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2013-02-27 11:23:56 AM
Thick like Kevlar?
 
2013-02-27 11:24:27 AM
Did he put bullseyes on their faces on a website or something....?
 
2013-02-27 11:25:54 AM
I'm pretty sure the death threats against the representative and her family is what constituted a crime.
 
2013-02-27 11:27:37 AM
"Hopefully somebody Gifords both of your asses with a gun,"

"The First Amendment gives a wide berth to political speech,"


Stay classy...
 
2013-02-27 11:28:49 AM

coeyagi: Did he put bullseyes on their faces on a website or something....?


Nice backreference, but no, he called her the N-word and the C-word, and said many people would die when he killed her.   "I keep my 30 Round Magazines There Will Be Blood! I'm Coming For You!," according to an affidavit supporting his arrest.  The letter also mentioned Fields' daughter and said: "Death to Both."  "Hopefully somebody Gifords both of your asses with a gun...."

Fields' son was murdered in 2005 just before he was to testify against a gang member, so she's got some experience with this kind of terrorism.

But yeah, First Amendment, right?
 
2013-02-27 11:30:17 AM
But it's just words. Just like this sentence is just letters with no context or intent, obviously.
 
2013-02-27 11:30:27 AM
Examples of free speech:
"Get government out of my medicare!"
"Descent is the highest form of patriotic!"
"Go back to Kenya!"

Examples of not free speech:
"I am going to kill you."
" I want you dead."
 
2013-02-27 11:31:22 AM
While I agree with that arguement, death threats are a big nono.  String him up by his toes.
 
2013-02-27 11:33:16 AM
Republicans are clueless about what the First Amendment actually is, aren't they?

/Then again, they're clueless about everything, so...
//I actually felt bad for assuming this guy was a Republican before reading TFA, but guess the fark what.
 
2013-02-27 11:35:37 AM
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

I would think freaking DEATH THREATS go beyond "petitioning the Government for a redress of grievances," but I'm not a high-falutin' law-talking guy.
 
2013-02-27 11:36:21 AM

Lord_Baull: "I am going to kill you."


Well then let's lock up pretty much every competitive athlete and flippant 11 yr old. While I agree that this is one of those times where that fits, the most important is context, not simply the words used.
 
2013-02-27 11:36:31 AM

Lord_Baull: Examples of free speech:
"Get government out of my medicare!"
"Descent is the highest form of patriotic!"
"Go back to Kenya!"

Examples of not free speech:
"I am going to kill you."
" I want you dead."


You are incorrect on the last one.  Wishing someone dead IS free speech.  Please see Rankin v. McPherson, 483 U.S. 378; 107 S.Ct. 2891 (1987).
 
2013-02-27 11:38:41 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Republicans are clueless about what the First Amendment actually is, aren't they?

/Then again, they're clueless about everything, so...
//I actually felt bad for assuming this guy was a Republican before reading TFA, but guess the fark what.


Out of curiosity, how did you find the political afiliation of Siddhartha Rathod and Qusair Mohamedbhai?
 
2013-02-27 11:38:45 AM

midigod: coeyagi: Did he put bullseyes on their faces on a website or something....?

Nice backreference, but no, he called her the N-word and the C-word, and said many people would die when he killed her.   "I keep my 30 Round Magazines There Will Be Blood! I'm Coming For You!," according to an affidavit supporting his arrest.  The letter also mentioned Fields' daughter and said: "Death to Both."  "Hopefully somebody Gifords both of your asses with a gun...."

Fields' son was murdered in 2005 just before he was to testify against a gang member, so she's got some experience with this kind of terrorism.

But yeah, First Amendment, right?


No, I was just being snarky.  Lock him up and throw away the key.
 
2013-02-27 11:39:01 AM
I wonder if the judge have a "WTF" look on their face when this argument was presented?

Something like this


i457.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-27 11:39:51 AM

vsavatar: Lord_Baull: Examples of free speech:
"Get government out of my medicare!"
"Descent is the highest form of patriotic!"
"Go back to Kenya!"

Examples of not free speech:
"I am going to kill you."
" I want you dead."

You are incorrect on the last one.  Wishing someone dead IS free speech.  Please see Rankin v. McPherson, 483 U.S. 378; 107 S.Ct. 2891 (1987).


Yeah, pretty sure I've been told to die in a fire by any number of you.
 
2013-02-27 11:42:11 AM
Racist, misogynistic, threatening to kill her and her daughter.

Good guy gun owner!
 
2013-02-27 11:45:12 AM

MichiganFTL: Lord_Baull: "I am going to kill you."

Well then let's lock up pretty much every competitive athlete and flippant 11 yr old. While I agree that this is one of those times where that fits, the most important is context, not simply the words used.


I know! Right? I mean, if I send you a bunch of racially and sexually demeaning Emails and follow that with a letter in the snail mail stating that I'm going to kill you and your family, that's JUST like some flippant 11 year old or somebody on the ball field.

Stupid lawyers, ruining this place I tell ya.
 
2013-02-27 11:45:45 AM
Hire a new lawyer, buddy, you're not walking away from this. He should be figuring out how to convince a judge to keep your retard ass out of jail with a plea.
 
2013-02-27 11:47:31 AM
I find it funny that a white, pro-gun, anti-government Tea Party-type like this dude has attorneys named Siddhartha Rathod and Qusair Mohamedbhai.
 
2013-02-27 11:47:34 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Hire a new lawyer, buddy, you're not walking away from this. He should be figuring out how to convince a judge to keep your retard ass out of jail with a plea.


Yeah, I'm sure His Honor, the "elected official," has no problem getting emails like those from dimwits.
 
2013-02-27 11:48:34 AM

Trivia Jockey: I find it funny that a white, pro-gun, anti-government Tea Party-type like this dude has attorneys named Siddhartha Rathod and Qusair Mohamedbhai.


Any port in a storm.
 
2013-02-27 11:50:03 AM
He's a lawyer, he HAS to make the best argument he can for his client.  And this (for whatever it's worth) is probably the best argument available.  It is bogus. It is bullshiat, but what else is left?
 
2013-02-27 11:55:24 AM

Trivia Jockey: I find it funny that a white, pro-gun, anti-government Tea Party-type like this dude has attorneys named Siddhartha Rathod and Qusair Mohamedbhai.


They're the "good minorities".
 
2013-02-27 11:57:37 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

Something something shouting "fire" in a crowded theater.
 
2013-02-27 11:59:39 AM

MichiganFTL: Lord_Baull: "I am going to kill you."

Well then let's lock up pretty much every competitive athlete and flippant 11 yr old. While I agree that this is one of those times where that fits, the most important is context, not simply the words used.



What kind of competitive atheletes do you hang around?
 
2013-02-27 12:01:11 PM
Does he know he doesn't even get to keep a 30 round, 10 round or 1 round magazine in prison?

I hope he is found guilty of a felony and can't own any gun for the rest of his life.
 
2013-02-27 12:01:20 PM

ITGreen: vsavatar: Lord_Baull: Examples of free speech:
"Get government out of my medicare!"
"Descent is the highest form of patriotic!"
"Go back to Kenya!"

Examples of not free speech:
"I am going to kill you."
" I want you dead."

You are incorrect on the last one.  Wishing someone dead IS free speech.  Please see Rankin v. McPherson, 483 U.S. 378; 107 S.Ct. 2891 (1987).

Yeah, pretty sure I've been told to die in a fire by any number of you.



Telling someone to go jump in the lake is not the same thing as saying I am going to drown you in a lake.
 
2013-02-27 12:02:03 PM
He should try a "satire" argument.  Worked for Rush.
 
2013-02-27 12:03:53 PM

mrshowrules: Does he know he doesn't even get to keep a 30 round, 10 round or 1 round magazine in prison?

I hope he is found guilty of a felony and can't own any gun for the rest of his life.


I think he can keep them... at least in storage while in jail.  Upon release he would have full access to the magazines.... though not be able to have anything to use them with.
 
2013-02-27 12:04:44 PM

MichiganFTL: Lord_Baull: "I am going to kill you."

Well then let's lock up pretty much every competitive athlete and flippant 11 yr old. While I agree that this is one of those times where that fits, the most important is context, not simply the words used.


True.  Over and above the threatening language, mentioning the daughter's name considering this woman already has a murdered son.  Holy shiat, I hope he gets locked up for a good while so he can think about how much of an asshole he is.  Plus, this is exactly the type of person who should not be allowed to own any gun ever.
 
2013-02-27 12:05:47 PM

Lord_Baull: ITGreen: vsavatar: Lord_Baull: Examples of free speech:
"Get government out of my medicare!"
"Descent is the highest form of patriotic!"
"Go back to Kenya!"

Examples of not free speech:
"I am going to kill you."
" I want you dead."

You are incorrect on the last one.  Wishing someone dead IS free speech.  Please see Rankin v. McPherson, 483 U.S. 378; 107 S.Ct. 2891 (1987).

Yeah, pretty sure I've been told to die in a fire by any number of you.


Telling someone to go jump in the lake is not the same thing as saying I am going to drown you in a lake.


There's an implied value of wishing someone dead when you ask them to die in a fire, isn't there?
 
2013-02-27 12:06:25 PM

Ambivalence: He's a lawyer, he HAS to make the best argument he can for his client.  And this (for whatever it's worth) is probably the best argument available.  It is bogus. It is bullshiat, but what else is left?


I would have went with a mental-illness (PTSD) defense but the client has to agree which maybe he didn't.
 
2013-02-27 12:07:26 PM

Ambivalence: He's a lawyer, he HAS to make the best argument he can for his client.  And this (for whatever it's worth) is probably the best argument available.  It is bogus. It is bullshiat, but what else is left?


Pretty much this. The guy is entitled to the best defense, and given the circumstances, that defense is pretty much all he's got.

/I said "pretty  much" twice
//I like "pretty much"
 
2013-02-27 12:09:00 PM

mrshowrules: Ambivalence: He's a lawyer, he HAS to make the best argument he can for his client.  And this (for whatever it's worth) is probably the best argument available.  It is bogus. It is bullshiat, but what else is left?

I would have went with a mental-illness (PTSD) defense but the client has to agree which maybe he didn't.


Hell, everyone else would.

Plus, doesn't the knowledge of one's own delusional psychosis nullify it, in some rudimentary way?
 
2013-02-27 12:10:05 PM

God's Hubris: MichiganFTL: Lord_Baull: "I am going to kill you."

Well then let's lock up pretty much every competitive athlete and flippant 11 yr old. While I agree that this is one of those times where that fits, the most important is context, not simply the words used.


What kind of competitive atheletes do you hang around?


www.setcelebs.com


static.guim.co.uk

/Unavailable for comment.
 
2013-02-27 12:10:56 PM

Ambivalence: He's a lawyer, he HAS to make the best argument he can for his client.  And this (for whatever it's worth) is probably the best argument available.  It is bogus. It is bullshiat, but what else is left?


Exactly. Sometimes you've just got to make a noise like a lawyer. If the law's on your side, pound on the law; if the facts are on your side, pound on the facts; if neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound on the table.

HotWingConspiracy: Hire a new lawyer, buddy, you're not walking away from this. He should be figuring out how to convince a judge to keep your retard ass out of jail with a plea.


Don't think for a moment that there aren't intense plea negotiations underway between the prosecutor and the defense counsel. The judge has nothing to do with that, though, until it comes time to approve a plea negotiated by the parties.
 
2013-02-27 12:11:18 PM
How does this reconcile with that guy in Colorado who objected to something that Dick Cheney said and ended up arrested for it?
 
2013-02-27 12:13:29 PM

ITGreen: mrshowrules: Ambivalence: He's a lawyer, he HAS to make the best argument he can for his client.  And this (for whatever it's worth) is probably the best argument available.  It is bogus. It is bullshiat, but what else is left?

I would have went with a mental-illness (PTSD) defense but the client has to agree which maybe he didn't.

Hell, everyone else would.

Plus, doesn't the knowledge of one's own delusional psychosis nullify it, in some rudimentary way?


Nope. I've had multiple clients with schizophrenia (for example) that were aware of it but still so adversely affected by it they couldn't function.
 
2013-02-27 12:14:06 PM

Lord_Baull: ITGreen: vsavatar: Lord_Baull: Examples of free speech:
"Get government out of my medicare!"
"Descent is the highest form of patriotic!"
"Go back to Kenya!"

Examples of not free speech:
"I am going to kill you."
" I want you dead."

You are incorrect on the last one.  Wishing someone dead IS free speech.  Please see Rankin v. McPherson, 483 U.S. 378; 107 S.Ct. 2891 (1987).

Yeah, pretty sure I've been told to die in a fire by any number of you.


Telling someone to go jump in the lake is not the same thing as saying I am going to drown you in a lake.


No, but telling someone to die in a fire is the same as telling someone "I want you dead".
 
2013-02-27 12:17:17 PM

AntiNerd: How does this reconcile with that guy in Colorado who objected to something that Dick Cheney said and ended up arrested for it?


That was for the defendant's own good - they took him into protective custody so he wouldn't get shot in the face.
 
2013-02-27 12:17:50 PM

Solon Isonomia: ITGreen: mrshowrules: Ambivalence: He's a lawyer, he HAS to make the best argument he can for his client.  And this (for whatever it's worth) is probably the best argument available.  It is bogus. It is bullshiat, but what else is left?

I would have went with a mental-illness (PTSD) defense but the client has to agree which maybe he didn't.

Hell, everyone else would.

Plus, doesn't the knowledge of one's own delusional psychosis nullify it, in some rudimentary way?

Nope. I've had multiple clients with schizophrenia (for example) that were aware of it but still so adversely affected by it they couldn't function.


My knowledge of the law is as extensive as my knowledge of mental health.
 
2013-02-27 12:25:48 PM

vsavatar: No, but telling someone to die in a fire is the same as telling someone "I want you dead".


Except "Die in a fire" is a phrase used as an insult/put down (around here anyway), and is therefore unlikely to be reasonably taken to be meant literally, let alone as a threat to do something about it. There is no such case with "I want you dead" that I know about.
 
2013-02-27 12:28:54 PM

xria: vsavatar: No, but telling someone to die in a fire is the same as telling someone "I want you dead".

Except "Die in a fire" is a phrase used as an insult/put down (around here anyway), and is therefore unlikely to be reasonably taken to be meant literally, let alone as a threat to do something about it. There is no such case with "I want you dead" that I know about.


Yeah, and around here we have a certain degree of anonymity and privacy protection.  If I were to track down your work phone number, call it, and say half of the shiat we say to one another around here, I'd find myself facing charges pretty quickly.
 
2013-02-27 12:31:45 PM

ITGreen: xria: vsavatar: No, but telling someone to die in a fire is the same as telling someone "I want you dead".

Except "Die in a fire" is a phrase used as an insult/put down (around here anyway), and is therefore unlikely to be reasonably taken to be meant literally, let alone as a threat to do something about it. There is no such case with "I want you dead" that I know about.

Yeah, and around here we have a certain degree of anonymity and privacy protection.  If I were to track down your work phone number, call it, and say half of the shiat we say to one another around here, I'd find myself facing charges pretty quickly.


Are you saying rape rape jokes are frowned upon in the workplace?
 
2013-02-27 12:32:49 PM

mrshowrules: ITGreen: xria: vsavatar: No, but telling someone to die in a fire is the same as telling someone "I want you dead".

Except "Die in a fire" is a phrase used as an insult/put down (around here anyway), and is therefore unlikely to be reasonably taken to be meant literally, let alone as a threat to do something about it. There is no such case with "I want you dead" that I know about.

Yeah, and around here we have a certain degree of anonymity and privacy protection.  If I were to track down your work phone number, call it, and say half of the shiat we say to one another around here, I'd find myself facing charges pretty quickly.

Are you saying rape rape jokes are frowned upon in the workplace?


Yes.  I'm bold like that.
 
2013-02-27 12:35:33 PM

xria: vsavatar: No, but telling someone to die in a fire is the same as telling someone "I want you dead".

Except "Die in a fire" is a phrase used as an insult/put down (around here anyway), and is therefore unlikely to be reasonably taken to be meant literally, let alone as a threat to do something about it. There is no such case with "I want you dead" that I know about.



I was going to say this. Thank you. "Die in a fire" on FARK has the same relevancy to death threats that "Suck on a bag of dicks" does.
CONTEXT!
 
2013-02-27 12:37:44 PM

Lord_Baull: xria: vsavatar: No, but telling someone to die in a fire is the same as telling someone "I want you dead".

Except "Die in a fire" is a phrase used as an insult/put down (around here anyway), and is therefore unlikely to be reasonably taken to be meant literally, let alone as a threat to do something about it. There is no such case with "I want you dead" that I know about.


I was going to say this. Thank you. "Die in a fire" on FARK has the same relevancy to death threats that "Suck on a bag of dicks" does.
CONTEXT!


I have the feeling someone's arguing in this thread, but I don't know who, with whom, or about what.

Round two.
 
2013-02-27 12:43:15 PM
It's possible, however unlikely on FARK, that a discussion can exist without an "argument."
 
2013-02-27 12:43:57 PM

Lord_Baull: It's possible, however unlikely on FARK, that a discussion can exist without an "argument."


That's not true at all!
 
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