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(Kansas.com)   City council to get tough on heavy water users. We're looking at YOU, Robert Oppenheimer   (kansas.com) divider line 63
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2013-02-27 05:16:53 PM  
+1
 
2013-02-27 05:22:53 PM  
Does heavy water come from chubby rain?
 
2013-02-27 05:28:32 PM  
i.imgur.com

If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of this headline.
 
2013-02-27 06:41:19 PM  
Now I am become depth
 
2013-02-27 06:53:39 PM  
I love it.
 
2013-02-27 06:55:49 PM  
I like it.

I bet Oppenheimer's only regret was that he couldn't use Germany's water...
 
2013-02-27 06:56:06 PM  
I saw this right after the Yoko Ono headline, and now I have to go do laundry.
 
2013-02-27 06:56:11 PM  
Every time I read about water shortages in our friendly neighbour to the south, I get a little bit more anxious.

Though it seems Brazil has the lead in fresh water supply, followed by Russia.
 
2013-02-27 06:56:55 PM  
HOTY candidate. Subby owes me a new keyboard.
 
2013-02-27 06:57:21 PM  
Oh, Submitter.  I'm laughing so hard deuterium up my eyes.
 
2013-02-27 06:57:27 PM  
Portland's alternative weekly annually publishes the names of the City's largest residential water users, which I find silly given that if there is one thing we have enough of in Oregon it's water.

/would have loved to be a fly on the wall for the lunch conversations of Oppenheimer and Feynman
 
2013-02-27 06:59:50 PM  
I have no problem with this, especially for pool owners. Filling up a swimming pool every spring  just so you can take a dip 6 or 8 times over the summer is a damn waste of water.
 
2013-02-27 07:01:27 PM  
Subby got the approval he was fission' for.
 
2013-02-27 07:01:42 PM  

caddisfly: Portland's alternative weekly annually publishes the names of the City's largest residential water users, which I find silly given that if there is one thing we have enough of in Oregon it's water.


That sounds like a challenge to me!
 
2013-02-27 07:01:47 PM  
Missed it by that much submittard.  Edward Teller built the H-bomb which used hydrogen isotope compounds for fusion after Oppenheimer got the boot for being a commie rat bastard.
 
2013-02-27 07:02:02 PM  
This is bad news....

for nuclear families.
 
2013-02-27 07:04:28 PM  

caddisfly: Portland's alternative weekly annually publishes the names of the City's largest residential water users, which I find silly given that if there is one thing we have enough of in Oregon it's water.

/would have loved to be a fly on the wall for the lunch conversations of Oppenheimer and Feynman


You'd think that, but the reality is much different.

PDX is expanding the Powell Butte Reservoir in part because they don't have enough water currently for their projected growth.  Other reservoirs are also being expanded and upgraded.

Down by Eugene, the city is selling some of their water to Veneta, because Veneta does not have enough water for their projected growth, and Eugene could lose it's rights to the McKenzie if they don't do something with them.  The catch being Eugene can yoink that water back when it needs it.

Add in lower than average snow pack and we have trouble brewing here in the Beaver State.
 
2013-02-27 07:09:47 PM  
Excellent headline.
 
2013-02-27 07:10:23 PM  

Nexzus: Every time I read about water shortages in our friendly neighbour to the south, I get a little bit more anxious.

Though it seems Brazil has the lead in fresh water supply, followed by Russia.


Meh - the US has a huge amount of land bordering the Great Lakes, one of the biggest sources of freshwater on the planet.

If water shortages ever become a huge issue, we won't invade anyone. We'll just see a demographic reversal. The population will stop shifting to places like Texas and Arizona and Nevada, and people will start moving back to the Rust Belt cities (Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, Toledo, Milwaukee, etc) that have long been losing population, but have an abundance of freshwater because of their position on the Great Lakes.
 
2013-02-27 07:29:03 PM  
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2013-02-27 07:29:50 PM  

caddisfly: Portland's alternative weekly annually publishes the names of the City's largest residential water users, which I find silly given that if there is one thing we have enough of in Oregon it's water.


But you still have to store, treat and distribute that water. Your taxpayer dollars.
You still don't want somebody just pissin' it away.
 
2013-02-27 07:32:40 PM  
although the recommendations would not restrict commercial users, like the city's golf courses, Botanica or businesses.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/26/2693145/wichita-city-council-may-get - tough.html#storylink=cpy
So, what they're saying is it won't have any impact.

It sounds like they're eliminating dessert from school lunches to try and balance the federal budget.
 
2013-02-27 07:33:18 PM  
Probably want to prevent anyone using a M.A.S.S. device within city limits.
 
2013-02-27 07:33:23 PM  
I have to admit, my first thought was 'how does one USE heavy water?'

/too much Stargate SG-1
 
2013-02-27 07:33:31 PM  
Gah, how'd that crap sneak in. Gotta preview next time.
 
IP
2013-02-27 07:33:59 PM  
+1 subby.  Well played indeed.
 
2013-02-27 07:34:52 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
Is there something wrong with the Earth's gravitational field in the future?
 
2013-02-27 07:38:15 PM  
Oppenheimer used graphite.
 
2013-02-27 07:47:01 PM  

Doc Daneeka: The population will stop shifting to places like Texas and Arizona and Nevada


There will be a huge push for xeriscaping, reclaimed water and limits on residential pools before it gets that bad.  Most parks, golf courses and large public greenbelts are already required to use reclaimed water.  I've been to a number of hotels in remote desert towns that use reclaimed water for toilets.

Even if I had to rip out all of my palm trees and tropical plants to install native desert plants, it'd still beat shoveling snow in the winter, sweltering through high humidity in the summer and dealing with people who are known as Ohioans.
 
2013-02-27 07:51:37 PM  
Ok, my first green. I submit random stuff from time to time. Usually with a reference to an obscure or not so obscure movie.

So, there I was, just minding my own business; I saw this article about heavy water use. My mind went directly to Robert Oppenheimer.

I'd like to thank all of you magnificent bastards for upvoting my submission; and the various mods who control these things. Most of all, I'd like to thank Unfreakable for TF.
 
2013-02-27 07:51:57 PM  
Wow, that's a headline you have to be intelligent and well-educated to understand.

I've always wanted to confuse the hell out of people by dropping an ice cube into a tub of water and have it sink.  But where the heck do you get heavy water, and can it be done without nuclear regulations getting in the way?
 
2013-02-27 07:57:22 PM  
In St Louis the largest water user is complaining about a rate hike and thinks they should get a discount because they use so much. That would be the Budweiser people.Surprise.
 
2013-02-27 08:00:08 PM  

Myria: Wow, that's a headline you have to be intelligent and well-educated to understand.


yah honestly. tens of thousands of gallons of heavy water? wtf is wrong with kansas? where is it from, also, Wolf Creek?
 
2013-02-27 08:13:11 PM  
I would rather have water to drink and wash my arse rather than wasting water on vegetation I can't smoke or eat.

Priorities, people!
 
2013-02-27 08:30:44 PM  

iheartscotch: Ok, my first green. I submit random stuff from time to time. Usually with a reference to an obscure or not so obscure movie.

So, there I was, just minding my own business; I saw this article about heavy water use. My mind went directly to Robert Oppenheimer.

I'd like to thank all of you magnificent bastards for upvoting my submission; and the various mods who control these things. Most of all, I'd like to thank Unfreakable for TF.


Congratulations, you still live in Salina.

/sorry.
 
2013-02-27 08:35:31 PM  

occamswrist: I like it.

I bet Oppenheimer's only regret was that he couldn't use Germany's water...


He thought that after we dropped the bomb that would be the end of it and we wouldn't need any more atomic bombs.  Of course Edward Teller thought differently and seemed to have no qualms about stabbing Oppenheimer in the back so bad that years later scientists were still pissed with Teller during the whole "Star Wars" defense system pitch.

Of course it didn't help this guy was funneling designs of the bomb to the Soviets.  They would have eventually figured it out, but it shaved years off of their program.
www.atomicarchive.com
 
2013-02-27 08:38:19 PM  
www.movieposterdb.com
 
2013-02-27 08:49:49 PM  
Im sure Heisenburg would have liked to have had more heavy water.
 
2013-02-27 08:52:23 PM  

cheap_thoughts: iheartscotch: Ok, my first green. I submit random stuff from time to time. Usually with a reference to an obscure or not so obscure movie.

So, there I was, just minding my own business; I saw this article about heavy water use. My mind went directly to Robert Oppenheimer.

I'd like to thank all of you magnificent bastards for upvoting my submission; and the various mods who control these things. Most of all, I'd like to thank Unfreakable for TF.

Congratulations, you still live in Salina.

/sorry.


Hey now; salina doesn't suck THAT bad.

Ok, the water has some Carbon Tetra-Chloride contamination. Ok, the job market for anyone above minimum wage is tighter than a snare drum. Ok, the majority of the women sound like Phyllis Diller and look like Frankenstein.

But, the beer is still cold here; and some days, the sun does shine.
 
2013-02-27 09:01:30 PM  
iheartscotch: cheap_thoughts: iheartscotch: Ok, my first green. I submit random stuff from time to time. Usually with a reference to an obscure or not so obscure movie.

So, there I was, just minding my own business; I saw this article about heavy water use. My mind went directly to Robert Oppenheimer.

I'd like to thank all of you magnificent bastards for upvoting my submission; and the various mods who control these things. Most of all, I'd like to thank Unfreakable for TF.

Congratulations, you still live in Salina.


/sorry.

Hey now; salina doesn't suck THAT bad.

Ok, the water has some Carbon Tetra-Chloride contamination. Ok, the job market for anyone above minimum wage is tighter than a snare drum. Ok, the majority of the women sound like Phyllis Diller and look like Frankenstein.

But, the
3.2 beer is still cold here; and some days, the sun does shine.

Just a slight fix there.
 
2013-02-27 09:02:36 PM  
Air was the gateway to my heavy water use.  Now I'm up to four liters a day, and I'm ashamed of myself, but what can I do?  Every time I try to quit -- it's just so hard.  I can't do it.  I'm not strong enough.
 
2013-02-27 09:03:08 PM  
Council member Paul Gray said he thought the punitive pricing schedule could drive city water customers to dig private water wells, creating further revenue problems for the water department.

Problems for everyone else also.

We had a major drought here in Florida some years ago and they really cracked down on people wasting water. Especially on the barrier island, where even fresh ground water is scarce. Folks with lawns too green got warned. If they didn't listen, they got fined. And we have some fanatical lawn waterers here.

We also have a community on the barrier island where the filthy rich live. Very high end. They made a deal with the small city to the north of me to tap into their ground water supply, run a pipe under the river and they could water their lawns, the extensive private golf course and fill their many pools.

Their negotiations were low key, dealing mainly with the city leaders but the pipe went in quickly and the pumps started running.

The first most of us knew about it was when the local paper ran complaints from the citizens there about their ground wells running low and having to spend major bucks to drive them deeper.

Nothing was ever done about it and the pipe, so far as I know, is still there.

People don't seem to get it that any given area can comfortably hold only so many people. City leaders and powerful businessmen keep packing folks in and claiming it's good for the economy as the local cost of living soars, pollution soars and resources become strained. Then more and more money is needed to handle the mess that's created.

Folks suck down more water, meaning even more has to be provided, then they use the sewers more, meaning a bigger sewer treatment plant is needed. From the plant, the amount of gray water released into local streams, lakes or rivers steadily increases causing algae blooms and the rise in the levels of bacteria.

My city had basically 0 air pollution until around the 80's. Now, on a lot of days, if you look down a long road, a slight gray haze can be seen a block away. That same haze used to be spotted a couple of miles away. Our population tripled. Along with it came the inevitable problems of too many people living shoulder to shoulder.

We closed two small dumps and made a new, huge one. Water shortages started. The river started having periods of bacterial pollution during the hot summer months, meaning you could not harvest and eat any shellfish. Then we started having shortages on shellfish and every other type of fish a person could eat from there.

Commercial net fishing was banned. We discovered that the hundreds of new homes along the rivers edge, each with a septic tank, were seeping human waste into the river during the rainy season.

I mean, even a sponge can only absorb just so much. The city had to fork out bucks for a sewer system. Then the sewer plant had to be upgraded.

During our previously cold winters, those with fireplaces could easily get free wood to burn from the hundreds of acres of undeveloped and thickly forested woods. Now, many have to buy it by the cord, pre-cut and shipped in because the majority of those acres have been developed.

Sucking too much water from the ground caused sink holes and well problems, so the city had to extend it's water lines out into the county. Now, it costs $2000 to hook-up. You don't have to, but if you try and sell your house without it, the sale is blocked until you do.

That did somewhat fix the problem, but many folks, discovering their water bills, used their private wells for irrigation, like watering the lawn. Even during rationing, it hasn't dawned on city leaders to carry it over to the private water wells.

You skip out of a ticket if you can prove your bright green lawn is watered from your own well -- even though the aquifer it taps into might also service 1000 other houses.

They just don't seem to get it.

Back when I was a kid, an undeveloped acre was $2000. Now, a quarter of an acre is $20,000 and up and they're selling like hotcakes.
 
2013-02-27 09:03:47 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: occamswrist: I like it.

I bet Oppenheimer's only regret was that he couldn't use Germany's water...

He thought that after we dropped the bomb that would be the end of it and we wouldn't need any more atomic bombs.  Of course Edward Teller thought differently and seemed to have no qualms about stabbing Oppenheimer in the back so bad that years later scientists were still pissed with Teller during the whole "Star Wars" defense system pitch.

Of course it didn't help this guy was funneling designs of the bomb to the Soviets.  They would have eventually figured it out, but it shaved years off of their program.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-2237826/The-life-J-Rober t-Oppenheimer-The-unstable-A-bomb-know-self-destructed.html

I'm not an oppenheimerologist - only been studying his life for 5 minutes on google - but it appears he might have been unstable enough to no longer deserve a security clearance especially given his unhelpfulness in developing the h-bomb...
 
2013-02-27 09:10:15 PM  

occamswrist: Tsar_Bomba1: occamswrist: I like it.

I bet Oppenheimer's only regret was that he couldn't use Germany's water...

He thought that after we dropped the bomb that would be the end of it and we wouldn't need any more atomic bombs.  Of course Edward Teller thought differently and seemed to have no qualms about stabbing Oppenheimer in the back so bad that years later scientists were still pissed with Teller during the whole "Star Wars" defense system pitch.

Of course it didn't help this guy was funneling designs of the bomb to the Soviets.  They would have eventually figured it out, but it shaved years off of their program.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-2237826/The-life-J-Robe r t-Oppenheimer-The-unstable-A-bomb-know-self-destructed.html

I'm not an oppenheimerologist - only been studying his life for 5 minutes on google - but it appears he might have been unstable enough to no longer deserve a security clearance especially given his unhelpfulness in developing the h-bomb...


Well, at least Oppenheimer didn't pal around with Fuchs, unlike that notorious commie Feynman!
 
2013-02-27 09:20:17 PM  

dprathbun: occamswrist: Tsar_Bomba1: occamswrist: I like it.

I bet Oppenheimer's only regret was that he couldn't use Germany's water...

He thought that after we dropped the bomb that would be the end of it and we wouldn't need any more atomic bombs.  Of course Edward Teller thought differently and seemed to have no qualms about stabbing Oppenheimer in the back so bad that years later scientists were still pissed with Teller during the whole "Star Wars" defense system pitch.

Of course it didn't help this guy was funneling designs of the bomb to the Soviets.  They would have eventually figured it out, but it shaved years off of their program.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-2237826/The-life-J-Robe r t-Oppenheimer-The-unstable-A-bomb-know-self-destructed.html

I'm not an oppenheimerologist - only been studying his life for 5 minutes on google - but it appears he might have been unstable enough to no longer deserve a security clearance especially given his unhelpfulness in developing the h-bomb...

Well, at least Oppenheimer didn't pal around with Fuchs, unlike that notorious commie Feynman!


Feynman the bongo drummer? J/K

I've watched many of his lectures and read his physics papers. Wish I had physics teachers like him instead of the ones I did have.

As a 6th grader I could intuitively tell that the solar system model of the atom was inherently unstable but my teachers only had that explanation for me. That and being told iodine on onion cells under a microscope would show all the parts of the cell (and how would you know if it did or not? and if it did then the onion would be all black and you couldn't see anything) that i was turned off science for too many years.
 
rbt
2013-02-27 09:24:40 PM  
I'm disappointed deuterium isn't involved.
 
2013-02-27 09:25:56 PM  

rbt: I'm disappointed deuterium isn't involved.


Heh.  You said deuter.
 
2013-02-27 09:29:39 PM  

Rik01: many folks, discovering their water bills, used their private wells for irrigation, like watering the lawn. Even during rationing, it hasn't dawned on city leaders to carry it over to the private water wells.

You skip out of a ticket if you can prove your bright green lawn is watered from your own well -- even though the aquifer it taps into might also service 1000 other houses.

They just don't seem to get it.


They do the same thing around here, if you have your own well you can ignore rationing and water your lawn all you want, but what they don't seem to understand is, all the well water is still part of the same ecosystem as everything else, in fact ground water should probably be restricted more simply because of how long it takes for it to filter its way down into the aquifer.
 
2013-02-27 09:35:33 PM  

Myria: Wow, that's a headline you have to be intelligent and well-educated to understand.

I've always wanted to confuse the hell out of people by dropping an ice cube into a tub of water and have it sink. But where the heck do you get heavy water, and can it be done without nuclear regulations getting in the way?


Going rate is about a buck a gram, no regulatory issues I know of. Seems like a common classroom demonstration.
 
2013-02-27 11:13:39 PM  
that headline was so isotopical
 
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