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2013-02-27 02:03:20 PM
What the odds Boehner keeps his speakership until the midterms? How about 2016?
 
2013-02-27 02:05:01 PM
OBAMAQUESTER!!1!
 
2013-02-27 02:10:57 PM

DamnYankees: What the odds Boehner keeps his speakership until the midterms? How about 2016?


It's going to be interesting. It's really all a matter of which narrative the public buys into: "Republican obstructionism is bad for this nation", or "They're just trying to stop that socialist commie nazi muslim 0bummer". The mid term elections may be some of the most exciting mid terms in a very long time.
 
2013-02-27 02:16:07 PM
FTFA -

"His bill has adopted Obama's balanced approach. It contains the Buffett Rule, and it cuts subsidies for agribusiness and Big Oil. The bill also contains a 2/3 cuts to 1/3 revenue ratio. Republicans refuse to allow the bill to come to the floor for a vote for one simple reason. They are afraid that it will pass. There are likely enough Republicans that will cross party lines and join with universal Democratic support to pass the bill. The Senate version of Van Hollen's bill will be passed easily, and Obama would sign it in about a half a second."

Such American Heroes.
 
2013-02-27 02:21:16 PM
"No, no, you don't understand. My approval rating is at 17%. I've got them right where I want them."
 
2013-02-27 02:35:05 PM
If you libs are so concerned about the sequester, why aren't you making Boehner force his hand? Who has the true power in Washington? Who isn't leading by example from the White House?
 
2013-02-27 02:43:23 PM
Where is the bill this guy is talking about? Do we have a bill number or something?

I have seen people claiming the Democrats have made no attempts to put any options on the table, so if there is something I can point to, I would like to see it.
 
2013-02-27 02:47:28 PM

Elzar: Who isn't leading by example from the White House?



Article I, Section 7.

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives;
 
2013-02-27 02:49:11 PM
I really do not envy John Boehner. You know he was probably elated when he was voted speaker. He probably thought it was a great job. Full of perks and power. Now look at him, being drawn between two horses: greed and stupidity. The only question is which horse is going to trot off with the bigger half when his pelvis gives.
 
2013-02-27 02:49:46 PM

Slives: I have seen people claiming the Democrats have made no attempts to put any options on the table, so if there is something I can point to, I would like to see it.


Here's one.

Link

It equalizes previous spending cuts (Budget Control Act) with new revenues. The resulting cuts/revenue ratio would be 1:1. The proposals contained inside are very popular with Americans. Which, of course, is why no one is paying any attention to it.
 
2013-02-27 02:50:08 PM

Slives: Where is the bill this guy is talking about? Do we have a bill number or something?


Have you heard of Google?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr699/text

HR699
 
2013-02-27 02:51:04 PM
Without wishing to get into the details of this I'd like to point out that Boehner is scum and his supporters are, by extension, also scum.
 
2013-02-27 02:51:25 PM

Elzar: If you libs are so concerned about the sequester, why aren't you making Boehner force his hand? Who has the true power in Washington? Who isn't leading by example from the White House?


I'm pretty sure the Democrats are doing everything within their power to oppose Boehner...but there's only so much that can be done.  if Boehner decides to tank the country then it's not going to be difficult for him to arrange it.  this is all up to the Republicans.  the country is basically f*cked.
 
2013-02-27 02:54:43 PM

DamnYankees: What the odds Boehner keeps his speakership until the midterms? How about 2016?


Well, for the answer to that, you need some info on intraparty Speaker swaps, to see if they happened during a term or on schedule.

(P-A) MUHLENBERG TO TRUMBULL, JR., 1791: On schedule
(F) DAYTON TO SEDGWICK, 1799: On schedule
(D-R) MACON TO VARNUM, 1807: On schedule
(D-R) VARNUM TO CLAY, 1811: On schedule
(D-R) CLAY TO CHEVES, 1814: During term
(D-R) CHEVES TO CLAY, 1815: On schedule
(D-R) CLAY TO TAYLOR, 1820: During term
(D-R) TAYLOR TO BARBOUR, 1821: On schedule
(D-R) BARBOUR TO CLAY, 1823: On schedule
(W) HUNTER TO WHITE, 1841: On schedule
(D) JONES TO DAVIS, 1845: On schedule
(D) COBB TO BOYD, 1851: On schedule
(R) PENNINGTON TO GROW, 1861: On schedule
(R) GROW TO COLFAX, 1863: On schedule
(R) COLFAX TO POMEROY, 1869: During term
(R) POMEROY TO BLAINE, 1869: On schedule (the very next day)
(D) KERR TO RANDALL, 1876: During term
(R) REED TO HENDERSON, 1899: On schedule
(R) HENDERSON TO CANNON, 1903: On schedule
(R) GILLETT TO LONGWORTH, 1925: On schedule
(D) GARNER TO RAINEY, 1933: On schedule
(D) RAINEY TO BURNS, 1935: On schedule
(D) BYRNS TO BANKHEAD, 1936: During term
(D) BANKHEAD TO RAYBURN, 1940: During term
(D) RAYBURN TO MCCORMACK, 1962: During term
(D) MCCORMACK TO ALBERT, 1971: On schedule
(D) ALBERT TO O'NEILL, 1977: On schedule
(D) O'NEILL TO WRIGHT, 1987: On schedule
(D) WRIGHT TO FOLEY, 1989: During term
(R) GINGRICH TO HASTERT, 1999: On schedule
 
2013-02-27 02:55:51 PM

Weaver95: the country is basically f*cked.


Yeah, just like it was f*cked up until the last minute of the debt ceiling crisis, and up to the last minute of the "fiscal cliff" and up until the last minute of the sequester crisis, when they yet again do something that will just delay us until the next manufactured crisis a few months from now.  I'm beginning to put as much stock in these gloom-and-doom prophecies from Washington as I was in the Mayan apocalypse.
 
2013-02-27 02:57:03 PM

DamnYankees: What the odds Boehner keeps his speakership until the midterms? How about 2016?


I'm actually rather surprised he kept it this long.
 
2013-02-27 02:57:59 PM

Elzar: If you libs are so concerned about the sequester, why aren't you making Boehner force his hand? Who has the true power in Washington? Who isn't leading by example from the White House?


Yeah!  0bongo's a dictator, so why doesn't he just dictate the shiat outta Boehner?!?
 
2013-02-27 02:58:14 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Slives: Where is the bill this guy is talking about? Do we have a bill number or something?

Have you heard of Google?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr699/text

HR699


That is what I get for actually looking on the site itself instead of using the all-powerful search engine instead.
 
2013-02-27 02:59:21 PM

Nabb1: Weaver95: the country is basically f*cked.

Yeah, just like it was f*cked up until the last minute of the debt ceiling crisis, and up to the last minute of the "fiscal cliff" and up until the last minute of the sequester crisis, when they yet again do something that will just delay us until the next manufactured crisis a few months from now.  I'm beginning to put as much stock in these gloom-and-doom prophecies from Washington as I was in the Mayan apocalypse.


oh things are great for the 1% and corporations.  but the rank and file?  things have been getting worse.  it happens just a little more each and every day.  a bit of lost freedom here, a pay cut there, a couple random layoffs.  Another day, more people fall by the wayside and the GOP does nothing to help.
 
2013-02-27 03:01:31 PM
Duh. You can't blame Obama if you allow it to be fixed.
 
2013-02-27 03:02:03 PM

Weaver95: Nabb1: Weaver95: the country is basically f*cked.

Yeah, just like it was f*cked up until the last minute of the debt ceiling crisis, and up to the last minute of the "fiscal cliff" and up until the last minute of the sequester crisis, when they yet again do something that will just delay us until the next manufactured crisis a few months from now.  I'm beginning to put as much stock in these gloom-and-doom prophecies from Washington as I was in the Mayan apocalypse.

oh things are great for the 1% and corporations.  but the rank and file?  things have been getting worse.  it happens just a little more each and every day.  a bit of lost freedom here, a pay cut there, a couple random layoffs.  Another day, more people fall by the wayside and the GOP does nothing to help.


I'm not saying things are rosy, but this panicking every few months of irreparable disaster looming is getting old.  Either this is too much blustering and posturing or maybe our current system is simply incapable of meeting the needs of the people due to partisan gamesmanship trumping national stewardship.
 
2013-02-27 03:02:46 PM

Nabb1: Weaver95: the country is basically f*cked.

Yeah, just like it was f*cked up until the last minute of the debt ceiling crisis, and up to the last minute of the "fiscal cliff" and up until the last minute of the sequester crisis, when they yet again do something that will just delay us until the next manufactured crisis a few months from now.  I'm beginning to put as much stock in these gloom-and-doom prophecies from Washington as I was in the Mayan apocalypse.


You can play chicken a million times. The train only has to run you over once.
 
2013-02-27 03:04:12 PM

Ambivalence: DamnYankees: What the odds Boehner keeps his speakership until the midterms? How about 2016?

I'm actually rather surprised he kept it this long.


I'm surprised he still wanted it for this Congress.  What a horrible gig.  It's bad enough that you have to deal with a WH and Senate in opposition hands, but now you've got fractured caucus going at each other.  If your own damn party is bent on throwing a wrench into the House gears....who would want that kind of "leadership" position?

I wonder if Boehner writes off his booze and smokes as office expenses...
 
2013-02-27 03:06:41 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I'm surprised he still wanted it for this Congress. What a horrible gig. It's bad enough that you have to deal with a WH and Senate in opposition hands, but now you've got fractured caucus going at each other. If your own damn party is bent on throwing a wrench into the House gears....who would want that kind of "leadership" position?


Personally, I keep waiting for Ricardo Montalban to show up and whisk him back to the island.
 
2013-02-27 03:10:11 PM
Nabb1:
I'm not saying things are rosy, but this panicking every few months of irreparable disaster looming is getting old.  Either this is too much blustering and posturing or maybe our current system is simply incapable of meeting the needs of the people due to partisan gamesmanship trumping national stewardship.

blame the Republicans.  they keep manufacturing these crises in order to find something - ANYTHING - to use against Obama.
 
2013-02-27 03:11:29 PM
FTFA: Speaker Boehner's stock line is that the House has already acted, but this is a lie. The House acted in the last Congress. The two bills that were passed in the 112 Congress died as soon as the 113th Congress was sworn in.

This may seem petty, but this fact has really been bugging the shiat outta me. I've had to explain to people that unenacted bills die at the end of each Congress and have to be reintroduced. To have the Speaker of the House completely making shiat up about parliamentary procedure with a straight face with no one in the Lamestream Liberal MSM Media calling him on it is really getting under my skin. Please correct me with a citation if I'm somehow wrong on this.
 
2013-02-27 03:20:27 PM

Weaver95: blame the Republicans.  they keep manufacturing these crises in order to find something - ANYTHING - to use against Obama.


I can't wait until this thread goes green and the usual suspects try to convince us that it is the principal's fault they are in detention, because he INSISTED that detention exist as a deterrence for bad behavior
 
2013-02-27 03:23:01 PM

Somacandra: FTFA: Speaker Boehner's stock line is that the House has already acted, but this is a lie. The House acted in the last Congress. The two bills that were passed in the 112 Congress died as soon as the 113th Congress was sworn in.

This may seem petty, but this fact has really been bugging the shiat outta me. I've had to explain to people that unenacted bills die at the end of each Congress and have to be reintroduced. To have the Speaker of the House completely making shiat up about parliamentary procedure with a straight face with no one in the Lamestream Liberal MSM Media calling him on it is really getting under my skin. Please correct me with a citation if I'm somehow wrong on this.


to some extent, that was the same problem with Romney - we all knew he was lying.  all of us were fact checking him while he was giving speeches and before he was even off the stage, people were posting links and prelim stories about the lies he told and how he just contradicted something he'd said earlier that day.  emails and facebook updates and blogs, not to mention discussion threads on fark and other places...all that information on Romney lying.  in big huge fact filled commentary and charts and pretty pretty graphs...and it never saw the light of day.  outside of a small segment of the population, nobody EVER calls the big politicians out on their blatant lies. that's just how it goes.
 
2013-02-27 03:25:51 PM

Jackson Herring: Weaver95: blame the Republicans.  they keep manufacturing these crises in order to find something - ANYTHING - to use against Obama.

I can't wait until this thread goes green and the usual suspects try to convince us that it is the principal's fault they are in detention, because he INSISTED that detention exist as a deterrence for bad behavior


look, this is all Boehner's doing.  it'd be over RIGHT NOW, all he has to do is pick one of the many many bills on his desk and BAM!  the rest is procedure.  But the GOP wants to punish the country.  they want tax cuts alright...but they want to make sure those cuts cause maximum harm to whatever is left of the middle class while protecting the rich guys and corporations.  then blame the backlash on Obama and the Democrats.  thing is...we can see him trying to make this happen.  so I don't know how you lie to the country and get away with it when we're all sitting right there fact checking the GOP as they lie to us in real time.
 
2013-02-27 03:28:30 PM

Weaver95: look, this is all Boehner's doing.  it'd be over RIGHT NOW, all he has to do is pick one of the many many bills on his desk and BAM!  the rest is procedure.  But the GOP wants to punish the country.  they want tax cuts alright...but they want to make sure those cuts cause maximum harm to whatever is left of the middle class while protecting the rich guys and corporations.  then blame the backlash on Obama and the Democrats.  thing is...we can see him trying to make this happen.  so I don't know how you lie to the country and get away with it when we're all sitting right there fact checking the GOP as they lie to us in real time.


Right, I was referring to the fact that the GOP is trying to pin this on Obama because since he fought to keep the threat of sequestration in the original bill, HE TOTALLY WANTED IT TO HAPPEN.
 
2013-02-27 03:29:48 PM

Weaver95: to some extent, that was the same problem with Romney - we all knew he was lying. all of us were fact checking him while he was giving speeches and before he was even off the stage, people were posting links and prelim stories about the lies he told and how he just contradicted something he'd said earlier that day. emails and facebook updates and blogs, not to mention discussion threads on fark and other places...all that information on Romney lying. in big huge fact filled commentary and charts and pretty pretty graphs...and it never saw the light of day. outside of a small segment of the population, nobody EVER calls the big politicians out on their blatant lies. that's just how it goes.


No, it saw the light of day. The problem was that the Romney campaign was gambling that they could run a victorious campaign without giving a shiat about getting called out because they thought they had enough true believers who pathologically resisted any attempt at education to elect them anyway. It was being called a 'post-truth campaign'. They simply lost that bet.
 
2013-02-27 03:30:07 PM
You blog sucks.
 
2013-02-27 03:33:09 PM

Nabb1: Yeah, just like it was f*cked up until the last minute of the debt ceiling crisis, and up to the last minute of the "fiscal cliff" and up until the last minute of the sequester crisis,


These are all the same problem, just needlessly pushed back each time.
 
2013-02-27 03:33:14 PM
Elzar:  why aren't you making Boehner force his hand? Who has the true power in Washington?

The Legislative Branch. That's why its addressed so extensively in Article 1 of the COTUS. The Legislative Branch. Less popular than head lice, if I understand recent polls correctly.
 
2013-02-27 03:35:18 PM

Elzar: If you libs thinking people are so concerned about the sequester, why aren't you making Boehner force his hand? Who has the true power in Washington? Who isn't leading by example from the White House?

 
2013-02-27 03:35:18 PM
No matter if these childish pricks figure it out or not, I'll be so glad when Friday has finally come and gone.
 
2013-02-27 03:36:40 PM
By refusing to act Boehner is revealing the hypocrisy behind his tough, but empty words. House Republicans have not only embraced the sequester, they are actively working to make sure that it isn't avoided.

Yet right wing shills believe it is Farbama's fault......
 
2013-02-27 03:37:22 PM

Elzar: If you libs are so concerned about the sequester, why aren't you making Boehner force his hand? Who has the true power in Washington? Who isn't leading by example from the White House?


I'm really impressed you get so many bites.  You need to run with this character.  You could be the next skinnyhead!
 
2013-02-27 03:38:11 PM
John Boehner is so concerned about sequestration getting Tea Partied in the primaries and losing his cushy job that he won't allow a vote on a bill which would stop it
 
2013-02-27 03:38:20 PM
Shouldn't he make an effort to solve his own idea/problem?

blogs.e-rockford.com
 
2013-02-27 03:38:42 PM
I thought Boehner was waiting for the Senate to get off its ass before he let the House do anything. Of course, that means Boehner totally failed his HS Civics class, where they were talking about which house of Congress enacts spending bills, but who cares? Plus, the media loves this trumped up controversy; it means more people tune in to watch CNN/Fox/ABC/CBS/NBC news, and listen to reporters talk about how hundreds of thousands of people will lose their jobs, airports will have to shut down, defense spending will drop to the level of Andorra's, etc, etc.

/IOW, it's good business
//it's all about good business
 
2013-02-27 03:39:05 PM

amiable: Elzar: If you libs are so concerned about the sequester, why aren't you making Boehner force his hand? Who has the true power in Washington? Who isn't leading by example from the White House?

I'm really impressed you get so many bites.  You need to run with this character.  You could be the next skinnyhead!


The problem is, eventually every good troll turns to the dark side. It's like working in an infectious diseases lab. At first, your intentions are good. Then you drop a vial and your lungs explode and your dick falls off.
 
2013-02-27 03:40:04 PM

Elzar: If you libs are so concerned about the sequester, why aren't you making Boehner force his hand?


Because they dont want to see him cry.

dailyagenda.org
 
2013-02-27 03:40:16 PM

Elzar: If you libs are so concerned about the sequester, why aren't you making Boehner force his hand? Who has the true power in Washington? Who isn't leading by example from the White House?


I don't know if you've been following politics for long, but the minute the president does ANYTHING without going through Congress he's labeled a dictator. Budgets and bills like this go through The House. Demanding that someone "lead by example" while simultaneously opposing each and every thing he does is idiocy.
 
2013-02-27 03:40:25 PM

Citrate1007: By refusing to act Boehner is revealing the hypocrisy behind his tough, but empty words. House Republicans have not only embraced the sequester, they are actively working to make sure that it isn't avoided.

Yet right wing shills believe it is Farbama's fault......


the current GOP explanation for that is anyone who points out the flaws in the Republican plan is a 'low information voter'.  see, you only THINK you've spotted flaws, but if you only understood Republican thinking then you'd know that what seems to be stupid is in reality sheer genius.  it's all part of the plan.

or so the GOP spin machine would have you believe.  the Republicans are just stupid irresponsible children and are so convinced of their inherent superiority that they're going to be smugly congratulating each other as they drive the country over a cliff.
 
2013-02-27 03:41:01 PM

Lionel Mandrake: If your own damn party is bent on throwing a wrench into the House gears....who would want that kind of "leadership" position?


For ~$180k/year, I'll happily work under those conditions.

No matter how little I accomplish, the mere facts of my situation are the best shield a guy could have - the next guy is far worse (Cantor), my party is fractured (so 40-60% of them will approve of me regardless), a default of "doing nothing" wins me points (for obstructing the Muslim Usurper), and I get to lie with impunity in front of a national audience every day (and if anyone calls me on it, they're part of the "liberal media" anyway).

// plus I already live in DC
 
2013-02-27 03:41:30 PM

Nabb1: Weaver95: the country is basically f*cked.

Yeah, just like it was f*cked up until the last minute of the debt ceiling crisis, and up to the last minute of the "fiscal cliff" and up until the last minute of the sequester crisis, when they yet again do something that will just delay us until the next manufactured crisis a few months from now.  I'm beginning to put as much stock in these gloom-and-doom prophecies from Washington as I was in the Mayan apocalypse.


Each of these is the same GOP leadership pulling the same Party above Country bullshiat because the people want changes that go against what they've promised their $upporters
 
2013-02-27 03:42:07 PM

Ambivalence: DamnYankees: What the odds Boehner keeps his speakership until the midterms? How about 2016?

I'm actually rather surprised he kept it this long.


Nobody else wants it. Why would they?
 
2013-02-27 03:42:19 PM
I'm tired of this petty bickering. Obama and Boehner won't back down. Pretty soon we'll have financial markets free falling, a breakdown of our military readiness, and poverty programs cut. You don't know how it feels to be a Federal employee, waiting to see if you'll be paid next month or not.
 
2013-02-27 03:42:20 PM
Never has a better example of "craven" been seen before the Republican side of the 112th United States Congress.
 
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