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2013-02-27 04:26:03 PM

kmmontandon: RoyFokker'sGhost: HaywoodJablonski: Mateorocks: EyeballKid: HaywoodJablonski: The Joe Montana/Steve Young comparisons continue

That's right, just act like Elvis Grbac never happened.

Or Steve Bono.

Eerie. Not a 49ers/Chiefs fan, so I had no idea you were such incestuous trading partners

There's also the '49ers Retirement Package'; aka The Oakland Raiders

I wonder if anyone's ever put together a list of Niners-to-Raiders players, just over the past twenty years.  I can only think of Romanowski, Garner, and Rice off the top of my head.


In inverse order of usefulness: Kwame Harris. Jeremy Newberry. Cedrick Harman.
 
2013-02-27 04:32:08 PM

forgotmydamnusername: In inverse order of usefulness: Kwame Harris. Jeremy Newberry. Cedrick Harman.


I truly believed that Jeremy Newberry was on his way to becoming one of the best centers of all time before he got hurt. It's too bad his career was cut short, he was a fantastic player.

Kwame Harris? Yeah, not so much.
 
2013-02-27 04:33:54 PM

SuperChuck: CognaciousThunk: kmmontandon: RoyFokker'sGhost: HaywoodJablonski: Mateorocks: EyeballKid: HaywoodJablonski: The Joe Montana/Steve Young comparisons continue

That's right, just act like Elvis Grbac never happened.

Or Steve Bono.

Eerie. Not a 49ers/Chiefs fan, so I had no idea you were such incestuous trading partners

There's also the '49ers Retirement Package'; aka The Oakland Raiders

I wonder if anyone's ever put together a list of Niners-to-Raiders players, just over the past twenty years.  I can only think of Romanowski, Garner, and Rice off the top of my head.

Some guy named Lott, too.

Roger Craig too


heh, forgot about him being anything other than a 49er. I guess that's quite a list when all added up.
 
2013-02-27 04:40:01 PM

forgotmydamnusername: kmmontandon: RoyFokker'sGhost: HaywoodJablonski: Mateorocks: EyeballKid: HaywoodJablonski: The Joe Montana/Steve Young comparisons continue

That's right, just act like Elvis Grbac never happened.

Or Steve Bono.

Eerie. Not a 49ers/Chiefs fan, so I had no idea you were such incestuous trading partners

There's also the '49ers Retirement Package'; aka The Oakland Raiders

I wonder if anyone's ever put together a list of Niners-to-Raiders players, just over the past twenty years.  I can only think of Romanowski, Garner, and Rice off the top of my head.

In inverse order of usefulness: Kwame Harris. Jeremy Newberry. Cedrick Harman.


I forgot Charlie Garner. Replace Cedrick Hardman, who's from more than 20 years ago, with Garner.
 
2013-02-27 04:41:54 PM

Captain Steroid: [i1182.photobucket.com image 220x228]


Thanks.
 
2013-02-27 04:46:42 PM

Prank Monkey: Umm is this official that it was for a 2nd round pick this year? I mean, I haven't seen anything from the Chiefs yet. Please? Doesn't that seem like way too much? Anybody?

\throws self down stairs


Yes.  As a niners fan, I'm ok with this!

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/2/27/4036544/alex-smith-trade-det ai ls-chiefs-draft-picks-49ers
 
2013-02-27 04:46:49 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: Cassel
Kolb
Smith

What do they all have in common?


Your mom?
 
2013-02-27 04:49:04 PM

xaks: thecpt: TheOther: El Brujo: Derek Anderson will start for Cleveland this year, who will send Weeden to Arizona, who will send Kolb back to Philly, who will then obviously send Vick to Oakland.

...and the Vikings can't even get invited to the clusterf*ck.

they're reaching out to favre as we speak.

THAT'S IT!

After Vick goes to Oakland, Palmer goes to Minnesota, a frustrated Ponder goes to Chicago as a revenge fark and Jason Campbell....

shiat.


Jason Campbell goes on to win a CFL championship with the former team of the Bears' current coach.
 
2013-02-27 04:52:24 PM
What's after 49?  Chief.
 
2013-02-27 04:53:34 PM

roc6783: Jason Campbell goes on to win a CFL championship with the former team of the Bears' current coach.


damn, one draft class off from being able to rub another championship ring Rivers' face
 
2013-02-27 05:25:54 PM
that's great. but who are the chefs
 
2013-02-27 05:33:02 PM

Kornchex: Wow.  The first pick in the second round for a "game manager" that spent his career being called a bust?  Great call.


Second pick in the second round- Chefs and Jags flip positions each round.

That nitpick aside, Smith is still a big upgrade over Casserolol or Courageous Quimm.
 
2013-02-27 05:57:10 PM

japlemon: TiiiMMMaHHH: Cassel
Kolb
Smith

What do they all have in common?

Your mom?


I was aiming for "had one good season, got paid, and fell off."  But I like your answer better.  Had any of those guys farked my mom, I would have hidden a camera in the room.  Blackmail only works well with millionaires.  Sure, I'd end up seeing my mom naked, but I'd get paid or their naked man arses would be all over TMZ
 
2013-02-27 06:28:53 PM

TheOther: Kornchex: Wow.  The first pick in the second round for a "game manager" that spent his career being called a bust?  Great call.

Second pick in the second round- Chefs and Jags flip positions each round.

That nitpick aside, Smith is still a big upgrade over Casserolol or Courageous Quimm.


Can't really disagree with you there.  Still, Smith didn't look very good until he was playing on a Super Bowl caliber team.  KC definitely is not one of those.
 
2013-02-27 06:32:26 PM

UNC_Samurai: The trick is to play for Denver and Tampa before moving to the Chiefs.

[www.quarterbackedge.com image 310x418]

/hot like the porn he'll email you


Steve DeBerg?
 
2013-02-27 06:33:57 PM
Well we know Matt Barkley and Geno Smith won't be #1 now...last mock draft I saw they are selecting OT Luke Joeckel from Texas A & M. Makes sense since he could protect Smith's blindside.
 
2013-02-27 07:08:01 PM

kdawg7736: Well we know Matt Barkley and Geno Smith won't be #1 now...last mock draft I saw they are selecting OT Luke Joeckel from Texas A & M. Makes sense since he could protect Smith's blindside.


That partly depends on whether they re-sign Brandon Albert. If they do, they'll have to either go another direction or try to woo Joeckel into playing G or RT.
 
2013-02-27 07:12:24 PM
I'm ok with this.  They aren't on the hook for much and it frees them up to go after Joeckel or Warmack.
 
2013-02-27 07:13:00 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Ugh. Wrong Smith, Dorsey.


There was no way San Fran was giving up Aldon Smith.
 
2013-02-27 07:21:42 PM
As one of the few KC fans in this thread, I wish I had joined it earlier.  You need to understand that the options were very limited - the QB draft class was crap, and there was no Peyton Manning to be had in free agency.  Smith is an upgrade over Cassel, and it saves the team from the embarrassment of taking a long shot too early.  It's a band-aid, not a transplant.  The team needs to put money on either Bowe or Albert, and the draft is deep in the OL - so in my humble opinion, they let Albert go and grab a top tackle.  Really, who else is there at the top?
 
2013-02-27 07:44:04 PM

Mentat: Incorrigible Astronaut: Ugh. Wrong Smith, Dorsey.

There was no way San Fran was giving up Aldon Smith.


Geno.
 
2013-02-27 07:44:05 PM

gokc69: As one of the few KC fans in this thread, I wish I had joined it earlier.  You need to understand that the options were very limited - the QB draft class was crap, and there was no Peyton Manning to be had in free agency.  Smith is an upgrade over Cassel, and it saves the team from the embarrassment of taking a long shot too early.  It's a band-aid, not a transplant.  The team needs to put money on either Bowe or Albert, and the draft is deep in the OL - so in my humble opinion, they let Albert go and grab a top tackle.  Really, who else is there at the top?


While I think a second round pick is a bit steep, they really aren't on the hook for much if he turns out to be a bust.  They can still draft another qb this year or next and they'll have an upgraded O-line to boot.

In other words, Dorsey is doing what Pioli should have done four years ago.
 
2013-02-27 07:44:51 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Mentat: Incorrigible Astronaut: Ugh. Wrong Smith, Dorsey.

There was no way San Fran was giving up Aldon Smith.

Geno.


I know who you meant.  I went for the joke instead of mocking you for wanting to take Geno Smith with the first pick.
 
2013-02-27 08:04:10 PM
Hmm. Bets on how quickly Andy Reid causes Smith's arm to fall off?
 
2013-02-27 08:10:37 PM
This works out for both teams.

The Niners get way more than they would have from any other team, and the Chiefs get to delude themselves into thinking Smith is a huge upgrade (hint: he isn't), while allowing themselves to draft Joekel without their fans biatching and crying for a QB.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner, all around.
 
2013-02-27 08:16:27 PM

Mentat: Incorrigible Astronaut: Mentat: Incorrigible Astronaut: Ugh. Wrong Smith, Dorsey.

There was no way San Fran was giving up Aldon Smith.

Geno.

I know who you meant.  I went for the joke instead of mocking you for wanting to take Geno Smith with the first pick.


Most of the fanbase seems to be behind taking either him or Barkley with #1, so I don't know why the suggestion is so far-fetched. On the other hand, now that I've been able to simmer on the news for a while, I do think that this is the best move right now, 49er backup QB redux aside. We're not the youngest team in the league anymore, and several of our best players- Charles, Bowe, Albert, Hali- will be on the downslopes of their careers sooner rather than later.

My biggest concern now is going to be the o-line, which having both Albert and Joeckel will go a long way towards fixing (let alone if Stephenson continues to get better). Smith was the most sacked QB in the league per pass attempt last year (he averaged one every ten dropbacks), and if you're going to have that kind of guy you'd better have good people blocking for him.
 
2013-02-27 08:18:24 PM
A second round pick and conditional pick for Smith? Err... I don't know how great that is.

I'm one who thinks the Chiefs should trade DOWN from the #1 pick, but I think they should've held onto the top pick in the second round. I think there will be some talent that falls out of the first round.
 
2013-02-27 08:21:40 PM
2nd pick in the second round, whatever it happens to be.
 
2013-02-27 08:26:05 PM

puffy999: I'm one who thinks the Chiefs should trade DOWN from the #1 pick


Except that they won't get jack shiat by trading down. There are no tantalizing jewels, and no real reason to trade up in the top 10, because it's a bunch who are more or less the same, talent-wise. Maybe a small shift or two based on need, but nobody's giving a ton of picks to move up this year. Bad year for KC to be #1.
 
2013-02-27 08:26:33 PM

puffy999: A second round pick and conditional pick for Smith? Err... I don't know how great that is.

I'm one who thinks the Chiefs should trade DOWN from the #1 pick, but I think they should've held onto the top pick in the second round. I think there will be some talent that falls out of the first round.


It hasn't happened since 1984, so I highly doubt it (well, unless you count the Eli/Rivers swap in 2004). Besides, unless a team is absolutely over the moon about Barkely or Smith, this is one of the weakest first rounds in ages.
 
2013-02-27 08:36:17 PM

rumpelstiltskin: borg: Won't he be the 4th "starting" quarterback from the 49ers to be traded to KC? Why do they like our sloppy seconds?

Kansas City has never, in its entire history, drafted a good quarterback. It's arguable that they've never even had a good quarterback, unless you count a used up Joe Montana. (I don't get the Len Dawson worship, and even Ryan Leaf would have  looked good behind Willie Roaf and Will Shields.) Kansas City is the saddest place in the NFL for quarterbacks. Even Chicago is better. At least the Bears can say they once drafted Sid Luckman.


At least you have drafted a quarterback.

The quarterbacks drafted by the Cowboys in the past 24 years

Troy Aikman (1st overall - 1989)
Bill Musgrave (4th round - 1991)
Quincy Carter (2nd round - 2001)
Stephen McGee (4th round - 2009)
 
2013-02-27 08:45:58 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Most of the fanbase seems to be behind taking either him or Barkley with #1, so I don't know why the suggestion is so far-fetched.


Having been a Chiefs fan for all my life, I wouldn't trust most of the fanbase to choose an equipment manager much less a first round draft pick.

But anyway, Skip Bayless hates the trade so that pretty much proves it was a good trade.
 
2013-02-27 08:46:08 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: puffy999: A second round pick and conditional pick for Smith? Err... I don't know how great that is.

I'm one who thinks the Chiefs should trade DOWN from the #1 pick, but I think they should've held onto the top pick in the second round. I think there will be some talent that falls out of the first round.

It hasn't happened since 1984, so I highly doubt it (well, unless you count the Eli/Rivers swap in 2004). Besides, unless a team is absolutely over the moon about Barkely or Smith, this is one of the weakest first rounds in ages.


Didn't the Flacons trade up to first in 2001 to take Vick? I believe they traded with the Chargers (moved down to 5 and took LT).
 
2013-02-27 09:11:23 PM

Jonny Chimpo: Incorrigible Astronaut: puffy999: A second round pick and conditional pick for Smith? Err... I don't know how great that is.

I'm one who thinks the Chiefs should trade DOWN from the #1 pick, but I think they should've held onto the top pick in the second round. I think there will be some talent that falls out of the first round.

It hasn't happened since 1984, so I highly doubt it (well, unless you count the Eli/Rivers swap in 2004). Besides, unless a team is absolutely over the moon about Barkely or Smith, this is one of the weakest first rounds in ages.

Didn't the Flacons trade up to first in 2001 to take Vick? I believe they traded with the Chargers (moved down to 5 and took LT).


Wow, you're right. I completely forgot about that.
 
2013-02-27 09:11:45 PM
Correct Jonny.  Probably the best move the Chargers ever made.
 
2013-02-27 09:28:05 PM
Its an improvement for KC, but they aren't going to do much without a better O line. This also opens up Arizona to get Sanchize after the Jets fire Rex.
 
2013-02-27 09:34:26 PM

rumpelstiltskin: borg: Won't he be the 4th "starting" quarterback from the 49ers to be traded to KC? Why do they like our sloppy seconds?

Kansas City has never, in its entire history, drafted a good quarterback. It's arguable that they've never even had a good quarterback, unless you count a used up Joe Montana. (I don't get the Len Dawson worship, and even Ryan Leaf would have  looked good behind Willie Roaf and Will Shields.) Kansas City is the saddest place in the NFL for quarterbacks. Even Chicago is better. At least the Bears can say they once drafted Sid Luckman.


My favorite stat from this season:  Since the Chiefs drafted Todd Blackledge in 1983, no Chiefs draft pick has started and won a game for the Chiefs.  And they've only won two games for other teams.  Combined records 0-11 for the Chiefs.  2-20 overall.
 
2013-02-27 09:36:22 PM

Mentat: Having been a Chiefs fan for all my life, I wouldn't trust most of the fanbase to choose an equipment manager much less a first round draft pick.


I wouldn't trust most of the Chiefs fan base to count to 8.

/I keed
//You got a WAY better deal for Smith thann the Raiders got for Palmer
///Neither team's making the playoffs next year anyway
 
2013-02-27 09:45:43 PM

iron_city_ap: Its an improvement for KC, but they aren't going to do much without a better O line. This also opens up Arizona to get Sanchize after the Jets fire Rex.


Now they can.  They can either sign Brandon Albert at LT and go after Chance Warmack or they can let Albert go and sign Joeckel or Fisher.
 
2013-02-27 10:00:50 PM

kdawg7736: UNC_Samurai: The trick is to play for Denver and Tampa before moving to the Chiefs.

[www.quarterbackedge.com image 310x418]

/hot like the porn he'll email you

Steve DeBerg?


Yep.

Marcum apparently doesn't have a problem with the videos of women having sex with horses and other objects all found on his computer, which he viewed while he was supposed to be working.

On video, Marcum admitted forwarding the e-mails along. DeBerg was reportedly "one of the people who supplied Marcum with material," and Marcum "never asked DeBerg to stop sending the e-mails."
 
2013-02-27 10:19:04 PM
I'm not saying they were going to get much, maybe just a third rounder or forth rounder to trade down in the top 5, but I'm sure there's one team out there that's fallen in love with a single player and would trade up to get him.

Perhaps the Chiefs will find that player, but I don't see it.
 
2013-02-27 10:30:59 PM
So, do all roads out of San Francisco lead to KC? Smith will need a worth a damn o-line or her will get killed out there just like Cassel.
 
2013-02-27 11:15:02 PM
I don't see how this is a bad move for the Chiefs, or Smith.  Yes, Smith isn't going to throw for 300 yards week-in and week-out, but he's not a terrible quarterback.

If the Chiefs can get a little O-Line help, Smith will have an elite running game with Jamaal Charles.  He'll have a quality receiver to throw to in Dwayne Bowe.  In the right offense, this could work out quite well.
 
2013-02-27 11:19:38 PM

puffy999: I'm not saying they were going to get much, maybe just a third rounder or forth rounder to trade down in the top 5, but I'm sure there's one team out there that's fallen in love with a single player and would trade up to get him.

Perhaps the Chiefs will find that player, but I don't see it.


I think Star Lotulelei's heart condition really put the Chiefs in a bind.  He's the one player I think could possibly have enticed a team to want to trade up with the Chiefs.  But with Lotulelei a big question mark now, KC doesn't have any possible ace up its sleeve.

KC's o-line is pretty good, they just need receivers who can get open.  They will need to keep Bowe, but look for Moeaki to possibly have a big year, if he stays healthy.
 
2013-02-27 11:20:26 PM
So, the Niners add a 2nd round pick to add to their huge stash that they can deal to get Darrelle Revis.  That works for me.
 
2013-02-27 11:48:12 PM

Glenechocreek: So, the Niners add a 2nd round pick to add to their huge stash that they can deal to get Darrelle Revis.  That works for me.


I'm worried that Revis is a bigger name than he is a talent.

I have no idea if this is true.  I'm just worried about it.  The Niners could use a CB, and if Revis can be even 75% of what he was, he and Carlos Rogers will be awesome until Rogers remembers that he's already 31.

Niners could still use some help at safety, but it's more that their secondary is weaker than their d-line and LBs than that their secondary is actually weak.

/Just... keep Chris Culliver off the farking field.
//Christ.  Flacco didn't even have a gameplan other than "float the ball in Culliver's direction.
///You can either be an asshole, or suck.  Not both.
 
2013-02-28 12:00:13 AM

Dafatone: Glenechocreek: So, the Niners add a 2nd round pick to add to their huge stash that they can deal to get Darrelle Revis.  That works for me.

I'm worried that Revis is a bigger name than he is a talent.

I have no idea if this is true.  I'm just worried about it.  The Niners could use a CB, and if Revis can be even 75% of what he was, he and Carlos Rogers will be awesome until Rogers remembers that he's already 31.

Niners could still use some help at safety, but it's more that their secondary is weaker than their d-line and LBs than that their secondary is actually weak.

/Just... keep Chris Culliver off the farking field.
//Christ.  Flacco didn't even have a gameplan other than "float the ball in Culliver's direction.
///You can either be an asshole, or suck.  Not both.


Revis is considered to be a serious game-changer. Remember what happened when Dion Sanders came here?
 
2013-02-28 12:00:56 AM

Dafatone: I'm worried that Revis is a bigger name than he is a talent.


He's a talent. He's not freaking God, as he's made out to be.
 
2013-02-28 12:10:04 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I don't see how this is a bad move for the Chiefs, or Smith.  Yes, Smith isn't going to throw for 300 yards week-in and week-out, but he's not a terrible quarterback.

If the Chiefs can get a little O-Line help, Smith will have an elite running game with Jamaal Charles.  He'll have a quality receiver to throw to in Dwayne Bowe.  In the right offense, this could work out quite well.


What in Andy Reid's coaching history gives you any semblance of hope for an elite running game?
 
2013-02-28 12:50:53 AM

Tickle Mittens: and you will like it or you will get NOTHING!

I want a hamburger

No, a cheeseburger
 
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