not want to be caught. I bet he is someone in a position of authority, like a policeman.
 
2013-02-28 01:56:35 AM  
I totally get her fascination with this case. I love true crime, and several years ago, went through a phase where I was addicted to Investigation Discovery (don't think it's on anymore). I also had a friend who was into that stuff and we'd talk about cases we'd watched or read about. We joked that if either of us wanted to commit a crime, we knew who to call for help.
 
2013-02-28 02:00:46 AM  

No Such Agency: To zero in on a victim he often entered the home beforehand when no one was there, learning the layout, studying family pictures, and memorizing names. Victims received hang-up or disturbing phone calls before and after they were attacked. He disabled porch lights and unlocked windows. He emptied bullets from guns. He hid shoelaces or rope under cushions to use as ligatures. These maneuvers gave him a crucial advantage because when you woke from a deep sleep to the blinding flashlight and ski-masked presence, he was always a stranger to you, but you were not to him.

Well THAT'S not creepy as hell or anything O_o


As a girl who lives alone and is getting ready to go to bed, when I reached that part I had to stop.

I'll finish tomorrow in the daylight....in public. Yeah *nervous chuckle*

/quadruple checking my doors and windows and locks now
 
2013-02-28 02:06:40 AM  
Patton Oswalt has a wife? I figured he had to be a virgin.
 
2013-02-28 02:28:29 AM  

dramboxf: The article gave me a random thought; I've even forwarded my question to a retired Sheriff's Lieutenant that I know; he founded our county's CSI lab 20 years ago.

Would anyone have an issue if we took a DNA sample from every. single. person. that dies? Either in the ER, or at home, or at the funeral home -- wherever. If you no longer have a heartbeat, we take a cheek swab and it gets entered into the CA and FBI DNA databases. Why? Think of how many unsolved cases might be closed. Sure, the guy or gal didn't get his comeuppance in this life, and I'll leave all discussion about whether or not they'll be "punished" in the afterlife to others.

Since the person is deceased, there's no 4th or 5th Amendment violations that I can think of, although IANAL.

But, I'm smart enough to admit I'm dumb about a lot of things and don't see every issue from every angle. So, Farkers that are smarter than me -- what possible objection could people have to this idea? Think of being able to tell families of victims "You can rest easy, he's dead."

Also, save some kind of cash on having cold-case squads not chasing dead suspects.


What article or amendment authorizes the feds to do this? Let me guess: the trusty old 'interstate commerce' clause.
 
2013-02-28 02:48:58 AM  

DrPainMD: dramboxf: The article gave me a random thought; I've even forwarded my question to a retired Sheriff's Lieutenant that I know; he founded our county's CSI lab 20 years ago.

Would anyone have an issue if we took a DNA sample from every. single. person. that dies? Either in the ER, or at home, or at the funeral home -- wherever. If you no longer have a heartbeat, we take a cheek swab and it gets entered into the CA and FBI DNA databases. Why? Think of how many unsolved cases might be closed. Sure, the guy or gal didn't get his comeuppance in this life, and I'll leave all discussion about whether or not they'll be "punished" in the afterlife to others.

Since the person is deceased, there's no 4th or 5th Amendment violations that I can think of, although IANAL.

But, I'm smart enough to admit I'm dumb about a lot of things and don't see every issue from every angle. So, Farkers that are smarter than me -- what possible objection could people have to this idea? Think of being able to tell families of victims "You can rest easy, he's dead."

Also, save some kind of cash on having cold-case squads not chasing dead suspects.

What article or amendment authorizes the feds to do this? Let me guess: the trusty old 'interstate commerce' clause.


just call it a death tax
 
2013-02-28 02:52:30 AM  
As someone who's sister was probably killed by a serial killer I getting a kick out of ...

In all seriousness, my sister was killed 12 years ago March 5th in the same manner as someone who was killed 25 years eariler in the same area. Both were 27 years old and both were prostitutes living on the street. It alarmed the man that found the first girl so much that he came to my work after my sister was discovered just to talk about what he found and the manner she was killed. He is convinced that it was the same person involved in both killings since they were both killed in the same way and not in a very conventional manner. He's a good friend of mine so I trust what he's telling me and there was something unique about the way they were murdered. And no, I'm not going to go into details here.

They arrested and convicted a man for the first girl's murder(and six other murders) after he confessed but after dredging the local bar pits they never recovered any bodies. There's a question of whether or not he was her killer(or the killer of any of them for that matter). Many feel he was just looking for the limelight since he was in jail for life anyway and they never found any bodies where he said they were. None. Also, of the seven he took credit for six were supposedly in one place and one was dumped some place else. It was also the only body recoverd but he was never convicted of her murder. He was only convicted for one of the six that they had no body for. Seems strange to many people around here including the parents of the body they had recovered. That one was the one that my friend found spraying for mosquitos 25 years earlier. That was also the only one that matched my sister's circumstance as well. Regardless, I doubt he was their killer myself since he was in jail when my sister was murdered and their bodies were found disposed of in an identical manner. There have also been other women(all prostitutes)) that went missing from this area that have never been found. My sister spoke of some of them before she was killed. At the time though nobody thought the worst, but looking back they are likely victims of the same killer.

Strangely, the last person we can be certain that saw my sister alive was a Saint Johns County Sheriff's Deputy, even though none would come forward and admit talking to her the day before she was killed. Two friends of the family filed affidavits saying they saw an SJSO deputy talking to her so we know one of them was with her that day. She had lived with these two people so there's no doubt that they knew my sister well enough to identify her standing next to an SJSO crusier. They didn't get a car number since they didn't think anything was wrong at the time but no one has ever said "yeah, it was me she was taliking to that day." I'm not saying that he was the killer but something just doesn't add up about that imo. It also seems that dead prostitutes aren't that important to them since nobody seems to care but the family. And If not for the right circumstances happening my sister nor the first girl would have ever been found. It's sad but we feel fortunate in that regard since she could still be missing and we would always wonder what happened to her. Anyone with information regarding this case is urged to call the FBI since the local cops are useless at best. Thanks.

my sister's story: http://staugustine.com/police-report/2012-01-21-0
 
2013-02-28 04:08:24 AM  
Wow, she's a really impressive writer and this case is really fascinating. Great piece.
 
2013-02-28 04:21:08 AM  

dramboxf: The article gave me a random thought; I've even forwarded my question to a retired Sheriff's Lieutenant that I know; he founded our county's CSI lab 20 years ago.

Would anyone have an issue if we took a DNA sample from every. single. person. that dies? Either in the ER, or at home, or at the funeral home -- wherever. If you no longer have a heartbeat, we take a cheek swab and it gets entered into the CA and FBI DNA databases. Why? Think of how many unsolved cases might be closed. Sure, the guy or gal didn't get his comeuppance in this life, and I'll leave all discussion about whether or not they'll be "punished" in the afterlife to others.

Since the person is deceased, there's no 4th or 5th Amendment violations that I can think of, although IANAL.

But, I'm smart enough to admit I'm dumb about a lot of things and don't see every issue from every angle. So, Farkers that are smarter than me -- what possible objection could people have to this idea? Think of being able to tell families of victims "You can rest easy, he's dead."

Also, save some kind of cash on having cold-case squads not chasing dead suspects.


Something to chew on: not every DNA sample taken from a crime scene is uncontaminated enough to yield wholly reliable evidence--in other words, coincidental matches happen way more often than criminal justice science says they should.

This 2008 investigative article by the LA Times on DNA matching in criminal prosecutions covers what happened at an Arizona crime lab using the FBI national DNA database. The lab found a DNA match between two unrelated prisoners at nine different DNA loci (usually labs test across 13 DNA loci). The odds of that happening are, supposedly, 1 in 113 billion. This highly unlikely occurrence set off a deeper investigation incorporating more DNA databases, and they ultimately turned up over 1,000 pairings of nine-loci matches.* That's a problem.

*shamelessly cribbed from Naked Statistics
 
2013-02-28 07:54:03 AM  

Paris1127: freetomato: shopball: Anybody else watching dark minds on Investigation Discovery... This is the case they're discussing.

Duly noted.  I'll find it.  If my mom hadn't been a badass with a shotgun, that freak could have raped all of us.

Do you remember when this occurred? The list on the website has the Citrus Heights attacks as occurring between September '76 and January '77; is it one of those? Or is the rape that took place later that night on the list?

Also: is Dark Minds the show hosted by M. William Phelps with the serial killer who calls in to give his take?


I am going to have to review the crime dates - I really don't remember exactly when it happened, and my mom is now deceased.  I'm sure the rape that occurred the same evening is on the site - it was all over the news afterward.

draa....how terrible for your sister and your family.  I hope that some closure occurs for you.
 
2013-02-28 07:58:34 AM  
Holy shiat.  #12 - Primrose Drive.

I am covered in chills right now.
 
2013-02-28 12:20:33 PM  

freetomato: Holy shiat.  #12 - Primrose Drive.

I am covered in chills right now.


Is that the rape he managed to commit on the night in question?

/incidentally, this attack was predicted by a detective
//well, its location, anyway
 
2013-02-28 12:37:31 PM  

Paris1127: freetomato: Holy shiat.  #12 - Primrose Drive.

I am covered in chills right now.

Is that the rape he managed to commit on the night in question?

/incidentally, this attack was predicted by a detective
//well, its location, anyway



Yes, that is the one.  I imagine he predicted Citrus Heights in general, not that specific address.  Primrose Drive is almost a straight shot down Sunrise Blvd, a fairly major road,  from where we lived, maybe a ten minute drive that time of night.

I visited the EAR-ONS site today to see if I'd participated in any type of message board there a couple years back when I saw the Cold Case Files story - they only have a link for witnesses.  I don't think my story would add anything to the investigation but I guess it couldn't hurt to let them know that the Citrus Heights PD paid a visit to our home the same night as the Primrose attack.  They probably already know it - every law enforcement agency in the county was on high alert.
 
2013-02-28 12:46:50 PM  

freetomato: Paris1127: freetomato: Holy shiat.  #12 - Primrose Drive.

I am covered in chills right now.

Is that the rape he managed to commit on the night in question?

/incidentally, this attack was predicted by a detective
//well, its location, anyway


Yes, that is the one.  I imagine he predicted Citrus Heights in general, not that specific address.  Primrose Drive is almost a straight shot down Sunrise Blvd, a fairly major road,  from where we lived, maybe a ten minute drive that time of night.

I visited the EAR-ONS site today to see if I'd participated in any type of message board there a couple years back when I saw the Cold Case Files story - they only have a link for witnesses.  I don't think my story would add anything to the investigation but I guess it couldn't hurt to let them know that the Citrus Heights PD paid a visit to our home the same night as the Primrose attack.  They probably already know it - every law enforcement agency in the county was on high alert.


Oh, he didn't just say the attack would happen in Citrus Heights... He predicted the exact street...
sites.google.com

Some news clippings about the case (one of which is dedicated to the January 24 attack). No mention of any attempted burglaries though.

From this site
 
2013-02-28 01:00:37 PM  

Paris1127: freetomato: Paris1127: freetomato: Holy shiat.  #12 - Primrose Drive.

I am covered in chills right now.

Is that the rape he managed to commit on the night in question?

/incidentally, this attack was predicted by a detective
//well, its location, anyway


Yes, that is the one.  I imagine he predicted Citrus Heights in general, not that specific address.  Primrose Drive is almost a straight shot down Sunrise Blvd, a fairly major road,  from where we lived, maybe a ten minute drive that time of night.

I visited the EAR-ONS site today to see if I'd participated in any type of message board there a couple years back when I saw the Cold Case Files story - they only have a link for witnesses.  I don't think my story would add anything to the investigation but I guess it couldn't hurt to let them know that the Citrus Heights PD paid a visit to our home the same night as the Primrose attack.  They probably already know it - every law enforcement agency in the county was on high alert.

Oh, he didn't just say the attack would happen in Citrus Heights... He predicted the exact street...
[sites.google.com image 850x637]

Some news clippings about the case (one of which is dedicated to the January 24 attack). No mention of any attempted burglaries though.

From this site


Holy crap.

This thread is making me almost physically ill - I'd forgotten just how upsetting memories of those times are.
 
2013-02-28 01:17:08 PM  
Whoa - they don't waste any time.  I sent my story to the witness link on the EARS site a few minutes ago and almost immediately got this back:


Dear Ms. Freetomato,


Thank you for the information.I was about the same age as you and living here in Sacramento as well.Based on your account, I too think it is very likely the offender who targeted your mother was the EAR.Back in 1977, the Sheriff's Dept. was the agency responsible for that community, and as such we have all the reports.CHPD wasn't formed until much later.That said, can you tell me what your mother's name was?I will definitely try and look it up.


Detective XXXXXXXXXXX

Sacramento Sheriffs Department

Homicide Bureau

XXXXXXX[nospam-﹫-backwards]ffi­r­eh­sca­s*co­m
 
2013-02-28 01:31:25 PM  

freetomato: Whoa - they don't waste any time.  I sent my story to the witness link on the EARS site a few minutes ago and almost immediately got this back:


Dear Ms. Freetomato,


Thank you for the information.I was about the same age as you and living here in Sacramento as well.Based on your account, I too think it is very likely the offender who targeted your mother was the EAR.Back in 1977, the Sheriff's Dept. was the agency responsible for that community, and as such we have all the reports.CHPD wasn't formed until much later.That said, can you tell me what your mother's name was?I will definitely try and look it up.


Detective XXXXXXXXXXX

Sacramento Sheriffs Department

Homicide Bureau

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Oh wow, well I'm glad they didn't waste too much time. I'd assume that with the release of this article and the previously unreleased evidence, they were probably expecting that to bring more attention to the case, therefore maybe have people ready to answer emails and such.
 
2013-02-28 01:52:06 PM  

freetomato: draa....how terrible for your sister and your family. I hope that some closure occurs for you.



Thank you for your concern. And if it was you that bought me a one month TotalFark subscription then you are truely a very gracious individual and will always be my favorite Farker.
 
2013-02-28 03:15:19 PM  

freetomato: Paris1127: freetomato: Paris1127: freetomato: Holy shiat.  #12 - Primrose Drive.

I am covered in chills right now.

Is that the rape he managed to commit on the night in question?

/incidentally, this attack was predicted by a detective
//well, its location, anyway


Yes, that is the one.  I imagine he predicted Citrus Heights in general, not that specific address.  Primrose Drive is almost a straight shot down Sunrise Blvd, a fairly major road,  from where we lived, maybe a ten minute drive that time of night.

I visited the EAR-ONS site today to see if I'd participated in any type of message board there a couple years back when I saw the Cold Case Files story - they only have a link for witnesses.  I don't think my story would add anything to the investigation but I guess it couldn't hurt to let them know that the Citrus Heights PD paid a visit to our home the same night as the Primrose attack.  They probably already know it - every law enforcement agency in the county was on high alert.

Oh, he didn't just say the attack would happen in Citrus Heights... He predicted the exact street...
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Some news clippings about the case (one of which is dedicated to the January 24 attack). No mention of any attempted burglaries though.

From this site

Holy crap.

This thread is making me almost physically ill - I'd forgotten just how upsetting memories of those times are.


I'll stop, I don't want you getting sick. Maybe your contact in the Sheriff's Office will have something for you. I've exhausted my resources for now anyway.

/loves a good mystery
//I'd love to find out what happened to the man who killed my great-great-great grandfather in 1879 (I know who did it, I don't know of his fate, other than to say that he's definitely dead by now)
///and what happened to that one relative who went to a butterfly sanctuary in the Caribbean and was never seen again
 
2013-02-28 04:35:20 PM  
I farking love this thread!

DRAA, you mentioned you're pretty sure  your sister was the victim of a serial killer. Has anyone seriously looked into it?

FREETOMATO I think your tidbit of info will put another valuable piece in the puzzle.

My two cents: Serial Killers hunt where they live. They do it in areas they are comfortable and/or know their way around. Also, as others have said, they don't stop unless they die or get tossed in the can...or move but then they'll eventually start back up again in their new area.

This guy hasn't killed *that we know of* since the mid/late 80s. Dude probably moved...or killed himself. Either way I don't think he's around any more.
 
2013-02-28 04:38:22 PM  
And DRAA, your sister was last seen on my 28th birthday.
 
2013-02-28 05:38:48 PM  

MrSin666: DRAA, you mentioned you're pretty sure your sister was the victim of a serial killer. Has anyone seriously looked into it?


I'm sure they've looked into it but I don't believe anybody has linked her murder to any other murder publicly. Imo there's too much of a coincidence in the way the two women were found to not be related, even though they were 13 years between the two killings. That's what my friend in the above story thought as well. Sort of an MO in the disposal methods of this particular killer. And I, as well as a few other people, believe he's been working this area for years since these two killings, as well as a couple of others that I've followed, always seem to occur around Daytona's Bike Week and Biketoberfest in March and October respectively. The two in my above post(my sister and the other woman) were both found in the month of March. I doubt if anybody else has made that link since these two women were prostitutes and solving their murders are not a top priority to anyone but their families. That's just the way it is. In fact, I remember when another guy I knew was killed locally and I asked an SJSO detective if they'd found his killer/s. The cop told me and my mother that "no, and nobody's really trying that hard to find them either." He was a trouble maker but his family deserved answers none the less. And that was long before my sister's murder but it was certainly an eye opener to both of us after she was found and we both know that it will be the same with her.

It is difficult trying to get local authorities to devote time to the case and in the first 8 years after my sister's death there was no less than 6 different people put on it. There's usually only one or two detectives working it at a time but if a person didn't know any better they'd swear that when a detective got too close to the answer they'd be removed from the case and someone else would have to start all over again. Either that or they had decided that they weren't going to devote manpower or resources to solving it and kept pulling people off to move them to other cases.  That's why I mention in an above post that something smells fishy about this whole ordeal. And I include the first woman's murder in that as well. It sucks either way because my mom is getting old and some answers before she dies would be nice.
 
2013-02-28 06:08:04 PM  
....but Westerns are too violent.
 
2013-02-28 06:37:46 PM  

dramboxf: Slam1263: Son, we need to have a talk.

She used to say that we should stuff her and put her in her chair at the head of the Thanksgiving table. She was visibly, actually upset when she found out that it would be illegal to do so.


That's why I'm opting for plastination.

But my final pose is giving me pause.
 
2013-02-28 06:47:00 PM  

draa: MrSin666: DRAA, you mentioned you're pretty sure your sister was the victim of a serial killer. Has anyone seriously looked into it?

I'm sure they've looked into it but I don't believe anybody has linked her murder to any other murder publicly. Imo there's too much of a coincidence in the way the two women were found to not be related, even though they were 13 years between the two killings. That's what my friend in the above story thought as well. Sort of an MO in the disposal methods of this particular killer. And I, as well as a few other people, believe he's been working this area for years since these two killings, as well as a couple of others that I've followed, always seem to occur around Daytona's Bike Week and Biketoberfest in March and October respectively. The two in my above post(my sister and the other woman) were both found in the month of March. I doubt if anybody else has made that link since these two women were prostitutes and solving their murders are not a top priority to anyone but their families. That's just the way it is. In fact, I remember when another guy I knew was killed locally and I asked an SJSO detective if they'd found his killer/s. The cop told me and my mother that "no, and nobody's really trying that hard to find them either." He was a trouble maker but his family deserved answers none the less. And that was long before my sister's murder but it was certainly an eye opener to both of us after she was found and we both know that it will be the same with her.

It is difficult trying to get local authorities to devote time to the case and in the first 8 years after my sister's death there was no less than 6 different people put on it. There's usually only one or two detectives working it at a time but if a person didn't know any better they'd swear that when a detective got too close to the answer they'd be removed from the case and someone else would have to start all over again. Either that or they had decided that they weren't g ...


Have they looked into a connection with this case? Your mention of prostitute murders and Daytona rang a bell...

I hope they catch whoever killed her. Sadly, some cops (and other people) consider prostitutes less than human.
 
2013-02-28 11:20:42 PM  

Paris1127: Have they looked into a connection with this case? Your mention of prostitute murders and Daytona rang a bell...


I wondered the same thing a few years back when I first heard about this person but I doubt it. Their MO's are completely different. Even though he targets prostitutes the Daytona Beach Serial Killer usually shoots his victims and leaves them to be found. The person I'm talking about doesn't. The thing that stands out in my two cases is the way the bodies were disposed of and where they were dumped at. It's as if the killer/s didn't expect them to ever be found. And the way it was done left zero DNA evidence(at least for my sister though I'd imagine it was the same way with the other woman since she was disposed of in the same manner). Being in saltwater for a few days just doesn't leave enough DNA behind to make a match. And that includes the latest DNA techniques being used. I think the person knows that, too, and that's why he leaves them where he does. There's thousands of miles of saltwater area around here, so he's got plenty of places to leave bodies that would stay hid for a long time. As I said, if not for sheer luck neither woman would have ever been seen again and their bodies would be gone for good. That's why I believe that there's more dead women out there but sadly nobody keeps a list of missing prostitutes. If two were found then how many weren't and how many didn't have people wondering where they went or asking questions? My sister spoke of two girls that she knew working the streets that just disappeared one day. Nothing ever came of it either and surely there's more as well. I am fairly certain that my sister and the other woman I was talking about both died in a similar manner, too, which as I said earlier was a very unique way. And very sadistic(imo). My only hope is that my baby sister didn't suffer too long.
 
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